11 members out of 121 showed for the "friends of Syria" meeting!

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  1. maxoxam41 profile image73
    maxoxam41posted 5 years ago

    It says it all about the international general feeling. Nobody is dupe anymore when it comes to geostrategic evil machinations. We know the criminals. They gathered around the table to salivate on their future gains. The international won't give them the green light, furthermore Paulo Pinheiro, Chairperson of the Commission of Inquiry of the High Commissioner for Human Rights in Syria, stated that Western leaders would be held personally liable for the crimes committed by the "rebels" with such weapons.

    1. Quilligrapher profile image83
      Quilligrapherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Hello, Max. Nice to see you.

      Another failure to acknowledge reality. Paulo Pinheiro DID NOT state "Western leaders would be held personally liable for the crimes committed by the "rebels" with such weapons."

      Here is what he actually said in the press conference held June 21, 2013: "What we say is that delivering arms engages the responsibility of those who deliver the arms because the people who will receive those arms could commit war crimes and gross human rights violations. It is very important to take this into account when arms are being delivered." {1}

      No one should be surprised to find your posts filled with false and misleading information including statements that are almost always anti-USA. Typically, you rarely cite a source so readers are left with the impression there is no source for these lies other than you.

      As usual, the truth is the best defense against the spread of lies. Mr. Pinheiro has no authority to hold any person or government "personally liable for the crimes committed by the "rebels" with such weapons." In fact, Mr. Pinheiro has no power at all and very little authority. "Pinheiro leads an independent team of some two dozen experts mandated by the United Nation that documents crimes committed during the conflict." {2} Mr. Pinheiro is authorized to investigate and to report to the UN. Period!

      Please allow me to add a few additional facts omitted from the biased OP. They reveal how the international community really views the Assad regime.

      "Speaking to reporters in Paris," reports Reuters on May 29, 2013, "Brazilian expert Paulo Pinheiro said his team of investigators had documented horrific crimes on both sides, although the scale of those committed by President Bashar al-Assad's forces was greater." {3}

      More recently, on June 4, 2013, Mr. Paulo Pinheiro released his report containing the following:
      United Nations Human Rights Office of the High Commissioner of Human Rights
      Geneva, 4 June 2013:

      "Crimes against humanity are being perpetrated by government forces and affiliated militias as they carry out widespread attacks against civilian populations through indiscriminate shelling, unlawful killing, torture, enforced disappearance, and sexual violence. They are systematically inflicting sieges against towns perceived as hostile, while populations have been forcibly displaced." {4}

      The UN report of June 4, 2013 clearly states, "The documented violations are consistent and widespread, evidence of a concerted policy implemented by the leaders of Syria's military and government,"

      "United Nations human rights investigators said on Tuesday the Syrian regime has been using civilians as "human shields," adding that they had reasonable ground to believe that limited amounts of chemical weapons had been used in the conflict." The agents used and the source of the chemical attacks are unknown since UN investigators are not permitted entry into Syria.

      "Government forces and allied militia have committed murder, torture, rape and other inhumane acts, the report said." {5}

      While the views in the OP are not very honest, Max, it is always interesting to hear from you.
      {1} http://www.unmultimedia.org/tv/unifeed/ … -syria-32/
      {2} http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/ … AO20130529
      {3} Ibid.
      {4} http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Page … p;LangID=E
      {5} http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/mi … flict.html

      1. maxoxam41 profile image73
        maxoxam41posted 5 years agoin reply to this

        In what way is it a false statement since it is forbidden to deliver weapons in order to attack another country according to the UN resolutions? And therefore they will be held responsible for their actions.
        If your goal is a semantic battle, I am the wrong opponant.
        Now since we are referring to the UN, we will both agree that we have the UN in our pocket.

        1. Zubair Ahmed profile image71
          Zubair Ahmedposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Hi Max,

          I agree with you on this arming rebels issue in Syria...it is far too easy for people to brand another person anti-US,EU or West.  What they fail to realise is that what you are doing or others like you - is only pointing out the WRONG that US, UK, EU or the WEST is doing in our names.

