Veterans: losers and suckers?

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  1. IslandBites profile image91
    IslandBitesposted 9 months ago

    Trump and the WH said is not true. Nevertheless, many, including veterans and even GOP members have condemned him.

    Some said that they believe it to be true because there is precedent, like the multiples times he attacked John McCain.

    Today, Jennifer Griffin, a Fox News reporter, doubled down on her reporting that confirmed key details of an article from The Atlantic.

    “I can tell you that my sources are unimpeachable,” Griffin said on the air Saturday.  “I feel very confident with what we have reported at Fox.”

    Trump went on Twitter and  asked for the journalist to be fired.

    He also attacked John Kelly when asked why Kelly hasn't spoken out about the story in The Atlantic magazine.


    Do you believe this story? Do you think this will rest some votes? Do you care?

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

      I thought that Trump had appeal for those of the strong defense persuasion.

      Obviously, Trump is not only a coward but belittles those warriors that had shown courage under fire going back to World War I.

      He ridicules religion with his phony support, he has no respect for those in the armed forces who oftentimes make the ultimate sacrifice.

      What is it does he respect outside of his own hide?

      This is a disgusting and loathsome man unworthy of anybody's support.

      Rightwingers: don't weasel out, the statements have been documented, why would Veterans groups and many GOP criticize Trump over his callousness and stupidity?

      I have to wonder about the kind of people who support this guy, the real reason people are simply reluctant to admit.

      Not only is he stupid, but ignorant having no knowledge of history. But his supporters do not keep him there because he is smart and knows things.....hmm

      If you want to be my leader, you had better set the example and Trump doesn't.

      1. Ken Burgess profile image90
        Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        I can only speak for myself.

        I look to the bigger picture, action - reaction, the pendulum will swing.

        I will not support the corrupt that have sold out Americans, caused the deaths of tens of thousands of American soldiers.

        I will not support the Clintons, Bidens, Pelosi types... they are the true criminals, far worse than Trump, they have spent 30 years in DC doing their worst for all Americans while making themselves rich.

        The why begins at 8:15 of this video... the true defilers must be flushed from DC... and if that means suffering four more years of Trump, so be it.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LvmPL-ubsI&t=492s

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

          This is true, Ken , you speak for yourself.

          The people that are at the forefront of exposure and condemnation of those institutions and entities that exploit the public wholesale are laid out by AOC.

          But which groups stand totally against her and other crusaders known as the "radical left"?

          I saw the video, and it hit home. I get your message, but this corruption is not just Democrats but republicans at their very foundation. So, you always say neither left or right, but it is pretty obviously to me who continues to offer the most resistance against the crusaders.

          Trump,and his goons are in on it up to their necks. I will take my chances with Biden and the Democrats.

          1. Ken Burgess profile image90
            Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Credence,

            I have a military background, and and a fairly intuitive strategic mind,  whether it was putting together Op-orders for missions I was heading into, or running circles around the nation's top civilians in military Sim centers, I proved pretty good at it... politics isn't much different, it takes strategy, it takes understanding the enemy, the situation, actions - reactions.

            You are looking at one battle and trying to win the war... or you have given up fighting the real war and are willing to settle for crumbs.

            You cannot get the changes you want when your own "Army" is filled with liars and thieves, people that are overly willing to betray you and see you suffer.

            Even if everything you believe about the Republicans is true... you are only doing exactly what they want you to do, when you put your support behind the likes of Biden, Clinton, Pelosi and all the rest that have been there for 3 decades and longer.

            The Republicans ARE Pelosi, Biden, Clinton, etc. they work for the same corporations, they work for the same banks, they work to sell out America and Americans to those that pay them the most... the only difference I see, is that the Clintons, Bidens, etc. have sold out to China as well.

            Until your party is dominated by people like AOC, it will be no different than the Republicans, the Democratic Party today is controlled by people just as reprehensible as any Republican.

            Right now, you have no party that is on your side... and there never will be, until the needed "revolution" occurs WITHIN the Democratic Party first.

            And that doesn't happen with a Biden win.

            1. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Your gifts and talents are acknowledged, Ken

              The Republican Party have all the deficits you ascribe to the Democrats with no faction of it represented by an AOC, Warren, Sanders or Gab bard

              My people betray me, but what do the Republicans offer as the enemy, am I to find any comfort and solace with them?

              How is allying with them to my benefit? For instance, I liked John McCain, you despised him. You support Trump regardless of what he does and I distrust the man intently. Oil and water can never mix.

              The only chance I have of getting what I want certainly does not come from supporting Republicans Made up of plutocrats and xenophobes.

              So, I may not have a party that is truly on my side but I will work with Democrats who have members willing to go the distance compared to Republicans who abhor the very concepts I and AOC speak about, and no one within their ranks willing to speak out as she does.

              Better to work with disputes among  the ideologically kindred than embrace  "the enemy".

              In other words, your side whom you have clearly identified in your posts have offered me nothing.

              Until the GOP changes its mantra in a substantial way, neither they nor their candidates can expect any support from me.
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              "And that does not happen with a Biden win"
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              I am all the more certain that it can never happen with a Trump win, so why support him and his cabal?

              In virtual every aspect of governance, the Republicans are not my friends. I cannot say that in all exclusive terms about the Dems. So, "winning the war" cannot be done through embracing the enemy, so I will take my crumbs and gradualism as a substitute, thanks.

              1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Sometimes, in order to win the war, you have to accept the loss of a battle.

                You only see this battle... you are not seeing the bigger picture.

                Action - reaction, the pendulum will swing.

                A Biden  win ensures that progress towards your goals get further away, not closer.

                A Biden win ensures those within the Democratic Party like AOC get marginalized for at least four more years, likely much longer than that, rather than being able to move center stage and become the force and power within the Party.

                1. Credence2 profile image80
                  Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  I have only you to say that my embracing Republicans is the mere acceptance of a battle loss in a larger war. With the GOP track record, it would be an unsustainable loss, one that I would not accept as I do not see any strategic advantage coming from that.

                  As far as I am concerned allying with Republicans, Conservatives/Rightwingers has always proven itself as ill advised both tactically and strategically.

                  A Trump win means that AOC and her brand become non-existent and that is worse than being marginalized. Marginalized is not blotted out of existence.

                  I cannot give my enemy the benefit of any aid and comfort, racism, xenophobia and rampant corruption is the Trump and Republican brand and we have nothing in common.

                  There isn't a chicken in the world that would vote for Colonel Sanders, in the face of that, almost any alternative is better.

          2. GA Anderson profile image91
            GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            I have to jump in and agree that Ken has a valid point on this one Cred. Your willingness to take a chance on Biden and the Democrats is willingness to accept more of the same stuff we have all been fed up with, (and, I think, the reason Trump won the election).

            The bigger picture shows that you have been willing to take that same chance for the last 20 years and look where it has gotten you. President Trump.

            As long as you are willing to continue taking that same chance you will continue to get the same results.

            GA

            1. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

              And what has Trump produced, GA? Is the system really any less corrupt under his reign?

