Michigan happens to be a gun lovin' state as well. I tend to think we might have a few white dots when we were finished...maybe.
Finished with coloring in the map. No need to read radical attitudes into my simple statement.
I was really just answering habee's question, not supporting one side or the other. Have a great day!
You could never do a map like that for WV. All our houses have wheels on them. Therefore, our map would have to be animated at the very least.
According to the Missouri Statistical Analysis Center, in 2011, a violent crime was committed every 19.6 seconds and 385 murders were reported that year. Missouri does recognize gun permits from the following states: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia, Wisconsin, Wyoming. This link shows state reciprocity of the concealed carry law: http://ago.mo.gov/Concealed-Weapons/
Unfortunately that's why Georgia is ranked the 10th worst state in the United States, as related to gun violence, as of April 3, 2013. Seems anymore we have one or two shootings a week here!
And who is doing all that shooting? My guess is that it mirrors the rest of the US, where less than 4% of the population (young back males) commit over 50% of all gun murders.
In the US, nearly 3 out of 4 gun homicides are committed by young, black or Hispanic males, and their victims are also young, black or Hispanic males. If you are white, don't live in the inner city, are not a criminal, not a brave police officer, and don't use illicit drugs, your chances of being shot are near zero!
With overall gun crime plummeting, we don't have a gun problem...we have a race problem, and we need to address it ASAP!
But doesn't D.C. have the highest per capita murders in the nation, even though it has the strictest gun laws?
Habee, it's the same story all over. The homicide rates are high in urban areas. Gun homicides in urban areas are 80%+ gang on gang, drug on drug.
The raw homicide stats make it sound like 15 of your average joes per 100,000 in these city centers are killed every year, but it's really not the case.
If we didn't count drug on drug and gang on gang violence, our homicide rate would be close to Switzerland's.
True. When we have a shooting around here, it usually involves drugs. I'm talking "serious" drugs - not pot. We seem to have a real problem with meth in this area.
Meth is a real problem just about everywhere. I have seen friends of mine become sick individuals from using that crap.
Man O' Man! This is a HOT Topic. Michigan is a moderate state for guns. However, we do have authority to carry a gun strapped to our hip in a department store; dumb, but that's another topic.
I can't imagine our fore-fathers seeing everyone wanting, or carrying, an AR-15 with a 30+ ammo clip, or an RPG on their shoulder for that matter, when the original "Right to Bear Arms" was thought up.
It's a good "Right", but as with everything else, it's spun way out of control. It's amazing the damage a few sabre rattlers and loud drum bangers can do.
Just some thoughts.
I have never seen anyone in the United Sates carrying an RPG, and just for accuracy an AR-15 does not accept a clip.
It has been my sad experience to note that most anti-Second Amendment people don't know the first thing about the topic, including firearms.
OOPS. My error. I didn't mention 'Bushmaster' AR15. They can use a high capacity clip. And as for the RPG. That was stretching it a bit. I'll be more careful next time.
No, you're using incorrect terminology. AR 15s use magazines. A 30-round magazine is standard capacity.
OOPS again. It doesn't really matter what it's called; unless you're buying some of course. The whole point is that self protection has kind of gotten out of hand. I don't really see the need for a 30 round "Clip/Magazine" to protect your home and family in this country.
And thanks for the correction.
It really does matter. The gun debate is saturated with false information. How do you expect to have a conversation about a topic when half of the people don't know anything about the topic?
I guess for us it doesn't matter what you see or don't see.
Howdy, Lie Detector.
Please excuse my ignorance. Guns do not turn me on. However, suppose 2bealive had said “ 100 round magazine” instead of “30+ ammo clip,” would your answer be the same?
"The AR-Stoner 100-Round drum magazine is the ultimate shooting accessory for your AR-15. Utilizing two drums, the magazine alternates feeding from both sides to create a lower vertical profile and balanced center of gravity." http://www.midwayusa.com/product/528357 … ymer-black
I agree! It's turned into a game of telephone and fear! Fear of the government and personal interpretation of fore-fathers! Brainwashed by the NRA.
Great topic. I live in Nebraska which is the center of the Heartland of America. Everyone here has a weapon or two or three. So I guess that means Nebraska would be all red too. We use our weapons to keep cattle safe from predators, keep us safe from predators (we have many many mt. lions and bobcat)not to mention just about everyone hunts deer, turkey, quail, pheasant, duck, geese and the list goes on. Sometimes the ranchers just have to put a cow down. They are used for self protection and self survival for extra meat during the winter months. It's only in the city - Omaha - that you hear of gang bang shootings. In the country where I live, that just doesn't happen.
