jump to last post 1-4 of 4 discussions (37 posts)

Trump blames Obama for lack of harmony at GOP Town Halls, How Sad?

  1. Credence2 profile image81
    Credence2posted 9 months ago

    This fellow is never one to take responsibility for his own problems and shortcomings This is why he has never impressed me as presidential timber, but more like a piece of balsam wood. Constantly blaming others is NOT Presidential.

    What evidence does Trump have for this outrageous charge outside of the fact that he "hears things"?



    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/t … all-235481

    By the way, does KellyAnn come across as a Gangster's Moll in this photo? Is she that 'familiar' with the President in the face of official business? Does Trump know how this looks as to how seriously he takes this gathering outside just another photo op? I promised not to sweat the small stuff, but this was too good to let get away.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/kellyanne-co … 23849.html

    1. Dean Traylor profile image96
      Dean Traylorposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Not surprised. He never took the blame when his business deals went belly-up. And, he always had a scapegoat. I remember nearly two decades ago, he tried to place the blame on his failing casino business on Native Americans -- he even testified that those Native Americans don't look like Native Americans (that was from some hearing from years past).

      This is the mindset of a paranoid person who believes he has people conspiring around him to make him a failure. Unfortunately there are still those that will fall for it. Thus, don't be surprised to see forum questions and Q&A posts trying to justify his latest blame game.

    2. wilderness profile image99
      wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      "I promised not to sweat the small stuff, but this was too good to let get away."

      Well, you can't get much smaller, that's for sure.  Must...be...PC!

    3. lions44 profile image99
      lions44posted 9 months agoin reply to this

      I don't hide my contempt for Trump and his followers, but I have to be fair. Those folks at the town halls are an organized campaign. They show up wearing the same shirts, ready-made signs and all say the same thing in a coordinated fashion.  Come on.  They have a right to do it, but they should be honest about it. 
      What's happened at some of these event is disgraceful.  Being rude during prayer and the Pledge.  Did you listen to some of the attendees at Tom Cotton's town hall? They didn't sound like they were from Arkansas.  Neither did those at Sen. Cassidy's meeting the other night sound like they were from LA.   Too much coincidence. 
      It hurts the reputation of those against Trump.

      1. ahorseback profile image81
        ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Sal Alinsky !    The typical rebel crap from the sixties ,    shout louder ,  scream , stand at the back of the crowd and throw a brick ,  out holler ,   burn it down at night when no ones there to fight back ,
        This is the only agenda the left understands , at least from the right  you will see some political progression .

        1. Kathleen Cochran profile image82
          Kathleen Cochranposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Can you give some examples of " some political progression"?

          1. ahorseback profile image81
            ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Conservatives make progress without dividing a nation , they work in unison  without  the  Alinsky style shake  and bake  divisive nature while amounting to  NOTHING.

            - an actual Immigration policy
            - return to law and order support
            - repeal Obama care disaster AND replace with something- anything better
            - de-regulate industry
            - return industry to America
            - the reclamation of congress and the house  alone is progress
            -the supreme court nominations [coming up ]
            - NAFTA  renegotiations

            1. Misfit Chick profile image72
              Misfit Chickposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              "Conservatives make progress without dividing a nation..."

              That is a blatant oxymoron. Just because you say something doesn't make it so. The current chaotic situation in the country is a symptom of conservatives intentionally dividing people - yeah, they do it intentionally. They tell you lies over and over again and you eventually believe them - like, your neighbors who don't share your political or religious perspective are your ENEMIES, when we are NOT.

      2. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

        I understand, I am willing to be fair. I could allowing attendance only for those that live within the geographic area that is represented by a senator or house member. But also, it has been noted that it may be just a presumption to conclude that 'liberal activists' are the source of the brouhaha. There are plenty of GOP adherents that are asking valid questions about reining in Trump and where is the 'replace' part of the 'repeal and replace' GOP objective regarding the ACA. I think those are valid questions from any one. Those that are disruptive at these meetings need to be removed BUT the Senator or Representatives need to be aware that they should be prepared to answer the pointed questions and not blame Democratic activists because there does not happen to be amutual admiration society In attendance.

        1. wilderness profile image99
          wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          "I could allowing attendance only for those that live within the geographic area that is represented by a senator or house member."

          Be careful - you're getting very, very close to voter ID here, with the ID showing current address being required. 

          "where is the 'replace' part of the 'repeal and replace' GOP objective regarding the ACA."

          Same place the "repeal" part is - in the hallowed halls of congressional discussion.  Hard to understand the brouhaha over losing free medical care when it has been made abundantly clear that the "replace" is part of the package.  Enough so that one wonders if the actual purpose of asking is simply to disrupt and burn time better used elsewhere.

          1. Credence2 profile image81
            Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

            We don't have get formal about it, it could be anything utility bill, mail correspondence with your and address.

            Well, the discussion on the replace part obviously have people nervous, and GOP reps saying the solution is around the corner has not been good enough. They are going to have to do better.