              Is this the best alternative available? I don't see neither Trump nor the GOP offering anything better.

              I did not say that we don't have a problem, but that Trump is not the solution and he just exacerbates things as Fomenter in Chief.

      2. savvydating profile image93
        savvydatingposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        "Rightwingers: don't weasel out, the statements have been documented,"

        False. No such "documentation" exists anywhere. The sources are anonymous. How convenient for the author of the piece and for Joe Biden who just happened to have a full commercial ready within minutes of the publication of said article.

        "Not only is he stupid, but ignorant having no knowledge of history. But his supporters do not keep him there because he is smart"

        So is he stupid or is he smart?

        If you want to be my leader, you had better set the example and Trump doesn't.

        You mean, like this?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zggq8aHZH_Y

        "I have to wonder about the kind of people who support this guy, the real reason people are simply reluctant to admit."

        Wonder no more. Know that we love America. Know that we see that Trump built up the military and respects it whereas Obama/Biden undermined it and apologized for it. Know also that there was a fog so thick and deep that day, that the president's security would not allow him to visit the dead soldiers although he deeply wanted to. Know that at least 15 people, who were there, have come forward to say so. Know that those on the Left will believe any vile thing about the president without verifying the source or without even having an eyewitness source, not even one---as in the case of the ridiculous magazine article.

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

          In all fairness to your point here, this article from the Military Times, show a mixed reaction from military members and vets themselves in the belief  that Trump said the things attributed to him.

          https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pent … -military/

          Trump has shown disrespect toward those who serve, I speak of McCain in particular, yet not solely. Obviously many service members will be oblivious to what he said or did not say, because they are mesmerized by the man.

          Is he stupid or smart? Certainly, not smart or he would not have allowed and such opinions or attitudes to leak to press in the first place.

          Most of the "vile stuff" attributed to Trump comes from Trump himself.

    2. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

      "Do you believe this story? Do you think this will rest some votes? Do you care?"

      Do I believe the report ----Until these unsubstantiated rumors are confirmed by a human being with a name and face,  I will consider them another Democratic political ploy. At this point in my view, I feel it would be unintelligent to condemn the President for the alligations.   I have made every attempt to find facts on the story. The only information that I can come close to considering is Jennifer Griffen's account. I have followed Jennifer for some years, and have come to trust her reporting. Her statement gives an account of Trump claiming "Vietnam vets were suckers." She would not stand behind the other rumors about the World War one soldiers or other reasons President Trump would not travel to the graves.

      I have also read several accounts from others that accompanied the President the trip that claimed they did not hear the said statements, John Bolton also provided a statement. ---- “I didn’t hear him say those things,” he said, adding later he probably would have included the remarks in his book if he had. “Now, did he say those things to other people later in the day? It’s certainly possible.”
      "https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-04/bolton-says-trump-remarks-on-military-despicable-if-accurate

      I don't think it will cost Trump votes, not sure. He is and always has been outspoken, and his statements harsh on many subjects. I could definitely believe he could call Vietnam vets suckers. Both Trump and Biden were draft evaders...   Many that lived during this sad time in our history watched much of the nation disrespect Vietnam vets. This is an ugly fact. The day my husband returned and we stopped to eat on the way from the airport. We were insulted as we entered a restaurant. The left hated solders and let it be known in the most obnoxious ways. Yes, I could see Trump calling Vietnam vets suckers. https://www.insidesources.com/joe-biden … rats-care/

      Do I care --- I could care less...  I want a president that gets things done, I could care less about a president that tells me what they think I should hear.  Just not into needing to look to President for empathy or emotional support. I have learned words mean little when problems are not being solved.  I do care about having a president that I trust can think clearly. My choice is very easy this time around.  One only needs to watch Biden live or filmed speeches and see he has a mentation problem.

  2. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 9 months ago

    This story in the Atlantic is as big of an unsubstantiated hit piece as the come. 

    Here is a link to it

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … rs/615997/

    There are no named sources.  Nobody has come forward and claimed it was true.  There have been people who said they were there and it didn't happen.  People who hate President Donald Trump...like John Bolton.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/administra … -in-france

    This is a hit piece from the delusional Democrat playbook they have used before.  Let us not forget the used of the media for fake make-up stories at the confirmation for Brett Kavanaugh.

    So, what is really behind this?

    Biden is having a free-fall in the internal polling.  There is are polls you see in the media...and each campaign has their "internal" polling.  THESE are accurate as possible.

    Since Democrats are the ones being held responsible for the looting, rioting and destruction of public property around the country...and rightly so...they are falling in the polls.

    Since Democrats can't publicly sell their socialist/communist agenda to the majority of Americans...they have to create a delusion.

    The is hit piece in the Atlantic is it.  Guess what?  Most of us aren't buying it.  I know from a personal perspective that the VA has vastly improved under President Donald Trump.  People serving in the military under him have gotten well-deserved pay raises...they have gotten more modern equipment.  More time is spent training. 

    Unless they have an individual who is credible come forward and say "I have a recording of President Donald Trump" saying this"...and it isn't altered...I'm not buying it.  Not after all this president has done for veterans and the military.

    So, Democrats, go ahead and play your stupid games because you can't win stating the truth about your socialist/communist agenda.  Try to create a smoke screen with your lies.  It's not working, it hasn't worked and it won't work.

    The only thing this is doing is making Democrats look more pathetic and desperate than ever before.  They are sad.

    Oh...and look who owns "The Atlantic" magazine.  I think he is referred to as a Biden "Megadoner"

    https://thepostmillennial.com/revealed- … _iL04-ZRuo

    1. IslandBites profile image91
      IslandBitesposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      "Unless they have an individual who is credible come forward and say "I have a recording of President Donald Trump" saying this"...and it isn't altered...I'm not buying it.  Not after all this president has done for veterans and the military."

      Would you care? (If a credible person says he did.)

      1. Readmikenow profile image97
        Readmikenowposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        It would be a game changer.

        But, since all the left has is an unsubstantiated hit piece with unknown sources by a publication owned by a Biden "megadoner", it is more of the same as the dirty dealings such as took place during the Brett Kavanaugh confirmation hearings. The story lacks all credibility to those who have a desire for the truth.

        It sadly apparent...this is has been done because it is all the Democrats have.  Biden is just not enough of a candidate.  They have to resort to this type of absolute nonsense to try and tear down President Donald Trump.  He has weathered everything from the Russian Hoax to the Bogus impeachment and more.  He will endure this as well.

        1. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          I'm curious. Why would it be a game changer?

          Does insulting veterans negate what he's done for them?

          1. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Great point

        2. Valeant profile image88
          Valeantposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          And yet, even respected members of the news staff at Fox News were able to corroborate the details of the story.  Which the opinion side then completely contradicted.

          At this point, Trump's base only believes what he tells them.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Could you provide which Fox news reporter corroborated the Atlantic story? I do know Jennefer Griffin could not and would not stand behind the allegations in regard to the WW1 remarks. She did stand behind the source that told her Trump said "Vietnam vets were sucker".

