The outdated 2nd amendment.
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago
0Today , the NRA is the actual underdog ! .....Ya , right you say !............, But look at todays political climate . We are , at this very moment in time , surrounded by the leftist shortsighted view of liberty ! Of ALL liberties . So I offer you this , ....The left of any society from the beginning of time itself , right up until today and well into the future , is the absolute naysayer of all truths !
And all it boils down to the fact that the leftists are the ultimate free spenders of our liberties ! Our forefathers knew this plainly , our elected 17th , 18th , 19th and twentieth century leaders knew this as well . And , here we are , the right trying to protect and the left spending our liberty today !
Somebody should write this down , its a revelation . - Onusonusposted 9 years ago0
So let's say all you gun grabbers got your way and Obama takes away everyone's guns. Okay? All the guns in America are gone. But then Donald Trump gets elected president, and makes Bill O'Reilly his vice. Would you want your guns back?
There is one minor problem with your thought onusone, there are no "gun grabbers" to get there way, which, if such a group actually existed, they couldn't because PBO isn't trying to "grab your guns". In fact, he said VERY CLEARLY to that lady in the town hall who had been raped that he WANTED HER TO HAVE A GUN, just as he wouldn't mind the First Lady getting one as well.
But we all know that when the Middle and the Left say we don't want your damn guns, your side only hears what they want to hear, which is the opposite of the truth.This was intended for those who don't want guns. If it does not apply to you then why respond? And yes there are people on the left who would love to take away all the guns in America.
I bet there are a huge number of libs that won't give up their guns either.
Take Credence2 and his group for example. See his responses to suggesting that we start with the group that is the biggest problem.
Added all together the regime hasn't a chance unless they use underhanded methods.
His nads are in for more serious pain.Ok Doug, my group? HOw are they my group, we may be ethnic kin but that is as far as it goes. I have never lived anywhere near any ghetto or anything like it.
How do you suggest that we start with the group that is the biggest problem?
I am satisfied with Mr. Obama's job performance, sorry that you aren't.
My nads are fine, thank you, and they will probably stay that way
If I had a gun, I would hold on to it to protect me from the crazed rightwinger types.Have already stated to let law enforcement go after gangs and you had a hissy.
You don't want to take the guns from gangs because they are mostly black. No difference that most guns are likely unregistered and illegal. Go after any group that has illegal guns.
I have no problem with law bidding citizens to have their guns. 2nd and 14th.
You are not in the hot seat like Obama is, are you? No one is wanting you to go after guns like they are pushing Obama to do.
BLM has done a good job on filling that mentally challenged guy's head in Philly with that chant of theirs'. This is the type of thing Lerner should be clamping down on instead of some people's view of Islam! Where is the fairness? All for politically correct B.S.What are you, Gestapo? You go after individuals that are breaking the law. The police use legal and lawful arrest and detention techniques. Just because they are black, I am not going to have people rounded up indiscriminately like cattle. Just like a large trawler fishing net, you catch and release? That won't do. You better have probable cause, reasonable suspicion and be aware that harrassment will be sternly dealt with in the courts. And many of our people out of necessity have become quite litigious. So, the cops had better handle everything properly.
I will take the guns from anybody that are found not registered and hence, illegal. But I thought you guys were opposed to the concept of registration?
No, I am not in the hotseat with Obama, but again, I am not the President of the United States, who I think is always going to have different sort of day relative to myself.
BLm has its chant but so does Bundy and his clowns in Oregon... Fairness? The political right is very antithesis of fair, a true contradiction in terms.Not in this forum. Here, we go after people that might commit a crime (might be insane, for instance). And if we can't find a crime, we'll make owning a gun a crime. We'll throw every roadblock possible in the path of a gun owner, but is that really the right way to get an excuse to take their rights away?
And if we can't find a crime, we will make being a young black male a crime. I don't want to take anybody's rights away. This all started with preventing those will criminal records or mentally ill from having access to firearms and now here we are.
Ever see the science fiction film "Minority Report" with Tom Cruise?Don't think being young and black has ever even been discussed as being illegal.
But the mentally ill - the problem is knowing just who is "mentally ill". So far the most popular suggestion seems to be to test everyone wanting to buy a gun - a pretty obnoxious method of violating the second amendment. That and requiring doctors to violate the law by freely giving information to the feds about their patients. That should make people anxious to get help; see a shrink and lose your rights.
Since many have never taken the time to study American History, it is almost comical to hear their famous proclamations that are verifiably absurd. My perception of life is not ruled by a second, or a third party. In lieu of a written law, I am not bound to believe that a certain condition does not exist. But I have not chosen to stand so far above the world. It is only the world that has chosen to crawl so far beneath me.
It has always been illegal to be black in this country. And now it has also become illegal to be a human being. The police state is a reality. They are watching us everywhere we go, but soon the drones will fill the skies, so that no stone will remain unturned, and nothing will remain unseen. However, I have witnessed a vision of the coming dark days. And in my vision a fool was standing in the desert. He sounded a trumpet, and beat the drum, and then the fool loudly proclaimed: " It is not illegal to be human, I was only arrested for being born!"REVISED SHORT VERSION
I know Racism exists because it is illegal to be black in this country.
And now it is also illegal to be a human being because the police state is a reality.
They are watching us everywhere we go and soon drones will fill the skies and no stone will remain unturned. And nothing will remain unseen.
However, I have witnessed a vision of the coming dark days.
And in my vision a fool was standing in the desert.
He sounded a trumpet, and beat the drum, and then the fool loudly proclaimed.
It is NOT illegal to be human.
I was only arrested for being born!"
Yikes
The solution is very simple, but next to impossible to realize. It is simple because everyone has the power to end this evil yesterday. But it is next to impossible because the proletariat has been led to believe that we are powerless. We have been deceived through a capitalist system into believing that only money is power. We have been fooled by very clever individuals and entities into accepting the false notion that change can only come through representatives, and that we are not capable of representing ourselves.
The ruling elite have made a mockery of the working class by promoting the notion that by voting for representatives, We The People will have a voice in government, and control over our own destiny. But more often than not, these representatives only represent big money and special interests. These representatives enact laws and introduce legislation that further constricts our personal freedom, progressively criminalizes human behavior, destroys our environment, and makes us ever more dependent upon the federal government,
What is happening in Oregon is not the way to freedom. Ironically, guns and violence did not set the Americans free in 1776. The Bank of England still owned the colonies after the war was over. The United States is still a British Colony, although this is a fact that is not widely publicized. For if it was, too many people might start to notice that the Emperor is naked, and is wearing no new clothes at all. The only way to destroy and dismantle the police state is to kill the money, not the man. We cannot kill the money with guns. We can only kill the money with a change of heart and a change of mind, and that is the simplicity of the solution.
We all have the power to stop spending the money; to become truly self sufficient, and create our own wealth; true riches that cannot be measured by a banking system that is controlled and maintained by our oppressors. We must stop worshiping the large corporations like Nestle, Chevron, Ford, and Walmart through our patronage. And like the ancient Greek Gods, they will all fade away into the past. The human race cannot be reborn until all of these false "Gods" have died, and have been laid to rest. The police state only exists to maintain the power and control of these corporations. Islamic State and Al Qaeda are manufactured and imaginary.
What I have described here is very real. And what I have told you is no different than what Jesus told you, what Henry David Thoreau told you, what Errico Malatesta told you, and what Emma Goldman told you. I have simply told you in my own way. The American people have no choice but to follow this plan as quickly as possible. Otherwise, there will be no hope for America, or for the world. But I am confident this plan will be ridiculed and ignored, as well as I am confident that in the very near future, the American people will be living under conditions that are not far removed from the Auschwitz, Bergen-Belsen, or Treblinka Konzentrationslagers.
As I have stated before, I am prepared to help implement such a plan, and to help change the hearts and minds of the people. I have estimated the approx cost at 37 million dollars. My fee would be 3 million of that number.The solution: We can end the system of using certificates of productivity by changing our hearts and minds. From what (greedy?) to what? (giving?)
If it is so simple, why so expensive? and what will you do to earn your 3 million certificates of productivity?
produce something?Do you realize how many congressmen and Senators there are? Do you also realize that the average congressman makes $174,000 a year? Now do the math. For all the money you've been spending, take a good look at what you've got.
I'm suggesting a revolution; from the top to the bottom. Surely you don't think that such a monumental transition could be made for any less. And of course, there is a good chance that I have been too conservative in my estimate.
This may all seem impossible to you. But it won't be because you lack the intellect to comprehend, or to accept such a possibility. It may seem impossible simply because many Americans have succumbed to a relentless program of mind control. The people have been "wired" with a template, or a pattern to follow. What I am suggesting will not seem practical, or realistic to many because it does not fit the pattern. This programming is the first thing that must be overcome. It has been said many times, and it is very true: A slave who falsely believes that he is free will never try to free himself.
As far as my fee of 3 million dollars is concerned: I have estimated the transition will take approx. 3 generations to complete. In the meantime, it is only fair that I should receive a modest compensation for helping to save the world. Especially since so many worthless politicians have been getting so much for so many years to destroy it. The government knows what people like me are doing, and they really don't care. After all, they know that a majority will not believe in the benefits and the possibilities we have presented. They also know that ironically, we are helping them to create the illusion of free speech. Obviously, many people will conclude that if the government was truly evil, that someone like me would not be allowed to express his views. And so, it is a most interesting and clever Catch 22: Free speech is useless if nobody listens.
Nice thought, WrenchBiscuit, but, very, very unrealistic.
"Change hearts and minds" of people? Not going to happen except at the margins. Basic human nature has not changed in recorded history and will not change in future history. You cannot change "hearts and minds", you can only regulate it to mitigate the bad consequences of people freely exercising their nature.
All people are greedy (Id), the bedrock of a lot of human misery. Most people's ego, however, suppress the harmful side of greed, but many people do not. And that latter group knows how to take advantage of honest citizens; it is up to government to stop that, to regulate it.
There is NO economic system that won't lead to dictatorship when allowed to operate freely. Pure socialism is a complete failure because the authority (normally the gov't) which controls the means of production and distribution for the people quickly, and without fail, becomes corrupt from the unconstrained greed of those in power. Likewise, pure capitalism quickly devolves into dictatorship or a plutocracy of a very few wealthy individuals because there are no mechanisms to prevent the successful from using their success to prevent others from becoming successful. Pure capitalism is distilled Darwinism.
American capitalism has been most successful when properly regulated, which has only occurred from the end of WW II to the middle of the Reagan presidency.My Esoteric: I agree with you totally. Our government works best when there is a balance between socialism and capitalism. In this way, government regulates the greedy and the corrupt and provides those services that can be best served by government instead of private enterprise. Greed and corruption are a factor of human nature. There are those of us that can control it, but for those that can't there needs to be laws and regulations.
In economics, an externality is the cost or benefit that affects a party who did not choose to incur that cost or benefit.
Example of Negative Externality:
*Air pollution from burning fossil fuels. This activity causes damages to crops, (historic) buildings and public health.
*Water pollution by industries that adds effluent, which harms plants, animals, and humans.
Example of Positive Externality:
*A beekeeper who keeps the bees for their honey. A side effect or externality associated with such activity is the pollination of surrounding crops by the bees. The value generated by the pollination may be more important than the value of the harvested honey.
*The construction and operation of an airport. This will benefit local businesses, because of the increased accessibility.
Today, many conservatives worship at the alter of Ronald Reagan when he said that "Government is not the solution it is the problem." This created the stage for removing government regulations that prevented those negative externalities that are festered by greed and corruption.
There are conservatives that were not even born when he said that, but his legacy lives on. Sean Hannity calls himself a Reagan Conservative, but he wasn't even born at the time Reagan was in office. He doesn't even have a clue about the damages and corruptions the Reagan Administration caused. Just google the Savings and Loan Debacle for one. Or the Iran Contra Affair for another one. Without laws and regulations, greed and corruption will thrive.
"As I have stated before, I am prepared to help implement such a plan, and to help change the hearts and minds of the people. I have estimated the approx cost at 37 million dollars. My fee would be 3 million of that number."
This is rich. First you state the problem and then ask for it as compensation?
The solution is and always has been in our hands. I agree money is the basis for government in this country and is our moral conscience. It is the shortcut to freedom and power. Americans like shortcuts and power. It is why we support the Empire. This country has no moral barometer. It is wherever our greed takes us. If we were concerned about this government and our direction we would stop fighting among ourselves with unflinching positions and compromise for our own good. Yet we still want our way to our own detriment.
Our Constitution gives us the authority over the greed and corruption in Washington yet we prefer to sleep with jackals who we elect thinking there is some honor in it. We can require by petition a Constitutional Convention whereby we can impose limits on Congress and the way they are elected. We can never do this with the partisan bickering the current political elitist machine promotes and executes. We will only change when we are on the brink of disaster and that may be sooner than we think.
Term limits, publicly financed elections and lobby reform are our only hope. Sign the petition.
http://www.termlimitsforuscongress.com/index.htmlYes! 3 mill? Sounds greedy to me!
I have proposed in a hub to pay not in dollars, but in hour credits. Based on what it takes for the average family to live on. And a little more based on high expense areas.
The 2nd would stay as is. Only write it in todays language. Take out the spurious capitals and break it into tow sentences. As Jean Bakula has informed us to review every 25 years. The same with the whole constitution. Just keep records of the old as is done now.
As I reprieve you hinted at. Go back to a no party system as was originally practiced. This will stop a lot of bickering and save it for the best persons to fill the positions."I have proposed in a hub to pay not in dollars, but in hour credits. Based on what it takes for the average family to live on. And a little more based on high expense areas."
I'd like to see that contested in court. Bring in your timecards? Or bring in the going rate timecards? I can only see legal tender as the answer to such a complex and contentious idea as time trade.
"The 2nd would stay as is. Only write it in todays language. Take out the spurious capitals and break it into tow sentences. As Jean Bakula has informed us to review every 25 years. The same with the whole constitution. Just keep records of the old as is done now."
The Constitution was based on a system of civic service and warned of a take over by making offices with limited tenures. The lawyers have been over the Constitution with a fine tooth comb and have written loopholes into everything to protect and assure the status quo. The Constitution was also based on a vigilant press which has been bought with the rest of the politicians to be a complimentary force for disinformation through money.
"As I reprieve you hinted at. Go back to a no party system as was originally practiced. This will stop a lot of bickering and save it for the best persons to fill the positions."
I would hope for a weakened party system that does not reward those who serve it's purpose rather than the people who elect them. Not just Republicans and Democrats elect their own. A large Independent group and in some case cross overs vote these people in.
The Constitution serves the politicians and their masters who happen to be the highest bidder. We need to reverse that through the same system that now rewards them and not the people.What good is legal tender in a high inflationary environment? Unless you have gold or silver woven in or some other valuable material. The work hour credit would be like the forever stamp and always be worth what a hours work is worth at time of redemption. We are in a digital world today. If the system collapses legal tender won"t be so tender as toilet paper either. Back to real coins? If there is enough to cover all the highly leveraged supply.
I still say my favorite number of "0" is the best party number. It may take a temporarily 3rd party to get laws into effect to dismantle the party systems. As it may take to dismantle Obama careless and funding of Planned Parentmurder etc.
Yes! The constitution needs to be given back to the people. Not just some lifetime income opportunity for the few. It should be more like a giving of oneself for the benefit of others.
The 2nd still holds as there is threats of gov takeover, foreign and domestic today.
The libs keep crying about Fox and a handful of others. They control most of the rest. They want it all! So the right, conservatives, constitutionalist etc only have a few choices and that is why these media outlets are so big. Freedom of speech Mz Lerner!"What good is legal tender in a high inflationary environment?"
It is a basis by which us and the rest of the world agree upon. Granted it takes different shapes and values it is still what is traded. Oil and energy is interconnected to it and finding common ground with each other is what a monetary system is about. Both sides have to agree instantaneously for a transaction to take place. Basing it on a work credit requires a negotiation every time to determine it's worth. For instance is a doctor's time worth that of a road workers labor? Do the two have the same investment in their careers and the same amount of effort? Then if you agree that the doctors efforts are more, how much more?
"0" parties will take more work than fixing the Constitution to force government to perform for the people.Of coarse a doctors, pay is worth more credit hours than the basic minimum wage credit hour! The doctor or who ever decides how much his/her time is worth. Just like today.
My system, per my hub, is like a guaranteed min living wage for head of households.
Those not that are not head of households will get minimum wage like today except those hours will not depreciate with time as long as this system holds together.
I did mention a temporary 3rd party, until things can be straightened out. Just like on Jan 2016, it is going to take time for the Reps to dismantle Obama care and reinstate what we had before. Then have the options to choose. Getting rid of those mandatory birth control, sex change, etc. things
We won't. It is inevitable. We must be aware it is happening. We must maintain our right relationship with God through Jesus and be filled with the Holy Spirit.
OR Like Shakespeare(?) said "First we kill the lawyers."
FYI the Clintons & Kenyan-born Obama are lawyersSgt.Pepper; It sounds like you are really filled with the holy spirit, by wanting to kill Clinton and Obama. Praise the Lord!!!...Kill a lawyer for Christ.
I have figured it out. Those gun people who think Obama is coming for their guns are living in a state of denial. If they accepted that he wasn't, it would bring down their whole agenda like a house of cards. They wouldn't be able to whine about him coming for their guns and that is not acceptable to them or the NRA and gun manufacturers.Those who refuse to see Kenyan-born Obama IS The Antichrist are the ones living in denial. Get saved! Read your Bible & pray hard!
Sgt. Pepper: I pray hard for you and that someday, you will come to your senses.
As I do you. I go by Sgt PRepper. Sergeant Pepper is the Beatles album with all those Luciferians on the cover. Check it out!
YOU cannot tell the future, Sgt. Prepper
We need reality.
What is the truth today?
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I agree with Pepper's main issues. A little rough around the edges. A tweak or two is in order. Read and learn as Biscuits retorts often.
Obama lied to his college friends about his birth. Why? Because back then, and now, it was cool to be from a foreign country studying here and bashing the U.S. He continued this lie in his writings. Even continued it into his presidency. Until the heat got too much. Just read up on his mom. Stanley Ann Dunham and her goings on with Franklin Marshall Davis and others at the age of 17 shortly after the Dunhams moved to Hawaii.
He can't be the anti-Christ because the real anti-Christ has the world fooled and will be liked by almost everyone. Save for a few. Obama is liked by a few and fools only them and himself. A mere puppet and useful idiot of the NWO/real anti-Christ. Just as Islam is using the blacks and others for their world conquest desires. Just do a web search on what the Arab Islamics really think about blacks. Hitler's superior race crap comes to mind.
Another extreme case of useful idiots.Once us Christians are Raptured that will leave mostly just those who admire the man of lawlessness Obama and those who also admire the False Prophet Pope Francis. And that's just the way it is.
Sgt. Pepper – I have read my bible and I could not find the passage where it says: “thou shall kill lawyers and Clintons,” In fact my Bible says, thou shall not kill. I will pray for your misguided soul, because I can’t believe the Spirit you are filled with is Holy, no matter what Shakespeare said.
p.s. Sgt. Pepper Could you please furnish me with the Bible Chapter and Verse where it states that we need to kill Clinton and Obama or even just lawyers.
BTW -- Wasn't one of the men crucified with Jesus a lawyer and the other a thief? And I don't think either's birth place was in question.I have never even inferred that any "Clinton" be killed. Bill & Hellary do both belong in prison though. As for killing lawyers in general, that was Shakespeare's idea. As a taxpaying veteran and natural-born citizen I have repeatedly demanded the proper execution of this treasonous Kenyan-born usurper Bathhouse Barry. He is the "man of lawlessness" the Bible predicts. Surviving a fatal-blow will prove it.
Wilderness is making good points about mentally ill people. Many don't want to even see a doctor, or take their medications, let alone let the government know they have mental health issues. It would be ridiculous to expect such a person to go to a gun show and freely announce this information. I have a bipolar/depressed brother who lives out west. Thankfully he is not interested in guns.
One could also argue that the rights of pedophiles and sexual deviates are being violated when local residents are alerted of their presence. The names, addresses, and the crimes of these offenders are disseminated publicly via telephone, internet, etc., whenever they move to a new community. However, in spite of this invasion of privacy, the majority have considered that the rights of potential victims are worth more than the rights of a potential offender.
It should also be understood that a name and social security number can be matched against records in a database. The seller would be held responsible for such background checks. It wouldn't matter if the buyer was dishonest about his eligibility. Furthermore, wilderness makes the absurd assumption that every mentally ill person is going to be thinking about the Second Amendment, and their right to bear arms. Give me a break! It just ain't so! Contrary to what wilderness and The Sons of the Pioneers like to think about: guns, mayhem, and old dead white men that used to wear wigs, (The Founding Fockers) most people could care less about the Fockers or the Second Amendment. They don't even think about it! I hadn't thought about the Second Amendment for years until I ran across this Forum discussion.
