Independent Report Vindicates AG Holder in "Fast and Furious"
If you think Holder is innocent, could I interest you in a large orange bridge that spans San Francisco Bay?
Howdy Longhunter. Nice to chat with you again.
Unfortunately, I can’t use a bridge right now but thanks for the offer. However, since you think AG Holder is not innocent, and you impertinently accuse President Obama of lying, I invite you to post your factual evidence here in this thread. If you think the Justice Department’s report from Inspector General Michael Horowitz is wrong, all you need do is stifle the bravado and simply present your facts. I promise that you will have our full attention.
Looking forward to your evidence.
Since when have conservatives accepted independent findings or facts?
Much more than any Liberal ever gave thought to, I'm sure.
Okay, Josak, it's you turn in this little pissing contest.
Someone at the DNC must have said it was time for the liberal gun talking points. Key words:
"NRA"
"Gun Shows"
"gun dealers"
"drug cartels"
"drug gangs"Aaaah, your delusions never cease to amaze, Chip.
Obama is done and the sad part is you can't see it.
Come Sunday, January 20, 2013, I'll be taking my family to church, sending up a prayer, thanking God for Barack Hussein Obama's removal from office. Then I'm going to have a little celebration at my house where we'll pop some corks and toast his departure from the White House, into the bowels of history where he belongs. None too soon, I might add.
"Obama's second term" That's a good one, Chippy!!!!
- The Longhunterposted 12 years ago
0I think what Wayne said below says it well. If you think Obama or Holder didn't know, that speaks volumes about you. Same goes for Ralph and Quill.
I didn't say I hate Obama, Chip. I said I have a "complete and utter distrust and dislike for Barack Hussein Obama." I don't "hate" liberals, either. Hate is a cancer that can eat someone up, much like a liberal's hate for Bush.
I do think a person would have to be a damn fool to believe anything Obama says. That should sum it up nicely, Chip.
Hey there, Long! I have enjoyed reading your comments and I accept the fact that you disagree with the findings of Inspector General Horowitz. You admit you haven’t a single sound, factual, or rational reason for doing so. If you read the report, you might learn something about the issue you didn’t know before. However, like you said, you would rather rely on your “gut feeling” then on your intellect. Based upon your comments in this thread, I would say that is the better choice.
Meanwhile, as you seem content with your internal bias and unsupported opinions, the country will be examining the facts about AG Holder’s complicity in Fast & Furious, as they become public. Don’t be surprised if you are among the last to know the truth.
Keep asking questions, Long, and keep searching for answers. Just don’t convince yourself you already know everything there is to know.
Have a good day.No, Quill, I don't have the evidence but other than that, my opinion of what he's doing to this country is sound and rational. When Dems disagree with me I feel even more confident in my "gut feeling" as well as my intellectual opinion of the person you call president. I don't trust Obama. Perhaps if you've ever distrusted someone, you'll understand. And, since the feeling in "my gut" has saved my life more than a few times, I'll stick with it over your opinion of me any day.
Let me explain it simply, Quill. I question not only a liberal's intellect but their patriotism when they say they support Barack Hussein Obama. Unfortunately, it's come to that. I question the patriotism of anyone that thinks what Barack Hussein Obama is doing to this country is constitutionally right and just.
I've read some of your stuff and comments and, while I disagreed with you on most things, I respected you. I figured you were just some old guy filling your day with something other than puttering around your house. Unfortunately, my opinion of you has changed and not for the better, for what it's worth. I know you won't care what I think about you, Quill, and I can assure you my opinion of liberals is far lower and falling. You've contributed to that and I thank you. I can also assure you your opinion of me means even less.
So you know, Quill, your flowery BS doesn't hide the fact you're slipping in a veiled insult. Mine aren't as veiled.
Have a good evening, Quill.Thread summarized: Independent body with the actual facts finds Holder did nothing wrong.
Then conservatives ignore the facts and tell us how it really is
Having done some successful detective work and research in the past, I'm perfect capable of looking at the evidence and deciding for myself. But, my "gut feeling" has also saved my life more than a few times so I listen to "it" and go with "it" if necessary.
To that end, you and others on here are just going to have to accept the fact my "gut feeling" tells me Barack Hussein Obama and Eric Holder are two of the biggest damn liars in the history of American politics. Which is horrible when you consider we've had people like Nixon and Clinton as president.
Unlike some liberal Dems, I'm not willing to march "lock step," as JS puts it below, to the every whim of your beloved leader.
Also, we all know, if the tables were turned and this were a Republican, you and all the other blind followers of Barack Hussein Obama would be screaming your heads off. The problem is you liberals don't like it when we Conservatives call all of you on it.
Again, my impression of you was you're smarter than that, Josak. Perhaps I was wrong in my impression that people like you, Ralph, Chip, and Quill were men who could think for yourselves and not walk "lock step" behind Barack Hussein Obama. Was I wrong, gentlemen?
Hello again, Long.
I apologize if my remarks, limited strictly to the findings in IG Horowitz’s report, sounded overly critical and harsh.
I suppose, at one time or another, we have all heard the one-liner, “Please don’t confuse me with the facts, my mind is already made up!” However, never before have I met someone who actually defended this type of thinking as a good way to arrive at a crucial conclusion. I can not imagine going through life believing sound and reliable political choices can be achieved by abandoning critical thinking, relying on gut feelings, or ignoring details and facts.
I am sorry my remarks triggered such an emotional reaction.If I thought for one minute your apology was sincere, I'd accept it. Since I know it's not, I don't. Save your flowery insults and meaningless apologies for others, Quill.
It's funny how you and other libs/progressives/Dems are so eager to accept the finding when it's your guy in the WH, no questions asked. I have no doubt, if it were a Republican in the WH, you'd at least have some skepticism of it's findings. Since it's Eric Holder and Barack Hussein Obama, you're all for accepting the review at face value and getting the whole mess swept under a big rug.
I trust very little that comes out D.C. from either side of the isle, Quill, and nothing from the words of a Liberal. Your willingness to accept this at face value speaks volumes of your double standard political thinking.
Every single progressive on HP lives by this and this forum is a textbook example.AMEN, JS!!! AMEN!!!!!!!!
Evan, according to Josak, the things you're describing only happen when a Republican is in the White House. Then it's a conspiracy.
When their guy is caught, it's just the way of politics.
"Turn away, folks. There's nothing to see here."
And because it's your guy in the WH, you believe everything in an independent report in an election year. The word gullible comes to mind.
Either that or one hell of a double standard since we Conservatives know you liberals would be screaming your heads off, refusing to believe the independent findings, if it were a Republican in office.
Perhaps it's both, Chip, with a large measure of a "lock step," blind faith in a man who can't find his own ass with both hands and a map.
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