            Otherwise, none of the Atlantic remarks have been corroborated by anyone with a face or name. there have been many including John Bolton that claimes due to weather they could not travel to the cemetery or did they hear said remarks.
             
            When you use the word "corroborate" you are indicating the story has been found to be true, factually confirmed.

            I may be wrong, however, I have seen nothing to indicate the Atlantic story has been proven in any respect.

            Please simply supply a link to your source. It's not that I am contradicting, I just don't find it responsible to put out a statement as a matter of fact.

            I believe facts, not as you put it  --- whatever Trump tells me...  I will await your refrence that the story has been corroborated by someone that either was there and hear him say it or have a recording of him saying it.

            1. Valeant profile image88
              Valeantposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              The way Trump retaliates against people that stand up to his disgusting behavior, you really cannot fault people for wanted to keep their faces or names out of the press.  So you can wait all day for verification of a name or a recording that won't be coming.

              Here are her confirmations:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A_8Tm37jaM

              1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Not standing up for his behavior. Just standing up for truth in reporting. I would think anyone that claims to have heard the president say such things should stand up behind the allegations. I am not willing to condemn anyone on hearsay. Second-hand information. I consider this kind of leave it open for anyone tom says anything. Who am I to belive 11 people that were with him or one that claims he heard something he won't stand behind?

                As I said I need a face, a name, not a "source"...

                I can see we are are not in agreement on what we as individuals expect from journalists . Over the past few years, I have watched journalism go through massive change. I don't appreciate what I consider possible untrue stories.

                I thank you for supplying me with the youtube, and it well appears Jennifer Griffen is standing behind her source. I can certainly see you have a point.

                1. Valeant profile image88
                  Valeantposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  Yeah, I find Trump's own previous statements publicly about men like John McCain to be more than enough corroboration.  But the fact that both liberal and conservative news sources confirm much of the story validates the rest of it for many Americans.

                  And Trump's retaliatory actions towards patriots like Lt. Col. Vindman, as well as his brother, who simply spoke the truth of what he saw under penalty of perjury, to be more than enough reason for people to keep their anonymity from this spiteful and disgusting person who occupies the presidency.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image85
                    Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    I do realize Trump's affinity to make obnoxious comments, and he clearly was always upfront how he felt about McCain. The story could be true, I just prefer not to condemn anyone without some real proof.

                    Trump has done a lot to improve the Military. Not sure why he would make such statements.

    2. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

      So, Democrats, go ahead and play your stupid games because you can't win stating the truth about your socialist/communist agenda.  Try to create a smoke screen with your lies.  It's not working, it hasn't worked and it won't work.
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      We are going to defeat you this time, Mike, short of any underhanded tricks by Trump and the Republicans. I just hope your man smart enough to just hand over the keys without a meladrama when it's time.

      Attacking a man of the basis of his service and status as a POW is not fair game as far as I am concerned, especially from a draft dodging coward.

      1. Readmikenow profile image97
        Readmikenowposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        "Attacking a man of the basis of his service and status as a POW is not fair game as far as I am concerned, especially from a draft dodging coward.{

        Yeah, attacking John McCain and his service is only acceptable to the left when McCain is running for president against obama.  The things the media and the left said about McCain during that election.  Now, McCain is a hero to the left because they see it as a way to gain political advantage.  That is the ONLY reason the left likes McCain.  IF they believed they could gain some type of political advantage by throwing McCain's life and memory under the bus...it would be done in less than a heartbeat.
        The left doesn't respect McCain...they USE McCain. NOW they're all about POWs and veterans.  Puh...leeze. Tell it to someone who didn't see it happen.

  3. GA Anderson profile image91
    GA Andersonposted 9 months ago

    The Fox reporter says the sources aren't anonymous to her. Pres. Trump has said similar things in regards to John McCain, so the claimed quotes aren't completely out of character.

    But, it is election time and the incident is two years old.

    Hmm . . .   Who to believe?

    GA

    1. Ken Burgess profile image90
      Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Well that aspect of it is absolutely worthless GA, that someone would come out and adamantly say, without giving names, dates, etc.

      We saw this with Russian Collusion "We have irrefutable proof, he will be impeached before the end of his first year".

      It doesn't matter what people say anymore, without clear evidence, its a lie until proven true... people of all sorts of high "credibility" have come out and lied to harm this President.  Politicians to the Pope.

      As for what he said about McCain, I despised the man as well, for his political choices, for his lies, for saying he would do anything to repeal the ACA and then spitting in the face of all those who voted for him for that primary reason.

      Jun 15, 2016 · A new state poll shows Republican Arizona Senator John McCain could be in for a tight race to keep his seat in the U.S. Senate. As Arizona Public Radio’s Aaron Granillo reports, next year’s election may be closer than expected.

      Nov 08, 2016 · GOP Arizona Sen. John McCain managed to retain his seat in the upper chamber after edging out his Democratic opponent Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick

      The ONLY reason he retained that seat (other than old'school corrupt support) was because he PROMISED that repealing and ridding the country of the ACA was his primary goal.

      Meanwhile he is off stoking the flames of an illegal war effort that resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths and millions of people being displaced, their homes and their lives ruined.

      McCain first visited Syria in 2013 to meet with leaders of the "Free Syrian Army", which was backed by U.S. forces and was the opposition to Syria’s President Bashar al-Assad.

      I found his actions and efforts to be the worst of nearly any politician that has been alive in our times.  He was not the kind, gentle soul, he appeared.

      1. IslandBites profile image91
        IslandBitesposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        So you dont think a soldier is a hero if he's a POW. That was his opinion (an old one btw) not what he did after that.

        OK. Got it.

      2. Readmikenow profile image97
        Readmikenowposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        John McCain was no friend of veterans.  We put up with his lies for years. Many war veterans, including myself, really struggled to have respect for his political choices.

        He's not the only American POW, he's not the only veteran, he may be the one who used it to such a political advantage.  Any criticism of John McCain is perceived as an attack on him being a POW and not an attack on his performance as a senator.  Sorry world, he was a POW, but he deserved every bit of criticism he got and then some because of his politics.     

        "McCain stood up in the second presidential debate, on October 7, and told the American people he supports a spending freeze that excludes veterans. But the truth is that John McCain has voted against funding for healthcare and other services for veterans for years.

        The senator didn't support a measure that would have closed tax loopholes to fund improvements at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., though he surely must have wished he had when he saw the stories last year that documented deplorable conditions at the hospital. He has voted against help for victims of post-traumatic stress disorder. He has voted against programs to provide housing to low-income and special-needs veterans. He did not support the latest GI Bill."

        https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/john … my-6331635

        1. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 9 months agoin reply to this
        2. Ken Burgess profile image90
          Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          I could not have a lower opinion of a human being than I have of McCain.

          I know more than enough, he sold the interests of Americans, of Soldiers out, over, and over, and over again.

          The death of hundreds of thousands of innocents are on him as much as any politician in DC.