            1. wilderness profile image99
              wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              "We don't have get formal about it, it could be anything utility bill, mail correspondence with your and address."

              And yet that's exactly the sort of things required by Texas law to vote - the very same things courts have deemed "discriminatory".  Which was the point.

              "They are going to have to do better."

              And just how do you think that should happen?  A complete replacement program on the incredibly complex issue of health care be formulated in a couple of weeks?  It took Obama 4 years to come up with one!  Maybe if the libs quite screaming about it and raising irrational fears, just calm down a bit and give congress time to figure it out...

              1. Misfit Chick profile image72
                Misfit Chickposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                Maybe if GOP reps in congress were actually interested in 'figuring it out' - instead of wiping it off the planet - we wouldn't be so passionate about our response. Btw, it isn't a LIBERAL thing - its a MAJORITY of AMERICANS thing. If it was a 'minority' thing, there wouldn't be this dust-up.
                https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13428724.jpg

                1. wilderness profile image99
                  wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  You lost me.  What is "it", that the GOP wants wiped off the planet?  Voter ID or health care?

                2. Credence2 profile image81
                  Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  Wilderness, the GOP has had time to figure it out, just count the scores of times they voted to repeal only to be thrawted by Obama's veto. This has been over7 years. I say that they have no intention to replace, but just repeal and needs some serious cover to get away with that. Republicans have had all the time that they deserved and those in protest at the town halls know that as well.

                  I have to look into to what constitute acceptable ID under the GOP voter ID obsession.

    4. Misfit Chick profile image72
      Misfit Chickposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      I know, I read that this morning and doesn't it just figure? Nothing is his fault ever, is it? Why didn't Obama complain about Bush's 'leftover people' leaking his stuff? He's just ridiculous. The saddest part is, his rabid supporters will gobble it up and take it to heart like every other lame, stupid, manipulative thing he has to say. It is specifically why he says them.

      Kellyanne... I gave up on her acting (or talking) like a decent person a while ago (about the same time I gave up on Trump). They're sickening.

    5. Onusonus profile image79
      Onusonusposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/16996304_10208505502295722_113649694576815704_n.jpg?oh=a83d2ae5013d0344c2ee5e79b3562feb&oe=5935EC09

      1. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Do rightwingers really think that everybody is as stupid and as dense as they are?

        First of all the issue is not about the president putting his feet on the desk. I have pictures of Presidents going back to LBJ who have done that. So what?

        But just like a rightwinger to miss the subtle point behind any issue, there is a certain disrespect for the gathering of people and their appointed time with the President while a bimbo sits on the sofa like a toddler. Why would Trump allow such a photo to be taken, it serves as just another point of criticism in his direction ? Do you see the impression it leaves about how serious Trump was about this meeting, do you think he would have had his Girl Friday lounging around if the photo shoot was of other heads of state or even one of the Joint Chiefs?

        1. Onusonus profile image79
          Onusonusposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          It's about your selective outrage. Since half of American voters showed that they don't care that the same guy who was getting BJs in the oval office would be living there again had Hillary won.
          But a lady with her feet on the couch is a moral outrage.

  2. ahorseback profile image81
    ahorsebackposted 9 months ago

    Posting Politico- Yahoo , Google , NYT , who's next ,High Times  ?........................Now there are some "facts " we all can live by !..................Not !

  3. Misfit Chick profile image72
    Misfit Chickposted 9 months ago

    I thought that the image I included would have made that obvious: Healthcare - you know, the thing they are so anxious to eradicate?

    1. wilderness profile image99
      wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      I presume you're smarter than that, for there will be precious few GOP members wanting to end health care in the US.  About the same as the number of whacko dem's that want the same thing.

      Frankly, I don't pay much attention to your meme's anymore - between seeing far, far too many of them and having ALL of them grossly exaggerate any point being made they aren't worth my time to decipher.  Just like this one.

      1. Misfit Chick profile image72
        Misfit Chickposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Yeah well, I pretty much think you're an idiot, too. I don't know what GOP you've been talking to - but every one I know doesn't want ANY FORM of healthcare. People should all be responsible for themselves. I've even heard Christian militants say that the bible says its EVIL. It is supposedly the reason why there is such a split right now in the GOP - because some of them don't think the repeal & replace that they have going goes far enough to REPEAL.

        1. wilderness profile image99
          wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Hmmm.  Nobody wants any doctors, no hospitals, no clinics, no healthcare at all.  Presumably no medications and no aspirin, either.  Personally I don't know anyone that far out, although I know there are a handful of whackos out there.

          1. Misfit Chick profile image72
            Misfit Chickposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Oh shut up - you know damn well what I mean! No GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE POLICY

            1. wilderness profile image99
              wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              I what you mean is healthcare INSURANCE, then you may be right, for I do not feel that government has the ethical right to force such insurance on anyone.  If we as a nation decide to force the rich to pay for health care for everyone else, at least leave the profits of the insurance company out of it and put in a single payer system (govt.).

