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   Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years ago

   Since I was banned for three days and Hub won't let me know what I said; I want to know if the person that instigated has it in them to tell me who they are?
   
   This was probably about a topic on Israel and I thouht a comment had an underlying racial tone. This Jew isn't willing to be stepped on. Is the person responsible for this willing to let themselves be known, or do the shadows please you?
   
   I hope this message didn't offend anyone.

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      sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I had to wear the pointed hat as well. You're right it may have been because I got in it with a weenie about the palastinian situation and I was gone, don't know for sure.

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      Jason Menayanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      HubPages rules about what's acceptable behavior in the forums are fairly explicit (you can see a link to it to your left every time you post something).
      
      And no one can ban you except HubPages staff. People might report you for violations of the rules, but if we don't see a violation we ignore the report.

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         PirateGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I think you are really fair, the 3 day ban is a good idea as most sites just ban the member for good. Yer kinda cute, not that annoyed now I know you do the bans

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         sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I'm not real bright, it would be nice to know what was said that caused the 'ban'.

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            Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            That's why I posted this, I want to find the person. They won't show their face, shadows are nice.

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         Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         They don't have the **** to say they contacted Hub.

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      Several Ninjasposted 15 years agoin reply to this

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         Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Suggestion?

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      AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You didn't offend me and my hats off to you for standing up for what you believe. Some of my closest friends are Jewish and although we may agree or disagree on our own personal beliefs we admire and adore each other just the same. I can bet the person who had you banned is not going to be brave enough and that is sad and unfortunate. Address what you feel it is o.k. with me.

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      Jellyrugposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Hint....
      
      Read HubPages rules, read your forum posts, sure you will figure it out.

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   sunforgedposted 15 years ago

   It wasnt me, but when one glances at your forum post history they see this:
   
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       Tell us about all the oil deal? I guess that's why prices went up? posted 4 days ago
   
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       Thanks Tex. posted 4 days ago #
   
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       What a fool they have produced in a wonderful country. Republican's bare respnsibility for this also, it's just that they have NO power now. If Iran nukes Israel, do you think they will stop there? What about the... posted 4 days ago #
   
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       Thanks for the protection from a real tool. posted 4 days ago #
   
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       Well said! posted 4 days ago #
   
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       That system is in danger. posted 4 days ago #
   
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       So why am I a tool? posted 4 days ago #
   
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       I chaned my mind, you are an anti-semetic piece of garbage. posted 4 days ago #
   
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       You large piece of ****. If I said what you did, you would call me anti-Semetic. We aren't deciding alone smart ass. I was one of YOU during Vietnam. My intelligence taught me to change much of my thinking a few years... posted 4 days ago #
   
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       Who among you is willing to admit they did not believe Iran wanted nuclear weapons? Talk the talk, now walk the walk! posted 5 days ago #
   
   
   It looks like you allowed yourself to get caught up and directed your comments directly at a few people ie You large piece of _______, ...smart ass etc.
   
   I didnt even bother reading the thread, but its rather likely that was the offense.
   
   You can insult the anti-Semites, without using the word 'you" and you would have been fine
   
   ie. Anti Semites are pieces of shit, People who talk like that are large pieces of shit, etc. Im sure they would get the point and you wouldnt be responsible for a direct attack

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Four days ago I was not on the Forums, I had been banned. I admit to using a few words that I shouldn't have, but I've suffered racial discrimination many times (physically  and mentally). I didn't alway take it then and I'm not going to take it now, would you?

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         bgamallposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Hey Harvey, I descend from Jewish folks on my father's side and am adopted. I haven't experienced the things you have. Here is the problem, most Jews and descendents of Jews are subscribed to ethics and morals either in the Hebrew context or in a Christian context. However, there are some descendents of Jews who are notorious amoral and or atheistic criminals, ie Leo Strauss, Paul Wolfowitz who was his student, etc.
         
         And then throw in the banksters and you have a lot of people who have Jewish names but no moral compass ripping off the American people. But people don't understand that these folks are not Jewish. Leo Strauss was a Zionist but he was not Jewish. His parents were but he was an amoral atheist who believed that the elite should lie to the masses about all war and policy.
         
         So, my point is, people must understand that those apostate Jews who were marxist, or neocons, or banksters, or whatever, are not Jews, but are atheistic amoral deviants. It is not educated or fair for folks to blame those who are moral Jews for the actions of a small handful who were amoral and dangerous political radicals.