      3. GA Anderson profile image91
        GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        At this point, I am inclined to believe The Atlantic article is, at best, an exaggeration without context, and at worst an extrapolated lie. But, President Trump's character displays have made it impossible to completely dismiss the article's claims.

        As for the "worthlessness" of the anonymous sources' information—you might be right, but, they have provided dates and context, and as mentioned, they are not anonymous to the reporter from Fox. That reporter may be taking a huge career risk by believing her sources, but it appears her sources' information has also been corroborated by a fellow reporter's sources. However, that doesn't automatically mean the claims are true. It is election time and there are a lot of anti-Trump folks out there. This could very well be like the Russia stuff you mentioned.

        I can't imagine any "normal" person saying those things, but my point is that Pres. Trump has shown us he doesn't fit the "normal" mold and has said enough other crazy stuff and lies to leave plenty of room for my seed of doubt.

        Regardless of your view of McCain, the president's attacks on him were vicious and cruel. Your defense of those comments isn't persuasive to me.

        GA

        1. Ken Burgess profile image90
          Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          I am not trying to defend Trump's comments, or say they were OK.

          My bad for letting my disdain for McCain get the better of me, and send me off on a unrelated tangent.

          I understand how many can dislike Trump, I would have preferred an alternative that I could support.

          That the DNC (and powers that be) chose Biden & Harris is overwhelming proof that the worst elements are in control of the choices we are given, and that Trump is an aberration they had not anticipated or planned for.

          This is the first opportunity we have had, in decades, to push against a corrupt and closed system to get people who will fight for American's best interests into DC... and get enough of them there to make a difference.

          That WILL NOT HAPPEN if Biden wins.

          All the disruption that Trump has caused will be for not, will result in no positive good done, if the cronies are able to regain control of DC.

          I see Trump as the catalyst to change, he has disrupted the Republican party, but what America needs even more, is the Democrats to be cleansed of the criminal elements that have a death grip on the Party.

          So long as names like Pelosi, Biden, Clinton, and their sycophant supporters in Congress hold control of the Party, the Democrats are a worse element for America than even Trump.

          1. GA Anderson profile image91
            GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            On these points, I completely agree. As a further point, (as I mentioned to Credence2), beyond your thoughts that Trump is the disrupter relative to politics, as usual, I think he is also more representative of the direction I think our nation should take.

            GA

      4. Valeant profile image88
        Valeantposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        You're still denying that collusion took place?  Even after the Republicans on the Senate Intel Committee confirmed that Manafort was supplying the Russians with information while Trump Campaign Chair.  Interesting.

        1. Ken Burgess profile image90
          Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          I have disproven this issue more than once, for you, your clinging to it is old.

          John and Tony Podesta, Paul Manafort and Hillary Clinton were in deep collusion, with the Podesta Group, and also Uranium One.

          The vehicle through which Paul Manafort worked for the Russians was a shell group called the European Centre for a Modern Ukraine.

          Uranium One is about the Russian-owned company which controls 20 percent of U.S. uranium production capacity, and whose board members gave more than $100 million dollars to the Clinton Foundation.

          Manafort was part of that deal, in fact Russian money Manafort funneled to the Podesta Group greatly exceeds the roughly $1 million they were officially paid.

          The interesting things to consider when digging through all this, is what exactly caused Manafort to join Trump?

          Did Manafort have a fallout with Podesta and the Clintons, was he aiding the Clintons and trying to sabotage Trump.  Or is it something else entirely?

          Podesta ran Clinton's campaign and currently runs Biden's campaign, what a tight little click they have.

          1. Valeant profile image88
            Valeantposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            You've only disproven it to yourself.  The Senate Intelligence Report disagrees with your stance.  You know, the one where they were able to view classified material and came up with the conclusion that Manafort did coordinate with Russian operatives during the election.  You really should read it.

            https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/pre … sia-report

            Then you throw out that old debunked Uranium One conspiracy theory, followed by one that intimates that you believe Manafort was a sleeper agent from the Clinton Campaign while working as the Trump Campaign Chairman.  That's your argument?  Seriously?

            1. Ken Burgess profile image90
              Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              It is, and all those with the interest in doing their own research and finding the answers for themselves can do so.

              What the "official report" tells us, at best, is that Manafort is a duplicitous individual that could not be trusted. And his "Russian ties" when you research the matter, stem from his former partnerships with Clinton and Podesta.

              https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/02/3- … ce-report/

              https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa … n-n2574572

              I was more than ready to move on from Trump, if a legitimate alternative was presented.

              Biden, whose campaign is being run by Podesta, is not a legitimate alternative.

              1. Valeant profile image88
                Valeantposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Yeah, while I find some of your views to be on the fringe, I found your ability to consider multiple candidates refreshing.  Kudos for that.  I was surprised that in the last election, I likely would have crossed over and voted for Kasich over Clinton, even though I am undoubtedly fairly liberal.

                1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                  Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  That is because I am not beholden or committed to or believe in any one Party or any one political belief.

                  A political party or political belief (IE - Social Justice, Progressive, Conservative) is only going to be as good as the people who are entrusted (empowered) to run/lead them.

                  If the Democratic Party is Led/Controlled by those involved in politics purely for the power and wealth it brings them, then it is no better than the opposing Party.

                  It comes down to who has the power, the support, the political capital to achieve change.

                  President Obama had political capital and had a Democratic majority in the House and Senate, he had the ability to achieve anything.

                  Unfortunately he spent it on the Affordable Care Act, that proved to be a boon for the Insurance and Pharma companies, and harmful to millions of working Americans.  It solved the problems of some Americans and created hardship for even more than it helped.

                  And it was because Obama and the Democrats made this terrible choice, that they lost power in Congress.  And it was because they chose a corrupt establishment hack in Clinton that they lost the Presidential election.

                  If a person I believe in runs for President I will support them regardless of the Party they are in.

                  In the absence of that, I have to try and project out as to where things will go, and which of the two options may lead to a better future for all Americans.

                  In this context I look at the current choices... Biden, who represents Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer, etc. regaining control of power in DC.

                  Or Trump who represents a chance for upheaval and revolution within the Democratic party, which might sweep out those noted above, and allow politicians that may actually be representative of the people to regain control of at least one of the parties.

                  If you are Progressive, a Biden win is a total loss, once restored to power they will lock out the likes of AOC and Gabbard.

                  And if you are a Conservative or Republican, obviously a Biden win is a total loss.

                  The only ones who win if Biden wins is the Establishment, the corporations, the banks.  The corruption in DC will strengthen itself to ensure no disruption like Trump can ever happen again.

    2. IslandBites profile image91
      IslandBitesposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Who to believe?

      Doesnt matter. Like you said, he has said similar things and people still voted for him and follow him no matter what he says or does.