Pretty much the same here. Three of my best friends, all liberal Dems, each owns several firearms. Two of them have carry permits, and they're not native southerners - they're transplants from Indiana. The "gun culture" isn't restricted to the South and Alaska.
This is an interesting article about guns, race, and gun suicides:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/featur … n-america/
Gun deaths per 100,000 (by state):
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_mu … er-100-000
D.C. leads the pack. GA is #16.
Im not sure who these folks are, but apparently to follow are their findings.
http://www.americanprogress.org/press/r … -analysis/
I think it's interesting that when a "gun state" subject comes up -- Texas is the first state everyone thinks of. Yep, we're a gun state! We also support the death penalty for those who think guns are to be used indescriminately and with abandon. Do all of Texas' citizens agree on those two things? No -- and probably never will -- just like everywhere else -- BUT the majority of us do and so it is. In a conversation with a couple of friends this week the gun subject came up and also the fact that the little central Texas town where we live (population 3,500) has a zero crime rate. We all agreed on the old saying "an armed society is a polite society." Texas has the dubious reputation of being of a "wild west -- shoot-'em-up" mentality when nothing could be farther from the truth. Like everywhere else, most of our gun crime happens in larger, metropolitan areas and the guns used in the commission of crimes there are usually not on any list of weapons -- and won't be no matter what new laws are passed -- criminals don't register guns!
I don't really know however on the day when good American citizens are not supposed to be shooting these guns up in the air on New Year's there is an awful lot of gunfire going on for a lengthy period of time.
Since we can't obey the law when we have no reason to violated how then are we going to be responsible gun owners in a time of crisis.
Since we can't obey the laws (and common sense) on not texting while driving, how are we going to responsible cell phone owners?
Since we can't obey the laws on speeding (and creating that crisis ourselves), how are we going to be responsible owners of an automobile capable of over 70 MPH?
How much do we take away from responsible people because some will never be responsible?
"I don't really know however on the day when good American citizens are not supposed to be shooting these guns up in the air on New Year's there is an awful lot of gunfire going on for a lengthy period of time."
That's big here in Arizona, although it's very illegal. It's a Mexican tradition on New Year's Eve, and we have a lot of Mexican-Americans. When arrests are made for shooting in the air, the names are usually Latino.
The law is called Shannon's law, after Shannon Smith, a 14 year old Phoenix girl, was killed by a stray bullet fired in the air. Her killer was never found.
You make so many of these comments and I sincerely don't understand it.
Comments where you lay the blame at some racial group's door on some issue like that is an answer. The subject was people firing guns into the air, you then felt it necessary to inform us that it's Latino's who do this, that is utterly irrelevant to the conversation which begs the obvious question. Why would you even say it?
There is nary a hispanic to be found in my town... There is also only one black person.
There are still plenty of guns going off on new year's eve.
I know it's not the only black person firing all those guns. Cause he's generally sitting in my living room.
Most fireworks are illegal in GA, but a lot of folks shoot them on July 4th and New Year's Eve. I think most of the culprits are US citizens. Those dang Americans!
"Why would you even say it?"
Because it's true.
I understand your position that it is not politically correct to point out that the celebratory shooting of guns in the air is a Mexican tradition, and that it's a major problem here in the Southwest, but I do not subscribe to political correctness.
I guess you'll just have to live with it.
Did you know that white southern males are the most likely group (in several states over 40%) to want interracial marriage banned? That's true, but also irrelevant, just like your comment.
The only purpose therefore of making that statement is to incur a racial bias, something I have seen you do at least twice before that I remember. Whether you don't know the damage it does or not I really don't care.
Therefore I am going to call you a racist, you know, because it's true even if it's not "PC" to say.
You'll just have to live with it, feel fee to whine about how the evil liberal is persecuting you and insert something about Obama being black and all his critics being called racist.
I live in Arizona too. You'll find that some of the socialists and liberals here at HubPages just don't understand Arizona.
"Most fireworks are illegal in GA, but a lot of folks shoot them on July 4th and New Year's Eve. I think most of the culprits are US citizens. Those dang Americans!"
Are you seriously equating fireworks with bullets carelessly fired into the air that can kill people miles away?
Thanks for your honesty.