I think about positive things. I write stories and essays about the coming apocalypse, the end of white privilege in the United States, the browning of America, inter-racial sex, and white flight back to Europe. Yes, I try to keep my focus upbeat. I don't like to think about guns and killing people. The points wilderness makes are points and perceptions that can only lead to the deaths of more innocent people.And I didn't know what the NRA was till this thread. Sure, I saw ads here and there. But reading on this hub you would think they are on every ones things to know list.
I would bet not one in 10 gun owners know what they are. To hear that they are the ones that is responsible for so many guns is just plain ridicules! How about Obama? Every time he rants on about guns sales take another big jump. You should be peitioning for him to keep his lying mouth shut.
Browning of America?? You mean like Africa? Name one country there that has less murders rapes, pedophilia than the U.S. Or one that isn't a hell hole. Uplifting? Whites did this! Whites did that! You and Obama are cut from the same racist rag!
Why round up all? Are you suggesting all blacks are bad? It is your fault as a group that so many black males are bad! You taught them hate during the small amount of time you where there and not out for nookie or whatever. Maybe not you personally. So why do you lump yourself in with them? I am half Irish. Most Irish don't condone what the bad Irish are accused of doing. The bad ones should be dealt with they say.
Just like BLM: "When do we want them dead? We want them dead now!" Show me anything close to the Oregon-Bundy-militia chant that I can't find nor never heard on th news.
Please post the chant if you know it.
You are for killing all cops because a tiny fraction of a percent of the over 600,000 are bad?
Am I to reason the regime, Sharpton , Jackson, the NAACP, you, etc are OK with this?
Where is Lerner on this? I am pissed at the politically correct biased one way crap.Doug: I'm sorry man, but I can't make sense of your ramblings. I do know one thing for sure. You claim you have no political affiliation, but I know for sure, you are a dyed in the wool conservative republican, because of what you write in your post. You just don't vote.
Ah yes, it makes my point. A picture is worth a thousand words.
This is for shooting! This is for fun!?? See vid, Full Metal Jacket on y-tube
I guess you missed the post where I am indifferent about the NRA. Even called them out with their blaming the mentally challenged as the main reason for gun violence. Unless they are calling the gangs all mentally challenged. Then mention them too. The NRA is your buggy man. I have me own.
Same with Mr O's rants that mass shootings are the biggest problem. Wrong! Not even close!
I reason, like many others, that there is a little frog boiling here. Gradualism, if you can comprehend. Why else rant about a tiny portion of the problem and ignore the worst?
Something just doesn't small right in whatever town that was.
I am not good at writing. Put too much faith in the reader being intelligent enough to figure out what I mean. So be patient and not pull an Obama all the time. (Jumping to the wrong biased opinion on a regular bases).
Can't help if it you can't follow or comprehend.
What do you need additional help with?
Also can't help if the libs are more evil orientated than some of the other groups. There are eviler groups you know? Or maybe you don't know!
Has very little to do with a party. Only more are in the Dems than in the Reps. A large number aren't in either. Evil people I am talking about here.
If I lean more toward the conservatives it is because they are more for the constitution than others? save maybe The Tea Party. That I reason is an off shoot of the conservatives. I am not a political scholar. You are the one labeling me.
Not voting is a hold over from me JW days. Left them a few years ago. Not everything they teach is wrong. Main reason I left is they don't believe in reincarnation and insist they are the onlyist that will make it out of the billions alive and that ever lived. Sounds like the BLM and Hitler and company.I studied/study with the JW and reincarnation is not scriptural. They speak of a 'paradise earth' after the 'great reckoning', according to them all that have chosen Christ and are still alive, will partake, those that are or will be dead will have the resurrection hope.
I am not a preacher here, I just tell you that reincarnation is not a 'Christian' teaching.The JW also don't vote for any person, issues only. You want to give up your vote for Hillary or Sanders? I have a hub on my beliefs.
The JW have changed words in their 1974 bible from their 2000 version. They claimed that every word was divinely inspired and correct in the 1974. Why change it then?
They claim Jesus is an archangel. Only two times in the NT is the term used. Neither time does it say Jesus is an archangel! One of those says he came in with an archangels' voice. Does not mean he is an archangel either. The bible says angels are messengers.
An archangel is just one over the various angel groups.
Common custom is to have someone announce the entrance of a king or Obama.
There where multiple archangels mentioned in the OT.
Do some research on the net of what other views are. The net is my new bible.
Check out those Nicene Council debates and such. The main one in 325 with extreme prejudice exercised by Constantine and his power hungry wife.
The JW's buggy man is Catholicism. Since the Catholics believe in the Apocrypha the JW don't.The KJ version had the Apocrypha in its version from 1535 to 1880's The main reason it was removed was to save ink and paper. A second was that not every Christian group had it. So it was acceptable to more group. Evil money rules!
Enough lesson for today. Please do some research. At least you didn't go to Islam!I don't agree with your observations and findings, but all this is for another forum venue. I have studied with them for over 20 years, looking at all the pros and cons of their beliefs. I can find as much to concern me with tdhe so called mainstream denominations of Christianity. It comes down to the point of to 'each his own', as the spirit moves you... When the call comes to show your cards, let us see who has the winning hand?
Because I have certain reservations, voting being one, and my pipe smoking habit, I have not made the commitment further.Was going to ask why you didn't or did get baptized. Then you added the reasons.
I was baptized in a Baptist church at the age of 6 and that was OK with me. Never did like the idea you had to be baptized a certain religion and your former baptism didn't count. One of the many issues I had/have with them.
Back to guns
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jeh … HAJP5JUA8R
This is all "noolite"
Jw's were forbidden from owning handguns until just recently, but in the WBTS' desperation to troll the underbelly of society for new recruits, they now need to embrace the NRA, and the lowlives that worship that organization.
Remember that when they trespass on your property.
Jehovah's Witnesses are now allowed to pack heat.
Just another reason to keep them off of your property and out of your neighborhoods.
Sort of sounds like when Jesus told them to purchase swords. (Not fully automatic ones though)
I can't believe this thread is still going. I try to check in once a day, mostly for the entertainment value. I see religion has entered into the discussion now. Jesus did say, "I come not in peace, but with a sword." It was during the Roman occupation. So he did believe he had the right to protect himself (if you believe every word of the Bible is true, and I don't). JW's believe every word is literal.
And yes, Reincarnation is not normally a Christian belief, unless you read the Gnostic Gospels. I believe it once was, but conveniently got left out later on when a group of men decided to write a Bible. The Nicene councils did change a lot of the meaning of the Bible. In a good way, I believe, because it mixed what was there with a lot of the old, pagan customs and holidays that were celebrated for many years. Constantine had to do that if he was going to get any cooperation from people.
There are many levels of expression. This is what the gun lovers cannot understand, as they are colorblind, and live in a black and white world: "You hit me, I hit you back." "You shoot me, I shoot you back."
But we can clearly see the world does not operate on one single interpretation. The gun lover will only focus on the physical interpretation of Jesus. But when we focus on the metaphysical aspect of Jesus, we clearly understand that no physical sword, nor any man made weaponry can defeat the forces of evil that operate outside of visible light; forces that are undetectable by the 5 senses.
The incubus and the succubus are feeding on many of these men who advocate guns and violence. Their thoughts have been influenced by inter-dimensional parasites, and they truly believe they can protect themselves with tangible force, because they do not comprehend the intangible forces at work in this Earth.
For Jean
That is why it is impossible to debate religious subjects. Everything is subjective and open to interpretation depending who is reading and interpreting.
I believe that the truth or one's acceptance is as individual as a fingerprint. We all are moved and convinced or not convinced by differing things. It is futile to try to make people believe.
I never have a problem discussing politics, but religion is something else.Hi Credence,
I couldn't resist when something about reincarnation caught my eye. It's always bad to discuss religion in public, unless you are with people who agree with you.
The topic of reincarnation is not included in Christian interpretation, but Jesus did speak of it.
It is in Christian Reality whether they want to go there or not.
Why are we mentioning reincarnation, Doug?It has to do with karma and Jesus saying all those that live by the sword die by it. Or those that take up the sword. Depending on who's interpretation you are reading. I did a quick web search on those that used a sword to kill in WWII. Ex Japanese soldiers admitted to using them on civilians and military personal. They are dying from non violent old age. So if not in this life than another. Same with famous. snipers of yore.
Some on hear have brought up that some how having a gun will mean that is how you will die.
Doug, let me make a clarification 'go after INDIVIDUALS that have illegal guns, that includes Blacks, Irish and Vulcans if need be. I am not for harassing entire groups of people because a few within the that are violating the law. I lump myself in with anyone being subject to illegal search, seizure and detainment, because if allow exceptions, I may be next. I do not have to like the people involved, but their rights are sacrosanct just as mine are.
Did I say anything about killing cops?
Whether BLM chants or not is insignificant, they bring attention to a persistent problem that needs attention. That's good enough for me.
Bundy and his band of Billy Bob's have made it clear that they "will shoot" any federal agent or member of law enforcement that tries to arrest or remove them from the federal property that they have illegally seized. This is a perfect example of white privilege in action. Black Lives Matter hasn't come anywhere near such defiance and criminal action. The greatest irony is that the land belongs to the Paiute, not the American ranchers. It is good to see the chickens coming home to roost; here in the "Land of the Free and the Greedy".
The MAIN reason I own a gun is to protect my right to own a gun.
Mr. Pepper sir, no one questioned your right to own a gun--but you have proposed to shoot lawyers in general and Clinton and Obama in particular, makes me think that the simplest back-ground check was not done when you purchased your gun.
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
No amount of rant , regulation , restriction or legislation HAS NOR CAN take guns from the law abiding man or woman in America !
Not in early America or in todays transforming climate . WHY ? Because you cannot have them !
With that stance alone , I ask anyone in these forums , What is it worth to try ?
AND who will step up and try it .? I know one thing the loudest anti- constitutional voices and people here are just that ..........loud .
Ask me,..... is it worth raising these arms to fight those who would , yes .
The entire meaning of this debate is just talk !More than just talk. Education , entertainment, venting, trolling, persuading, history, exposing, ranting. Even some spaming. Preparing some for election time.
What do you suggest we do? Anti-gun people take guns from gun owners.
Gun owners round of baddies.
Perhaps something milder. call you representatives and complain they need to do what they where elected to do? When it is on the ballot vote for you r particular view.Mr. Cutler, I am not against guns, jut assault weapons that make it easier to kill more people faster. Assault weapons belong in the hands of our military not ordinary citizens.
How about this:
Jesus advocated The Ten Commandments and would therefore agree with Thou Shalt Not Murder.
Murdering for conquest in a offense way is NOT the the same thing as killing in self-defense in a protective way. Of course it is best to run away fast and far if you can. which is why girls have strong legs. Men tend to use their arms and fight directly while the girls run off. Thanks guys.
So to shoot with a gun is very masculine approach. It would be good for all men to know martial arts, so they have an option to grabbing their guns and shooting them, ( with their hands / arms) ... even in self-defense.
If you ask me.
( Now, if we could only figure out if abortion is murder or self defense.
Would God please tell us this and a lot of other things.
well, I guess He does if we listen within.)
The problem with finding an answer is the question itself. More specifically,improper definitions. In the English language we have made a distinction between killing and murder. Of course, there is no distinction, as the end result is the same, and is not dependent upon intent.
A soldier killed on the battlefield is just as dead as the man killed in the street, the baby sucked out of the womb, or a cow whose throat has been cut at a local slaughterhouse. Dead is dead. Killing is killing. Murder is Murder. Men have decided that an act of "Murder" is unjustified, whereas "Killing" can often be justified. And so, they have found a reason to make a distinction. But by making such a distinction it has only created confusion. Murder and killing are synonymous, and any distinction made is only a popular fiction used to assuage the conscience of those who cannot face reality.
Yes abortion is murder. There is no doubt about it. Killing a cow, goat, or chicken is also murder. The question is not: "Is it murder?" but "Are you comfortable with murder?" Because of all of the killing we see being done in the world, we can understand that the answer to the latter question has already been confirmed by a majority. Yes, human beings are quite comfortable with murder.Wrench , your rants sound so out there , Let me ask you something , do you "kill " mosquito's that bite you at music camp ? As you walk barefooted across your lawn do you "kill " ants or grasshoppers blindly ? What about when you're eating sushi, 'kill " any fish lately ? Or as you make your daily salad do you 'kill " a lettuce plant when you take the leaves ? Kind of being a little weird aren't you ?
Gotta' love liberal hypocrisy .Actually animals, and maybe plants, have given animals,including man, permission to kill them for food if they can't, and sometimes don't try to, get away. There are those that are like horse wispers and can read the minds of animals.
They just say do so in a humane and reasonable fashion. Some animals even expect and accept to be killed by another for food. Tis how God intended?
So, hunting is not murder as some wacko(s) here thinks, in a lot of cases.
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
First mistake liberals make is actually associating guns AND gun violence , That's kind of like directly associating the rape of a woman and wanting to ban sex . Or associating the loving of children and perversions of child pornography .
But then , who the hell can understand the mentality of the leftists anyway . They definitely have delusional problems with accountability , they always have , I shouldn't be quite as judgmental with some on the left as there are many decent democrats out there , however this thread has been slanted by naiveté from the very beginning .
Most people know that 99,999, percent of both guns AND gun owners probably never even break a law while they hunt or target shoot , the stupidity from the extremist left is the problem here . And the problem here is interpretation of reality .onhorseback has shared a wonderful comparison with the Hubpages community.I am sure the two hillbillies from "Deliverance" would agree with his wisdom. Here I have presented my analysis for your review.
Sex vs Rape
Sex: With sex we can have fun, but most importantly, with sex we can procreate. That means make more people to replace the ones who are dead and dying. That seems to be a good thing.
Rape: Rape is violent, invasive, and traumatic. Rape also causes physical and mental damage, as well as unwanted pregnancy.
Guns vs Gun Violence
Guns: Guns are made primarily to kill people or animals. Inanimate objects used for target practice usually represent people or animals.
Gun Violence: Gun violence is the result of using a gun for it's intended purpose.
As the reader can clearly see, the superior intellect understands that such absurd comparisons are formed in the mind of adolescents, and conservatives who regularly watch Fox News, and admire men like Rush Limbaugh, Idi Amin, and David Duke.I don't think Donald Trump wants to kill anyone with a gun, he just wants to starve poor people who live on Social Security and go to the doctors on Medicare by taking access to away.
I know, I know Donald said he would not touch SS and MC. That was yesterday, today is a new day, THE DONALD IS A LIAR!!! But, I can only hope and pray you don't get the chance to find out.If Donald Trump is anything, he is expedient. He offers as much red meat as the cheering crowds can handle.
Translation: Proposals and ideas that are unrealistic and unworkable, but makes HIS crowd feels good because he verbalizes frustrations most of them have of not being able to actually 'turn back the clock" any place, anywhere with the exception of 'Never-Never Land'. But, based on its namesake, it might not happen there either.The Donald is so popular because the people are fed up with what they have there now.
Time will tell when he boots the Obamas out and starts dismantling. Would like to see Cruz as vice. And Farina instead of Lerner.Now there are issues with Cruz being born in Canada. His Mother was an American citizen, but his Father was a Canadian one. The couple were in the oil business, and lived in Canada when Cruz was born. The Mother later got dual citizenship when the family moved to the U.S., and Cruz says he didn't know all this. He always thought he was an American citizen, and renounced his Canadian citizenship when this came to light. I don't know, most kids are told the story of their birth over and over so many times they want to scream, so it's hard to believe he didn't know. He was a clerk in the Supreme Court, and probably all the justices would rule differently anyway.
I'm trying to be neutral, it's hard to decide. If the Mother was a U.S. citizen and the baby was born in another country, the baby would be an American citizen. This is different. McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone, but that was an American territory then. How do others view this? And should a U.S. President have to be born here? I think they should (and let's not get into Obama and the Kenya thing, he produced enough documents and was vetted anyway, he was not obligated to supply the public with more info). This is a tough one.You always know who the mother is. Who is the real daddy of Obama?
He got elected off his mama's citizenship only. Since all the phony stuff indicated the Kenyan patsy as the the dad. So what's wrong with Cruz's mom being the one to carry his citizenship just like Obama if it was accepted he was Kenyan born? Double standard?
Obama was born in Hawaii. He lied about Kenya to impress his school buddies because it was so cool to be a foreigner and bash the U.S. He continued the lie till the phony certificate was forged. His Kenyan grandmother did not say he was born there. She was acknowledging that some town was in Kenya and did witness babies born there. Perhaps the Kenyan patsy's other kids. Not that Barry was born there. Ann Dunham, his mom, was never in Kenya.
So, Obama was born on U.S. soil age.
There is heavy suspicion Obama killed / had someone kill his white grandma in Hawaii so it would not get out that his mom and dad where communists. And he lied about her death so he would appear to be back in the U.S. at time of her death. Died Oct 23. He claimed Nov. 2.No Doug, I agree the citizenship should rest with the Mother. It's not a double standard. The situation seems a little different to me, as the couple remained living in Canada, they didn't return to the U.S.
All it said about residency was 14 years. Prior to, after, combined??. Unless you can prove she didn't have that and didn't renounce then Ted is U.S. He has been here over 14 years too. Ted went to high school in Texas and I would guess he stayed in Texas until becoming a senator.
Obama's mom had 18years prior. Then she was off to Indonesia them back.
All this and more is readily available on the net. The best truth educator I know of. Just because Credence2 and My Esoteric want to believe the regimes lies. They can't handle the truth. I hate lies. I will accept ignorance of those that were taught wrong. But out and out liars like those of the regime! No! and Hell No!! The movie about Benghazi "Thirteen Hours" tells the truth and refutes that of the regime. Who vetted the movie? The ones that were there at the time that the regime hush hushed. Despicable Mrs. Clinton telling those morning the deaths it was because of a video! I will side with the other side before siding with the known bold face liars of the regime!
And to bring it back home! The regime is lying about gun violence. It is going down and not up. Actually: more terrorist type deaths were committed by Islamics than all the other groups since 9-11. Go after them.But the web can be a great purveyor of falsehood as well, just depending on where you are to focus your gaze. Is there any for me to believe that either you or your sources are not lying just to promote your own twisted point of view?
This is from Fareed Zakaria, a noted and world wide, well respected CNN investigative reporter. He was trolled last week. We can all learn from this. Some on this forum are posting false information and believing it to be true. When in fact, their source is nothing more than Internet Trolling.
Here in his own words is his experience in being trolled last week.
"It started when an obscure website published a post titled “CNN host Fareed Zakaria calls for jihad rape of white women.” The story claimed that in my “private blog” I had urged the use of American women as “sex slaves” to depopulate the white race. The post further claimed that on my Twitter account, I had written the following line: “Every death of a white person brings tears of joy to my eyes.”
In my own experience, conversations on Facebook are somewhat more civil, because people generally have to reveal their identities. But on Twitter and in other places — the online comments section of The Post, for example — people can be anonymous or have pseudonyms. And that is where bile and venom flow freely. The Post’s Dana Milbank recently quoted a tweet about a column of his that said, “Let’s not mince words: Milbank is an anti-white parasite and a bigoted kike supremacist.” The comments about me were often nastier.
Elizabeth Kolbert, writing in the New Yorker, recalled an experiment performed by two psychologists in 1970. They divided students into two groups based on their answers to a questionnaire: high prejudice and low prejudice. Each group was told to discuss controversial issues such as school busing and integrated housing. Then the questions were asked again. “The surveys revealed a striking pattern,” Kolbert noted. “Simply by talking to one another, the bigoted students had become more bigoted and the tolerant more tolerant.” This “group polarization” is now taking place at hyper speed, around the world. It is how radicalization happens and extremism spreads.
I love social media. But somehow we have to help create better mechanisms in it to distinguish between fact and falsehood. No matter how passionate people are, no matter how cleverly they can blog or tweet or troll, no matter how viral things get, lies are still lies."
From me:
Just because you can find information on the internet in multiple places about Obama and tyranny and conspiracy theories and the end times and the rapture does not make it fact. However, it will support your agenda. But lies are still lies, even if you believe them and they can cause extremism.
I hope common sense prevails in this forum, not extremist conspiracy theories about Obama murdering people, birth rights, tyranny, rapture, and the end times.
If you are interested in Fareed's video, here is the link. it explains more about the effects of trolling.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2016/01/16 … 7-take.cnnThanks, People power. Those of us that know Fareed Zakaria as a professional journalist and contributor knew that such a message would be most unfounded and inconsistent relative to his renown reputation.
These are just an example of the ugliness that is found in those desperate to sowing seeds of animosity among us. Thanks I will check the video.credence2: You are welcome. To everybody, as the OP of this forum, I think we should all get back on the topic of this forum which is the 2nd Amendment and Gun Control. i understand that politics is all part of the topic, but making false accusations, spewing vile hate, target shooting of pictures of Obama and his family, and conspiracy theories that can be evidenced only by trolling sources, should not be part of this forum.