  4. IslandBites profile image91
    IslandBitesposted 9 months ago

    So, that's FOX News and CNN and

    Three other outlets confirm much of the Atlantic’s reporting

    Hours after the Atlantic story broke, the Associated Press had two unnamed sources — a senior Defense Department official and senior Marine Corps officer — confirm the report. Per the AP, Trump decided not to visit the cemetery in France after receiving his daily briefing on November 10, 2018 — the day of the planned trip. And while members of the National Security Council and the Secret Service told Trump he could still drive to the site, Trump said no because the cemetery was “filled with losers.”

    The Washington Post broadly confirmed Trump’s feelings on US war dead. On Thursday night, the paper had an unnamed former senior administration official confirm that Trump “frequently made disparaging comments about veterans and soldiers missing in action, referring to them at times as ‘losers.’”

    The New York Times on Friday morning also published a story that bolsters the reports that, in private, Trump blasts military service.

    People familiar with Mr. Trump’s comments say he has long scorned those who served in Vietnam as being too dumb to have gotten out of it, as he did through a medical diagnosis of bone spurs in his heels. At other times, according to those familiar with the remarks, Mr. Trump would marvel at people choosing military service over making money.

    1. Readmikenow profile image97
      Readmikenowposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      I believe that quoting unnamed sources prove nothing.

      "People familiar with Mr. Trump's comments" is even worse than an unnamed source. 

      This proves absolutely nothing.

  5. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 9 months ago

    The editor of the Atlantic just conceded the central part of the story's narrative is false.  Another unsubstantiated hit piece by the left.  Someone needs to tell those on the left just because you imagine it to be true...doesn't make it true.

    "On Sunday, Atlantic Editor in Chief Jeffrey Goldberg admitted the White House’s account that President Trump’s trip to a cemetery of fallen World War I soldiers in France in 2018 was modified due to bad weather is probably accurate.

    “I’m sure all of those things are true,” Goldberg told CNN in an interview on Friday when asked to respond to evidence a story he published saying otherwise is false."

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/07/at … g.facebook

  6. GA Anderson profile image91
    GA Andersonposted 9 months ago

    My comment wasn't intended as a defense or promotion of Pres. Trump other than he is the alternative to the direction the Democrats will take our nation.

    I could mention details about stuff like; free everything, tax the rich because they can afford it, and telling me how to live my life in every way from what to eat, (sugar, salt, etc.), to how I should speak, (political correctness), but the details are less important than the ideology behind them.

    GA

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

      It is the same refrain, GA

      Democratic socialists will run the country into the ground. You all said that about Clinton and Obama as well.

      Well, you can choose the current incumbent's disaster which has been synonymous with Trump's  term of office in every way.

      While those of the rightwing persuasion will continue to support him, I would be surprised to see him reelected as his base is not big enough and he hasn't made any new friends since '16.

      My view says continuation with Trump makes for an ever more dismal path then electing any democrat, but again, that is just my opinion.

      So, Let's have a little old fashioned American democracy and see if Trump can go the distance, this time......

      Conservatives love to complain about "too much" democracy unless their candidates win.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image85
        Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

        In my view, it would be a sad, and embarrassing day if Biden won the election. He has done nothing in his many years in Washington, and he is clearly having problems with his mentation. My gosh has America come to just sticking anyone in the White House?

        The Democratic party has in my view proved themselves to have no vision for the country other than socialism. They are floundering.

        You assume Trump's base would not be large enough to get him the win. Curious, It actually may have been all he needed in 2016. The Dem's bazaar actions over these past four years, with all the conspiracies and lies, have more likely helped him build a larger base.

        "disaster" --- I have been so satisfied with Trump's job performance. I also feel the best is yet to come.

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

          That is one thing that we can agree upon as Americans, everyone has an opinion that is entitled to be heard and respected.

          So, may the best candidate win.....

          1. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

            We agree... And I appreciate how offer your opinion. You are really sharing what your thinking, no holding back. However, you always play nice.

            This is going to be a bumpy couple of months.

            1. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Sharlee, can't mince words, I leave no doubt where I stand regarding most matters.

              I will always give it to you straight, as much as you can handle

              Thanks....

      2. Ken Burgess profile image90
        Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        I think the "you all" you refer to, are not GA and myself.

        That's an easy out you are taking, because I think the arguments we make are too sensible. It makes it a lot easier for you to dismiss our points when you just label us as "you all"...

        My concerns for Clinton were never that she was a Socialist, and I highly doubt that was ever a GA argument...

        My concerns for Clinton was that she was as corrupt and criminal as any politician in our history, and most of all, that she would have leapt us into WWIII with a gleeful abandon given the opportunity.

        I voted for Obama in 2008, despite all that I knew about Reverend Wright and Obama's time in Indonesia, etc.  I admit a large part of that was because of what I knew about McCain, over the years after the 2008 election they proved to be well founded concerns regarding McCain.

        Point is, there is no "you all" that would have ever voted for Obama, under any condition... so how do you reconcile that?

        Was I critical?

        Yes.

        Was I concerned when Obama and Clinton decided to kill Gaddafi, destabilize Libya, and then target Syria?

        You bet I was, and this was after Obama helped a revolution take hold of Egypt by abandoning Mubarak.  At that time, there was a lot to be concerned about, IMO.

        But America is still here, the lives of the people in Syria and Libya are far worse off for his decisions, but the world didn't come to an end...

        I do believe a great many people were disappointed that Obama, instead of bringing peace, and being a uniter within the country, was the opposite of all they hoped for.

        I do believe that contributed to Trump winning the election, that and Clinton's stealing the Nomination from Sanders.  The Party was not unified behind her, how could they be, in reality Clinton was Right of Trump.

        At the worst I believe Gus and I are Moderates, but maybe the definition of what it means to be a moderate, rational, independent individual has changed... I guess that all depends on where you stand and what you believe in.

        I'm sure to those in Antifa or BLM, we are White Supremacists of the worst sort.

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

          I don't dismiss your points, but I do agree with them.

          Don't blame Obama for Libya and Egypt, that was the "Arab Spring" period when the masses revolted against tyrannical rulers, they do have that right, yes? We kept hands off, as we should have.

          I am disappointed in Obama only in the fact that it took him too long to realize that Republicans, Conservatives never intended to compromise or work with him, and he should have devised a work around in the face of that reality earlier in his term.

          So, how is Trump not a divider? Rather than being the opposite of what we all hope for, Trump turned out to live up to, or down to the most negative of my  expectations of him prior to his assuming office.

          Because Trump has created a dumpster fire in America,  his reelection remains in doubt and why you can expect Biden.

          Ken, you are considerably more conservative than GA, even though you both share the same conservative fabric. I am not likely to share much common ground with either you, and I cannot be surprised by this. Where is "the Panther"? I could always be sure that she got the memo..
          -----
          "At the worst I believe Gus and I are Moderates, but maybe the definition of what it means to be a moderate, rational, independent individual has changed... I guess that all depends on where you stand and what you believe in."
          -------
          At BEST, you and GA are moderates, otherwise  I agree with the content of this paragraph.

          I was speaking about the Bill Clinton's administration, not Hillary's campaign.

          With the inequities and past injustices that resonate into the present, giving you that relative advantage, consistently, Capitalism, as practiced here is just another form of White supremacy, and it is no wonder that you all cling to the status quo so desperately.