I'm a law abiding gun owner, and I am fed up with being blamed for the acts of others and threatened with losing my rights.
Nearly 70% of all gun murders are committed by less than 20% of the population, and the culprits are young black and Hispanic males. Young black males make up less than 4% of the population, but commit over 50% of all gun murders all by themselves, an astounding fact that the PC media never reports, and guys like Josak use to attack people like me for violating the politically correct code of silence.
I am not about to surrender my rights to keep and bear arms silently. We have a problem with young minorities killing themselves off before they even reach their thirtieth birthdays, and that is a national tragedy that needs to be dealt with, but it is just swept under the rug because unscrupulous politicians want to use those gun crime statistics to disarm all Americans.
It's not a joke.
So the solution would be to only disarm minorities and black males?
I'm a law-abiding gun owner, too. I'm also concerned about black-on-black crime/murder. I've lost a couple of students that way. One of my black male students was beaten to death with a baseball bat by rival gang members. We have a pretty high Hispanic population here, but the violent crime rate for them is very small in our area.
I wish I had a solution, Will. According to the black students I've talked with, they join gangs to be part of a "family" and to make money selling drugs. I think many of them are desperate and feel they have few options. It can be hard to get them out of this mindset. For example, I had a wonderful student years ago who was in a gang at a young age. He was a gifted athlete, and he was always very nice to me. He began playing football in high school, and the coaches and I sort of "took him under our wings," so to speak. He got out of the gang and worked hard on the field and in the classroom. He got a football scholarship and went to college. After just a year, however, he got back into the drug trade and lost his scholarship. I cried when I found out. What a waste of a promising young life...
I live in a rural area of California. I'll bet that most of my neighbors have multiple guns and are not criminals.
We do get a few criminals, but we get even more mountain lions, rattlesnakes and bears.
As far as gun ownership in the US-- the genie is out of the bottle.
There's no way that gun restrictions will deter gun violence. We have a lot of guns and some criminals. More criminals will have more guns, and be more willing to use them if the law says law-abiding citizens should not have them.
And I see Josak has just called me a racist for telling the truth. That's how liberals operate...demonize anyone who tells the truth.
"So the solution would be to only disarm minorities and black males?"
You cannot have a discussion with a liberal without being subjected to name calling and having them put words in your mouth, like Melissa just attempted to do.
The solution is not easy, because the problem is out-of-wedlock childbirth, and a woman alone trying to raise teen males without benefit of a husband in the home. The out of wedlock birthrate among young black women is nearly 75%.
That too is a problem that liberals created by dissing marriage, but they will not address or even admit they promoted.
And yes, Josak, I see you sneering as usual. I suppose that's easier than offering a solution.
I will leave you now, because it's fruitless to try to discuss such issues with name-calling and jeering liberals.
I'm not a liberal. I'm sure Josak would agree.
I doubt many other people would agree. In my experience here on HubPages, you have been exceedingly liberal. Are you a socialist rather than a liberal?
I'm a moderate.
I lean left on social, right on economics. I've been called both conservative and liberal on the boards depending on who I'm arguing with. Generally if I'm debating a liberal I'm a conservative and if I'm debating a conservative I'm a liberal.
Apparently when you disagree with one thing from a platform, it automatically makes you an extremist of the opposite platform.... go figure.
I was called a Libertarian a couple weeks back... that was a first.
BTW, I support abolishing the laws in those cities where an honest black man cannot have a gun to defend himself against the gangsters who terrorize his neighborhood, like Otis McDonald, a personal hero of mine.
The real racists, IMHO, are those who look the other way while all these young, desperate young black males kill each other off. We had a fit when 20 white kids were killed, but that's just an average day for black kids.
So that's your take on it?
That gun violence is caused by unwed black mothers.
Instead of bullets
Good to know.
And the left is being irresponsible because they won't acknowledge social factors as part of gun violence? But the right isn't being irresponsible when they don't acknowledge that guns actually play a role in gun violence?
I keep reading all these reports about spear violence. What are your thoughts on that?
"According to the black students I've talked with, they join gangs to be part of a "family" ..."
Sure, because they essentially don't have one at home with no father and a mom who's trying to survive, so the gang is their family and they will die to protect their 'family'.
We wept when twenty white kids were killed at Sandy Hook, but that many black kids are killed almost every day and we somehow find that acceptable. And anyone who reminds us of the ongoing slaughter is immediately labeled a racist.
