Proof Trump is a Russian Agent

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   crankaliciousposted 7 years ago

   Go to this site and watch the video from CNN:
   
   http://deadstate.org/good-thing-trump-h … al-anthem/
   
   Melania had to remind President Trump to put his hand over his heart during the Star Spangled banner. He clearly doesn't respect the United States or its traditions. This is proof he's a Russian spy.
   
   Okay... I don't actually believe that nor do I care that he forgot. He's POTUS. He's probably distracted by all sorts of things all the time and it was only a few seconds. No big deal.
   
   But could you imagine the reaction of the GOP had this been President Obama. Tell me that GOP wouldn't be going out of its mind right now?

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      wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      OK - the GOP wouldn't be going out its mind right now.
      
      And they probably wouldn't - It was recognized early on that Obama didn't find much good about the US and didn't like it, so why expect respect for its symbol?

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         crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Come now. They nitpicked everything he did and labelled it "anti-American". Criticizing America for its faults does not mean you don't love your country, it just means you want to make it better. I find this whole line of reasoning ("Obama hated his own country") absurd, particularly coming from you, who I respect as a logical thinker I just happen to disagree with frequently.

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            wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Obama spent 8 years apologizing to the world for the evils of America.  I hardly recall any times he took the side of our country, and against another.  It seemed that everything he tried to do (internationally) benefited other countries more than our own.  So...I don't think he likes the country much - I think he looks at what is wrong far, far more than what is right and it colors his opinion to a large degree.

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               crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               I think you'd struggle to prove that statement.
               
               Just because somebody tries to look thoughtfully and critically at a subject does not mean that they hate the subject. Further, this supports a strain of anti-intellectualism that scholars have written volumes on. If you're not rah-rah all the time, then you're anti-American. Certainly, if you watched Fox News all the time, this is exactly the portrait painted.
               
               What's interesting is that, while conservatives hold this opinion, it is the opposite of how they approach business. In my business, at least, we are constantly changing and criticizing ourselves and trying to improve. Do this in business, and it's smart. Do this in politics, and it's anti-American.
               
               Different people have different experiences of this country. I'm certain that for virtually any black man, that experience is very different than most white men and their overall view of the country is one where lots of things can be improved. That is not something to be villified, but to be celebrated.

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                  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  I think you confuse "rah rah all the time" with never "rah rah".
                  
                  But in any case, it is nothing but a general impression of what I saw over an 8 year span.  I didn't keep score, I didn't keep track and I didn't record anything.  It can be nothing but opinion, gathered over year's time.
                  
                  But I don't think I've defined it well, for improving America is not a part of it. Rather, it is that my impression of Obama's actions is that every other country in the world is superior to America, and that America owes every other country for the evils it has committed.  This is my impression of Obama's basic understanding of our country and it is far from my own.

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                     crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     I'm definitely not confused about it. To me, this has to be the result of the different media you and I consume, of somebody coloring the interpretation of what Obama said and did, rather than the reality of what he said and did. I never once got the impression that Obama didn't love America.
                     
                     Again, I saw somebody getting constantly criticized for wanting to make things better by discussing what might be wrong. Just because you discuss openly what you think is wrong, doesn't mean you hate the thing. In fact, I'd argue the opposite. People who love a thing have complex discussions about what is wrong in order to make it the best that it can be.
                     
                     If you listen to the raw text of Obama's speeches, I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that he hated America. You only come to that conclusion by listening to somebody else tell you what his words mean.
                     
                     Again, it's true that both Fox News and other conservative media outlets like Breitbart believed that Obama was a Muslim-loving, American-hating traitor and if you only watched those outlets, it's hard to imagine not coming to that conclusion. And if you watched MSNBC, I suppose, maybe you come to the conclusion that he was one of our greatest presidents.

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                        wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        But, Crank, "making things better" does not mean that America needs apologize every time two nations meet.  It does not mean that America needs to take back seat to every other nation.  It does not mean that America is ethically inferior to every other nation.
                        