          But again, that could make me into a wild Left wing bomb throwing anarchist. Yet, while I cannot expect to correct all the slights of the past, I am duty bound to remind you of them and my conscious resistance to conservatives and their agenda as much for that reason, without considering so many of the other reasons. So, YES, the past DOES MATTER.

          Real peace in this country will continue to remain elusive until we have properly reconcile these matters.

          But,   I have to wonder would you all really be willing to compete on a truly level playing field? I doubt it. Is that why change is so frightening for so many of you?

          But , that is just a theory or hypothesis on my part.

          Sorry guys, strong stuff, but you would only want my honest opinion, as distressing as that may be.

          1. Ken Burgess profile image90
            Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            No, that was Obama choosing to abandon Mubarak and encourage the Muslim Brotherhood (who lost power to the Military not too long thereafter) to take over Egypt.

            Then came Libya, a Nato-led coalition using lethal air power to aide forces supported by the CIA to revolt against Libya’s Muammar Gaddafi.

            And then the CIA (via regional allies) took Gaddafi's cache of anti-aircraft and anti-armor missiles, put them on a boat to Turkey, and then smuggled them across the border to "Syrian Freedom Fighters".



            You're pretty far down the rabbit hole. 

            Considering how far things have come since the 60s, I know its convenient to forget Obama, Oprah, Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods.  There is no limit to the levels of success that can be achieved based on race.

            The status quo you refer to disappeared decades ago.

            There is no overnight fix for the rest... it takes time for the grants, scholarships, and laws to have their impact... which can be seen today on TV, in Sports, Schools, and in Politics, all across the board.

            I see racism being politicized and propagated not by whites but by politicians, millionaires and organizations raking in billions of dollars.



            So long as there are those who can profit by it, so long as there are those that can gain power thru it, or fame with it, there will always be those demanding reconciliation, pushing forward past wrongs, stoking the flames of racism.



            I am an old Army Ranger, I don't fear death or competition, never have. 

            I fear getting old and useless... weak minds blame others for their failures, strong minds fight through whatever is thrown at them, and find a way to succeed.

            If the Democrats had presented a real alternative, a real representative for the people... like Tulsi Gabbard, I could have supported them.

            But they gave us Biden... you know what he is and represents, you can make this about anything else you want... but you know the truth, that he is nothing more than a stooge for all the elements you despise in DC.  Everything you claim the "conservatives" to be... and worse.

            1. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

              As for Mubarak, the people grew tired of authoritarian tyrants and Obama was right to let circumstances and the people take their rightful course.

              How many times has Reagan used the CIA to foment revolts in Central America and intimidate Khadafi? When Obama uses these tools, it brings the house down...

              As for the "rabbit hole", not so far down as you would think. Far and wide  tokens to parade about does not address the situation for the vast majority, when the structural biases can be at least rendered as not as stark for the average African American for so many areas of life and commerce, I will have made my case. So, improvement must continue.

              Yes, there is no overnight fix, but these problems have been festering for some time, how many "overnights" do we have to wait?

              I don't have to look at millionaires as fomenters, regarding racism, I just have to look around the corner. Beyond the laws, it is still too much of an entrenched attitude and practice from people that needs to excised.
              --
              "So long as there are those who can profit by it, so long as there are those that can gain power thru it, or fame with it, OR FoR THOSE WHO INSIST ON JUSTICE there will always be those demanding reconciliation, pushing forward past wrongs, stoking the flames of racism."
              ---------
              As for weak and strong minds, your man Trump blames his failures on others, and he is a billionaire. So there is more to your comment than what appears on the surface.

              I doubt you that really would have supported Gabbard, you are a hard Right conservative, there can't be anything within the Democratic agenda that you would find attractive, regardless of who won the nomination.

              1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Credence, it is you who have claimed more than once:
                "I AM a Progressive" and "I'll always be a Democrat"

                You are the one who has stated constantly your loathing for Republicans.

                I don't see politics in that way.  I don't want to identify as a Republican or Conservative, a Democrat or Liberal.

                Those words are constantly being redefined, and the people who control/lead those 'factions' are constantly changing.

                The Democratic Party of today does not represent what the Democratic Party stood for 40 years ago.

                The Republican Party of today is not limited to what it stood for 40 years ago.

                Both sides have been controlled by corporations and banks over the last 30 years and in unison sold out the American people time and time again.

                Knowing what I know today, I would definitely be supporting Tulsi Gabbard, because I feel she would be the best option (between her and Trump) for the country going forward, and she would do the best job for the American people.

                It is that simple for me, its about the best option, not party or ideal.

                Just as when I chose Obama over McCain, though in the end, Obama proved to be far more of a warhawk and sellout to the corporations than I think anyone could have imagined at that time.

                1. Credence2 profile image80
                  Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  Credence, it is you who have claimed more than once:
                  "I AM a Progressive" and "I'll always be a Democrat"

                  You Are the the one that constantly stated your loathing for Republicans
                  ------

                  Well Ken, within the current political climate that view on my part stands as no one can accuse me of being a "fence sitter".

                  But, I cannot predict the future, there may well be another sea change that readjusts present day party alliances, we will see.

                  It is not so much what is on the label, but what it is that is in the box. Our correspondence has revealed what is in your box despite it being labeled otherwise. Anyone here will tell you that you rank as one the more conservative folks posting on the forums.

                  Yes, I have problems with both sides, but I am looking at party factions and individuals who are willing to fight to change this. I see response from within one party and none from the other.

                  The best option for me now and in the past was found mostly in the ideology of one party over the other.

                  The Republicans have never presented a candidate option for me that I could accept that could overcome all of the Party's preexisting deficits from my point of view.

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image90
                    Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                    I understand your position and views, I do.

                    I'm of a different mindset, I know what a Biden, Pelosi, Schumer controlled DC means... and I have no interest in helping it come into existence.

                    I want it broken, I want that entire cabal swept out of DC... I want their power and control destroyed.

                    And if it takes another 4 years of Trump to force that "revolution" to occur within the Democratic party... ITS WORTH IT.

                    You perceive myself, and those like me (considering your "you all") to be afraid of competition, afraid of change... I scoff at that.

                    I do have concern for sweeping economic crisis hitting the country, or worse.

                    I have concern over China, over gross amounts of corruption and collusion with this Nation's enemies in DC.

                    But what I am not afraid of, is the poor and historically under privileged of America getting a helping hand, being given opportunity to better themselves through education, business, and financing opportunity.

                    I have no problem with more 'radical' ideas such as free education.

                    But when I KNOW the leadership of this country is corrupt, and any such well intentioned legislation will be twisted to benefit the richest factions, while still keeping those it was meant to help powerless and poor... I cannot support it.

                    IE - Look at the ACA objectively, dig for the REAL stats, the ones that tell of how insurance costs for millions of Americans went up as much as 100% a year, how deductible amounts were obscenely high, how tens of millions of people were stuck paying for insurance that covered nothing.