I have come very close, many times to reporting those doing the trolling, but I do believe in the first amendment of freedom of speech. So I let it go. Just because one can find several instances of the same trolling sources does not make it fact. Here are the facts from fact check.org. about his birth, and the source of the falsehoods. Fact check. org is a non-partisans site, run by the Annenberg Foundation, not a bunch of trolls, established by rumors.
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/05/was-ob … n-the-usa/
I still know people who believe that anything they read in a newspaper or on the web is true. Some people think police are always right when they arrest people, but they don't have all the facts at the time, the person should be considered innocent until proven guilty. But I see more of a rush to judgment now, and people are considered guilty until proven innocent, and even then some don't want to believe in the person's innocence. Sorry peoplepower, I won't post anymore. This got way off topic.
Jean: You can post. I'm just tired of all of these people who are getting their information from other trollers and presenting it as fact. I'm looking forward to hearing your opinions and views on this very controversial subject.
. Thanks. I understand. This forum has been going for a long time, and a few are out of touch with facts.
Yes, Jean, continue to post, we need same people here.
Well, Jean, the vote is unanimous, you gotta stay!
Ah, thanks guys! Always nice to meet like minded people!
BTW, in My Esoteric-speak "same" means "sane" as in "Yes, Jean, continue to post, we need 'same' people here."
Obama had his grandmother killed? Perfect example of what is proven everyday is what I always suspected of reactionary type rightwingers, completely devoid of reason and prudence.
This premise of yours is completely ridiculous!!Cutler knows he is ridiculous; he loves to wallow in it like a pig does in mud.
ahorseback: Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people. You have a way of writing that makes your assumptions, accusations, and insults sound like fact. I'm sure in your own mind, they are fact, but not to me. You make comparisons of false equivalence. A rape of women, therefore, ban sex. If a child is loved, we have to ban pornography. How many liberals have you heard say that?
You may be a poet, but your writing style wreaks of hyperbole and exaggeration. You called this forum naive, just because you want to keep your guns. You can't seem to get into your naive mentality, no one is coming for your guns. if you don't believe it, that's your problem, not the problem of the left.Peoplepower ,
Quite frankly , its statements like ;
"Guns were designed for one purpose , to kill"..........
" The second amendment is outdated ".........
That show the ultimate naiveté ......No, -the absolute blindness of the left . If you don't like my statements or represented facts , perhaps you need to buff up on common sense !
You are the one assuming that you can , what ? Change the peoples minds who like gun hobbies , hunting , shooting or have the desire to arm themselves against crime infested neighborhoods ?
I have a suggestion for you Peoplepower , If you have a distaste for those who disagree with your uninformed rants or for those who DO defend the constitution , remembering that YOU started this thread , then don't read our posts ! Better yet , open your mind to reality .I say he should read comments. He learned a lot. Even said so himself. Admitted to be wrong about the mentally challenged not being the biggest problem area.
Learned who Lerner is. Got a history lesson here and there. Just don't comment back on ahorseback's comments.
Just a suggestion and observation
Fortunately our Second Amendment is a permanent, natural, God-given right to Keep&Bear arms(own and carry guns) no matter what other kinds of changes are made through amendment and judicial legislation on the Federal-level. From time to time the Tree of Liberty needs to be fertilized with the blood of patriots and tyrants. Can't wait to see this Kenyan-born usurper's blood fertilizing that tree.
Sgt. Pepper. There is nothing in the 2nd amendment or the constitution that states it is our god given right to anything. Obama was not born in Kenya, but in Hawaii. The only blood you are going to see is the blood that is clogging your eyeballs to reality.
The very first thing you people need to do is pull your heads out of the sand and open your eyes. The Republicans & and the Democrats are both reading from the exact same script for their New World Order. They have been playing good-cop/bad-cop with the electorate for many decades. They are two sides to the same coin and there's not a dime's worth of difference between those parties.
The evil-cabal of global-elite owns them all and manipulates their every action. Same with the mass-media. They own and control CNN, BBC, npr, FoxNews, all major newspapers and book publishers. They are force-feeding us a constant stream of pablum and a diet of fairytales. Sports, soap operas, reality shows, etc are all diversions while they pump our bodies with vaccines, fluoride, chemtrails & genetically modified crops and meats that contain little nutrition.
They want us fat and docile so we are easy to control. They want most of us "useless eaters" dead. They want us hopeless and damned to Hell along with Antichrist Obama, False Prophet Francis & that devil Allah.
Jesus Christ provides our ONLY means of escape.- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
"Shall not be infringed "
Talk about the mis-use of a constitutional right . Free speech should be banned ,of all our rights it is the most misused , it is outdated , the language has changed , pick up any historical "English " document and try to read it and what happens , we stumble though reading or understanding that document , free speech is the most dangerous weapon in the world .
It kills people too , every time a leader of this world opens his mouth to give a speech , someone is increasingly apt to die . Adolf Hitler held millions of troops at rapt attention in any one of his speeches and what happened ? Eleven million Jews were immediately killed and probably another ten to fifteen million people were killed by Russia during the same era . And they were not even simply killed with guns were they ? They used the exhaust out of gasoline powered trucks, cyanide tablets , buzz bombs , BUT , all of it began with speech . Russia simply worked people to death when they ran out of lead for bullets , The Russian gulags were one of the greatest inventions of free speech , so were the killing Fields of Cambodia .
Ban Free Speech now, it is long outdated , before it hurts even one more child !
Does this make any sense ?
No?
Neither does this entire thread ! The govt. is really only to protect the citizens from foreign threats. The citizens are to regulate themselves The citizens are to regulate themselves The citizens are to regulate themselves The citizens are to regulate themselves The citizens are to regulate themselves The citizens are to regulate themselves
… and THEREFORE have the right to form militias if they so choose with whatever weapons they deem suitable for any confrontation that arises. Its in their hands, if need be.
… Now, if the govt. is trustworthy, the govt will protect the citizens from outer threats by activating the military. Why is the govt capable of this? Because we pay them the money they need to create an appropriate military.
However, should the govt. suddenly get too big for its britches and lose sight of its actual mission, as govts often do ... due usually to the love of power or money and usually both, or in this case hatred of a particular larger group which is regarded as suppressive … then the people can revolutionize. Thats the revolution! Not changing The Constitution.
Yes, we can amend but NOT change The Constitution.
It was founded on eternal truths:
We are a race of emotional, often irrational human beings. That will never change. But we are trusted to rule over our own emotions and come to our own conclusions, based on love and logic from within, to solve our problems. Thank You Founding Fathers
What also will never change is the fact that we love freedom and self-sufficient independence.
We do not want to be told what to do or how to do it by anyone but ourselves and those we have chosen to listen to. Especially not a govt who knows nothing about us.
For instance, I am currently being forced to pay a fine because I choose not to sign up for insurance.
Is this right for the govt to do? The govt knows nothing about my beliefs or convictions regarding health or regarding my finances or how I choose to acquire them. Therefore it should stay out of my business. I will get health insurance if and when I want it and am able and willing to pay for it.
I should not in any way whatsoever BE FINED
To be continued.
.The revolution:
This is accomplished by the vote.
This is accomplished through freedom of speech.
This is accomplished by majority agreement.
This is accomplished by thinking people who need a change and enact it.
The current problem is not about about $$$$$$
It is about the haves and the have nots.
*It is about the actual inequality of the ABILITY to acquire.*
~ Not the inequality of OPPORTUNITY to acquire, although the people are unwisely allowing the govt to take that opportunity away through an overabundance of Govt. run programs.
Is this assessment incorrect?lower prices and lower taxes.
lower prices and lower taxes.
lower prices and lower taxes.
Thank you.
How can this happen?First get rid of all unnecessary gov't programs including a lot of public schools and universities. Lower congressional pay! Lower the amount and limit the length of time people can collect welfare, food stamps and Unemployment Compensation! Continue to increase the supply and lower the demand for oil! Keep illegal-aliens out and deport those already here! Lower the minimum-wage but establish a maximum-wage of say $250,000 a year including CEOs & lawyers.
Allow those who have contributed to Social Security for ten years to voluntarily take a paid one-year or two six-month sabbaticals and delay how soon they can collect full-benefits.These seem controversial:
1. Get rid of all unnecessary gov't programs including a lot of public schools and universities.
2. Lower congressional pay. Maybe …?
3. Continue to increase the supply of oil ... Why?
4. Lower the demand for oil! How ?
5. Establish a maximum-wage of say $250,000 a year including CEOs & lawyers. ?Thank you for considering the suggestions I made off the top of my head. I haven't taken the time to think them all through. Certainly spending one-penny on this global-warming nonsense is like throwing it down a high school hallway. There is a great liklihood the global-elite are using the rest of the world to help them get at any oil & mineral deposits in Antarctica. Lower taxes and less government go hand-in-hand. All I want is #1-Obama to be gone. #2-Lower taxes. #3-Lower prices. #4-A much smaller government. #5-More private schools & homeschooling. We can do this all with birther-Trump as President.
Sgt. Prepper: Global warming is a scientific issue, not a political issue. The world's oceans are warming. This creates more energy, that is converted to severe storms throughout the world. It should not even be open to discussion by politicians. It's evidence is seen in this country by the severe storms we have been having and how they cause mass destruction of people's property and loss of lives.
If so-called "global-warming" isn't a political issue why did that idiot Al Gore write a book about it? Global-warming is being used to unite the nations into a NWO nullifying each nation's sovereignty and founding documents. Kenyan-born Obama WILL soon head the UN as king of the world. I hate Big Brother Obama.
Sgt. Prepper: Writing a book and presenting scientific evidence are different than debating it politically. I don't know where you live, but I just hope it is not close to coastal waters, because you will feel the effects of global warming and El Nino. And even for those in the mid-west, tornadoes and storm systems are getting stronger. But that's O.K., it seems to be a trend for conservatives or whatever you are to be in denial about facts.
The denial of facts is what really bothers me. All the conservatives say, "I'm not a scientist, but I don't believe in climate change." But they are all gynecologists when it comes to women's health care. I agree that they only care about life when the fetus is in the womb. They never support programs for the often destitute women who have been deserted by the fathers, and have no way to buy food or diapers, and later, Head Start gets cut, so the young children start school knowing less than their peers. My son is an elementary school teacher and sees the difference between those who have been to nursery school and Pre-K and those who haven't. It's a large learning gap, so those kids who haven't been to any programs start out much lower educationally than their peers.
Also, this whole label issue of "Conservative" and "Liberal" is beginning to annoy me. It's like if you are one, you agree with all of Column A, if you are the other, you agree with all of Column B. I think most people have differing views and are conservative on some issues, more liberal on the others.
Oh, and we can't say "liberal" anymore, it's "progressive"progressive vs. protective
The parties can benefit each other in the long run by balancing and considering the pros of each other.
HA!If they would only stop being so paranoid and would have those talks, they may not agree on everything, but would find they agree on SOME things.
In speaking of the disparity in education you reveal your humanity. Of course those having the advantage are more likely to succeed. It is the law of cause and effect. This is a simple concept for a human being to understand. But the gun lovers apparently have a difficult time with such concepts.
For instance, A 12-year-old Pennsylvania girl (the pretty little girl in the photo) was home sick from school when she was shot and killed this week by a constable serving her father with an eviction notice. The girl's father, 57-year-old Donald Meyer, pointed a loaded rifle at Constable Clark Steele and Steele fired a single shot in return, the bullet traveling through Meyer's arm struck and killed 12 year old Ciara Meyer, who was standing behind him.
Of course there are many who will blame the father, and there are those who will blame the cop. But to confine our focus to either perspective is foolish, as neither approach can deliver us to a better place. The superior intellect understands that by changing the mindset of the people, so that the people will no longer consider the firearm to be a means of protection; the first or last resort,we can avoid these senseless tragedies.WB, the firearm and those obsessed with them are really about the bolstering of fragile egos, rather than true issues surrounding serious self defense. 360 million guns makes possible a lot of "defense".The vast majority of these people don't have a self defense justification for keeping them. It acts as a symbol of masculinity for those that need such things. It reflects a less evolved sensibility in this modern world.
The main reason I own a gun is to protect my right to own a gun.
What makes you and that charlatan shaman Biscuits experts on anything.? That stupid ass Obama doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut. Doing the same thing over and over again thinking a different result on his false rant about gun violence. Best gun salesman ever!
Even if they stop all gun sales now there will be enough out there. Try and take them and see what happens. Better to leave alone.
I have more mowers then I need too. Like to work on them and have a few to sell. Don't need them all. What does such have to do with masculinity symbols?
It is charlatan shaman Biscuits that obsesses over man members and Viagra! Whats up with that? Sounds like a shortage of something going on there!. You want to be accused of same?
Well said. Such a tragic incident too. No parent should have to outlive their child, though we see so much of it, whether it's from shootings, or from disease. We could discuss how the pharmaceutical companies overcharge so much for medication that so many can't afford, but this thread is all over the map as it is.
Jean, true, following either column A and column B is not exact because often times the lines blur. You can look at this forum and see that in MOST issues of the day conservatives have one set of ideas and liberals have another, there is a strong correlation there. You name it abortion, guns, economics, etc We see the same people advocating the same things. If we were all better blended the two political parties would be no where near as contentious in their relationship with one another as they are now. Its all black or white, especially with the conservatives. Would a 'moderate' conservative group even consider candidates like Trump or Cruz? Look at the beating Nikki Haley gets from the rank and file of the GOP after her rebuttal speech to the SOTU, calling the GOP to a more moderate course. They're now accusing her of being a RINO.
I guess you don't read all posts. I and others have enlightened those here on the goings on of Mz Dunham and Mr Davis, the real dad. It makes you look uneducated and less believable to keep blaming the Kenyan patsy. Congress, the justice system, lawyers, etc have determined that Berry is indeed a citizen because his tramp mom was, a whore, oops, I mean a natural citizen and hadn't given up said citizenship before he popped out on the U.S soil of Hawaii. Even if he was born in Kenya he would still be a citizen by virtue of his mom being so. Makes no difference who the dad was. Unless you can prove otherwise, this is me story I will stick to it. The regime could help with some DNA on his ass. If they haven't done so already. They could show and tell! And not the phony certificate they illegally forged.
Al was in it for the power and money.Doug: I told you before, just because you find stuff on the internet that agrees with your agenda does not make it fact. As far as me looking uneducated, I have held off on telling you this. But since you insulted me with your claims, I have often wondered what your education is with all the grammatical errors and miss-spellings in your writing. It takes no education to post what you post on this forum as your beliefs. You just find stuff that agrees with your way of thinking without doing any fact checking and run with it.
No, sorry, I don't read "all posts" or even all articles. I have read all of yours on this thread and didn't want to get into a urinating-match. Even if Bathhouse Barry was born in Hawaii, which he wasn't, his father's nationality would have been the controlling factor and little Barack's pornstar mother was underage. A simple reading of the British Nationality Act of 1948 and the 1952 U.S. Code clearly shows that baby Obama didn't even have a clear-claim to any kind of dual-citizenship with the U.S. much less a claim to be a "natural-born" citizen of ANY country. Grandma Sarah Obama has repeatedly insisted she was present in Mombassa when the turd was pooped out and an older half-brother to BHO was there as well. The First Ladyboy said "We visited my husband's home-country of Kenya." BHO has also repeatedly proudly proclaimed "I was born in Kenya."
In 2008 Lucas D. Smith smuggled this usurper's real Birth Certificate out of Kenya. On page 26 of "Dreams from My Father" Obama wrote he found his "birth certificate" among some papers. Whatever happened to THAT Birth Certificate?
I have found that it is usually men with lesser endowments, and a rather dormant sex-life, who make such disparaging remarks about white women who prefer black men. I have never felt threatened by any man, regardless of race, as I have not only been endowed with a great intellect, but I have been active since the age of 14 in servicing Gods greatest work.You are not disputing the facts? Unlike you, I do not spread a bunch of falseness.
If God's work is to inform us about the evil white man you are doing a good job.
I wouldn't consider that noble. So, if you would like to redeem yourself perhaps you could en lightness us as to the nature of this great work. I think God would like that too.
There are warnings all over the net about: The Cherokee Nation is overwhelmed with those charlatans who fraudulently claim to be shaman,
Mr. Cutler, I would bet that Mike (Peoplepower73) reads every post, and this probably gives him a chuckle.
You say that you and others have enlightened those here on the goings on of Mz Dunham and Mr Davis, the real dad. Whose real Dad?
If you are referring to Ms. Dunham the mother of President Obama, did you know her and know who she slept with? You call Mz. Dunham (your words) a tramp and a whore. How would you know that? How does that make you LOOK well educated? And everyone else less educated?
You said Congress, the justice system, lawyers, etc have determined that President Obama, is indeed a citizen because (I will use my words here instead of you slanderous, sexist, bigoted ones) his mother was a natural born citizen, when (your words) Obama popped out on the U.S. soil of Hawaii. (I am surprised you admit that OUR/My President is a natural born citizen, and yet you state that President Obama’s birth certificate is illegally forged.
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.
I know one thing Ms. Dunham raised one hell-of a intelligent EDUCATED man.
But there are 200 countries that bought into the hype of global warming!
Just like the 200 (actually millions) new voters Obama got because of all the goodies promised them from U.S,s teat.
Another topic is the drumbeat of white privilege crap. It turns out that it is the evil Asians that have more millionaires in their population in comparison to population % in the U.S.
http://www.statista.com/statistics/3005 … ethnicity/
% that are millionaires: White 76, Asian 8, black 8, Hispanic 7, other 1
% of population 63 5 13 17 3 from other sites
You can clearly see it is the Asians that have taken the blacks share the pie.
You should use them as an example as how it is done instead of whining. Pun intended!
Stay home and teach yo young positive instead of all the negative you have drum beaten into them about whites owe them. Education and moderatio!
The group that should be complaining the most is the other. That be Biscuits group. But not him. He is way too negative.200 countries are a lot of countries that have bought into the hype according to you. What makes the vast majority of the world wrong and you right? What are your credentials?
Maybe all those people are voting for Obama because his opponent had less to offer. This 'goodies stuff' is stupid rightwing crap. What makes you so noble, and what are your 'goodies'?I am an outside observer like a JW but not one. And can see the evil from all involved.
Have no goodies to get or give other than some jewels of knowledge and moderation in all things.
Greed and laziness are pee poor reasons to elect someone just to get and not care about others. Like the ones that end up paying and working hard! I would be ashamed to be of a party that did such, if I had a party to start with. But am stuck footing the bill regardless of what party is in. Better here in the U.S. than anywhere else though. So, I buck up and trudge on.So, Doug all of these people elected and reelected Obama so that they can get free cell phones? Really?
So, it is only the conseratives that pay and work hard, boy have you been duped by Fox News and rightwing propaganda.
Conservatives pay all of the bills so liberals can live carefree, right? I am a liberal type that you abhor so much, I have to pay taxes. I blame people like you for supporting the rightwing greed based corporate structure and the selfish powergrabbing aristocrats for the state that we are in.There you go again with lib sheeple mentality. There are exceptions in all groups. I believe in individual effort. If you work hard and are not that greedy than it does not apply to you.
Never, never said all. Just a huge number though. Think individual and not pinko commie stuff.
I support right wingers? I buy used autos made by lib union workers. I don't ask the grocery store owners if they are libs or other. Am indifferent. Don't know where you get your info from.
Read too many left wing rags??? Pick on the few non lib media outlets left out there. Sic Lerner on them. She and regime want to own it all. Hitler, Moe, Stalin, Islam, now Obama.
It isn't the people of those countries who have bought into it. It is a select group of people who have been placed into positions of power by the Bilderbergs, Bohemian Grove, CFR, the IMF, Skull&Bones, Freemasons, the Rhodes Scholars, Jesuits, Rosecrucians, etc which form the evil-cabal of global-elite formerly referred to as The Illuminati.
Clinton, Bush, McCain, Kenyan-born Obama, Carter, Kerry, Rush Limbaugh, Bill Maher, Dennis Miller, Putin, George Stefanopoulis, and many, many more are caught up in it. Their New World Order is almost complete.
Yes, we need to take back our future citizens, through private schools.
I encourage the development of neighborhood home schools.
But thats another problem because so many parents need to have dual incomes to afford their homes, let alone private schools or home school teachers!
And there is another problem: Most MOMS are working! Kids have no MOMS!
I think we are painting ourselves into a dismal bleak corner.
Have fun with that, America. It is certainly not what I or any of us envisioned in the 70's !!!!I grew up in the 50's 60's The dad made enough in a 40 hour week to pay all bills and save a little for college for the kids. Then the 70's came and greed ran rampart. The Unions demanded 3 1/2 times whatever the minimum wage was. Factory Jobs I had early 70's averaged 3.25 hr. by the end of the 70's average wage $14hr. I saw company after company leave the Toledo Oh. area. Some went south others overseas. Some just closed.