                        (I might add that the automatic assumption that it is because of media, and that your choice of information source was superior and right, seems a little misguided as your opinion is so obviously wrong )
                        
                        It is NOT about Obama's speeches to Americans; it is about bowing down and taking position that everything we have done, in the international community, was wrong.  That we don't do our share, and more, to help others.  That we owe, somehow, for things we didn't do (this, of course, is a part and parcel of the liberal philosophy but one I reject).
                        
                        But that did seem to be Obama's attitude, and I'm not sure at all that it was all due to media.  You're still confusing Obama's desire for better conditions for American people (at least those with dark skin) with his feelings about the country as an entity and it's position in the world community.

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                           crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           I don't recall Obama apologizing to other countries or bowing down to them. Again, this was a narrative that Fox News pushed for 8 years.
                           
                           And your statement that he only wanted better conditions for people with dark skin is a product of some conspiratorial media narrative and is patently false and highly offensive. Does this apply to white men as well. Is Donald Trump only interested in improving conditions for white people. Was George Bush?
                           
                           It seems as though what you're asserting emanates from the attitude that discussion and diplomacy is weakness.
                           
                           And I don't think my choice of media is right or wrong. I do know that generally my sources are considered politically neutral and I do look at more than one, including Fox News (which is not politically neutral).

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                              wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                              When diplomacy and discussion inevitable results in giving up more than is necessary it can be weakness.  Or it can indicate an opinion that we are always in the wrong.
                              
                              I don't recall Obama contacting local police departments in the case of an isolated shooting of any but black men.  I don't recall him ever publicly saying a cop shooting was racist...except for the shooting of black men.
                              I don't recall him ever calling for an investigation...except when black men were involved as "victims".  But, of course, we are not to mention that, are we? 
                              
                              Which source do you consider to be neutral?  NYT?  Any of the TV networks (IMO public TV comes the closest, but even that is slanted).

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                                 crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 Again, my reading of what he actually said appeared pretty balanced about issues of racism, but go to any right-wing media site and his comments are parsed into a narrative that he hates white cops and only cares about black people.
                                 
                                 That said, he was in quite the unique position to address issues of racism and I thought he tended to temper his words quite well.

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                                    wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    And my reading of them did not.  He tempered his words quite well...if you assume he is highly racist himself.  If not, he failed to do so.  IMO, but then I have a hard time accepting any racism.

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                                 crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                 I find this chart reasonably accurate in terms of how these organizations are balanced in their presentation of the news. I try to peruse some from both ends, but not from the far ends of either.
                                 
                                 
                                 
                                 Here's a link to read it better:
                                 
                                 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/how-do … 2016-12-15

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                                    wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                                    Personally, I would put CBS, NBC and ABC into the "hyper partisan liberal" categories (along with the NYT and the Washington Post).  They come on with my local news that I like to see, and it's almost to the point I'll just turn them off without ever watching.  The daily dose of "TRUMP DID MORE HATEFUL THINGS" has really gotten old.
                                    
                                    But I like the BBC overall.

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                           crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                           http://www.heritage.org/europe/report/b … superpower
                           
                           Media narrative.

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   poppyrposted 7 years ago

   That's like saying Michelle Obama is a man because Obama said "Michael and I" at an event, or saying he's a Muslim because he said "my Muslim faith" in an interview and had to be corrected by the interviewer to change it to "Christian faith".
   
   Also, aren't the liberals raving about how Trump is trying to start a war with Russia?
   
   Really gets the brain working.

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      crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Did you read the whole post?

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   Faizan Asifposted 7 years ago

   trump is a Russian agent becuse he can cheat in voting by tha change of different mechines setting.

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   sivasubrahmanyamposted 7 years ago

   The day he started his campaign there has been mudslinging on all his activities and statements. Twisting his statement one way or the other showing his every action in a magnifying lens has become a feature of every day. Now, he is an elected President, a democratically elected President of U.S. Let us wait and watch his movement and the decisions he takes for the benefit and safety of his countrymen.

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