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            Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Do you know it was a Jew?

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Someone had a lot of time.

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   missalyssaposted 15 years ago

   I'm not sure why you were banned Harvey but what I've realized in the forums - especially political and religious - a lot of people get VERY emotional. While these are emotional topics, as writers, we all have the ability to explain our views in a way that is neither insulting nor pointed. i have no problem with anything you said (that I read on this thread) and I understand that the issues are close to you.....but my advice would be - use your talent as a writer to explain your point to the a**holes that don't get it You don't have to take it, but use your words in a positive way to fight it

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      rmcrayneposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Wow, what a well thought out and considerate response.  I'm impressed.

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      That's easy to say; have you faced racism a lot?

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   Crazdwriterposted 15 years ago

   wow Harvey sorry you got banned dude. I can tell you right now it wasn't me! But glad the ban is over with for you.

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks, I appreciate.

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   lrohnerposted 15 years ago

   Wow Harvey. I didn't realize you were banned either. (Although the political forums were a bit quiet...)
   
   With the new HP law about "personal attacks", ya just gotta be careful how you word things.
   
   But I will say this, you join a very elite and impressive group of PB's (Previously Banned)!

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I am honored.

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   PirateGirlposted 15 years ago

   Ive been banned 3 times and I am nice

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      mandybeau1posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I know someone that got banned.
      They are behaving now. (Well in for much that they can) I know who banned me there were more than one. I just won't ever fan them, not that I thought that they were fannable to start with.
      Let it wash over you.

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         Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Splash!

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I think some people are just here to ban someone. Three times, sounds like you have a stalker. Notice, they never fess up. The site doesn't even show you why, maybe the site does it. A new conspiracy theory.

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   Jane@CMposted 15 years ago

   Sorry Harvey.  Not that you did this, but its a good word to the wise to leave out the swear words & name calling.

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   donotfearposted 15 years ago

   I didn't know you were banned, either, Harvey. Well, we knew it was coming sooner or later, huh? You know what I mean...  It may be because of the #$@*(( or using certain words. Then again, they may have thought the material too controversial. You're back on again, so come on down!

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks!

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   Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

   As has been stated, individual members cannot ban people.
   
   As Jason said:
   
   "HubPages rules about what's acceptable behavior in the forums are fairly explicit (you can see a link to it to your left every time you post something).
   
   And no one can ban you except HubPages staff. People might report you for violations of the rules, but if we don't see a violation we ignore the report."
   
   Best to just ignore that you were banned (it's not like you are the only person it ever happened to) and go about your business.

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      Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I shall survive!

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    rmcrayneposted 15 years ago

    Harvey I’m sorry something happened to you to make you this upset.  I’ve certainly had things happen to me that were hurtful, and I had great difficulty letting go.  I still have days where these things will pop up unexpectedly, and invade my thoughts. 
    
    Yes sunforged did seem to take a lot of time in researching his post.  But then, to me, your response was an insult to him.  I think he laid it out pretty well, with the punch line being:  You broke the rules.  You used profanity in name calling, which is considered a personal attack, which is against the rules. 
    
    Many people have responded to you here.  Some in jest and some quite seriously.  Seems you’re not finished being angry, and the only answer you want is “who dunnit”.  Suppose someone knew who [if anyone] reported you and precipitated your ban, and told you.  Then what?

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       Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

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    bgamallposted 15 years ago

    Harvey, above your asked me if I knew if you were a Jew. Sorry, I must have misread your first post where you said you were a Jew, I thought:) You said: "This Jew isn't going to be stepped on" or words to that effect.
    
    I would have thought you would have commented on my analysis, which I thought was a contribution to a lot of confusion about Jews and their descendents. But, oh well.

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       Harvey Stelmanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       What would you like me to say? There are good and bad in all, our opinions will probably differ. I also doubt you have gone through the descrimination I have. Write me and we'll talk. Be prepared to talk about guns, knifes, baseball bats, beatings, etc.

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          bgamallposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I believe you about your discrimination experiences. I certainly fight for a rational argument rather than people resorting to racism which only weakens their arguments. Racism always weakens the arguments people make, even if the arguments have merit.
          
          But no I have not experienced the discrimination.

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