Trump now says McCain is no war hero: Please STFU!

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   Credence2posted 7 years ago

   Trump's outrages know no bounds, In this latest installment of the Right's Saturday Night Fights comes this story, the details of which are in the attached link.
   
   While I don't agree with Senator McCain politically and find his approach to foreign policy a bit too beligerant for my tastes, I acknowledge his service and sacrifice during the Vietnam conflict as a plus in his column.
   
   Here comes that Trump calling him a loser because he was "captured"? Never mind the fact that he endured torture and torment from the enemy, while Donald Trump was racking up deferments from the draft.
   
   Everybody has been telling me that he is just another voice in the GOP chorus. I think that he has to be jettisoned by the GOP. Add in the Birther nonsense, the demand that the President furnish him with his transcripts;  all the kooky and dum-dum things that seem to part from his lips lately and on a regular basis, this is definitely Brand X
   
   Yet the GOP leaders are too chicken hearted to confront the blowhard and dismiss him from their ranks. This is leadership?
   
   
   
   
   http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald-tr … 30835.html

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      Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      He will loose much of the 60 million latino votes calling them mostly criminals. I'm sure he deserves a kick in balls for a other insane things he says.

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         Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

         This is just so much more hemlock for the GOP, would they have in on the rocks?

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         Paul Wingertposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         A draft dodging bankruptcy king called POWs losers and then goes on to  think he can make the US great again! What is he going to do? Declare bankruptcy and start over?

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            colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            ""The Donald," Is Right, McCain Is No War Hero!"
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qs-bIGUsHyA

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               colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               JOHN McCAIN ~NO WAR HERO. INFOWARS.
               
               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVEk409FT78
               
               Scum!

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      GNelsonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I am not a fan of McCain but what happened to him in Vietnam made him a hell of a lot better than Trump.

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         Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Trump is a megaphone of hypocrisy and double standards. He could not measure up to McCain's drawers....

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            colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            "So John McCain made sure that the Marines who died in Chattanooga would not be able to fire back and save lives when a Muslim terrorist attacked.
            
            How’s THAT from a “war hero”?"  NOT EVEN CLOSE! 
            
            http://toprightnews.com/just-one-month- … e-at-home/

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               Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Yeah, toprightnews. com, a balanced source?
               
               We should have armed the grade school children and teacher against a homicidal maniac that killed students in Conn a couple of years ago.
               
               The church goers  in Charleston should have been armed as suggested by the NRA only then could they have put down this Dylann Roof, right...
               
               What is a war hero? He may have done nothing other than serve in Vietnam as a soldier, but that is more than his chief critic, Trump, has to contribute. If you want a credible and serious  debate lets not hear from rabid rightwing sources or Donald Trump, but instead from legitimate mainstream sources and veterans that served in the conflict and have a right to weigh in.
               
               Before you so willingly drink of the rightwinger bile, perhaps you should read this article and find out WHY John MCCain is considered a hero.
               
               http://theweek.com/articles/567934/dona … ohn-mccain

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                  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  "In June John McCain Defeated a Move to Arm Our Solders at Recruiting Centers and Bases"
                  http://www.publiusforum.com/2015/07/24/ … and-bases/
                  
                  Listen to the audio of Heller.

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                     colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     The Liberal Media Is Not The Unbiased News Source It Should Be.

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                        Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        I have checked into Heller, but I would not be satisfied until I hear from John McCain as to why he opposed the legislation.
                        
                        Regardless, whether his position is yea or nea on this bill, his status as a hero should not be affected by it. To suggest this is just so much rightwing rubbish.
                        
                        So, I am going to believe rightwing news, instead? Hardly. I qualified my use of the liberal Salon web site when I created this thread, you said that they were biased. So do you think my opinion of rightwing information sites well off from the information highway, lurking in the seemy back alleys of public opinion are going to be positive? How do verify the accuracy of these rogue sources?

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                           colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           Veterans Today -  "Trump right about Hanoi John McCain"
                           
                           "Why did McCain accuse American soldiers of war crimes during Vietnam? What did he get in return?"
                           
                           Gee, McCain comes back a hero?
                           American Veterans come back hated.
                           
                           http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/07/18 … hn-mccain/

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                              Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              The site reference has a reputation of ill repute, and its credibility based on other articles does not gicve me confidence about its veracity.
                              
