Someone I know just posted two painful to watch Facebook Videos of Muslims beating and/or stoning two young women to death supposedly minor infractions of their laws. This was the most horrible thing I have ever seen and was shown to advise people to vote for Trump because "Hillary" wants to allow animals like this to enter our country.
First, I do not think FB should allow such atrocities to be posted online, and second, I think trying to incite anti Muslim sentiment by displaying this type of brutality is a disgrace.
Are we to assume that every single Muslim man in the world behaves this way? Are we to assume that Hillary or anybody would be so stupid as to allow this type of behavior in the US no matter who is doing it?
I am totally disgusted that someone would post this type of material in order to make a political statement. Shame on them!
Indeed. A similar comment could be made about the guy who gunned down two Muslims in New York recently. Killing people for stupid reasons is a widespread human malfunction.
I assume the women who were stoned were Muslim too. Things like this are why so many people want to escape. Trump won't make things any better for them, or for us.
I disagree. This is lawful practice in some countries. We need to accept that. Someone commented about muslims being gunned down in New York. It's important to note that is unlawful. Big difference.
Whether we like it or not, an immigrant from such an environment may not agree with us that such unlawful practices are inhumane. We hear reports of honor killings in our country from time to time so I would think this would be evidence that our laws are not always respected on this point.
If you find the video abhorrent don't watch it but don't think it doesn't happen simply because we don't like it.
Doesn't this thread belong on the Topical Forums? Technology>Internet & the Web>Social Networking>Facebook
Maybe so, but I was so upset after seeing this that I just posted it the easiest way. BTW...is where people post stuff more important than what they have to say? Really?
I for one am not interested in reading things like this when I go to the HubPages Forums. I actually find it extremely annoying—especially if it's a Hubber who knows better.
Really? You saw the Topic Heading and read it anyhow. That was your choice.
I saw the title of your thread, opened it, scanned your first post and reported it. Had it been in the correct forum, I wouldn't have been forced to see your thread at the top of the discussion list in the HubPages Forums. It belongs in the Topical Forums.
Imagine the state these forums would be in if everybody were to think like you.
What is wrong with you?? I bring up an extremely important issue and all you can think about is where I posted it? Really?
Your "extremely important issue" does not belong on the HubPages Forums, which is why I quite rightly reported your thread. It belongs on the Topical Forums.
If I want to see threads about political and social issues etc., I go to the Topical Forums. I do not seek such threads when I go to the HubPages Forums. The forums on HubPages are organized in the way they are for a reason.
BTW: You do realize that you posted your "extremely important issue" in a forum intended for vacuous fun? That is what the Freeform Discussion forum is for.
A few weeks earlier I saw worse... For a day I had to force myself to think of something other than what I saw. Facebook needs to ban such stuff. Any more and I may have to quit going to facebook altogether.
I'm glad you brought this up here, on Facebook since it's random people who post I cant comment without trolls all around. Also glad in a way that you put it on the general forums, else I'd not have found it.
,,,and this is exactly why I placed it here. I can't imagine what could have been worse than what I saw yesterday, but it definitely had a terrible effect on me, so I know exactly how you felt. Posting things like this raises negative emotions in borderline people and makes them think it's OK to go out and kill Muslims (or whoever such videos discuss). It's very upsetting.
So, something actually happening within our world creates negative emotions, so it shouldn't be shown? We can't bury our heads in the sand. I don't watch violent videos but I do believe it to be important to be realistic about the world we live in.
Islam does allow the lawful subjugation of women. It does allow them to be punished for things as simple as wearing pants. There are, I'm sure, thousands of admirable things within their societies but this practice is inhumane.
I say as long as countries under sharia law allow these things to be done it would be a disservice to our fellow human beings to sweep it under the rug, complain when it doesn't remain hidden and lament the fact that we can't pretend this inhumane behavior doesn't exist.
Show me where the punishment for such things includes beating and stoning women to death. Furthermore, negative emotions are one thing, but when people are incited to act on them, it's quite another. The world is full of mentally imbalanced people who would see something like this and assume that because it's made visible, it's OK to do the same sorts of things and/or assume that ALL Muslim people behave this way and then go after them violently.
I agree that we need to understand that this is a violent world we live in, but I don't agree that publishing such graphic content online to "prove" it is a good thing.
I realize violent people will react violently to violence. But, that doesn't negate the value of exposing violence to the world.
If you want evidence that some Islamic countries go over and above with violent punishment for what we perceive as not even crimes it is easy to find. If you really wanted the truth you'd search it out for yourself. Not ask me to do it for you.
You're missing my point here. I disagree that there is value in posting graphic violence videos or images publicly. I asked you for proof about Sharia Law, but you were unable to provide it. You are the one making those statements, not me. If you can't back them up, then they lose credibility.
Yes, it is a disgrace and shame on the part of a reputed website like Facebook allowing such heinous posts on their site and thereby lower their reputation.
Not only these, there are many other shameful and objectionable videos going rounds on Facebook disgracing the womanhood and moral values of society. The Facebook should ban all such activities on their website and maintain decency.
Maybe these videos showing the REAL Islam should be on national television in America . Why not divert the eye's of your children from" game boy "violence to violence of the the real thing , Show everyone how violent a cult culture truly is before you move them in next door to your daughters !
...or maybe show videos of the better side of Islam on national TV in America. The violence is perpetrated by thugs and radicals. They are the minority in Muslim states and should never be given air time in any form because this incites other people to commit violent acts against those who truly ARE good people. All cultures, including those in the US, have these types of crap people in them, but they never represent the majority. If they ever do, it's over for all of us!