Then came the layoffs and the need to work two or more low paying jobs just to make ends meet.
What is needed is a return to the good old days of the 60's. I have solutions in my hubs. As Biscuits says. Read and learn.There were more manufacturing jobs then. Now most jobs are tech jobs, and most companies will not hire a person who doesn't have a college degree. That's why less people can get jobs. When I went to work in banking, the guy who began in the mail room could end up as the head of the bank, but that was a long time ago.
Now that everyone needs a degree, it's having the effect that it doesn't matter anymore either. Young people have huge college bills to pay off, and so have to live with their parents until they can do that, or have a roommate or partner to share an apartment. There are 100 applicants for each job. So many of them don't get started on their own until they are in their late 20's or 30's. The world has changed since people in their 50's and 60's got out on their own.
President Obama added a lot of jobs, conservatives just don't want to see that. I don't see why there could not have been an infrastructure bill passed, that's pretty neutral.Yes, there where a lot more jobs until greed came to town. First factory jobs I had in early 70's $3.25 by 1979 $14hr. Jobs went by by overseas or south of the border.
Obama added a bunch of Mc Donlalds type jobs to help fill the huge void of lost good jobs. And they went from workforce participation rate way of figuring to a bastardized don't count anyone who's unemployment ran out and those that just gave up looking. Unemployment is closer to 15% to 20%, Minority about 25%. And would be if the older way to gauge unemployment was used. And it used to be based on a 40 hr. week. Please do some research and not believe anything the regime says.
Walmarts and Targets are closing allover the country. Retail sales are falling. The magic number 0f 4.9% occurred just before election time to con the low information vote. Rush and others predicted 6 months before that is what the regime would pull. And they did!
~ the natural inclination toward inflation, increase, power of the some !!!!
but not the all.
what is the solution?I have solutions. And not going to charge $3 mill either. Have hubs that give outlines.
Work credits that are like fore ever stamps. Inflation proof!
Income parity for heads of households. A living wage!
And this diddy for your entertainment: http://www.msfanpage.link/the-gun-contr … he-ground/
Hurry before Lerner or ?? takes it down.
You people should watch a new release movie titled "Captive" based on the book, and true story "Unlikely Angel" by Angela Smith.
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
In truth ,we don't have an issue with the extremist left "Coming for our guns ", the most they would or will ever do is ask someone else to do that for them . Perhaps the Russians s , the U.N. troops or even Iran's palace guards . Why ? Because elitist , intellectual leftists are cowards by nature .
They are the ones who were the first residents out of the Warsaw neighborhoods after they pointed out where the Jews lived , They were the first ones to seek exit visa's from Berlin and Paris to come to the U.S .or to England after doing the same , They lived in the first countries to declare themselves to be of political Neutrality when Europe was burning down around them , rather than to join the cause .
No , none of the extremist liberals I've ever known are EVER going to knock on your door with a search warrant or a writ to confiscate anything resembling a gun , It's simply far more in their general nature to constantly whine about the ill's of a society until 'someone else acts ' than to actively DO something about it themselves .
I kind of like the new T-shirts showing a gun , "When you come for mine - Bring yours !"So, are you calling our founding fathers cowards with "Because elitist , intellectual leftists are cowards by nature ."?
They were definitely, almost to a man, elite aristocrats, they were all intellectuals, and they were all Leftists, who believed in the enlightenment and the supremacy of the individual over the crowd or state (that is called then and today - liberalism) It was the Conservatives/"Rightists" who opposed the Constitution and came within a hairs breadth of stopping it from passing.Don't be silly. There is nothing about the liberalism today that values or places individuals over the mob of big government. While far right conservatives at least have the excuse that their god told us how to live, liberals have only themselves to decide how others should live or what decisions they should make.
As for the conservative, they and their God are interchangible. So they do decide how others should live and what decisions they make, they only SAY that it is God and not them. So it is roughly equivalent.
In reality, yes. But motive does make a difference in attitude, don't you think? It's no excuse, but it is a reason I can understand and sympathize with.
On the other hand the insinuation that others are better because the do the same thing simply because they made a decision that it's the "proper" way to live doesn't have that.The motives while different have the same result and it is the same for me either way. The God thing I find hypocritical and self righteous. Even from the standpoint of the left is isn't the 'they' usual a process that is democratically arrived at? Does tie in to the 'nanny government' that you mentioned before?
Can't be self righteous when it's a god giving directions, Except, perhaps, that the one "passing on" those directions is more righteous because god talks to them. Delusional, maybe, but not self righteous.
Democratically arrived at, yes. Does that mean that it isn't a specific concept/ideology/political stance come to by people that demand everyone else follow their version of "proper" living?
Is there really much difference between a group passing on the word of their god that no one should be gay, and trying to force everyone into that mold, and a different group saying that everyone has a "right" to health care and forcing others to pay for it? Beyond, that is, that one group honestly thinks its a god and the other has only their personal opinion?
This isn't the same thing as thinking that a high minimum wage is good for the country or will hurt it (apart from being "right" or "wrong" morally), it's a matter of ideology and morality. As such, what makes one a great thing and another evil? That one group has the power to enforce their viewpoint and the other does not?Well, Wilderness, that why we have the ballot, you can choose which direction, by selecting candidates that share you view. It is not some God of theirs that by definition supercedes everybody and their opinions. The people voted for FDR and by extension his New Deal. The conservatives can vote, but who can compete with the conservatives and their God, which makes them a 'moral majority' if not so by sheer numbers. You and the representatives you elect have control over these things. I voted for Obama and you may have voted for Romney, because my beliefs in the role of government is different from yours. But there were more people that saw it my way over your preferences hence, Barrack Obama. No one is being dictated to, the Right lost the election, and if they win this time they can bring all their arcane stuff to the forefront. And then there is not much that I can say. The people have spoken.
When God gives direction, based on whose interpretation? Who can say that God directly speak to these people telling them that it is not about Democracy, it is doing it our way or suffering the wrath of God.
Well, who is it that is trying the slow frog boil of gun confiscation on the false premise that it is the law bidding citizen that is the problem. Even Mrs O is foisting her ideas on us. Who is playing God here?
I would much rather live around a bunch of do gooders than the gangs. Or a bunch of rude people who think they can carry on and disturb those around them.
It is a huge leap to think that conservatives think themselves God. In actuality we are all gods in training. But not the supreme one!The premise is that guns need to be available only to law abiding citizens, without oversight how do we make that happen?
As for the choice of do-gooders or gangs, I have the choice of not living around neither of them.
The "leap' is not big as you might think. They take their message and points of views and put God's label on it, assuming that we will all accept the infalibility of their ideology and logic, because according to them, that is what God says. The reality is far from this.
@ wrenchBiscuit:
How do you propose to rid the US of guns? I don't need to know how much it would cost or how long it would take ...
just HOW could it be done?
Does this quote from your last post provide a clue?
<... the coming apocalypse, the end of white privilege in the United States, the browning of America, inter-racial sex, and white flight back to Europe …">
WonderingKathryn , ? ......... Are you kidding , you want Wrenchbisket to explain the un-explainable ?
<"There will always be guns, wars, poverty, crime and there will always be those who care -zero - about the laws and their fellow human beings.">
True.
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
Fairy tales are just fairy tales , "Lets rid the world of all guns " first , is a child's dream , And what a child's dream it is , much like all of those Camelot visionaries . Quite simply put , the left needs to get its head out of the sand . There will always be guns , wars , poverty , crime and there will always be those who care -zero - about the laws and their fellow human beings .
One day there will be light sabers , I can hear liberals now defending light sabers ! Why , because they cannot distinguish between reality and fantasy , justifying one over the other like the immature childlike anarchist's who's star wars mentality always clouds their judgment .
The left , in ideology , doesn't believe in prosecution , judgment , sentencing , or incarceration . They don't believe in capital punishment but allow fully the capital cremation of any social order . Anarchy generally rules in the reasoning powers of the left . All the faults of a culture like America just have to be the fault of the right and so by association by a God ? Doesn't anyone else see the naiveté of their power of reasoning .
Man , where do some of these ideas for the blame towards conservatisms come from ? Many here ,I can truly ignore , however there is always an all inclusive blame game played by the horns on the left .
It's all Gods fault ?
It's all the ideology of conservatism , which by nature is always "Less is better "
What about personal accountability ?
What about this plague of entitlements ?Is there a remedy for UNFAIR ADVANTAGE?
Take away guns?
Take away Wall street
Take away all inequalities
Take away freedom / liberty
Tax the rich?
Take away freedom of religion?
Remove the influence of Christianity?
Take away the power of the individual?
Take away free market enterprise?
Maybe its better to to just put up with unfair advantage, rather than making it so NO ONE can gain an advantage!
Survival of the Fittest AND allowing the Fittest to help others.
Is there something wrong with this idea?Inequality is natural! Let It BE!
ENFORCE the boundaries of Law and Order such as No Monopolies!
Have Honesty
Truthfulness
And Care for the People.
We need to look for the one who holds these ideals in choosing who to vote for in the next presidential election.
Heaven help us if we do not get someone genuine, real and powerful enough to be his own
presidential person.
ahorseback; Here is your Fantasy Land.
Two percent of the total budget goes to what you call the "plague of entitlements." The Pro-Life people champion human life, but only while it is in the womb. They care less about the mother and the child after it is born. Now that's what I call real right wing compassion.ahorseback: You are worried about the nanny state and the entitlement plague, while the pentagon is spending money on a worthless program that costs tax payers 1.5 trillion dollars. That's right, that's trillion with a "T."
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/ … -Thru-2040Daily Kos /ˈkoʊs/ is an American political blog that publishes news and opinions from a liberal point of view.
Why should I believe anything from you when all your info is from biased lib sites?
The college fiasco is equally shared by both parties! Many references used!
example: Islam is split over who is going to come out of the well. Bottom line is both sides are evil. Same with blame of both parties!
I have been called many times and encouraged to take classes when very few jobs where available. How many grads are living in their mommy's and daddy's abodes because they can't find a job in their field? I have one living with me. Both parties are at fault!both parties need to shake hands, figure out the advantages contained in each, work to harmonize and focus on REALITY.
We may have a common enemy and it is not within.
It is without in the form of Globalism.
This makes sense to me! Am I nuts?
<"Global-warming is being used to unite the nations into a NWO nullifying each nation's sovereignty and founding documents."> S.P.
Here are OBVIOUS tactics being used to tear down America and we do nothing!!!!!! but bicker and argue. We need to OBSERVE the tactics that have been used for decades and are snowballing:
1.) Pit one group against the other:
A. The rich against the poor.
B. The black against the white.
C. The right against the left.
D. The young against the old.
E. Turn the sexes against each other!
2.) Take away autonomy and positive influence of public school teachers,
A. Not training / encouraging public school teachers to teach with love, but rather strict conformity.
B. Command school teachers to indoctrinate their future citizens with lies and slanted information. toward making the US look B A D.
C. Obliterate ACCURATE history.
3.) Obliterate Christian customs.
A. Christmas is winter break.
B Easter is spring break.
C. Encourage immorality every way possible.
D. Remove freedom of Religious Expression.In his(?) book "The Audacity of Hope" Obama claimed he was sympathetic to "the labor movement but they are an obstacle to globalization".
In the spring of 2001 the screenwriter of the "Pearl Harbor" movie was asked by a prominent news magazine why he left out any evidence of FDR having advance knowledge of the "surprise" attack. He said "I want it to be a feel-good movie."
On December 5th 1941 the Honolulu Advertiser headline at the very top of the front-page read in large bold print "JAPS TO ATTACK OAHU THIS WEEKEND". Cordell Hull had leaked the story to a reporter who then put it on the AP & IP lines. Only the Honolulu paper and a Philippine paper published it. Go figure!This is one time that something you are talking about may make some sense.
History does indicate that there was negligence involved in the lack of preparation for the Pearl Harbor attack. Roosevelt, looking for a justification to get the U.S. in the war during a time when the American people were interested in neutrality, could well have been complicit in looking the otherway while mounting evidence that plans for an imminent attack by Japan were in plain site for those that chose to look carefully. It was a war that Roosevelt felt had to be fought, even while the American people were not ready for it yet.Well I am sorry to say I accidently posted those Pearl Harbor remarks on this thread. It was meant for the Ben Carson Was Right No Moslems as President hub by Susie Lehto where we went off on a 9/11 & Pearl Harbor false-flag tangent.
You are the normal one. A woman's place is still in the home.
Doug - I am finally grasping your point that registered commie/pedophile Frank Marshall Davis was most likely BHO's biological father. I agree however BHO Sr is named on both the actual Kenyan BC & the forged Hawaiian BC on the WhiteHouse website. The Kenyan-birth only bolsters biracial BHO Sr as the legal father before the adoption of little Moslem Barry Soetoro in Indonesia. Other candidates for BHO's father include an Indonesian cult-leader, Malcolm X's bodyguard and a white-guy from Florida who got his black-maid PG."A woman's place is still in the home. " ????? Exactly what century are you living in Prepper.
Out of the last sixty centuries it has only been in the recent half-century, in westernized nations, that a woman's role has been degraded to that of common laborer. Here's a clue: breasts are for breastfeeding.
Although I anticipate The Rapture any day now the military is where I turned when I couldn't find a decent job. Now that I am retired from it I feel like I was a sucker and used as a pawn. Still I saw the world, got a nice home-loan, and had four-years of college paid for. Now I get a small retirement and discounts for being a vet. Anybody with a good driving record and physical fitness can get a CDL & become a truck-driver. It won't be easy but they make adequate pay despite the long-hours away from home.
I have heard even they have problems these days. when they reach the other end it is hard to get paid! Work for a worthwhile company …
Yes, because the Fittest do not take it upon themselves to be helpful to others all the time.
Oh well.
Becoming Fit is possible without their help ….
when there is freedom within boundaries.
But then some agree with Sanders:
"Bernie Sanders, opined in a 2010 The Nation article that an "upper-crust of extremely wealthy families are hell-bent on destroying the democratic vision of a strong middle-class … In its place they are determined to create an oligarchy in which a small number of families control the economic and political life of our country."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oligarchy
This is the fear of the left, and why they want to take away our guns: to fight the IMAGINED threat of oligarchy!
WHAT PROOF does the LEFT have that there is an
"upper crust of extremely wealthy, (usually identified as white privilege, white superiority and/or white supremacy,) HELL-BENT on
DESTROYING
the DEMOCRATIC vision of a strong middle-class "
???
I ASK !!!!Kathryn: You want proof? Here it is from the IRS. Now, whether you believe Bernie Sanders or not is up to you. But this is what he bases it on. Those people and corporations at the top are the ones who control congress and also are the ones who have kept wages stagnant for years while they progressively earn obscene amounts of money. Yes, we do have an oligarchy.
No, we don't want to take away your guns. No one can take take away your guns because of the Supreme Court 2nd amendment ruling. People who think, their guns are going to be taken away are in denial. if they accepted that their guns were not going to be taken away, their whole agenda would come crashing down like a house of cards.I'd have to say, on the other hand, that people that claim no one wants to take guns away are in just as much denial. We've seen large lists of politically strong people that have made it clear in no uncertain terms that their goal is to do just that.
Fifty years ago that list did not exist. Today it does, and grows larger with each killing sensationalized by the media and more calls for a gun free America. Eventually it will happen if we continue to deny education on the subject to the masses.wilderness: And there is the trend syndrome, which creates fear and also denial, and makes your agenda never ending. Can you show me the list? By "your" I mean other gun people who are also in denial.
I agree with you. I think education is the key to the whole mess, but probably not the type of education that you are talking about.constitutionalists: One who believes in the constitution. Just like lib pinko commies.
communist: One who believes in communism.
It most certainly should be a word! Even if coined here by yours truly and others.
Yes! there should be education. Just not a bunch of lib lies and biased exclusions.
No to common core! No to agenda 21 etc. No to Islamic prayer rooms at universities. schools.
No to forcing Islamic crap in our elementary or other schools! Except as to exposing them as the evil they are!I can show a list of facts about murdering, lying Obame! Does that count?
http://denpage15.blogspot.com/2014/06/o … derer.html
(Obama-grandmother-Madelyn-Dunham-Toot) who held a deep dark secret that would have crushed his candidacy--the fact that both she and his grandfather were Communists that had been investigated by the House Un-American Committee.
Why did America
NOT know this
before voting him into the US presidency, TWICE?
Obama knew that she,
and his grandfather
being communists
would be a detriment to his candidacy!
And he lied and claimed she died one day before election day! Actual death was:
"Hawaii officials knowingly and intentionally falsified death records of Madelyn L. Dunham who had actually died prior to Barack Obama arriving on Thursday October 23, 2008 for his claimed visit." Just to get sleazy sympathy votes!
My take on this by putting the pieces together.
Obama visited her in Aug. Slipped her the mercury. Came back to finish the deed in Oct. She was already dead. Mercury was showing up in her body. Cremated to hide evidence.
Wait! there is more! Enough for now. The further I go into this creeps life the less I like him.
Wife isn't much better. Could even be worse like San. B. hubby and eviler wife team.
This is all over the net on many sites. No cherry picking required!Doug: So you put faith and credence in a guy by the name of Denny Finke who writes a blog about all the B.S. that you posted and you accept it as fact because it is all over the internet. I told you before that you can find anything you want on the internet to support any agenda that you want. Does this guy even backup what he has said about Obama? It's just pure B.S. and what is really sad is that your believe this B.S. and present it to us as fact because it is all over the internet.
You put faith in a guy who's middle name is Hussein? See how ridicules you sound?
I did mention lots of other sites to choose from!
And then you reference biased lib sites for your Sources?
It is really sad you believe a proven lying regime. Those convinced against their will, will believe the same lies still. You are free to use this phrase as I will also allow you to use my coined word constitutionalist, or plural constitutionalists or constitutionalistism etc.New Jersey has one of the biggest Muslim populations in the U.S., and we don't have any problems getting along. Many of the Muslim people began coming to North Jersey in the 1980's. They were usually men, looking for a job, so they could get an apartment or buy a house, then go home to their native country, get married, and bring their wives here. All they wanted was a better way of life.
Being so close to NY, we are used to living among a diverse group of peoples from everywhere. It was only after the terrorist attacks of 9/11 that all Muslims were looked upon with suspicion, even here at times. Many wrote letters to the companies where they worked, and from their mosques, condemning the acts of the crazy few who wanted to be so destructive.
My husband worked for a company for 39 years, many of them with these Muslim people. When he passed on two years ago, not one of them skipped his final service, even though they were uncomfortable with some of our funeral customs. They spoke about my husband in glowing terms and were very supportive of me. Just because someone's middle name is Hussein is not a reason to dislike or distrust someone. I think President Obama took a lot of mean spirited crap with a lot of dignity, and kept on plugging to do the things he wanted to do for this country. It's not his fault he had a Congress who had similar views to yours.Dearborn Mi. is the Muslim capital of U.S.A. Biggest population of Muslims in the U.S. I have had plenty of troubles with them. I live near Toledo, Oh. Some 40 miles from Dearborn. Unless you can show me that Dearborn isn't the largest. Just google Dearborn and see the problems.
There are a few in Toledo and they go back and forth. I do small engine work and a lot of them have pickup truck mounted equipment for coating driveways. Had much more trouble with them as a group then even the blacks and rednecks that I have as customers.
Consider yourself lucky. Can tell you stories.Paterson, NJ is the second largest Muslim population. I don't know why your state can't get along. Maybe it's a less tolerant state or the citizens are afraid of anyone new.
Obama is the most divisive president in history.
He has been using the IRS to go after our First Amendment free speech rights.
He has been using ObamaCare to go after our religious liberties, and now through executive order he is coming after our Second Amendment liberties.
I feel betrayed by the establishment in government, Obama and the media.lol ~ MORE Untruths & Nonsensical False Comments ~
The Supreme Court of the United States AFFIRMED ObamaCare AKA "The Affordable Care ACT" as Constitutionally SOUND ~ There is a BIG Difference between ACTUAL Stautory LAW in which society must abide by & Biblical Passages which individuals can accept and practice or not with impunity ~
Radical CONservative Republicans have DIVIDED this Nation, NOT President Obama ~ Republicans have attempted to SUPPRESS Minimum Wages, Suppress Labor Unions, Suppress Health Coverage for ALL Americans, Suppress Woman's Rights, Suppress a Woman's Right to Choose, Suppress EQUAL Pay for Women, Suppress and or ABOLISH Social Security & Medicare and in some cases Suppress Veteran's Benefits, Suppress AFFORDABLE Education etc etc ~
When you OBSTRUCT the "Enhancement of the LIVES of we the People" in FAVOR of GIVING even MORE of OUR Wealth to Wall Street as Conservative Republicans continue to do, the divide is CREATED ~Occasionally an extra verse is added: to "I Had a Little Nut Tree"
"I danced o'er the water,
I danced o'er the sea,
And all the birds in the air,
Couldn't catch me"
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
Never in my life have I ever heard as much malarkey about what our government owes its people as I have in the last eight or ten years of liberal leadership in America . It always makes me wonder about what ever happened to " Earn it !" I can't begin to tell you how many times ,as a kid , I heard from my parents , "If you want something out of life ,you'd better do all you can to earn your way forward ".