                              Besides that it not that information has to be liberal to be acceptable to me, but it has to come from a credible source from the other side.
                              
                              Red State is a reputable source taking the conservative tact on issues without question and I linked an article about this matter and they certainly did not take the position of the sources you provide, so its not right verses left, but credibility vs otherwise.
                              
                              http://www.redstate.com/2015/07/19/dona … oners-war/

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                                 colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides
                                 Former POW Fights Public Access to POW/MIA Files
                                 By Sydney Schanberg
                                 
                                 http://www.vvof.org/mccain_hides.htm

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                                    Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    I will read it and get back with you....

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      wba108@yahoo.composted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I personally don't like McCains views on many issues but Trump is being outrageous. As you mentioned, the one thing that should be above reproach is McCains military record, tortured at the "Hanoi Hilton" and refusing special treatment because of his famous father. Trump should not be taken seriously as a presidential candidate and should crawl on his hands and knee's to apologize to McCain and all other war veterans.

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   ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

   Donald Trump  is a unmitigated  fool  , and idiot ,  a buffoon,  I always thought this but after reading abut this stupidity  !  I am now an actual  Trump hater.  WTF is a rich mans son  fool  doing being so popular in any arena  of our politics ?
   
   This is exactly what's wrong with America , look up the definition of stupid - and there's his face .

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   colorfuloneposted 7 years ago

   Interesting YouTube video about McCain that a friend of mine found and posted on Facebook.
   
   "John Mccain Exposed By Vietnam Vets And Pow's"
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=10&v=4hr37eE0nO8
   
   It sure brought back memories to watch it. 
   Thought someone else might be interested in seeing and hearing it as well.

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      colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Basically saying that McCain's experience in a PoW camp was kushy. The commies treated him like a prince and in addition, he ratted out his country in front of Commie TV Jane Fonda style, as a PoW. Some of them were his PoW mates. He didn't suffer a single ounce of torture as a PoW, but was treated as a guest.
      
      The report also says McCain along w. John Kerry blocked committees to declassify the fates as to the PoWs who were unaccounted for after hostilities w. Vietnam seized.
      
      I know where they are- so do u, and it's easy to see why McCain and Kerry blocked reports to make it official.
      
      Why would US PoWs lie?

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      Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      These are good questions and certainly can raises doubt. Who is responsible for the video, what is the source?
      
      Second, Trump did not serve at all, he still is the last one that should be speaking about someone that served his country, while served he served his pocketbook.

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         colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         McCain is being gracious through this...said he didn't think he was owed an apology by Trump.  I'm not at all concerned if he's a hero or not, makes no difference to me. 
         
         It would be nice if Trump would focus on what is an issue...there's a lot to chose from.  I'm not mad at him either, he's still #1 in the Republican polls after what he said and has the support of veterans. 
         
         I do like that Trump isn't hiding under being politically correct.  I would be surprised if he's elected.

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            Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

            But Colorfulone.
            
            Trump is a racist, as the lightening rod for all birtherism stuff the last few years. I, too, would be surprised if he is elected. I can't support people who race bait before my very eyes. We will see how he fares with the 'politically correct' portion of the GOP and the public in general who would be as embarrased to vote for him as they would David Duke.

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               colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               To say that "too many illegal immigrants from Mexico are criminals" is racist? 
               
               Come on!

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                  Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I am coming on -with facts. I going to believe a Wall Street Journal article over the word coming out of Trumps mouth.
                  
                  No one can say that the Wall Street Journal has a liberal bias, right?
                  
                  http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-mythica … 1436916798

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                     colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     Now, that is funny! 

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                        Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        Sorry, I did not mean to have you dredge the article to make my point which is all responsible journalistic outlets hve provided stats that prove that immigrants are no more predisposed to criminal activity than the general population of native dwellers.  Trump has used the incident in California, regarding the murder of a young woman to use one criminal illegal immigrant to make a non-supported inference about all the others.
                        
                        It is pure Trump and it is pure stupidity at its best.
                        
                        What if I went around saying that all White folks have the mindset of Dylan Roof, would you not be alarmed?
                        
                        So what is funny?

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                           colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           See!

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                              Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              See what? Is there some sort of riddle that I am not picking up on...