As of September 2010, stoning is a punishment that is included in the laws in some countries including Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Iran, Somalia, Yemen and some predominantly Muslim states in northern Nigeria as punishment for Zina ("adultery by married persons").[4
I think you can simultaneously acknowledge that some Islamic countries are barbaric in their laws and that not all Muslims are bad people.
When it comes to Sharia Law the extent to which it's supported and even the basic understanding of what it means varies from country to country and person to person. You'll find one country that is overwhelmingly supportive of a woman's right to divorce her husband and another country that strongly opposes it.
A lot of what Islam opposes is not so different from other religions (homosexuality, abortion, sex before marriage, etc.). You see those being hot topics in a lot of religions. The difference of course are the punishments and consequences, and this is very much a symptom of environment in my opinion. Violence begets violence, hate breeds hate, and on and on. It's especially easy to get caught up in those cycles living in poor countries where change is not a possibility at the hands of civilians because most of them simply don't know any better, they have not been educated or shown any autonomy. You would not see stonings, beatings, etc. taking place in a majority of Islamic countries (not legally, anyway) but it does happen in the most impoverished places.
I do agree that sweeping it under the rug is pointless. I am huge advocate for not painting all Muslims with the same brush but that includes not saying "all Muslims are really good people." Some of them are not. Some of them have been born into and raised in an incredibly inhumane system and have come to adopt inhumane beliefs as a result.
Think about all of the things that have previously been considered to be acceptable around the world and some which still are. Look at even our fairly progressive part of the world - how long ago was it that women weren't even allowed to vote? How long ago did we see blacks segregated? Why are we still circumcising baby boys like it's nothing? Why are people still fighting to deny women the right to have an abortion? The ideas of what's right and what's wrong are evolving all the time, and while it's easy for us to look at what's going on in some countries across the world and say "that is clearly not okay" it's sometimes very difficult to see the error in your OWN behaviour until people actually fight to show you. But as I said before, they're stuck. They're stuck in a really nasty cycle of poverty and unawareness and violence.
How do we help them get out of it? I don't know. But pretending it's not happening isn't going to help. I can completely understand not wanting to see graphic content but shutting out the basic idea of bad stuff happening just allows the bad stuff to thrive.
I have very good friends who are Muslims. I think the vast, vast majority of Muslims living in developed countries with good education and a good quality of life are accepting, kind, and open-minded individuals. Again, it's so easy to see how the environment in any given country affects how Sharia Law is implemented and carried out. It's really bad in some countries. But life is also really bad in general in those same countries. It's not a coincidence.
Anyway, I think using it as a political statement or a scare tactic is the complete OPPOSITE of what we should be doing. We shouldn't be saying "keep these people out, force them to stay in an unhealthy environment." We should be taking notes on why some Islamic countries have come to implement Sharia Law under only particular circumstances (ones that don't require any sort of punishment) and how we can help the ones in the thick of the worst understandings of Sharia Law come out of it. When we see/hear the bad things we should be thinking "how can we help these people?" and not "how can I keep these people away from me?"
I mean, it sucks that you saw a video you didn't want to see. But we're talking about it now, right? Now you get to figure out what you want to do with the information.
Thank you for posting this intelligent and sensible information here. This isn't so much about someone posting a video I did not want to see, but rather that he was using it to make a political statement. However, I do feel that placing something like that on a social networking site is inappropriate for the reasons I mentioned earlier. My point in posting my views here was to get a discussion started as well as to let others know what happened. There is little I can do with the information I shared because well over 1.5 million people had viewed it as of yesterday. All I can do is state my feelings and listen to what others think. If even one person realizes that inciting violence by posting graphic visuals of it is bad, then I have done something. This, by the way, is not "sweeping the info under the carpet". In fact, it accomplishes just the opposite. In my mind you don't have to display violence in order to describe and condemn it and you certainly should never use it as a means to support your personal choice for President because no one person will ever be able to change the types of things that go on in primitive cultures.
I agree with everything you've said except for the part of helping countries mired in the worst interpretation of sharia law find ways to come out of it.
If that society wants to live in that manner I'm not certain it is our place to deem them in need of change. It's their choice. As horrible as that sounds it is still a form of freedom they have a right to.
I don't mean to say that we should tell them what to do, but try to find a way to provide them with the tools that will help them go in the direction of the other countries that have adopted more humane practices. It is absolutely, 100% their choice. But I think you can arm people with education and information that can help make more enlightened choices.
That said, I'm not sure most people do, in reality, have much of a choice in really strict religious countries. I think those who benefit from the status quo make the choice to change nothing and when an environment is THAT oppressive and the consequences for challenging anyone or anything are THAT extreme, the vast majority of people probably don't feel like they have the freedom to choose how to live.
This is something to be approached with great care. When we interfere in another country, whether by "boots on the ground", economic sanctions or providing tools for the citizenry to foment rebellion in order to "guide" them to our "better" way of life we become the antithesis of the liberty and tolerance we espouse.
"Encouraging" other peoples to make "enlightened" choices (translation - to think, believe and live as we think best) is not accepting others as they are. It is changing them into what we consider superior.
You're right. I know that. I'm guilty of philosophizing too much and being too optimistic and oversimplifying things for sure. It is just so frustrating that it's so hard to get people to stop hurting each other.
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