          If something is wrong it needs to be addressed as a wrong action rather than accepting it as 'OKAY' simply because the West is doing it rather than  some other country in the Middle East or far East.

          If this was Iran or some other country arming the rebels then US and its partners would be too happy to cry foul.

          We have heard too many lies (Iraq WMD, Libya, Afghanistan etc) to accept  any more of these biased reports.

          If Syrian people have a problem let them sort it out themselves don't interfere, just like we would not allow Syria to interfere in our affairs in this part of the world.

          These wars have nothing to do with freedom etc, if that was the case then US would push for freedom in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar Bahrain, etc.

          This is all to do with geo-politics and power play.  Weaken Syria and install another puppet that only subjugates its own people and dances to the WESTERN tunes.

          by the way I am not anti-Western, just pointing out the wrong actions taken by our leaders in our name.

          Tony Blair and George Bush took us to war based on lies which have now been proven - they are sitting comfy on their million dollar retirement package and manage to set up wealth management funds while the people like the soldiers and their families suffer, those people that they killed as a result of their greedy agendas are the ones that suffered and continue to suffer - direct result of 'US the public' the people of the WEST not speaking out against it when we had the chance to do so.

          Remaining silent in the face of wrong being done towards others is accepting to be part of that crime.

          1. Quilligrapher profile image83
            Quilligrapherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Greetings, Mr. Ahmed.

            Geo-politics and power plays are exactly what all governments are about. Those that are good at it will survive; those that are not good at it will perish, as did Tibet in 1951. The challenge is to identify which of them work in favor of your country’s best interests and which do not. The events on 9/11/2001, for example, were a geo-political power play on the global chessboard.

            Syria has been recognized as a state supporter of terrorism since 1979. Clearly, the USA is not playing Croquet in the White House Rose Garden while terrorist fly planes into our office buildings.

            Mr. Assad is a self-appointed tyrant who has held the reins of power in Syria with an iron grip. He is not a benevolent dictator nor is he interested in the will of his people. No doubt, some have chosen to forget how his forces engaged in a lethal crackdown on dissents 21 months ago when the “Arab Spring” and the peaceful marches for democracy reached the streets of Damascus. “Activists in Syria reported security forces opening fire on protesters marching after the evening prayers in the suburbs of the capital Damascus and in Homs, while dozens of people were detained in home raids or random arrests in Damascus and Aleppo, a regime stronghold,” wrote the Wall Street Journal in the summer of 2011. {1} I remember those days, Mr. Ahmed.

            I remember the false promises and the broken cease fire agreements as Mr. Assad and his armed forces continued to annihilate his own people. “Mr. Assad told U.N. Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon in a phone call that ‘the military and police operations had stopped,’ according to a U.N. statement. But the announcement came as activists said security forces continued to open fire on protesters in the evening hours.” It would appear that some believe the US should ignore the interference of other nations in Syria. While some may wish to ignore this reality, I do not. The Syrian government has had a continuous supply of weapons and logistical support from Russian, China, and Iran.

            Furthermore, some choose to ignore Syria’s interference in the affairs of the USA. In 2010, Iraqi Baathists had free access to the Syrian capital while they called for violence against the Iraqi government, Iraqi civilian targets, and American and coalition forces in Iraq. Al-Rai Television, owned by Iraqi Baathist Mishaan al-Jaburi broadcast from a suburban Damascus. The station transmitted violent messages in support of terrorism in Iraq throughout 2010. {2} You expect us to believe that from your well-balanced and unbiased perspective, you have not been able to find a single “right” action taken by your government regarding Syria. Well, from my perspective that appears to be as anti-Western as anyone can get. I would disagree big time. These wars have everything to do with freedom, particularly OUR freedom. I would never defend my government just because it is my government. After all, I remember Iran-Contra, the nonexistent weapons of mass destruction, and “Mission Accomplished.” I also remember about 100,000 helpless Japanese civilians instantly fried in 1945 and the 60,000 members of the Cherokee Nation left dead along the Trail of Tears. However, global events need to be viewed from a global perspective. Nations must always push their influence beyond their boarders if they hope to resist the influence of other states pushing back.   
            {1} http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 … 40136.html