              (Do try to say what you mean - I have no crystal ball and am not a mind reader).

              1. Misfit Chick profile image72
                Misfit Chickposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                I'll try to make this as SIMPLE as possible for you...

                Its kind of like leaving banks & wall street to regulate themselves: we tried that and it doesn't work. They will take all the profit that they can wring out at the expense of people and the economy.

                Its the same with having a government healthcare policy - its not just about having the rich pay for everyone's healthcare (what a lame, uneduated perspective, btw); its about making them create things like ways to make everyone be insurable as opposed to the 'pre-existing conditions' excuses they used to rely on.

                Its about a lot of things. Thinking about it just one narrow-minded & erroneous way means that you're missing out on the big picture. I know that is one of the main problems with T-fans & many uber-conservatives, in general, religious & otherwise.

                1. wilderness profile image99
                  wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

                  "not just about having the rich pay for everyone's healthcare"

                  Who do YOU think is going to pay for all that new health insurance?  The poor?

                  You know, one of the biggest problems with current healthcare insurance is the growing attitude that it is not an insurance program - it has become a way to get cheap or free health care.  It's not - there is no such thing as a free lunch and that applies to health insurance.  Health insurance is no different than any other type of insurance; expected premium payments are based on statistics and history just as they are for cars, home or any other kind.  It is only the greedy that want what they cannot afford that is trying to change that.  And those that want to soak the rich for everything.

  4. Donna Bullaro profile image59
    Donna Bullaroposted 9 months ago

    I have health insurance before Obamacare but it went up 200.00 month. My son was not able to purchase insurance the first year so he was penalized the next year. Even the people who received a discount had to claim on taxes.

    1. ahorseback profile image81
      ahorsebackposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      Our deductibles are skyrocketing and  our policy costs too AND  the coverage's for certain medical care is dropping . I see it every time I go to the doctor ,  Its so simple - Congress has bought into the economic profitability of the insurance scam system , the  scam pharm. industry , and the scam  health care providers.

      Its ALL an incredibly profitable  system and congress  gets their share ! Why change it ?

    2. wilderness profile image99
      wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

      And because I had large medical expenses last year (from a 7,000 deductible) I had to withdraw from an IRA to pay them.  And because I had to withdraw, I "earned" more and had to pay back the discount.

      So I had huge medical costs with Obamacare and because I had those costs it means can afford to pay more for the worthless insurance I'm force to buy.  Who could ever think that is reasonable?

      1. Misfit Chick profile image72
        Misfit Chickposted 9 months agoin reply to this

        Here's why we need some form of ACA. I realize that the cost of living is much less expensive in most rural areas; but many people don't live there. And even if they do, they are still struggling - especially if they have not ramped minimum wage up to $15 an hour like Seattle has, yet.

        This is a very good example of what it costs to live in Seattle. I actually have a really GREAT rent price at $650/month. That is unheard of in Seattle, but if I didn't have this low rent - I would seriously be hurting, LoL! I honestly don't know how anyone who pays more does it and still have a life.

        What does it really cost to live in Seattle in 2017?
        http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/ … 970605.php

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Seattle is a great town and if I had to live in a city this would be the place. The cost of living was horrendous when I was there, but so is San Diego's. I am not much for the urban but the exourban, close enough to get into town without needing to pack but far enough away the avoid bedroom community status and accessibility for commuters. This keep my costs down. This would have to be on the other side of Puget Sound. Port Angeles, places like this would do.

          If your renting for only $650.00 in the city, you have got to know somebody

          1. Misfit Chick profile image72
            Misfit Chickposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, my neighbor who also lives in this building recommended me. The landlord was sick of unruly renters who ruined everything & wanted 'just a decent person' in here. He brought the rent down low enough for me for that reason. He's someone who already has 'old money' and didn't want it as much as he wanted peace, ha! I've been here for almost 10 years without it being raised. Most people go the roommate route in Seattle cuz its just about impossible otherwise - unless you're working at one of the tech companies, which many do.

            1. wilderness profile image99
              wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

              Used to live next door to someone that commuted 70 miles, 2 hours, one way into a DC suburb (4 hours if he arrived at 7:00 instead of 5:00).  Although his fuel bill was horrendous, he spent at least 20 hours per week behind the wheel and had to buy a new car every other year, the high wage was worth it to him.  If the wages don't cover the expenses, why live in the city!?

        2. wilderness profile image99
          wildernessposted 9 months agoin reply to this

          Wait.  You need the ACA, providing profits for insurance companies but no health care and not even affordable health insurance because...because people choosing to live in Seattle pay high rents and people in rural areas are struggling? 

          And you want to force them to pay for health insurance that they cannot afford to use?  You're losing me on this one.

          1. Misfit Chick profile image72
            Misfit Chickposted 9 months agoin reply to this

            That's probably because you just put a bunch of words in my mouth that I didn't say. I've never said the ACA didn't need any improvements. I don't like the 'forcing' aspect of things, either. It is one of many aspects of it that could stand to be tinkered with.

 
working