Halting the slaughter will require a sea change in attitudes toward parental responsibility and returning to the stable family structure that black America once boasted.
But those who would disarm all Americans use those black on black crime statistics to bolster their arguments against the Second Amendment, never revealing that the slaughter actually involves a very narrow segment of the population. When American gun crime stats are compared to other countries as an argument to disarm Americans, they choose countries that don't have America's minority crime problems. That's a deliberate deception.
So, why do you think so many black-on-black crimes use guns?
I think you are as guilty as the other side of pointing fingers.
Yes there are social issues which need addressed to stop the violence but yes the availability and lethalness of guns also contributes. There aren't many drive-by poisonings or hangings.
Either side would be blind and hypocritical to ignore ALL causes in favor of their own agenda. The truth is all sides of the argument own a slice of the pie, but nothing ever gets done because neither side wants to take their share.
I honestly believe that you cannot point the finger at mothers having babies out of wedlock. You have to realize even if she was married it is that mothers responsibility to nurture that son of her but it is the father that teaches morals and ethics of man to his son. So no I do not place blame on all those mothers that had children out of wedlock cause that still does not speak to cause of gun violence. I know from personal experience that only having mother growing up did not have nothing to with the bad decisions I chose to make. It was me being influenced by my peers and wanting to try something different.
However, we need to look at those opening the door to gun violence by allowing people to smuggle guns in from the military and other places. First, we would have to consider who in the governmental body is behind the scenes calling the shots. After all they were the ones to setup the whole 9/11 fiasco. You have to not only consider the smaller picture but we must look deeper into the bigger picture. Although all things seem normal or average there is a lot behind that distorted vision. Gun violence is a result of those who introduced to those in rural areas but not in auburn areas. Drugs for instances are heavily imported into areas with nothing but people below the poverty lines. How can we explain that without using its there fault? If we are going to continue with blaming those shooting and their parents. What about those people that gave them the guns and the ammo for the guns? The question we have to consider who is the controller of these types of situations?
"However, we need to look at those opening the door to gun violence by allowing people to smuggle guns in from the military and other places. First, we would have to consider who in the governmental body is behind the scenes calling the shots. After all they were the ones to setup the whole 9/11 fiasco."
What on Earth are you talking about?
It was an example that was used to try and pull your attention to different factors. That also plays a major role in gun violence and the sexual revolution. It seems to me that you only see two or three factors out of an entire picture. The bigger picture is that none of this gun violence, and sexual revolution would be taken place if those in power would not have abused their privilege. I am not off topic. I am on topic. I am just looking things from different perspective.
BTW, I'm not blaming single moms or absentee fathers so much as I'm blaming the sexual revolution.
In the past, if you wanted to be intimate with a woman, you committed to her first via the legal contract of marriage so that the woman had the legal protection and support necessary when the product of intimacy, children, came along.
Today, women foolishly give themselves to men with little or no legal protection, and the state then becomes the father and provider. And of course, we taxpayers foot the bill.
I still have no idea what you are talking about.
Are you a conspiracy theorist? If so, I have zero interest in conspiracies.
No, I am just a college student that has been provided with a different perspective of things. I do not just see what you see.
Why so mysterious? Explain your different perspective.
I see links that lead back in time. The lack of jobs and education in those urban areas are a result of what is happening. Who can we hold accountable for this? I suggest that we blame ourselves for allowing the heads of states to abuse privilege. For instance Doug Christie dd nothing for jersey but put us in more debt. The social structures and infrastructure that these rural area people are surrounded by. They receive no other capital but the capital that the ones that they are surrounded by.
How about the way that many of these cities are sectioned off by large highways and bridges . These places are closed off from areas that could ultimately benefit them in ways that could help them realize that what they are doing is wrong and help them formulate a better idea of what they should be doing to make their lives better. For example, these rural area individual could gain larger amounts of human capital, social capital and cultural capital. If they are given more exposure to a different and more refreshed variety of these types of capital could help these individuals create a better understanding of their lives and what they should and should not be doing.
Do you now understand where my perception is going?
Great question -- and yes, Texas will most assuredly show up red! Nearly all persons in rural Texas own guns -- and they rarely wind up being used in crime, etc. Our metropolitan areas are where most gun crime happens which is basically true of any state but as Texans are regularly presented by the press as red neck, gun-totin', uneducated idiots our gun ownership and/or use is often distorted fiction.
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