Only as an adult have I come to realize just how God like my parents were in teaching their children well in life , each of their ten children became good employees , earning their way from having little in life to actually being successful employees , owning their own humble way in life. Not blowing any horns but the entitlement society is so obviously a big part of leftist America .
You know what , If you feel that the rich have gained and you've lost in life : better get to work and earn something !+1
so simple, so true.
How are the rich becoming an oligarchy in America?
How are they taking away Democracy?
I would really like to know!
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
Thank you Pres. Obama !, Of all of my primitive gun collection ,some thirty five odd single shot , single barrel , antique ,or double barrel and black powder weapons I've never owned an "assault weapon " . Never .
However , with all this talk about banning , or the eventual chatter among ill informed anti -constitutionalists , I have finally changed the mold of my collection habits and have bought an "Assault weapon " for the benefit of being all inclusive to my hobby .
I'm just looking for a space big enough to keep it now .
A burglary happens every eighteen seconds in America ! Are you prepared ?ahorseback: It's not about you. It's about the greater good of the country. Just becuase some people do not agree with your values and beliefs does not make them an anti -constitutionalists (Is that even a word?)
And what exactly is "for the good of the country " Peoplepower , taking guns away from millions of sports hunters , or shooters , and their children . Let me ask you this ,
Have you ever seen a real man teaching his daughter or son how to target shoot for the first time with a 22 rifle ?
Have you ever seen the look in a young boys eye's when he gets his first 22 rifle for Christmas . Or a .410 single shot shotgun ?
Did you ever see a father and son reading outdoor life together in front of the wood stove , Planning a trip to hunting camp in October ?
I truly believe that people like you have simply lost your insight into what divides right from wrong anymore ,or what morality , ethics and character traits taught by a father to his son or daughter through outdoor sports can accomplish ,, Maybe it's because you've dwelled in the inner city too long . Or because you have negative feelings about what your own personal upbringing lacked because of the lack of outdoor education ?
Either way , right from the beginning of this entire thread , and I've been here from the start , your lack of fact , focus and foresight has been more than evident ! I have to hand it to you though , you have kept up with the same liberal blasphemy , baloney and bull****.!Nobody wants to take your guns away, how many times do you have to be reminded of that?
How about learning how to ride a bike or read his or her first novel, or attend school for the first time. You gotta be country when you think that in this day age a right of passage for a child is to learn how to use a weapon that can kill.
What is it with you people, anyway? Of course, to each his own, it just seems that there are so many more productive things that children can be taught. We weren't even allowed bb guns as kids for the fear that horseplay may very well find someone's eye put out. Hunting is completely legal, it just that many of us have never seen the sport in it.
And that is a differing orientation has nothing to do with ethics. Outdoor education was the boy and cub scouts, appreciating the wild instead of cultivating a mindset of killing or finding things to kill, at vulnerable levels of growth and development.Credence , you grow up in the projects or something ? "How about riding a bike ........." yes , all of it ! But the absolute stupidity of excluding something like proper gun education , education and the alienation to children , of outdoor shooting sports because, " guns are evil........... " is about as moronic as humanly possible .........
Take a look at reality Credence , where do you think our military dominance comes from ? Do you think that those who have sacrificed completely for God and country were entirely trained solely by the military or something ? They came from Boy Scouts with NRA training standards . They came from local sporting NRA sanctioned and sponsored shooting ranges , they came from parents who supported and understand that proper gun training begins at home .
I understand though , your inner city mentality only allows you to believe that the defense of America has just happened because of what .............chance ? The Anti- gun , anti- constitution crowd , including yourself , needs to read up on a reality lesson or two ! Maybe even Before you fully invest in the nanny state crowd .Our military dominance comes from a defense budget that so great that it dwarfs that of our competitors combined. We got all the toys. I was in the military and I did not come in as having a lot of firearm use background. What you are saying is not true of your average military recruit, c'mon...
Your inner city analogy is inane. You people are always saying this is where all the illegal guns are, maybe its residents are pretty well versed in how to use guns?
JUst looking at your discourse it is easy to see that you could not hold a candle to my background and experience at ANY level.
So choose your words carefully..
But, I will eat crow, if I am wrong about this
Most people are not exposed to this 'gun culture' you keep talking about. I like to hear from others on this thread in this regard.
The kids better concentrate on reading, writing and arithmetic and leave the guns to the hillbilies if, of course, they want a chance of being employed in the future..School is to teach children the things they need to know in order to succeed in life and to understand the world they live in. That is why the curriculum I grew up with 50 - 60 years ago was:
1. Reading
2. English
3. Mathematics
4. Civics
5. Geography
6. U.S. History
7. World History
8. Physical Education
Plus a couple that wasn't:
9. Sex Education
10. Facts of becoming an adult (Home Finance, Relationships, Child Rearing, and similar subjects)
If a kid is going to trained in firearms, his parents need to do that.
How heartwarming, and how pathetic. Even from a survivalist standpoint, teaching a child how to garden; how to forage for wild plants and roots, is more practical than shooting game. Especially today when wild game is scarce in many areas. But the average gun lover is a Neanderthal, a throwback to a distant age. It is not a matter of survival for the gun lover, but a matter of blood lust. They simply enjoy killing for the sake of killing; so much so that they even call killing a "sport". I am quite pleased when I hear of these throwbacks accidentally shooting themselves, or being killed by the animals they are hunting.The great charlatan has spoken! You and Obama share a huge narcissistic view of yourselves.
Hope you electrocute your ass with those big amps.
You should know by now that I am immune to your insults. You will notice that I refrain from such childish commentary. Many of my subordinates have attempted to demean my character with strawmen and vitriol. Some of them have actually had heart attacks and died within the last several months, which I find quite remarkable.I am not one of your underlings. How can you even brag about causing someones death?
Evil is what evil does.
How is that much different then shooting them with a gun?. Supposing you have such power that is. It is hard to prove so you get away with murder. Proud of yourself?
ahorseback: This may surprise you. But I grew up with guns. I use to go hunting and fishing with my dad and his friends. My first gun was a J.C. Higgins 410 single shot ,where the barrel broke to load and remove the shell. I used it to plink gophers. We use to hunt duck, geese, quail, partridge, pheasants, and doves. My dad raised German Short Hair Pointers and they were trained just for hunting. I still have two Winchester Model 12, 12 gauge shotguns, pump action, full choke for duck hunting and a Winchester Model 70, 270 cal. with a Weaver K-25 scope for deer hunting. My dad had all kinds of guns. I even took a correspondence course in taxidermy, North Western School of Taxidermy. I learned how to mount all kinds of animals.
After I got out of the Air Force, I gave all that up, but I took movies of ducks and geese at the wildlife refuges. If I knew that the lives of innocent people and especially children could be saved from senseless killings, I would gladly give up my guns.
When I talk about the greater good, I'm talking about those innocent children who are no longer the future of America. Having people show you how to shoot is a great experience, but it does not ensure the greater good of the country. You and others can argue that statistically that is insignificant compared to total homicides. But that dog don't hunt! Because killing those kids affects the future of this country. I don't care how statistically insignificant it is to you and other gun people.
The military today is professional. There is no longer a draft. The intake of the military today includes people from all walks of life, not just those that can shoot already. Many of these people are from the inner city don't have a future, but they do find a purpose in the military. By the way, i found out that "inner city" is GOP code for black people.
So you don't really know me, but yet you accuse me from not knowing right from wrong, no morality or character, lack of outdoor education, and liberal blasphemy. (what ever that is?) It does sound very poetic though. I know you are a poet and love to use those adjectives.
But you better be careful of who you accuse without knowing the people. You are writing what you feel and think. It comes across as vitriolic, acerbic rantings. See I can use those adjectives also. You better be careful with your accusations. You may get your t*t in a wringer someday.
This is from my Italian cousin in Italy and it speaks volumes.
If you want water and don't want to see your family mowed down by jack-booted BATF thugs and other Obamanite storm-troopers you will all voluntarily turn in ALL of your firearms for the empty-promise of peace and security(and if you want water too). I hate Big Brother Obama.
Only one president born since the ratification of our Constitution in "The Year of Our Lord' 1787, when the "natural-born citizen" requirement became official, had a father who was NEVER an American, Barack H. Obama.
Franklin Marshall Davis was an American. I thought we determined that the Kenyan was not the real dad. DNA his ass.
The Kenyan-birth still happened regardless who the real father was. Legally BHO-Sr was it.
It is fun watching two delusional paranoids talking to each other.
My Esoteric: Just because you want to be kept in the dark and fed lib crap like a mushroom.There is much more on his pinko commie parents and a pre-Obama, Malcom X pregnancy to disclose. Later dude.
The BC is a forgery. Illegal as hell and as libs should be.You can believe that all you want, but it doesn't make it true. What I believe is that you and your compatriots are high scoring Right-wing Authoritarian followers (http://hubpages.com/politics/An-Analysi … llower-RWA) where one of the men who have studied this since shortly after WW II says of you:
"They are highly submissive to established authority, aggressive in the name of that authority and conventional to the point of insisting everyone should behave as their authorities decide. They are fearful and self-righteous and have a lot of hostility in them that they readily direct toward various out-groups. They are easily incited, easily led, rather un-inclined to think for themselves, largely impervious to facts and reason and rely instead on social support to maintain their beliefs. They bring strong loyalty to their in-groups, have thick-walled, highly compartmentalized minds, use a lot of double standards in their judgments, are surprisingly unprincipled at times and are often hypocrites."
I know you don't see yourself that way, but to those viewing from the outside, most of your posts fit this to a "T".
I just put my rifle back in the gun safe. Been shooting some targets to keep my skills up. Nice to be a legally-registered gun owner in Australia.
Google still sends traffic to a couple of hubs I wrote early in 2013 about proposed changes to US gun laws. Seems there's ongoing interest in how Australian gun laws work. Hard to imagine the US could ever implement a (relatively) smooth transition like ours though.
Apparently for some of us, it's nice to know that we have the capability of killing. Some might argue that instead of killing, they are more concerned with having the capability of protection. But since every person living today will surely be dead within the next 125 years, it is clear that guns can offer no protection against the ravages of time. And if we consider the Christian, or metaphysical outlook, the sooner we die the sooner we get to heaven, or at least to a better place. No matter how we slice it, only a Neanderthal would consider gun ownership to be a virtue.Is it really nice for you to know you have the power to kill? And you do kill per your post to me.
It is the uninformed that thinks they are going to heaven, not likely, or in your case hell for causing the deaths of others.
There is that little thing called karma. You will be visiting a prison planet or two after this life for willingly causing the deaths of others. Until all that karma is paid back or is forgiven by the creator, No heaven for you! I consider Earth as a mixture of of prison and paradise. Soon the new heaven and new earth will separate from the combination present earth. leaving a prison earth for the likes of you and a paradise earth for others. Or perhaps you will make it to one of the other prison planets. One of the many abodes in God's mansion Jesus spoke of.
Let the world marvel at this great teaching. Here, I believe I have outdone myself, as this may be one of my greatest demonstrations. The human, overall, is not capable of responsibly using motor vehicles and firearms. This demonstration offers irrefutable and empirical evidence of that assertion. Using the English language, of which you are all familiar, I have made comments that have clearly been embellished, and misinterpreted. We can understand that if the human can be so careless with the interpretation of comments delivered in a common language, such carelessness will necessarily influence every aspect of human behavior. Consequently, knowing those at the head of the automobile and firearms industries must also recognize this fact, we can only understand that the continued sale of these products to a primitive race for the sake of profit is sadistic, and one of the greatest evils perpetrated against mankind. Read and learn.
Are you looking for a scape goat for your murderous ways? Shifting the blame to capitalism, guns and autos, You missed a huge one. That be big amp!. If you don't have a gun or a car you think you are out of the woods? The Devil made me do it? And the beat goes on! pounding satanic rhythms to yo brain! And the beat goes on!
You are at fault. Killing people because they challenge you via your mouth and evil spewings from it. Don't you want to use restraint? Or do you enjoy the power?
Murder is murder
Again: Evil is what evil does. Regardless of the weapon used, tangible or intangible.Or more than likely our elected leadership has made some VERY POOR CHOICES ! Like the dumbing down of the judicial , legal , policing and incarceration systems! And you sir , should know the difference that you so conveniently ignore . But then , Is that one of the requirements of joining the politically correct left side of ALL issues ?
And for what ? To be included in the nanny state group rates ?
To relieve stress I photocopied a bunch of page-sized images of this usurper Kenyan-born Bathhouse Barry the Antichrist and use them as BB-gun targets. My aim has really improved too. I usually hit right where the middle-six is on his forehead.
Sgt. Prepper: Koo Koo for Coco puffs. You are scary man.
I must be about my father's business sounding the alarm that Kenyan-born Obama is the Antichrist & Jesuit Pope Francis is his False Prophet. Get ready for crash of the dollar, natural disasters, civil unrest, martial-law and World War Three! Get ready for The Rapture!
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
My gun collection sits quietly awaiting my sportsman's pleasure ,neither these guns nor I have ever pointed anything at anybody . They have never killed , gang banged around the city , guarded me or my friends during a drug purchase , been held to the head of a child or a woman while assaulting or raping them .
They sit quietly , slightly oiled and very clean , locked behind closed steel doors , where the live ammunition sits locked in a separate metal safe . AND I know or have known dozens of people who are the same . And yet , because of the downright stupidity of those of you who neither understand human nature , the constitution , the governments or the pleasures of the outdoors , I am living a life on the defense of my liberties .
Actually ,If it wasn't for the blind , inexperienced , moronic attitudes of people who KOW NOTHING about the realities of our culture today , about the facts of life , or have ever read a fact based study about real crime , the laws or statistical study ; there would actually be NO debate ! Except for mouthing puppet like sayings , speeches and leftist rhetoric .
Here's the reality of the anti- crowd , you probably are urban , city born , raised in little pink or blue or white developments just outside of the inner city ,Your closest brush with a gun or crime is inner city related , going to the dark side to get your coke hook up , reading about the robbery at the seven -eleven , or watching your nephew join a gang ,or watching US soldiers on TV shoot blindly into a cement city in Iraq.
Here's my take , you have canned your arguments ! But, You don't even know of which you speak . The anti- crowd wouldn't know which end of a gun does the shooting or how to actually load a magazine with bullets , The anti's are the kind who always want to run someone else's life because of your empty lives and in your blind naiveté , Learn your facts , You will never beat the gun crowd BECAUSE you know so little of which and what you speak!
"ahorseback: Did you even read my reply to you of how I grew up with guns? Or are you afraid to reply because the decent thing to do would be to apologize for all the false accusations you placed on me? Again, you are writing what you think and believe and making false accusations. The key word in in your post is the word "probably" that means you really don't know whether the accusations are true or false. Are you sure, you are not one of Trump's relatives? As far as canned arguments go, you keep harping about your guns and could care less about the greater good of the country.
I don't know what state you live in, but I'm assuming you have a driver's license and your car is registered with the DMV. What a burden that must be for you to have to go through the pain of renewing them every so many years. it must really infringe on your right to freedom! I'm sure your cars have never killed anybody, but there you are a peace loving man with a car that has the potential to kill being registered. This fits right in with the gun people's argument about banning cars because they have the potential to kill.
Oh I'm sorry, maybe you just ride a horse and don't have a car because of you name, ahorseback!Peoplepower , I'm sure you love your country as I do , and really , thank you for your sacrifice and military service ! But to mushroom , law abiding citizenry expand , , request more of or demand more of , said government , local , state or federal ; is simply demanding more taxes , more restrictions and more regulations of ALL government departments against a law abiding citizenry - for the most part ?
"Probably " to me generally means positively . Just a nicer way of saying it ! I feel the definite conviction of all my ideologies ! AND all of the leftists ! And there are NO canned arguments to the right side of any issue , simply the correct ones based on honesty , integrity and morality . Get used to that . I completely understand the nanny state that you and many pursue in your delusionary state of minds !
However , the VAST majority of gun owners and users , commit no crimes .......Not ever ! Yes , I register my car , however unwillingly , I also have registered and have been approved for the purchase , of everyone of the thirty five guns that I own , individually ! Each of them relics of the past , representative of our history , of our heritage , of my familial history of hunting and sport shooting .
I could actually give a rat** A** about the reasoning of ANY and all anti gun or anti- constitutional people , their or [IF yours ] reasoning is simply completely naïve as to the reality of guns and crime on the streets of America . The mentality of the new left in America is so childish , spontaneously moronic , and spasmodically driveled , that there is not one quality contribution to a solution to this existing crime wave !
If you wish , I can contribute a line for line solution for the Crime problems in America ! Without rhetoric , without lines from the NRA , without the anger and divisiveness that the left has constantly offered up ! So go ahead challenge me !
This conversation has certainly jumped the shark. Two unmovable opinions filled with distortions and lack of reason that masquerade as productive.
Illegal-alien Obama WAS born a 100% British Subject IN Kenya before his adoption as little Moslem Barry Soetoro in Indonesia. The Hawaiian Birth Certificate is forged and BHO is using a stolen Social Security number 042-68-4425 taken from a Connecticut man Harrison J. Bounel who died while vacationing in Hawaii. BHO's Selective Service registration form is also a forgery. WHY do you people insist on covering for this fraud? He has already destroyed our nation.
Obama is on record telling a crowded lecture-hall "I was born in Kenya" and in the mini-bio HE wrote for the Harvard Law Review(which he was nominally president of) BHO proclaims his Kenyan-birth. Technically BHO is STILL an illegal-alien and couldn't run for Dogcatcher.
Kenyan-born, gay, commie, Moslem, Obama WAS born in Kenya and he IS The Antichrist.
Sgt. Pecker: I am considering the source of your comments and I choose not to dignify it by commenting. Therefore, I'm ignoring any more of your posts that are like this.
I am just the messenger here. You don't have to bite my head off. I am trying to help you people see how duped you are and reminding you eternity is real and not to be taken lightly. Get saved before The Rapture!
Over ten-thousand Chinese-made GUILLOTINES NSN 1377-00-234-4045 in Army Warehouses now.
500,000,000 FEMA Coffin-Crematories U.S. Patent #5,425,163 are stockpiled in North America for "The Great Culling" of "useless eaters" by the global-elite. Hundreds of FEMA camps are already operational. Vast underground cities and tunnels, including from Chicago (it goes under the Mississippi River by St. Louis) to NW Arkansas & out to Los Angeles exist for this reason. The tunnel across Missouri has a well-known access point in Springfield, MO. The United Nations will impose their Agenda-21 plan as part of Project-2030. RFID-chips called "Digital Angel" will be implanted an every living human being within a year if Kissinger, Rockefeller & Rothschild have their way. Antichrist Obama & False Prophet Francis will preside on earth. Christ is the answer as He provides our ONLY means of escape.
Maybe you guys can get me kicked off Hub Pages again for speaking the truth you refuse to hear. I know the truth hurts and you can't handle it, but for the love of God man, OPEN YOUR EYES!
If you can't really judge all Moslems by the actions of a few how can you judge all gun-owners by the actions of a few of them?
Because it doesn't fit their agenda like gun lies do. And they are trying to make the Islamics look like the rest of us. Or even better!
They accuse us of believing what we read on line yet believe every lie coming from the regime.
Here's a short list:
Gun violence is increasing lie.
Assault weapons were used.
Obama care will save the ave. family over $2,000 a year.
The biggest gun problem is mass shootings.
Unemployment is only 5%.
Benghazi was caused by a video.
We did all we could to help those at Benghazi during the attack.
There never was a plot to kill millions. Why all the coffins then?
Obama was born in Kenya.
Clinton's illegal use of web sites.
All these lies can be refuted by a quick web searchDoug: The fact that you continually call the Obama Administration, "The Regime" tells me that you pick up this information from trolls like yourself who spread rumors and miss information all over the internet. As I told you before, just because you can find multiple instances of those types of rumors, does not make it fact. I'm not going to dignify your comments any further. Therefore, I'm ignoring your comments from this time forward.
Oh and this one: About his Hawaii granny. Why lie about her real death date as he did then?
And he lied about her death so he would appear to be back in the U.S. at time of her death. Died Oct 23. He claimed Nov. 2. 2008
Most of this stuff I heard directly from Obamas' mouth. And repeated by the regimes' top people to the public at large. Some I had to go to the net on.
Yo-all keep your blinders on! I will look at all sides and make an intelligent summary of the info presented.
You are the one one who started this thread with misinformation. Namely: it was the mentally challenged who cased the biggest problem. This may have been in ignorance which can be forgiven. The regimes out and out lies can't.