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   ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

   Anyone that truly looks into John McCains history realizes that there IS a certain element of Viet -vets that resent his celebrity  status in the arena of politics .   But in truth that is all  a negative field .   He is a hero ,  he didn't take Trumps sickeningly excuses for not serving at all , he served and suffered tremendously  ! Possibly  Beyond what you and I could have taken .
   
   Donald trump is a hugely negative energy source  in America - AND there is what Americans should hate [ the quintessential prince   of corporate powers ] .   Not the  unerring sacrifice of a true  veteran !
   Donald trump should be banned from all sources of  media  representation ! Except he owns them  as in much  the idiocy of this American culture .

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      Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      That one thing I did like about Trump. He did not trained to be a killer. Yet he sure blames others citizens for it.

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         ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Trump  took the soft  exemption from the draft for college and "bone spurs on his heels " , what a hero he is !

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   peeplesposted 7 years ago

   I am not a McCain fan by far. I also was not a fan of Trump leading up to this. He has diarrhea of the mouth, never knows when to shut up! These comments though were so ridiculous that they are actually disgusting and a disgrace! No matter my opinion on McCain, he fought for this country and is worthy of respect as a veteran.
   I'm with Lindsay Graham (who I'm also not a fan of) on this one. Trump is a Jackass!!!!

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      ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You got it Peeps !

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   Castlepalomaposted 7 years ago

   Trump leads well ahead in the polls.
   
   Happy I don't vote

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      Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      That says a lot to me about the sort of people on the 'other side'. The Archie Bunker mentality of the typical rightwinger never really fades with the passing of time....

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         Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         When Bush won,I had no idea there were so many white hicks, redneck,.and hillbillies living in the woods. Plus knew how to write X to vote.

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   ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

   Sorry folks , but anyone that seriously considers Trump a true candidate  :  Needs a real course in  how to recognize stupidity !

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   ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

   Real GOP people are embarrassed  by the moronity of Trump-isms !

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      Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Trumpism, then more corporatism, then more extremism for a long ways yet before crashing back down to keeping it real.  Too any Godism and not enough realism.

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   colorfuloneposted 7 years ago

   "Remember that “RACIST TRUMP”? He is leading in the Hispanic Vote!"
   http://www.crowsnestpolitics.com/2015/0 … anic-vote/
   
   "Trump Leads Nevada Poll with Overwhelming Hispanic Support"
   http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases … 14592.html

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      Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, this is so backwards.

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      rhamsonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      These poll results determine nothing as the election nears. Just as Herman Cain was a front runner early on and fell drastically in the polls in the 2012 race resulting in Romney as the nominee, so shall Trump. He typically stirs up a hornets nest and when he surrounds himself with enough uproarious opposition he bows out.

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         ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         + Exactly !

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    colorfuloneposted 7 years ago

    Wait till Trump gets a hold of this. He will get VA officials FIRED.
    
    "Whistleblower: 34K Combat Vets Still Waiting for VA Benefits"
    http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/07/21/w … a-benefits

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    ahorsebackposted 7 years ago

    Not to worry , Trump is no where near becoming a viable candidate  ,   he's just a rich guy who can buy his media time  .  The greater danger is that those who think he or anyone like him really   is a leader.  Americans are so naïve and becoming more so  !

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       PrettyPantherposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Something we agree on!

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          gmwilliamsposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Trump is so vainglorious it isn't funny.  He is egotistical beyond compare.  Trump is a showperson just like Rush, enormous verbosity without any substantive substance.

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          ahorsebackposted 7 years agoin reply to this

          Hey we can agree on somethings ....can't we .....:-]

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    SonofKennyposted 7 years ago

    Republicans are being pretty hypocritical here. They were gleeful as the Swiftboaters went after John Kerry in 2004, falsely characterizing his bravery in VietNam. They pulled the same shenanigans on Max Cleland and Tammy Duckworth. Now that one of their own is on the receiving end they are up in arms.

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       Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks for weighin' in...
       
       We have similar interests how about an article or two on the history of science, space exploration........
       
       My primary area of interest is post Revolutionary War America encompassing the years 1787 through 1852 (era of the New Republic, Federal Era, Age of Jackson...too many names for the same time period).
       
       I am also interested in the history of science, in particular its interaction and reaction to scientific discovery, as well as the history of space exploration.

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