                    Yet the Insurance companies and Big Pharma were making money like never before.

                    Yeah... Trump may be all you think he is... but at least he is piss!n off the criminals that have screwed the American people for the last 30 years while they got filthy rich.  At least he is exposing them to America... and maybe enough Americans will wake up if he wins again, and force the needed changes to occur.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

            "Real peace in this country will continue to remain elusive until we have properly reconcile these matters."

            This statement om the surface seems to be saying in some respect you feel the protests and resulting riots will continue until the problems of systemic racism are solved.  Perhaps you allude to some other form of peace?

            I might be missing something, but these protests and riots are being conducted in far-left Demacraric cities, and most of us have no idea what the protester are protesting...  BLM is pushing for law enforcement reform. It well appears we as a country agree with that need.

            Other than that, not sure BLM is representing black people's very large problems. In my view, you may have hooked your wagon to the wrong horse.

            They are causing a stir in Dem cities, but if they took their protests on the road to Republican cites, I can assure you their support would disappear. The troops would be called in by the demand of the people. Conservatives, appreciate law and order, and common sense would prevail.

            It well appears you feel the Democrats will offer solutions. Have they in the past? You had President Obama, did he provide solutions in good education, jobs, a better opportunity to obtain loans for business? He could have made strides in all of the above. Instead he sowed divison.And now tey exspect black people to vote for a man that just will not campagn due to COVID. All the states are open, we are conductig our lives with distansing and masks. I would think Joe could do the same. 

            Maybe time to realize, this is just another election with the same playbook, same promises. One Demacrat spoke out with the truth, Joe ---- "If you have to ask who to vote for you ani'nt black enough"...

            This is my thoughs, and honest opinion.

            1. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, perhaps another form of pressure. People become insensitive to protest over time with the unfortunate introduction of violence and vandalism. With it, a just cause loses the moral high ground and opens the way for opponents to attack the underlying objectives.

              I prefer intense litigation and economic sanctions such as boycotts, hitting the problem people in the pocketbook. I was involved in one such boycott against Coors Brewery in Colorado, back in the day.

              I am not so sure that Conservatives are on board regarding the need for police reform, they spend more time focusing on the"defunding of police" over needed reform of the SOP of these departments so that these entities may run properly.

              I am not on board with the idea of Republican and Democratic cities, almost  all larger urban areas have Democratic mayors, while Republicans are in charge of Mayberry and Hooterville. The residents of any city voted for a Democrat as mayor, that does not make them "Democrat cities". So, the contrasts and comparisons are unfair on its face.

              We all appreciate law and order and I will be the first to say "that enough is enough". But, I would sure like a better idea of the composition of those participating in the protests, or riots, if you like.

              I don't know, when one looks at the ROper Poll as to who voted for whom in 2012, Obama or Romney. Obama had a 93 percent support among African Americans, not exactly statistics that would have one think that the group was dissatisfied with Obama and his performance. WE knew that he did all he could in the face of relentless GOP obstructionism. It is interesting to note that the only demographic that showed Romney getting more than half the vote was among white males only. I wonder why that is? So, the only group that expressed dissatisfaction with Obama at the ballot box were mostly old white males. How would my interests be congruent with theirs?

              If Trump is allowed a second term, I can be sure that this nation will simply cease to exist in its present form.


              https://ropercenter.cornell.edu/how-groups-voted-2012

          3. GA Anderson profile image91
            GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Oh buggers, and my morning was going so well. Now I am distressed.

            GA ;-)

      3. GA Anderson profile image91
        GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        You say it's "the same refrain," but I didn't mention Democratic Socialists or socialism. My examples were more related to Pelosi and Cuomo, (neither are declared Democrat Socialists), and all Democrats relative to the "tax the rich" point.

        That may be "the same refrain" Cred, but it isn't one about Socialism or Democrat Socialists. That is just the groove you are stuck in.

        Also, with the exception of resisting change to the EC and our presidential election, when have Conservatives complained about "too much" democracy? That is a pretty broad extrapolation bud.

        GA

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Were not you the one that told me that unchecked democracy was equivalent to mob rule, as part of your for support of the EC? I guess that I did extrapolate that into meaning that too much democracy is not a good thing? That "exception" speaks volumes in itself, based on your previous justification for your position.

          1. GA Anderson profile image91
            GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            You got me, I have spoken strongly about the dangers of pure, (unchecked?), democracy, It looks like my error when I asked about Conservatives complaining because I jumped to the conclusion that your reference was to an electoral process other than the president rather than just the concept of "too much democracy."

            So . . .  I must backtrack on that question, I can only be hopeful that other Conservatives feel as strongly as I do about the dangers of too much, (pure), democracy.

            GA

  7. IslandBites profile image91
    IslandBitesposted 9 months ago
    1. GA Anderson profile image91
      GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Are you thinking that because he noted it was as "big stuff" without a proper tone of solemnity it was disrespectful? Or was it because he jokingly said he always wanted to get a Purple Heart?

      Of course, if we must judge Trump's words in the context of 'Trump-speak', (yes, we must, we must ;-) ) Then we must consider his comments; "Something very nice just happened to me . . ." and "Man, that's like, that's like big stuff . . ." as very respectful of the symbolism—in 'Trump-speak' of course.

      GA

      1. IslandBites profile image91
        IslandBitesposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Yeah, rationalizing must be cool but is getting old.

        But hey, like I said, and you just agreed, "so much respect". Yay.

        1. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Damn! You caught me "rationalizing." I must be doing too much of that lately because I didn't see my comment as rationalizing.

          GA

    2. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Context does matter --- Please watch the entire video. President Trump went on to express. how honored he was... perhaps you might have thought differently about this incident if you would have been offered the entire contents of the video, and you were provided full context. It appears you were willing to grab hold of the negative, and even proceed to post a soundbite of a clip out of context.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR66EoDQEt0

      1. IslandBites profile image91
        IslandBitesposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        I know what he said, I've watched what he said. It changes nothing. You're whole "context" thing changes nothing. He said what he said. smile

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

          37 seconds versus the full clip just did not provide the context of what was said. It did the job for what you hoped to hear that is clear. The president was clearly honored receiving the purple heart. I just object to a post that was clearly meant to skew the subject. However, it's your right to post anything you please. As it is my right to call you out on it.  I dislike seeing anything out of context, to me it's as bad as it gets.

          Yes, he said what he said. He said it three times ---" I am honored"  "Something very nice just happened to me ".He pulled the man onto the stage to shake his hand. Perhaps you disliked his tone, his diction.

  8. Valeant profile image88
    Valeantposted 9 months ago

    'Or Trump who represents a chance for upheaval and revolution within the Democratic party, which might sweep out those noted above, and allow politicians that may actually be representative of the people to regain control of at least one of the parties.'

    I agree that many in the old guard of both parties have long overstayed their willingness to work across the aisle and solve the nation's problems.

    But I also believe in three separate but equal branches of government.  With another Trump term, not sure either party survives.  The GOP is already gone, swallowed up by the Trump cult.  And he is actively working to convince that cult that Democrats are an enemy to his view of what the country should be.