I have even tried to correct those on my side of the issue. As well as those definitely on yours. I would rather this hub was started by a so called gun nut. But you what you get.Lying is Kenyan-born Obama's native tongue just like his father...the devil.
Donald Trump was playing a loop at a rally today with, "Sympathy for the Devil" on it. I guess he's just a Stones fan. I can't believe Sarah Palin endorsed him, wasn't she banned from the R party after her drunken speech? Anyway, they deserve each other. She wasn't making any sense and rambling about making America Great, the usual.
She doesn't have to make much sense to keep the Ruskies in line and protecting Alaska.
What is wrong with a little nip every know and then?
Would rather have her on my side than a bunch of pansies when the SHTF. All I have to do is add a supply of booze to the survival list. And it doubles as a disinfectant.
The girl really know how to party!She sounded more like someone who was high on speed or cocaine. What a freak show! I'm starting to like Donald Trump simply because the guy is very entertaining. Sarah Palin makes a good show even better. The greedy, materialistic, and apathetic citizens of the United States are deserving of Donald Trump and Sarah Palin. This is becoming more and more like the Ayn Rand classic: "Atlas Shrugged". All the good people have stepped aside, and are watching the world fall down, while the idiots continue to fascinate a goat herd with empty promises of peace and prosperity.
Someone with her spirit and drive manufactures the the substances that are in drugs and what happens is your brain goes faster then your speech. And you start leaving the rest behind. Happens with me all the time. A Trump Palin ticket would be interesting.
What is wrong with having a nice home, vineyard and garden? As described in the paradise of the Bible. You just have to find cold weather hardy vines for the Palin Plantation.
But global warming should take care of that.
There would be no need for guns other than target ranges and collectors. Man will have his dormant chromosome activated and manufacture any chemical needed not supplied from his garden. No meat required.
God would have to have angels stand guard to keep the aliens at bay. The evil entities that have karmic debt to pay would be on one of the prison planets.
"What's wrong with a little nip?" Well, if Trump wins the election (meaning our country really is shot to hell) and something happens to Sarah Palin, do you want her drunk and thinking "Hmm, I wonder what that little button is?"
I do support drinking responsibly, but not for the ones who have access to nukes.
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
THere is more truth denying in the anti gun arguments than ever. Kind of baffles me that many fail to realize this. Is it all not then about attention? Truth lies at all our fingertips!
It appears they don't want anyone to upset their applecart.
Namely: the big lies that mass murder or the mentally challenged are the main culprits.
Ignoring the gangs. And Islam if you want the worst of the mass murderers.
Having everyone of like mind is just patting each other on the back. What use is this hub then? Other than self grandioseness. Of coarse there is the politically correct feel good crap and everyone gets a wimpy medal ideology.
Know the truth and the truth will set you free. Unless they send the goons out and take you to the FEMA camps and use those guillotines and plastic coffins stockpiled there.The liberal media are talking heads for Obama's gun-control agenda and attack on our 2nd Amendment.
Media Research Center....petition to demand the liberal media tells the truth.
http://action.mrc.org/secondAmendment-P … aign=fbadscolorfulone: You see this is where critical thinking comes into play. If you would have taken the time to scroll down to the bottom of the page and click on the About link, this is what you would have found that the MRC is about. They are one of the propaganda arms of the right wing and they expect trolls like you to accept their propaganda with unquestioning blind faith. Just because an article says it is true does not make it so. This is what MRC is about:
."Since 1987, the Media Research Center has been the nation’s premier media watchdog. We don’t endorse politicians and we don’t lobby for legislation. MRC’s sole mission is to expose and neutralize the propaganda arm of the Left: the national news media. This makes the MRC’s work unique within the conservative movement.
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- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
This conversation has lost all credibility, Why.because of the inherent dishonesty by leftist meatheads.That which is almost always the cause for lact of effective dialog. I could give anyone here the five or six most positive changes to effectively alter gun and crime issues. Too bad though that idiocy rules the net when it comes to fact based forum discussion. On the left there is no integrity, no anylitical ability, no desire for change, only anarchic.drivel is allowed to fester into each thread of any forum. And these true colors always show. Always.
You do know, ahorseback, that the moment you wrote "meathead", your credibility dropped to zero. It is my experience that only those without an intelligent thought in their head resort to insults.
Credibility is not the issue, as it is more a matter of IQ. Obviously there are a number of people on this thread who still can't seem to understand the meaning of the Second Amendment. Clearly it does not apply to anyone outside of a militia. The interpretation of the gun lobby is quite ignorant and self-serving. It is no different than expecting the First Amendment to cover anyone who wants to yell "fire" in a theatre, or someone expecting it to cover a religion that requires, on the first Sunday of every month, the beheading of an Idaho "patriot" who has been castrated and wrapped in an American flag soaked in gasoline. People who reason on such a level have no credibility to begin with, and their opinions are simply a source of amusement that fuels Forum threads; helping to insure a steady stream of revenue for the owners of platforms such as Hubpages .Clearly the 2nd does apply to the average citizen. It tells the states, that are given permission to form militias, that they are not to infringe the rights of us to keep and carry. You and Obama make a good pair.He hates the constitution because it tells you whackos what you can't do.
You libs have got it ass backwards.The constitution is about what the gov. can't do. And the 2nd clearly states that the rights of the citizens to keep and bear shall not be infringed.
BTW The Islamics are responsible for more deaths even in the U.S. than all others. Where are the pics of that sweetheart hubby-wife team from San B. Or that nut case nut doctor responsible for the Fort Hood deaths? Or the others?
And the owners of businesses are entitled to their homes, vineyards and gardens too!
It would be nice if we all could be on the droll. Who then would work to supply everyone with goodies. I have solutions. It would require everyone doing their fair share within their capabilities.
Why do liberals fail to worry about both? Or sidetrack to welfare when the discussion is guns?
Isn't the regime also sidetracking it's real real reason for gun control/taking? I think so!
Wilderness: I'm sorry, but if you read ahorseback's posts, he continually calls welfare the nanny state and is constantly harping about how much it costs this country, so that he can sidetrack us off the issue of guns.
Although the connection is a little tenuous it is there. While welfare started as an aid to those in need it has become a part of the nanny state, freely available to half the country. People want a nanny to care for them, whether it is to supply what they want but cannot afford or to keep those fearsome gun thingies away from people.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Alexander_Fraser_Tytler
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy. "
Isn't this what we have now? The only thing saving us is the constitution. Namely: for this hub, the 2nd. Saw this coming in 2007 with Obama promising to the previously non voting masses. As soon as the the carrot was dangled the roaches came out of the woodwork. The Reps stayed away in disgust at who their candidate was.An old quote, also attributed (in a slightly different form) to Elmer Peterson. I first saw it in yet another form concerning bread and circuses in a novel written by R. Heinlein. I fear there is more than a little truth in it, too - we see it not only here but the results in Europe as constituents vote ever more freebies for them selves from the pockets of others.
So what is your solution, fascism, plutocracy? This country has been around for sometime. I am sure that your concerns would have manifested itself in 'the revolution' by now.
I hate people that feel that they have the right to deny anyone else equal participation in casting ballots. Just who do you people think that you are?
Why dont you rightwingers use your influence and vote the people out that you feel are interfering with the right of the plutocrat? Can you? Do you have the power? If not, then you will just have to live with the reality, do you not?Hate me then! I don't like the reasons they caste. Greed is an evil thing. Maybe not in your eyes! Now if they did it for virtuous reasons. Its all about them. Me! Me!Me! mentality.
You should study more, particularly, Apostate Paul: Those that don't work also shouldn't eat.
Here he was talking about those that hung around the church back then and didn't help with any of the chores. Carries on to today.What does greed got to do with it? You have a problem with 'the masses' voting? Who do you define as these 'masses'? Your fellow citizens are roaches? Well, they have the same Constitutional rights that you have, or do you know that? Perhaps, you believe that you are heads and shoulders above all that you identify as 'vermin'? But, perhaps you need to look again.
The gun safety issue will have to be resolved in race neutral ways, or it is dead in the water. If general 'gun people' won't disarm blacks folks certainly will not. Its not that I don't trust you, but I don't trust you.
Most of the people that you allude to in your snide comments work harder than you do to end up with much less.
Life, liberty and property cannot not be removed without due process of law. Have you looked at the percentages of who has the wealth verses who has not ? Doesn't sound like wealth transfer from rich to poor to me. Perhaps you need dump the Archie Bunker routine and do some more study, yourself.
What kind of silly upbringing would have parents giving children BB guns in the city, unsupervised?I have no trouble with masses voting. It is the reason they are voting that I have a problem with. And what I saw in 2008 and 2012 was a lot of greed on the part of those new voters. Obama lied to them playing on their greed just to get elected. Just like they are wanting all those new voters from Mexico. To keep their corrupt asses in power. If they really cared they would be sending each some money or food. Instead they send fancy rifles and such to the cartels.
How can you take the largely stolen guns from the gangs and not have the race card drawn? Without some common sense it will not happen if there is no joint effort.
You have no idea how hard I worked in the past. I paid into the system so now I can get a small income from SS. Self employed people are taxed double on SS you Know. ~15%.
I never made enough to invest in any 401 and such. Me wife who is 9 years younger works about 15 hours a week to put food on the table. I do some small engine repairs still. Teach some of those trouble makers a skill and have them be an asset instead of a liability.
The Asians got your peoples part of the pie. They are the hard workers and look out for one another instead of drugs, booze, nookie, gold chains etc, all the time at the expense of their family. Of coarse in any group you are going to find exceptions. Some of my black customers work hard and complain about the other blacks in the hood. I lived there too
don't forget and experienced first hand. Education and all things in moderation.
We as young and knew it hurt when you do certain things and were responsible. Then the 60's happened. You must be about 15 or so years younger than I.Doug, you assume that you know the reason, do you? By 2008, the economy was decimated thanks to your GOP buddies. In 2012, the GOP offered a spoiled rich kid, instead of a leader. Did not need a lot of reasons to vote for Obama. Your routine is right out of FOX News commentary and is incorrect.
The rightwinger had better worry about the hispanic-american citizens putting their sorry a$$es out of office. Their numbers are increasing in proportion to everybody else. Their problem is going to be with American citizens of Hispanic background, not illegals.
The job is to take stolen guns from those that have them, regardless of race, color or creed.
So, you worked hard, are the only one? There are many stories like yours and for you to assume that the experience of so many others is of no consequence, well...
Yes, the Asians have a successful culture and I won't be the last one who would say that there is room for improvement amongst our numbers. But, you apply your 'hood' bias to all Black folk. You may have lived there, but you did not learn anything, just doubling down on biases. You think that you have the big picture, but in reality you are looking at it all through a spy glass.
The difference in years is more like 7-8 years, if I picked up on one of your comments correctly. The sixties were the greatest time in recent American history, sorry that you disagree.How about the trillions the regime spent over 7 years and rising. 7.5 Over a trill a year.
There is no excess for any party to spend like that. I don't like any parties.
The increase in Hispanic population is the fault of both parties, The Dems are looking for voters the Reps for cheap labor. Both for evil reasons.
I did mention their are exceptions in all groups. Not my fault that the different groups very so much as to the % of lazy troublemakers in a group or two. That was up to the parents to do.
I had me own 4 kids to raise. None ever went to jail or rehab. All got low income jobs until the economy improves to the point of their schooling is needed. Used to be in the 70's 80's grads were snapped up into good paying jobs. Obama has had 7 years and just whines as you do about the previous admin.
The 60's where the worst in many ways. Just our different views on BB guns shows how the young were taught so different. Since then there was lost respect for the other.
Me! Me! Me!If you don't like any parties, you sure are a advocate of the right, its rubbish and such and that comes from only one party...
Why does the increase in the Hispanic population among American citizens a fault or a problem? Do they not have the right to be fruitful and multiply? They, as we, do not trust conservatives and their ideology. That is reflecting itself in their voting patterns, who is to blame for that?
More jobs have been created during the Obama administration than in the previous one, but of course, because he is Black, he could never toe the line anyway. You have the same attitude now that you had on January 20, 2009. I know your type, quite predictable in attitudes and responses.
Are you going blame Obama for a trend your conservatives are promoting?
The change in the economy is much more involved than just Obama and you know that. If that silly Trump wins next year and does nothing or things go south, we all know why you will continue to prop him up, don't we?
Everybody else is trapped in the ME generation, but you, of course, are the altruistic soul that is above greed, resentment and never have had an agenda of your own, YEAH RIGHT.....Tis not my fault the Reps share my views more than the Dems. I am an individual and don't sheeple.
It is your group that should be concerned about Hispanics taking those McDonald type low income job opportunities from them. The average family income is down $5.000 from a few years ago. More junk jobs, even if true, does not make up the difference. Splitting all those $120,000 gov. jobs would give three times as many $40,000 a year incomes. Any extra could be returned to those working households that need it the most.
The big if. Many are willing to give him and Cruz the chance. They are fed up with how the regimes have handled things so far. Perhaps they will abandon the party system. I am a constitutionalist. New word coined by yours truly.
Yes, I am striving for altruism. It isn't easy. Just like stopping the most addictive substance known to man 40 years ago. Still have cravings but did not give in. Did alcohol three different times for a few years each time. Last time was ended 11 years ago. Have backslid some on occasions to a minor degree. My agenda has been since high school to be self reliant and not by screwing anyone on the way. Have not achieved that and probably won't. Would like to earn more than I need even as I write and not rely on the VA and SS for my needs.
Doug, Hispanics and Blacks are more similar politically than different. People like Cruz and Trump do not have a chance, especially with Trump's attacks on the Hispanic Community. Hispanics and Blacks are very Democratic Party voters and such has been and continues to be more so the case. But, so are Asians, Jews and younger voters, for that matter. These are not economically depressed people looking for a handout as conservatives like to say, why do they overwhelmingly support Dems? The Conservative/Republican constituency base gets more narrow by the day. It has GOP central paralyzed as to what is it going to do to promote its future and policies?
Can I presume that you receive from SS and VA? With as much trouble as you have endured in your life, I find it hard to understand how you find yourself in a position to make observations about the shortcomings of so many, the vast majority of which you know nothing of except for your limited exposure in and around Detroit. If you were more travelled, it would reflect in your attitudes and points of view.
Our enemies are the 1 percent and those that have nothing who are dumb enough to support their agenda.
Why wouldn't poor blacks be concerned about poor whites taking jobs, not just hispanics?
We all want good jobs at good wages and to be self reliant. Nobody wants to have to look over their shoulder when a dollar comes their way.
Doug: When are you going to learn? You just can't pick up something and post it as facts, when in fact, this was printed in pink on that site to indicate it was misattributed. Do you even know what that means? It means the sources where this came from are false. I said I was not going to reply to your posts, but man you just can't run with something without reading the entire piece and checking the validity. Go to snopes and Fact Check. org to check out the validity.
Misattributed[edit]
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the majority discovers it can vote itself largess out of the public treasury. After that, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits with the result the democracy collapses because of the loose fiscal policy ensuing, always to be followed by a dictatorship, then a monarchy.
The earliest known attribution of this quote was December 9, 1951, in what appears to be an op-ed piece in The Daily Oklahoman under the byline Elmer T. Peterson, Elmer T. Peterson (9 December 1951). "This is the Hard Core of Freedom". Daily Oklahoman: p. 12A.. The quote has not been found in Tytler's work. It has also been attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville.
There are many variants circulating with various permutations of majority, voters, citizens, or public. Ronald Reagan is known to have used this in speeches, as reported in Loren Collins, "The Truth About Tytler":
Other variants:
The American Republic will endure until politicians realize they can bribe the people with their own money.
The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.
The historical cycle seems to be: From bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to apathy, from apathy to dependency; and from dependency back to bondage once more.
This quotation was actually by Henning Webb Prentis, president of the Armstrong Cork Company and former president of the National Association of Manufacturers, in a February 1943 address entitled "The Cult of Competency" delivered at a Mid-Year Convocation of the General Alumni Society of the University of Pennsylvania (The General Magazine and Historical Chronicle, Vol. XLV, Numb. III, April 1943, pp. 272-73).
This quotation sometimes appears joined with the above one, most notably as part of a longer piece which began circulating on the Internet shortly after the 2000 U.S. Presidential Election ("The Fall of the Athenian Republic," Urban Legends Reference Pages):
A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.
The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.The words are more important than who may have misquoted them. Or the fact that there variants!
This time it happens to apply to voters. Next time??
Bondage of Obama's NWO? If that is still on for the present? I think there has been a change in the plans of both parties. A monkey wrench in the form of Trump and Cruz in the Reps and Sanders for the Dems.
Doug, is "roaches" your "n-word" euphemism?
Endowed by Our Creator with certain unalienable rights such as LIFE.
KEEP means to own, have & maintain.
BEAR means to carry or have on your person.
Our Second Amendment simply recognizes every American's right to defend ourselves against a government gone wild and run by an illegal-tyrant. It has nothing to do with hunting, inner-city thugs, or wild Indians. Get ready for what's coming!Actually "Prep", you are WRONG with your Mis-Interpretation ~
The 2cnd Amendment is a "BAN" on Arms for Private Citizens unless you establish an AFFILIATION with a "Well Regulated Militia" such as the Armed Forces ~ U.S. Navy, Army etc ~ This Militia is DESIGNED Specifically to Repel another Foreign Invader, NOT to be used against OUR Own Federal Government ~
"KEEP" & "OWN" have Distinct Meanings and or Definitions that's WHY the word "Keep" was used in the Amendment ~
See, U learn something NEW Every DAY ~If that where so they would have rounded up guns then. And there would be no free gov. bullets given to citizens who in those days where allowed to carry for the purpose of shooting buffalo. Even my friends and I played with BB guns in the city. 1950's. Before all the namby pamby stuff of the mid 60's.
In the 1800's the older kids carried to protect all against animals and bad people on their way to school.
Now, anyone with a lick of sense would know a "Well Regulated Militia" would automatically imply weapons. Then there is you, Biscuits and others. So why even mention keep and carry?
Solely to inform the likes of you that you can not infringe the citizens the right to do so.
There is even a division in the lib ranks about this. Just try to take Credence2's peoples guns!
Go back and see his responses. I would say there are other libs that would also disagree with you. The gangs, hunters. employees of the gun industry, and those that just like guns.
I would also wager that most don't even know what the NRA is or care if they knew."Keep & Bear" ARMS is Exactly what an individual in the U.S. Army does as part of a "Well Regultaed Militia" ~
I can't Speak for your copy, but my 2cnd Amendment does NOT say "OWN & Bear" ~No! In the military you are issued a weapon and have to give it up when you leave the service.
Also, have you never heard of keeping sheep, birds, etc? You own them! Just is another way of saying same, same.
My copy is the right one. Yours has to be a defect, in it or your understanding of it.Are you saying, Doug, the 2A "does not" say "Keep and Bear Arms" but instead says "Own and Bear Arms"?
Means the same. As a bee keeper I own the bees in me hives especially if I bought them .
Now it may become a gray area if I just let a hive form on me property. Property I paid for and didn't steal from anyone like some claim.
If you read the states militia laws you will find that the militiaman was required to furnish the weapon. So. yes! they owned them. Later, the states supplied weapons and ammo because the militiaman had a lot of junky weapons. Also not to be a burden on families with little income. keep, own! pretty much the same to me.
The roaches are anything you want them to mean. You know there are white roaches too. Don't you?
I want to see the original writings. They were most likely wrote in Hebrew first then translated. Then the corrupt bishops got in and changed things to suit the Roman view of things. The biggest being Nicene Council 325.
Our Constitution, like our Bible, was written so ANYBODY who can read will know what is says. Doesn't require a college-degree as it is written in plain English our National-language. Like I said GET READY!
Unfortunately our Constitution, like the bible, was written in a language that no longer exists and by people of a culture that also no longer exists. The cultural matrix, which language depends upon, just doesn't cross over well. Which is why the SCOTUS is all too often required to interpret for us and why no two people can agree what the bible says, either.
The SCOTUS often misinterprets e.g. Roe v. Wade flys in the face of our right to life AND
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal" certainly does not match-up with the Dred Scott decision. Although not presently a legal-requirement for a legal-marriage consummation is entirely impossible for same-sex couples. Hence their so-called "marriages" are merely civil-unions and THAT is all they can ever be. We are straining at gnats here when we should be out sounding the alarm concerning this Antichrist Obama & False Prophet Francis.http://www.endtime.com/endtime-magazine … e-prophet/
This and much more from the above site.
"The final pope will influence the world to give their allegiance to the Antichrist and his one-world government." The first Jesuit from the black order of priests to be pope, he is.
If Obama is the ant-Christ he only has one year from now before he has to hand over the keys to Trump. Or declares marshal law etc. He may head up the UN. Which probably has more power than the the U.S. and Israel combined, out of it.
He will deceive the majority. 1Thes:5:3: "For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them."