            1. maxoxam41 profile image73
              maxoxam41posted 5 years agoin reply to this

              Since 1979 (?) and we are waiting for them to find oil and one of the biggest natural gas supply to act? Yes sure!
              Assad a tyrant that has 70% of the Syrian population supporting him, who asked for a referendum, who asked for free elections in Syria. If I recall well Bush was reelected by the supreme court if it's not dictatorship imposed on the American people, what is it?
              And like all rational thinker, Quilligrapher wants radical islam at the head of Syria versus Assad. He wants the model of the epitome of dictatorship (Saudi Arabia) to be installed instead.
              I remember a video where Syrians were saying that the men that we are financing were the ones who used chemical weapons against them!
              You are telling us that when facing attacks coming from djihadist mercernaries, Syrians shouldn't defend themselves? It is obvious. It's exactly what I am going to do if someone is going to throw a punch at me! Thanks to China, Russia and Iran a counterpower is born against abuses and hegemony.
              In what way resistance against the invaders is it a crime? You're telling me that if Canada invades the US, you will applaude and join their troops?
              If you are an anti-western then I am a pro-western! NEVER the US in its history has acted upon anything else but its interests. Enough of your lies!
              That's true Syria is emprisonning US. I am shackled while I'm answering you. No more freedom of thought, of speech, of move because of you Syria. Obviously NO, you would never go against your country as the good American that you are! As the good American that condemns without mercy Manning and Snowden and Co.
              Do you remember Sept11, the Tonkin Gulf... or is your memory selective?

          2. maxoxam41 profile image73
            maxoxam41posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            The truth nothing but the truth here. I have nothing else to say.

        2. Quilligrapher profile image83
          Quilligrapherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Hello Max.

          You claimed Mr. Pinheiro said something that he never actually said! I do not think Mr. Pinheiro ever made such a statement and I think you know it too. Did you not make a false statement?

          Simple to prove me wrong. Just provide a document, an interview, or any reliable source in which Paulo Pinheiro said “western leaders would be held personally liable.”

          1. maxoxam41 profile image73
            maxoxam41posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            If you go to voltairenet.org you'll have the source of the statement. The result of our battle is nihil. However by adpting the delivery weapon attitude, the west will be held responsible to the eyes of the UN, won't they? In what way is it a false statement?
            "...Delivering arms engages the responsibility of those who deliver the arms..." as a UN official it does know its chart and the consequences of any behaviors. If he refers to responsibility there must be a reason why! The UN chart states laws appliable to all countries don't you think that behind his words lie another truth. That the UN will held them responsible for their unlawful behaviors! He doesn't refer to the west or the countries for that matter it doesn't mean that we don't know who he is talking about "...who deliver the arms...".
            As I said it, it's only semantics.

  2. Reality Bytes profile image85
    Reality Bytesposted 5 years ago

    Let us support uprisings abroad and squash any dissent at home! 

    I cannot believe the world is so upside down?

    Are we prepared to arm the people of Brazil?

    1. maxoxam41 profile image73
      maxoxam41posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Why would the people demonstrate in a socialist government that is opposing more and more the US in its international moves? Given that most worldwide instabilities were/are created by us the US, it would not surprise me if our intention was to destabilize a country that is starting to take its own initiatives. The BRICS, for instance is an economical alliance that contains the new movers and the shakers of the international economical scene that makes the G8 look like a dinosaur. Brazil, part of the BRICS, is an economical power, the US in opposition has nothing to bring to be considered as their equal. Brazilian president Lula da Silva said in 2009 that the G8 "doesn't have any reason to exist." It says it all. The US is not a required economical partner anymore. The face of the world is changing.
      As the world opens up, we are withdrawing into ourselves in a dictatorship mode.


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