    Everything he has done has been an erosion of our government.  He undermined the intelligence services right off the bat.  He nominated lobbyists who had been working against the mission of the departments they were tasked to run and all they've done is tear them apart.  What we see as a result is a government unable to function when a call to action was needed, such as in the Covid-19 crisis.  Now we've got him undermining the military's reason for service, knowing that the commander of the branches is someone who denigrates that service.

    What we are left with is 190,000 dead Americans because Trump fights against the most basic of necessities to solve a pandemic such as mask wearing and social distancing while undermining Governors who try and have lockdowns when case loads begin to overwhelm their state's medical capacities.  There's an economy in tatters because no one will fully engage economically until that pandemic is solved.   And a president unable to solve racial divisions because he cannot even acknowledge that a problem exists, and exacerbates the issue by going to pat the police on the back for a job well done in the town where they shot an unarmed black man in the back seven times.

    Biden may be the pro-corporate wing of the democratic party, but at least he's not actively working against the actual functioning of our own government (let alone making attacks on certain rights - voting, free press, and the right to peacefully assemble) or undermining the individuals who work there.  And one big difference is that Biden will allow people to have allegiance to our Constitution instead of swearing fealty to the president.  American doesn't need a king, we have a set of ideals designed by our founders.  Trump wants personal fealty - there is literally no way you can deny that fact.

  9. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 9 months ago

    https://hubstatic.com/15193587_f1024.jpg

  10. Valeant profile image88
    Valeantposted 9 months ago

    They are making it easy to spot those who have left reality behind and will believe anything Trump says, that's for sure.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Not sure how you come to your conclusion. It is more than apparent Trump supporters care very little about words that hold no truth or words that fluffy promises.  We follow accomplishments. In the end, Trump's accomplishments are concrete, factual. No matter how much-canned smoke surrounds them, they remain concrete.

      It would seem that it is not Trump supporters have lost the benefit of reality. It more appears anyone that who is able to deny his accomplishments has a problem with reality.

      1. Valeant profile image88
        Valeantposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        190,000 dead Americans.
        8.4% unemployment rate, doubled since he took office.
        Racial unrest he denies and cannot solve.
        Laughingstock internationally.
        Record Trade deficits.
        Record budget deficits.
        Decimated Agricultural Industry.
        Abandoned allies.

        We see his 'accomplishments' just fine.

        By the way, is it infrastructure week yet?  When's that new health care plan he's promised in 2016 and again this year being proposed?

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Now please take this as my opinion --- In regards to the Virus, no one could have done anything differently than President Trump. A new virus has no cure, no boundaries, and no way of testing until the kits are developed for that particular new virus. Nothing in our arsenal of meds or vaccinations would work to stop the spread. So buck up...   Testing was developed quickly, supplies were obtained quickly, extra beds were supplied quickly. He had no say so on what the governors of the individual states did. No input. He put together a good taskforce, with well-respected physicians and scientists. He closed the borders to China, and shortly after to Europe. He stipulated all Americans that returned be quarantined for 14 days. It is well known and proved that many Republicans and Democrats as well as Dr. Fauci felt the travel bans were not needed.
          He continues to work for a speedy safe vaccine.

          It is clear many Governor failed in their responsibilities.

          In regard to unemployment, it was the Governor's that closed their economies. And this was a prudent measure, so in my opinion, the economy collapses is not anyone's fault.  Actually the economy is coming back at a good pace. We certainly have a budget deficit due to one of the biggest crisis we as a country have had to endure.

          All of your other concerns are debatable, the majority caused by the pandemic.

          1. crankalicious profile image93
            crankaliciousposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            How can you say Trump couldn't have done anything differently when he continues to belittle those who wear masks?

            Perhaps we should start a campaign to force surgeons in operating rooms to go mask free because they look ridiculous?

            Really, I truly marvel at such a statement given Trump's disdain for basic safety protocols. And now, Bob Woodward's new book, backed up by audio, absolutely proves that Trump downplayed the virus from the beginning despite knowing it was serious.

            1. IslandBites profile image91
              IslandBitesposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Trump went into detail on Feb. 7 with Woodward about how airborne coronavirus was.

              He told Woodward, "It goes through air, Bob. That's always tougher than the touch. You know, the touch, you don't have to touch things. Right? But the air, you just breathe the air and that's how it's passed. And so, that's a very tricky one. That's a very delicate one."

              Despite that, he continued to hold six more rallies with thousands of people in indoor venues with no masks or warnings.

              He held one Feb. 10 in Manchester. Another Feb. 19 in Arizona. Colorado Springs on Feb. 20. Feb. 21 in Las Vegas. Feb. 28 in Charleston. And March 2 in Charlotte.

              Yup... no one could have done anything differently.

              1. Valeant profile image88
                Valeantposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Yeah, wow, good points on the timeline and the actions Trump still took after admitting how the virus was transmitted.

          2. Valeant profile image88
            Valeantposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Yeah, I've got major disagreements with your 'opinion' when you actually look at the inaction.

            First, in 2018, Trump removed the pandemic response team from China because, ' I don't like having extra people sitting around.'  He lacked the understanding of how vital these people were.

            When first briefed on the threat in mid-January of 2020, Trump was out golfing and took zero action.  There was literally a pandemic playbook left to him by the previous administration that he ignored completely.  No airport screening, no contact tracing put into place at ports of entry.  These are basics that a competent administration did on a national level during Ebola and did not leave those decisions up to the governors.

            Weeks after the virus had arrived in our country, it wasn't until the end of the month that Trump finally restricts Chinese citizens from entering the country.  His travel 'ban' still allows 40,000 others in from China.

            As for testing, the WHO offered us functional testing kits, which Trump turned down, causing major delays in getting those up and going.  Add to that Kushner's task force that was put in charge of a national program, but then failed to implement that plan because the virus was affecting only democratic-run states and they thought they could use the damage for political gain.

            When that Europe ban was implemented, it was put in place poorly and people were herded together in airports all along the east coast where many were infected - such as a friend of mine.

            As for a speedy vaccine, yes.  But it's clear by his politicization of the CDC and FDA, as evidenced by that blood plasma farce to start the RNC, that the mistrust American now have towards Trump needs to be extended to those places as well.  Only 33% of American trust a Trump government to deliver a safe vaccine - likely the same amount that would drink the Kool-Aid if he asked them to.

            The economies needed to be closed because of the inaction and faulty actions listed above.  It is the job of the president to keep the citizenry safe, and in this measure, Trump has failed, badly.  His failures have led to death and the destruction of the healthy economy left to him.  Trusting him to govern with the results we have seen from those failures is stupidity in my opinion.

            1. Ken Burgess profile image90
              Ken Burgessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              You just need to relax, lighten up, watch something to take your mind off how bad Trump is.

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpsX7VGlVoE

              1. Valeant profile image88
                Valeantposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                I'm too busy recovering from Covid to lighten up.

 
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