Obama is not liked by many. Unless this changes for some reason, he is not the anti-Christ we are looking for! Maybe a lower level one at this time though.Thanks for the helpful & interesting link. Fact is the last-days unholy trinity consists of Antichrist Obama, False Prophet Francis and the devil himself Satan/Lucifer/Allah. We cannot change or stop what is happening. All we can do is make peace with God, stock our pantries, store some ammo and pray hard.
No, the Bible was written in Greek, Hebrew, and Aramaic; didn't you know that Prepper? It was translated by men with an agenda into all of the other languages.
I know all about the original languages the Word of God was written in and that it was even written in Latin before it was first written in English however I study and memorize verses from the King James Version of the Holy Bible almost exclusively.
Luke 10:18 is where Jesus said"I saw Satan fall like lightning from on high." Most pre-2008 Bible Dictionaries and Strong's Hebrew Lexicon define BARAK as 'lightning' and BAMAH as 'on high'.
Anticipation of a tyrannical usurper like Kenyan-born Obama is the exact reason we have a Second Amendment in the first place.
You are wrong.
And I hope we never find out just how wrong you are.
It was written with the future in mind.
Yeah, I just blew your mind.Due to the fact Obama's named & legal father BHO-Sr was never an American BHO is not a natural-born citizen.
Regardless of the citizenship of whoever BHO's biological-father was the birth in Kenya as a Brit before the Indonesian adoption negates any claim to natural-born status as well.
All you obamanite defenders could maybe put your heads together and explain why the forged Hawaiian Birth Certificate, which was supposedly recently acquired from official Hawaiian sources, had to be flown in when on page 26 of "Dreams from My Father" BHO admitted finding his "birth certificate" as a young man. Whatever happened to THAT Birth Certificate? Accidently shredded maybe?I have two certificates. One has me baby foot print on it. It is not legal because the day is one day off from the official state one. And me mom knew later that day was wrong too. To me it is more real because no two foot prints are the same even if the day is one day off.
Obama could have had a similar situation. They put the Kenyan on it to make his birth look respectable. Obama himself went along with it. Maybe he believed it for a while??Thank you for your that. She will never give up on her quest to prove this Kenyan-born usurper belongs behind bars or in front of a firing squad.
Obviously, you didn't read much of that. If you would have read the whole thing, you would find out she has been thrown off of many shows, because people think she is a frig***n nut case and if you believe her, so are you.
I am an astrologer, and when I cast an astrology chart for anyone, I can't do an accurate one without a person's birth time. It's amazing how many people can't find their birth certificates. Now it's easier than in my parent's or grandparent's generations, since most babies are born in hospitals. But back further, most babies were born at home, or the Mother was knocked out with drugs if she was in a hospital, and people didn't always note birth times.
Even during moves and adding in disorganization, many people can't find their birth certificates. That doesn't mean the POTUS had one made up. Do you really think he wasn't vetted? I can't believe Cruz isn't getting more scrutiny, having actually been born in Canada. He would have made a good Prime Minister if he didn't give up his Canadian citizenship. But seriously, his case is very difficult. Even if it went to the Supreme Court, I am unsure how the vote would be.It is still utter nonsense to think that Obama attained to the most powerful office in the world and yet was not vetted for his eligibility? Look at the people who are grabbing on and promoting this nonsense, Trump, for example.
At least, Obama was born in the United States. Let's see how much scrutiny Ted Cruz being born in a foreign country gets.
Is it truly about birthplace qualifications for the office or is it something else??I think prejudice has a lot to do with it, but nobody admits it. Even blue states have a lot of it, it's just more hidden.
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
Who was born more American by culture is the MOST important factor . We must vet - vote for the most American-ized candidate on either ticket . What I do not understand is the naiveté of American voters who won't vet a candidate running for the most important office in the world ! Obama was elected out of total and complete blind popularity of political correctness . There are a LOT of democrats who have suffered buyers remorse in the last few years .
And here's the thing , Democrats should be more than unhappy that those who have that remorse will cross over to the independent side , thus voting conservative this time around ! I believe there will be a landslide victory for the newest Regan like candidate , Is that Cruz ? Is it Rubio ? I believe that it won't be Trump . Trump is essentially a Hillary in disguise .Finally someone suggesting the thing I have been saying. Vote the best person for the job. Regardless of party.
I see a lot of party bashing and ignoring who the candidate is.
As we have seen with Obama. just because he was born on U.S. soil and of a citizen does not mean he knows or likes anything the country stands for.
His perspective is from a trouble maker govt. employee who he may have believed for a time was his real dad. Dreams From My Father. He certainly followed is the troublemakers footpath.
In public high school I got an 'A' in Civics and will never forget our first lessons concerning the Executive Branch of our government and how the President has to be a "natural-born" citizen which requires birth on U.S. soil to parents who were BOTH Americans at the time. Bathhouse Barry is disqualified on both counts.
Report PP for calling you a nut case. I have been banned for such. He is no different!
Please PP keep your promise and don't reply to me posts.
All certs. so far are phony. The one Obama had showing him as Kenyan born, he had to get rid of it so that he could be shown as U,S. born. That was phony because they wanted his birth to look respectable and have his mom over there. Sort of back fired on them.
So, somebody came up with a phony altered from a bloke' in Australia in an attempt to make Obama's phony one look true. Thus claiming he was Kenyan born and not eligible.
The one on line from the regime is made up from 9 layers. Meaning photo shopped. A true cert. would have no layers. It had Obama as Hawaiian born. For some reason they changed some of the details. The real one is locked up for some reason. If it didn't have some sort of incriminating facts on it why not just present that one????
So to sum it up. The family had the Kenyan as the dad and her over there to make everything look cool and legit. He was given a phony cert. that he now says can't find. Then the SHTF later. Thus the cert. problems now.You really ought to write fiction novels; your ability to make things up is absolutely amazing Doug. You would make a fortune with your talent.
Naw! slow typist, takes too long. It looks easy enough, just follow the dots. May write a hub just on the lies about his birth and Ann's life from high school days and the way she and her fam. where then. And bring it up to the present, like on this hub.
Every fact I use is readily available on line.He is no match for the lies, deflection and subterfuge put out by the obamanites to hide and misconstrue the facts about their messiah BHO. Kenyan-born, Indonesian, gay, commie, Moslem Obama IS The Antichrist & Jesuit Pope Francis is the False Prophet. Get ready!
If you were taught "how the President has to be a "natural-born" citizen which requires birth on U.S. soil to parents who were BOTH Americans at the time.", then you were taught wrong, Prepper. To educate you:
1, The need to be born on U.S. soil is unsettled law. Our Constitutional requirement is based on English "Common Law" (which does not require a person to be born withing the border) and not "Statutory Law" (which does). Further, none of the naturalization acts don't mention "natural" born.
2. The 14th A sets the rules for citizenship which is ""All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." ... no mention of parents, is there.
Don't know who your ad hominem refers to, but Ted Cruz is on dicey grounds which will probably need to be adjudicated vis-a-vis his citizenship..
The extremely obvious fact Obama is the ONLY President(?) born since the ratification of our Constitution, when the "natural-born" requirement became law, to have a father who was NEVER an American should have been immediate cause for concern. The definitition of "natural-born" as understood by our founders is the ONLY definition that matters.
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
I wouldn't care if Obama was born in central Ohio , he's not of an American mentality , his political spectrum is other worldly , his political actions are eastern European , his religious ideology is lacking heart and soul . The only art in his war chest is the ability to present a polished look and dress in an empty suit , I'm surprised he doesn't wear leather pants .
I wouldn't care if Hillary won as long as she acts politically Americanized !
Why don't we just cut to the chase? He does not 'fit in' because he is Black, right? No need to be dainty about it, just admit it,
Credence , You know , I have read many of your posts on forums and here's the thing , you are one of the real , true ,bare racists' ! Pure and simple . Why , one with a thread of intelligence might ask ? Because you always go to racism . Always ........So lets ask you this , Is that always your come back to any constructive criticism ?
"Waaaaa! Waaaaa Ur a racist" ! somebody call the race ambulance.He is born is the USA, that is 'American' enough for me...
Too bad it isn't good enough for our constitutional requirements. Gladly the Log Cabin Republicans have not backed birther Trump but the National Black Republican Association has.
Piss poor reason to vote for a guy! Some 90% of blacks voted for him just for that reason.
Should be closer to 50/50!
So, who are the real racists? And what ahorseback saidAND ,When you look at why 90 percent of blacks voted for Obama , You truly begin to understand where all the "race " accusations come from today , I will be so glad when the pity party of todays media focus evolves into a clear and concise integrity once again ..........if ever ! But then, you all know what I mean .
So Credence , answer the question . If 90 percent of blacks voted for Obama , Just who is the racist ?
Over 70 percent of Hispanic voted for Obama, approximatly 70 percent of Jews and Asians, are they racist too? 80 to 90 percent of Blacks vote Democratic, with all the rightwing GOP scum and their attacks against our groups, what little support they get now is too much. IMHO. Does the fact that 85 percent of Blacks vote Democratic make them racist? The issue is not Black and White, but Democratic vs GOP redneck. Carson, Keyes, and Mr. 9-9-9, Pizza Man had and has virtually no Black support, so you do the basic arithmetic, what conclusion are you left with?
Thats dumb, Doug and ahorseback. Blacks vote overwhemingly Democrat regardless of who the candidate is in Presidential contests. You conservatives consistently parrot the same inannities. Perhaps, you need to listen to Rush less and pay attention to legitimate forms of media a bit more? Why should it be 50/50, Doug? It should be the same way with Jews and Asians, 50/50, but it is not, they are overwhelmingly Democratic voters. Go get educated, come back and tell me why....
news.yahoo.com/black-people-support-obama-because-hes-black-180905648--election.html
Obama captured 95 percent in 2008, and 2 million more black people voted than in the previous election.
It's the 2 million I have trouble with. Most voted for the reasons I addressed in earlier posts.
Bill Clinton got 84%. Still should be closer to 50/50. Or even 67% tops.
How many of those 2 million are willing to give up their guns or rights?Bill Clinton got 84 percent of the black vote, that is a lot more than 50/50.
DOUG, why should it be 50/50? Black people vote their interests at electiontime and looking at the record and support of either party of those interests, it has not been exactly 50/50.
None of the 2 million will give up their guns or rights, why should they? How is that relevant?
Cmon, Doug, Do you think that a greater percentage of Catholics voted Democratic in 1960 for president elect JFK? Did they vote for him just because he was Catholic, one of their own? Was it pride, nobody seems to see any big conspiracy surrounding this fact?
The political parties do not represent our interests equally, so why should they get equal percentages of our votes. The political parties do not represent the interests of Hispanics, Asians and Jews, as the majority see them, why should they get equal percentages of their votes?
You should not have trouble with any American citizen over the age of 18 exercising their right to vote, in the face of that reality your reasons and concerns have to relegated to that of no consequence.I am not that political. Just know where the stats say the problems are. Plus my bad experiences growing up and some later.
Bottom line: cultural-ethics problems and drugs. Suicides than gangs as far as gun deaths go. Taking or limiting guns is not addressing the root causes.
The populace may very well need guns for protection if things go bad.
Are not criminals forbidden to vote?Well, I have to take politics into consideration as part of the explanation as to how we get here. Your bad experiences are just yours alone and not a universal template for the rest of society.
I did not say anything about the guns. Disarm those that are holding weapons illegally, that is all I ever said.
Convicted and incarcerated prisoners are denied the vote.
Disenfranchisement is the penalty that follow these folks long after their debt to society has been paid.
You can bet that I am fighting that as well.
Self-interest, as you say, drive the votes for those who vote. The Democratic Party has historically and will in the future represent the interests of most Asians, Hispanics, Blacks, the youth, and women. That is why the Ds get the majority of their votes.
Republicans represent the southern whites in general, and older white males nationwide; that is why they get the majority of those votes.Pretty much what I said. The Dems are for the Me!,Me! Me! crowd.
To hell with anyone else and morals! It is like why the typical young black here hates block watch groups. They can't "Do their thing" The Dems cater to all sorts of depravity.
Eviler than the evil Reps. Or the big bad NRA! Get rid of both and go back to no parties as originally intended.
What is wrong with wanting to be in a less evil group? Of coarse, unless you have evil or depraved left leanings yourself. Or do my favorite. NoneAs I said before Doug, your altruism is not showing here. You rightwing people have your own version of "Me, Me, Me". From where I am sitting, the GOP and conservatives entertain their own form of depravity. We have our advocates and you have yours, lets see who shall prevail?
Kenyan-born Obama had a paternal great-grandmother who was 100% Arab-Bedouin, which is Caucasoid, hence not only is Bathhouse Barry not natural-born this usurper isn't even half-black.
At least you are honest. I met a woman who grew up and lived for years in SC, and we became good friends. She was shocked to move to NJ and see how much racism there is, just that it it carefully veiled.
Just trying to get by all the 'dog whistles' that I somehow manage to hear and all the 'code word' that people don't realize that many of us have long decoded.
In my travels through the South, there simply was one element to its advantage in the race relations that the region had that was not true in the North. Whatever race problems there were, fear was not the predominant factor in it.I have lived for years at a time in California, Washington, Northern Virginia, and Florida and almost a little over year each in Texas, Alabama, and Georgia. While there is racism everywhere there is no question that obvious racism grew as I got closer to and in Florida; the rural whites almost wear it on their sleeves with great pride.
How true, ME about much of the rural folks. But when you are not dealing with the hard core type, the others were very nice people less contrived and conscripted. They were and are more authentic and less guarded in their relations with others.
I had lived in California, Montana, Colorado, Virginia, Hawaii and now Florida. Have a goal to get to the three states that I have yet to visit: Alaska, Vermont and Wisconsin.
The evil-cabal of global-elite made sure Kenyan-born Bathhouse Barry was not vetted and that all his pertinent records were hidden, lost or altered. That is why he is using a stolen Social Security number and a forged Hawaiian Birth Certificate. These people are insidious and diabolical. Jesuits, Freemasons, Shriners, the CFR, Skull&Bones are all in on making the New World Order and it is almost complete under Antichrist Obama and False Prophet Pope Francis.
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
I just listened to the Attorney General - Loretta Lynch , hired by Obama , give her speech about the justifications for executive actions for gun controls . Her entire speech is pure Horse shyte ! Completely ducking any questioning by congressional committee members as to existing laws , to existing lack of immediate legal and justice system accountability , to existing plea bargaining and early release of gun criminals .
My advice , Given their lack of reality and insight , The authourative figures from Washington DC. need to get out of the city , they need to experience the reality of the rest of the country , These people are all ivory tower idiots and should actually be driven out of office . For instance , Almost every one of the most violent cities in America today are riddled with democratic and liberal politics in the administrative leadership of the same.
To expect that executive action is going to change one iota of resulting crime statistics , WITHOUT THE FORCED COMPLIANCE TO EXISTING PROSECUTIONATORY POWER OF THE JUSTICE SYSTEM , is moronic ! WHY , if you don't properly punish past and existing criminals fully , do they expect the insanity of continued new law writing , to change or affect anything of the gun crimes of tomorrow ?
Pres. Obama and Loretta Lynch need to crawl back under the rocks of the ivory towers .There should be something done to criminals so they can't use weapons, before releasing them. In the peaceful Islamic places they solve this by removing your hands, or life!
This, however would make them damn near useless for his thug army. Which seems to be thwarted anyway behind the scenes. Keep vigil just in case he gets a second wind.
What is the web link to her drivel?I watched it on C-Span this am . I am ashamed of our" leadership "in this idiotic administration . I'll tell you a little secret , My wife voted for Obama the first time around and I've tried to be patient with the idiocy of those on the left but when it comes to their , all but total incompetence ; I find that am all for throwing the nincompoops out on their reality challenged heads .
There's hardly one brain alive inside the entire administration of Obama's. I understand and actually encourage political differences in ideology - but this administration is pure and unmitigated non-sense. We need to send them back to Chicago and let them sink into the cesspool that they created and carried into DC with them . Chicago is lost but we can still save the capital.
Vote anything but the same in 2016 !
What to do about guns seems less the issue. It's what to do about the mentality Ill that needs addressing. Cutting funding to programs that deal with that . Is all I've seen done so far. Blaming the gun is skirting the issue.
I keep telling them that but they insist I am a right winger. Not my fault that the Reps follow some of my thinking. The candidate that is for the constitution is who I may back. If any.
There are other factors to consider. Leaving me with my favorite choice so far. None!
I know what I hear and have experienced. I am a constitutionalist. If that is right wing than that is what I is. I like the idea of the people telling the gov. what it can't do. As the constitution says. Not a nanny state telling us what we have to do. If you don't like our constitution there are a couple options. 1. Leave. 2. Change it by popular vote. Leave if you can't change it. 3. Suffer! or again, leave! Don't force your crap on the rest of us! Go after the criminals!So, you would encourage the following Presidents to leave because they didn't follow the Constitution to the letter - All of them; and virtually every Congress person along with them as well as every Supreme Court justice. That's right - every one of them interpreted the Constitution and acted on that interpretation to suit their own philosophical views and material needs; this includes, of course, those who wrote it. (which means you would have never voted)
That would be a good idea. By By Obama! Can't do much about what happened in the past.
Yes! Clear out the whole rotten bunch! Vote or throw them all out! Except for a few????.
Constitution should be now followed to the letter! A bunch of wrongs does not a right make!
The parties where warned against. But they back slid and had them anyway. Washington was the only one elected non-affiliated.
There are the amendments.Yes, Washington, Adams, Jefferson, (Hamilton), Q Adams, Lincoln, Taft Roosevelt, Roosevelt, Jackson, Harding, .... should have moved to Canada and left the country to the Native Americans.
Canada is much safer than the U..S. Because we have so many groups that are not policed.
That would thrill Biscuits. He could revert back to tepees and earth mounds. The survival of the fittest. No amps! No electricity. Live to a ripe old age of 32.
A union electrician heard me badmouthing Kenyan-born Obama and said "I like my liars better than your liars.".
Before LBJ became president. There were the Dixiecrats. These were the Southern Democratic congressman who were absolute racist against the blacks. As soon as LBJ passed the Civil Rights Act, they jumped ship and became the base of the right wing of the Republican Party. Then Reagan came in and removed the fairness act which by law gave equal time to to both sides, and Fox News was born.
It's purpose in life was and is to support the right wing of the Republican Party, including the Dixiecrats and to attack the left wing of the the Democratic Party. Needless to say it has been very successful with its 24 hour news cycle and it's bimbo fake journalist that sit on couches with their skirts up to their candy counters. The rednecks love it. Then there is the conspiracy theorist Glenn Beck and then those who prostitute themselves, Sean Hannity, Bill O Riely, and Mark Levin, et al that earn obscene amounts of money to trash the left wing and further brainwash the lower levels of the republican party.
Dick Armey, a dyed in the wool Texas racist, created Freedom Works, which later became the Tea Party, the purpose of which was to brainwash the redneck lower level in order to get votes for the upper level of the republican party. Enter Rubio, Cruz, Santorium, and Paul, et, al. That's where we are today.
One question to everybody and I want a true answer. Are you and have you been O.K. with having a black family living in the White House or does it turn your stomach? Some of you are not going to answer. I already know that, but just think about it.
Mitch McConnell, the Senate Majority Leader, said his job for the senate was to make Obama a one term President. How do you do that with out sabotaging his every move? Well he made it to the 2nd term and he and his black family are still living in the White House for another year. If you don't like that, you may be a racists, as Jeff Foxworhy would say!!!whine! whine! whine! Whaaaaa! Whaaaaa! Whaaaaa!
What is wrong with equal time? The Dems own the media! Please don't respond!
You promised.Doug: Don't get your panties in a bunch. I have my view set for chronological, not threaded. Your post was the next in line. I intended my post for everybody. So don't flatter yourself with me just replying to you.
You are a lost cause in my estimation. And just for the record, you miss-read what I said. The removal of the Fairness Act by Reagan took away the media's right to balanced air time by both sides of the political spectrum. We no longer have that. Fox News dominates the radio air waves with right wing propaganda. There are no radio stations like that for the left wing. I used to listen to one and it was taken over by Fox News.The conservatives should have a news outlet or two. The left controls most of the other.
Forcing each individual outlet media equal time for each side would cheapen the product. I bet the left cried the loudest against having to air conservative views.
Its not the conservs. fault that the low information dumb Dems don't want to listen to news.
They are more into twitter, facebook etc and music.
So, if stations go down it is the lefts fault. Or the the stations for catering to them. There is NPR. They wouldn't even be there if the gov. didn't foot the bill.
I know there are others that read our posts. That is the reason I reply to a lot of the posts.
Hi peoplepower73,
Well, you already know I had no problem with a black President in the White House.
I'm reading a book that sounds a lot like your post. It's called Why The Right Went Wrong, by E.J. Dionne, Jr. It describes how angry R's were with the New Deal, and with Johnson for his championing of civil rights. Apparently what we know as the Tea Party has been here all along, still mad the North won the Civil War and that life moves on and people and ideas get more diverse.
It's purpose has always been to obstruct, and to take away any government help for citizens. The problem is it's only older white men in the South and Midwest states who agree now, and there are R's out there who want a return to being moderate R's. It's really hard to do, because young people, Latinos, Blacks and women don't support these far right people. They won't ever win a Presidential election again.
You would enjoy the book. It's a bit long, but pertains to a lot of what's in this thread.There must be two Tea Parties. The one I heard of is people who are fed up with all the corruption and the people they elected not doing what they said they would. You are listening to a wrong view if you are talking the same Tea Party I know.
Of coarse the left is going to lie about what the Tea Party is about. Just like the hoodlums I knew hated the block watch programs. Interfered with them "Doing their Thing"
I don"t like those that want everything and they don't have to put in their fair share of the work because they are lazy or feel entitled to it. This country is going down because they seem to be in the majority and the left loves them. Keeps them in power and the useful idiots on the droll.
Just look at the sodomizing the Islamics do in Europe and their own lands. Welcome to the new way of doing things. Also the New Years rape molest fest: Sweden, Germany etc.
We need guns to protect ourselves from such and worse.Doug,
The older conservatives whose main objective in life was to limit any government help needed by people, and they hated both FDR for his New Deal, and then Johnson for passing the Civil Rights Act. This "group" always exists, they just call themselves different things in different generations. Now they are the Tea Party.
The view I write of is not wrong, the author is a well respected political writer, E.J. Dionne is in his 60's and has lived through most of what he writes about. Yes, he is a liberal, or what I would call sensible and sees things the way they are. A publisher doesn't just publish any crazy conspiracy theory any nut writes, they must give an author an advance and the books have to sell. I realize you would not be interested in this point of view, but that doesn't make it less valid to those who do. You think any crazy blogger that writes preaching hatred of anyone with views that aren't yours is wrong.
I could start a blog tomorrow and say any nutty thing I wanted, and people who agreed with me would love it.
Hi Jean: You are the only one that answered the question so far. Ultra conservatives are suffering from group think. They convince each other they are right, but they don't think out of the box as far as critical thinking goes. All the republican congressmen candidates became congressmen as a result of the Tea Party. Now it is called the Freedom Caucus. But in any case, those candidates are all freshman congressmen and they are still wet behind the ears. They don't have any experience as to how to run a country in terms of domestic policy or foreign affairs. They do know how to block Obama's every move and shutdown the government in order to get their way.
I hope you are right about them never winning a presidential election. The older ones are set in their ways and younger ones are idealist without any real experience. To me, the only one that makes any sense about the mid-east conflict is Rand Paul. He wants us to get out of the mid-east.And stick our collective heads in the sand as the world crumbles around us while we are at it.
It's not sticking our heads in the sand. It's thinking you can do the same thing over and over, yet get different results. That's also a definition of crazy. The R's promise everything you want to hear, but can't solve most of the problems. All they do is knock everything the D's accomplish, and have no ideas of their own. They want to abolish Obamacare, to be replaced with what? They want to impeach Hillary the first day she is sworn in, which is completely idiotic. They don't sound the least bit intelligent. My friend's daughter did a study in college when George W. Bush won his second term, and found that many R's have lower IQ's. I'm not saying I agree with that, but many don't seem to be big thinkers. Look at the current R's. They have no new ideas about health care, education, want to put women's rights back to the 1800's, and refuse to accept any Hispanic people, even if they were born here (unlike Ted Cruz).
Everything is too polarized and nobody is willing to negotiate. We can't afford more war. Let the Middle East fight their Civil Wars. They were mostly British colonies taken over, and then split into counties with no thought that they were putting 3 or 4 tribes who had nothing in common together, ideas, language, religion, nothing. Saudi Arabia has money, let them put up some money to end the problems out there.The Kurds should be given their own homeland. Should have been done after WWI. Or again after Gulf war in the 90's. Or even now!
The Christian Armenians around Turkey in 1915 where slaughtered back to 1/4 their original number by the Turkish Muslim gov. They need a homeland too! This, BTW, was shortly after a gun ban and search of every Armenian house and biz. Just like Obama/regime would like to do to us!
That slaughter, which included crucifying naked teenaged Christian girls on crosses, by the Moslems of the Ottoman Empire emboldened Hitler for his final solution to the Jewish problem. History forgot all about what happened to the Armenians.
And yet, the Democrats have only one solution to everything; let someone else pay for what we want. Throw money (obtained from someone that won't benefit from the latest great project) at everything. Even your last sentence follows that: the Saudis have money, so let them pay for what others want.
So the Dems "solve" problems, but slowly and inexorably drive the nation into third world status. Following the path of Greece and other EU nations is not the answer to anything but buying votes for socialist politicians that will promise anything to extend their influence just a little further.I said let the Saudis fix the Middle East because most of the terrorists from 9/11 came from there. Of course, they do have money, let them spend it in their part of the world. And I don't think we should get so involved in civil and tribal wars out there, we always back the wrong person when we prop up a new leader, and then the new terrorist group ends up with all our weapons. Whenever we get involved in the Middle East, we seem to do the wrong thing.
I'm not a Socialist, and don't think people who make no effort should get everything handed to them. But if everyone would make a small effort to try to work together, a lot of the problems in this country could be solved. It hurts everyone when the government shuts down. We have great minds out there somewhere, I wonder why they stay clear of politics.Nobody can fix the problems in the Middle East until, like the Catholics and Protestants finally did, the Sunnis and Shi'as learn to tolerate each other and live in peaceful coexistence.
Why can't America simply ignore what happens there? Because the Middle East is the cross-roads of the world and if it blows up, so goes the rest of the world including America.I don't know why there is so little tolerance for anything or anyone a little different from another.
It seems even when people say stuff like "We should just nuke ___________ insert country, off the Earth, they forget that will affect the whole Earth, and we'd be in the middle of nuclear winter in a few days. The people who died first would be lucky. It seems like people either don't think before they speak, or take little time to research what they are talking about.
Then why has Obama and Dems led America past the Europeans, all of them, and every other major nation in terms of growth during his 7 years as President?? How is that possible under your scenario?
How did the economy grow under Clinton better than any other nation, other than China, during his 8 years? How is that even possible if you are right?
Conclusion - you must be wrong.The only reason there came to be a government surplus under Clinton is because the shadow-gov't was preparing for the war that would be started after they pulled off that 9/11 stunt and blamed the filthy, evil Moslems when it was really Talmudic Jews and the Bush-family. Now they are collecting BUNDLES under Obamacare for the next big war which is called "World War Three". Why should my health be of any concern to the Federal gov't.? Public healthcare should never go beyond the state level. The money collected by ACA will be used to finance WW3 per the plan of General Albert Pike.
Obamacare shouldn't have been implanted to begin with. Quick question what person would want to vote for a party that tells it's people that there representatives can't take time to read a large and complex piece of legislation before voting on it. (Nancy Pelosi saying that we have to pass it in order to find out what's in it) and I have seen more harm come from it then good. My hours at work have been cut drastically since that bill has pass plus many other harmful side effects of it too.
Has far has the FDR thing goes the great depression of the 1930's was the longest depression suffer in this country but it did not start off has the deepest, I always like to read history books written by liberals one of them said the reason why we elected Harding was because the country was just tired of expanding women rights and the progressives. No the country was in a depression so great starting in the 1920's that police forces were going on strike and causing anarchy. Calvin Coolidge who would later become presedent himself got to Washington because he fired all of Bostons on strike police force and called in national reserves to quell the violence. That was the real progressive legacy under Woodrow Wilson (and he was also a Klan supporter too).
Anyways I wonder how many liberals now days would agree with FDR first big government solution to the problem. He basically made it law where big business could dictate prices and business polcys to small business. It was called the NRA and was laughed out of the supreme court.tommylop,
I always thought it was ridiculous that when Obamacare was first introduced, the public was told, "It's such a long document to read." That's so condescending to all voters, no matter what party they are from. I admit it's expensive, you can't keep your own doctor, and the Medicaid extensions just made it so many of the doctors were not of the best caliber. My son was a substitute teacher at the time, with a bad digestive disorder, and we couldn't find a doctor he could go to for an endoscopy to see if it was ulcers, cancer, or what.
But I don't know what the solution is. It's not an easy one, for sure. Now that millions are on it, and some are happy with it, I don't think the Obamacare should be taken away from them. Many people (like my once substitute teacher son, who also had a night job) work, and couldn't afford anything else. I think a single payer system would be easier and better for our health, but not our pocketbooks. Implementing a large, new system would create jobs. I recently went on Medicare and it was a nightmare of hours of sitting on the phone on hold, never getting questions answered, etc. I don't know how we would pay for another system. But should we rip away what is not a great start, but a start nonetheless, and see if we can improve on it in some ways?
Hi peoplepower73,
Although I don't agree with everything Rand Paul says, I do like that he doesn't want to get us into another stupid war. I think there are people still out there that think war is like WWII, and that it helps the economy. Our citizens are against many of these wars. It may surprise some, but Rachel Maddow from MSNBC wrote a good book about how Presidents since Vietnam have went to war without the people's consent. She's actually hawkish and a lot more conservative than people think. The book is called Drift. And it's always the poorest people who go and get killed, or the ones who live and maybe now get a college education for it.
Before the 2008 election, Michael Moore took a survey, and Joe Biden was the only politician who actually had a son in the military. They usually don't send their own.
Anyway, back to Rand Paul. I like that he doesn't want to put kids in jail for smoking pot too. I think we need to stay put in the U.S. and fix our problems at home before we get involved in anymore foreign engagements. As far as immigration, you can't kick 11,000,000 people out of the country like that.The general population is pissed at the congress for continually going back on their word.
The Tea party are those chosen by the people to correct that shituation. The established Reps don't want their boat rocked. Then the new ones are usually forced to conform to the "Good ol' boy" network and the people are pissed again.
The Tea party is a cross section of the grass roots movement looking to correct the corrupt gov. by voting in those that say they will do this.
Why do you think they got rid of John Boehner? He folded way too much. Paul Ryan isn't much better.
The left has their equivalent too:
The Democratic Freedom Caucus (DFC). Its members are more likely to support individual and personal freedoms. But in a more negative sleazy way. Abortions, sex changes. gay and other types of non traditional unions, drugs, forced Islamic depraved customs, Europe has shown where that leads to.
So what is it? the new are too inexperienced and the old are too set in there ways. The young ones have to break the mold or they will become just like the old. Has to start somewhere. Perhaps more middle aged ones elected with real world private experience.
Gov. shutdown is what it may take!
I repeat: Clean out the whole rotten mess and start over. No parties next time!
The government shutdowns cost us a lot of money. I agree many of the one term senators don't have enough experience to do much, they need time to build relationships to get anything done. And yes, the young have to break the mold in each generation.
But in the U.S., it's not happening enough. Too many hang onto the old ideas that hurt us.I wouldn't trust a lot of the tea party on there words a lot of them support Trump. Now I do admire Trumps ability to not be politically correct, but not being PC isn't the same thing has being nasty and thin skinned which is what Trump is. You look at his record and it's opposite of what I think a Regan conservative would be. For example in the 90's he did try to use imminent domain to take someone's house when they wouldn't sell it to them so he could expand a parking lot at one of his casinos. Fortunately the progressives on the supreme court hadn't rule that would be legal do that and they were able to keep the house from him.
You people are ALL lost until you realize both NPR & Fox News are owned and operated by the exact same evil-cabal of global-elite. The Democrats and the Republicans are also under their control. They have been playing good-cop/bad-cop with the American electorate for a good century while they surreptitiously build the New World Order for their Zionist masters who are doing Satan's bidding.
Rush, Glen, Henity, Levin are all conservatives. Even though they are featured on Fox and Blaze they are not staunch republicans.
Who gives a balanced view? Any suggestions? Anyone?
Christ will come back to Israel and save those there. You say they are not Zionists? What then do you say they are?Zionists are not necessarily God's chosen people. He made a covenant with the Israelites He will not break, but not all who say the are Jews are. Instead they are a den of vipers(reptilians?).
The president is about to follow pass a bill on guns some people take weapons and use them the wrong way.killing others
The best we can do is read the King James Version Bible and pray. The Bible says the Antichrist will try to change laws and times. Kenyan-born Obama is trying to take away our unalienable right to own and carry firearms.
- ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
There is always something messy about Idealists , "Its just wrong to kill for any reason " , yeaa right ....unless you catch some drug addict raping your daughter in the living room , some one moving towards your wife with a switchblade in the bedroom at one AM..........then "murder" is just something that was just the right thing to do .
Hey guys figure it out , WB. is a performer right ? One who's ego centric needs involve standing before a crowded room and performing , ....got news for you , it's no different when he sits in the blue glow of his laptop at two am.
He's a shock jock ......a Howard Stern wanna -be. - ahorsebackposted 9 years ago0
NOT ONE NEW GUN RESTRICTION , not one new law addition to what is already in place in this totally incompetent system is going to change anything .Suicide , murder , crime rates , will be remain unaffected by congress , senate or white house executive action . They never have nor will they change according to legal adjustments to the system , WHY , because the depressed , the criminal , the gang member , or the man about to self annihilate himself or someone else from the face of the earth , Cares absolutely nothing about a legal restriction .
Anybody who doesn't get that , is totally blind to reality , OR has an agenda of other personal interests !Problem is, the DATA says you are wrong and that you are the one blind to reality. The fact that you don't believe the research results is of no consequence just like my disbelief in a Christian-type God is of know consequence to Christians (other than not that long ago, they would have persecuted me for my belief. now the fundamentalists just want to)
You mean your own data that shows no statistically significant correlation between homicide rates and gun ownership? The data that you ignore and maintain there is a correlation even if you can't find one? That data?
For all you gun people out there, how many guns are there in the U.S.? According to the Washington Post it could be as high as 360 million or as “low” as 245 million: Let's take the lower figure of 245 million.
How many of your guns have been confiscated so far? The answer is none.
How long do you think it would take to confiscate 245 million guns? The answer is a long time.
How would the government go about doing it? I don't know, do you?
If a gun loving candidate becomes president, you have nothing to worry about. If it an anti-gun president, takes your guns away, it is a violation of the 2nd amendment...period...end of story. Welcome to reality. All this paranoia about guns and tyranny is just that, right wing propaganda.
Look at the militiamen in Oregon, they wanted to graze their cattle on a Federal Wildlife Refuge, for God's sake and they owed 10 million in back taxes to boot. They were armed to the teeth. One of them pulled a gun on a law enforcement officer and he was taken out immediately. There is your well regulated militia of the 2nd amendment against the tyranny. Only, it was the reverse, they were the tyrants by trying to occupy federal land and defend themselves from those who really owned it...We the people of these here United States, by virtue of paying our taxes."How many of your guns have been confiscated so far? The answer is none."
You might ask handgun owners in various cities. Or owners of those dreaded "assault rifles" everyone is banning. Or people committing a felony while owning a gun. Or the Jewish population in Germany, 1938. Or the citizens of any of dozens of countries.
"How would the government go about doing it? I don't know, do you?"
Check with Australia - they made a good start on the program. Or, again, any of those countries that have accomplished doing it.
"There is your well regulated militia of the 2nd amendment against the tyranny."
Really? A handful of cattle ranchers in a pickup truck is a "well regulated militia"? This is the best you can offer - a silly, ridiculous statement plainly aimed at ridiculing the 2A? Guess we shouldn't be surprised, though - it is seen very often when there is nothing of substance or truth to counter facts and truth with.Wilderness: This is the United State of America with a 2nd Amendment and a population of over 300 million. This is not any of the countries you mentioned. Even though I would love to have the 2nd Amendment amended for modern times, it is what it is and in its present form, it does protect your civilian rights to own guns.
Banning the further sale of any type of firearm is not the same as confiscating firearms from owners of said weapons.
No, a handful of cattle ranchers in a pickup truck is not a well regulated militia. I was being sarcastic. They call themselves Militiamen. My point is they were on federal property that tax payers own, but the irony is they didn't pay their back taxes of 10 million and still wanted to graze their cattle on said land that is a National Wild Life Refuge, not their private property. And they were bearing arms against the United States of America. Isn't that anarchy?
Yes, the 2nd Amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but you better be careful who you bear them against.*shrug* When enough people don't like the 2A it will be worked around and chipped at through the "back door" (as we see being done now) or abolished altogether. Which will happen, although not in my lifetime, I think.
Yes, those yahoos in Oregon called themselves "militiamen", but they aren't. And yes, it was an example of anarchy in action - "I have the guns and will do as I please", just as protesters all over the world do (albeit with numbers rather than guns).
Which has nothing to do with gun control laws - that is the opposite (although just as objectionable) of anarchy, with the majority of loud voices promoting lies and half truths to control a minority for no more reason than they want to. Something our constitution was designed to prevent, but it can only do so much as irrational but emotional arguments are always more effective to such a large portion of the populace. And, of course, we've had 200 years to figure out how to get around it, and do so as often as possible and as often as the powerful in the country can advantage themselves by doing so.I would modify this part of your statement "Banning the further sale of any type of firearm is not the same as confiscating firearms from owners of said weapons." to "Banning the further sale of the types of firearm even Justice Scalia would agree do not qualify as "arms that aren't subject to the 2A" is not the same as confiscating firearms from owners of said weapons.
Sorry, but Scalia is NOT on board with banning any gun simply because it has cosmetic additions to it's normal function. Only the states are taking that ignorant stance, and only then because an ignorant population demands that something, anything at all, be done to control school shootings. And they've been fed a line of BS that a barrel shroud or handgrip makes a gun more dangerous and are ignorant enough to actually believe such nonsense.
Scalia ABSOLUTELY is! From Heller opinion
1 Nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions on the commercial sale of arms.[70] (Let's repeat something ... "or laws imposing conditions on the commercial sale of arms."!!!
2. Scalia stated: "Whatever the reason, handguns are the most popular weapon chosen by Americans for self-defense in the home, and a complete prohibition of their use is invalid." "We think that Miller’s “ordinary military equipment” language must be read in tandem with what comes after: “[O]rdinarily when called for [militia] service [able-bodied] men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.” 307 U. S., at 179." "We therefore read Miller to say only that the Second Amendment does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns." "It may be objected that if weapons that are most useful in military service – M-16 rifles and the like – may be banned, then the Second Amendment right is completely detached from the prefatory clause. But as we have said, the conception of the militia at the time of the Second Amendment’s ratification was the body of all citizens capable of military service, who would bring the sorts of lawful weapons that they possessed at home to militia duty."[78]
3. Justice Antonin Scalia's opinion for the majority provided Second Amendment protection for commonly used and popular handguns but not for atypical arms or arms used for unlawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns.
4. The Supreme Court thus emphatically rejected the extravagant, or as Justice Scalia characterized it, startling notion, still promoted by some, that the Second Amendment could fulfill its original purposes only if citizens were guaranteed a right to arm themselves to the teeth, matching in their private armories essentially the full array of weapons possessed by the United States Military.”
5. Justice Scalia explained the basis in history for exempting certain types of regulations from Second Amendment review. Certain limitations on gun ownership are constitutionally permissible, he contended, because there were some regulations that were acknowledged at the time [of the Founding. For example, there was a tort called affrighting . . . if you carried around a really horrible weapon just to scare people, like a head ax or something. . . . What the justice evidently meant was that regulating weapons because they are chosen specifically for their intimidating appearance is constitutionally unproblematic because the very use of intimidation is unnecessarily disruptive to organized society.
6. The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) — officially, the Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act — is a subsection of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a United States federal law that included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms it defined as assault weapons, as well as certain ammunition magazines it defined as "large capacity." ... Several constitutional challenges were filed against provisions of the ban, but all were rejected by reviewing courts.
Had to save this off to start a new hub.
The Ausses almost gave the top half of their country to the Nips. The U.S. Marines held the Japs off at Guadalcanal. A huge part of the army was drafted. They didn't seem to want to fight. The enlisted did but the population didn't.
They are setting themselves up for another invasion attempt. TWIST
Peoplepower ,no , you've got it all wrong. The government , here anyway , isn't going to take away anything . Think about it , they cant even take drugs from drug gangs . They can't take bad trading from wall street entities , they can't take liberal rhetoric from morons . No , I'm not worried about Uncle Sam .......when he's ready he'll offer a thousand dollars per gun like all other government confiscators.
What I am worried about as a law abiding gun owner ......Is the swaying opinion of the public stupidity , you cannot deny that the public today is basically naïve to reality , That which requires simply the common sense vision of real and honest statistics an it's comprehension , is lost. Keep up the lies though and scream the loudest !, Sooner or later the masses follow the volume ! The lie becomes truth because of volume ,..............and you know that !
The MAIN reason we even have our God-given right to own and carry is to protect ourselves, and our property, from an overreaching government like we have now under Kenyan-born Obama.
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