President Obama vs President Trump

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  1. gmwilliams profile image86
    gmwilliamsposted 6 years ago
    Was the racial climate in America better under President Obama or is it better under President Trump?   Is President Trump responsible for the overt escalation of racism in America?

    1. profile image0
      promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, it was better under Obama, and yes Trump is responsible for the escalation.

      White supremacists are using his "both sides are bad" comments as approval for their actions.

      "Thank you President Trump for your honesty & courage to tell the truth about Charlottesville & condemn the leftist terrorists."  - white supremacist leader David Duke

    2. Ken Burgess profile image77
      Ken Burgessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      What is occurring now is largely in response to the eight years of collective actions of Obama, explained eloquently by someone more articulate than I:

      "My view of America is that we are a place of great promise and opportunity, where someone like me, who is the grandchild of illiterate black Southern sharecroppers, can achieve success and reach the American dream. We are a place occupied by fair-minded, hard-working people whose culture and values have built a nation that is the envy of the world. I am proud to be a part of that culture.

      "Our Founders, while imperfect and a product of their times, were visionary heroes who made hard choices and compromises to give us the successful system we have today. Because Americans are good, we’ve worked hard over time to right the wrongs in our society that our Founding Fathers could not eliminate in their time. In summary, we are a fundamentally decent people blessed to live in a phenomenal land with a rich heritage.

      "But not so for President Obama. His view of our nation seems to be very different than mine and that of many other Americans. I believe that when President Obama thinks of America, more so than a place of hope or opportunity, he thinks of a place where racist white Christian fundamentalists came here from Europe, committed genocide against Native Americans, enslaved and segregated black people, denied women, gays, and other minorities their rights, and used capitalism and a rigged legal system to oppress poor people for centuries. He also believes this is still continuing today.

      "Given this view of America as an evil place in need of forceful justice for her sins, the president’s overarching goal has been to eliminate what he sees as the structural, institutionalized discrimination that defines America. He has done this by taking every opportunity to see disparities between groups as evidence of discrimination, then using all available resources to fight this perceived discrimination by going to war against the Americans he believes are responsible for it, who are almost always whites, men, police, and Christians.

      "A small sampling of the ways he has done this are: accusing whites of “white privilege,” which means having an unfair advantage due to being white, an advantage built upon oppressing minorities; accusing the police and justice system at large of racism; blaming pay differences between men and women on discrimination; and casting Islamic radicalism as a legitimate response to discrimination (ostensibly by white Christians).

      "This strategy has had two effects: 1) It’s caused the alleged victims of the perceived discrimination to become more militant, hostile, and only willing to make demands and not willing to engage in dialogue due to increasing their sense of victimhood, and 2) It’s caused the alleged perpetrators of the perceived discrimination to feel unfairly blamed for problems that are not their fault, thus less willing to engage in dialogue with people who will do nothing but accuse them of wrongdoing.

      "In other words, both sides are moving away from each other. This means that, contrary to unifying the nation, the president’s leadership has caused division and discord.  Full Article below: … than-ever/

      Obama was fully the anti-colonial, anti-empire, anti-western President.  This is what he believed as expressed in 'Dreams from my father'.

      His father was if anything, an anti-colonialist first, socialist second.  In that book Obama wrote that after 9/11 “…history returned with a vengeance; in fact, as Faulkner reminds us, the past is never dead and buried - it isn’t even past.”
      “This collective history, this past, directly touches my own,” he added. “- because the underlying struggle between worlds of plenty and worlds of want…is the struggle set forth, on a miniature scale, in this book,” which at its core expressed his views of indictment against Western imperialism, racism and colonialism.

      Obama went on to say he identifies with the “desperation and disorder of the powerless,” and how they can “easily slip into violence and despair.”

      And we saw this appear time and again, for instance, at the memorial for the murdered Dallas police officers, after years of his admonishing police, defending Black Lives Matter and sympathizing even after acts of violence, led up to the point where people felt emboldened to attack, murder, police, he could not refrain, he could not adjust his rhetoric, ease up on the throttle, instead at the memorial he has to inject:

      “We also know that centuries of racial discrimination, of slavery, and subjugation, and Jim Crow; they didn’t simply vanish with the law against segregation…we know that bias remains. We know it, whether you are black, or white, or Hispanic, or Asian, or native American, or of Middle Eastern descent, we have all seen this bigotry in our own lives at some point. We’ve heard it at times in our own homes….No institution is entirely immune, and that includes our police departments. We know this.”

      Not quite saying "they deserved it, they're cops" but it ain't that far off from the mark of that either, he wasn't exactly acting upset or outraged over the murders of the Police, whose job is to protect the public, uphold the law, and serve the community.

      One thing is for sure, there would be no Trump, if there had not been an Obama.  The pendulum swings, for every action there is a reaction.  Obama's election was a great thing for the country, Obama's re-election was a tragedy for this country.  We would have been much better served with a much more moderate and experienced politician like Romney replacing him in 2012, than Trump in 2016. 

      Though they villainized Romney as well when he was running, also inferring he was a Nazi, a racist, sexist, killer of cancer patients worst-human ever nightmare.  So I don't think the media, or the alt-left, would treat Romney much differently than they treat Trump today... they were unhinged then when Romney was running, and they are even worse now, that is just the state of being the likes of Pelosi, Waters, the MSM seem to exist in.

      1. Credence2 profile image77
        Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Funny, Ken, how you guys give Trump credit for rescuing the economy, bolstering Wall Street and turning EVERYTHING around in 7 months, What was accomplished during 8 years of Obama, of course had no role in this outcome. Yet somehow, Obama is still the blame for deteriorating race relations and he is no longer President? You don't get to have it both ways, Ken, and I am not going to allow you to get away with it.

        This diatribe of yours is a crock of "you know what". Our history is littered with Uncle Toms, what make this fellow so credible and representive, while the vast majority of my Brethren see things quite differently? What are your qualifications to pass judgement?

        Who are you to give credibility to this one voice over so many? Who has made you the oracle? The arrogance of conservatives can be so irritating at times.

        You got a polished up white shirt and tie, approach, it is misleading as to who it is that actually have problems with race and simply don't admit it. To believe what you just wrote.......

        1. Ken Burgess profile image77
          Ken Burgessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          You generalize too often Credence.  Who exactly are "you guys"?

          What exactly have I ever given Trump credit for, other than saving us from the harm TPP would have done, costing us millions more jobs and sending billions of tax dollars out of the country.  And strong arming some corporations into investing money/factories/jobs here in America rather than overseas?

          And what exactly aren't you going to let me "get away with"?  Giving people links to facts, to sources of information?  To explaining a non-radical, non alt-right or alt-left view on things?

  2. brimancandy profile image77
    brimancandyposted 6 years ago

    There are many social issues that were better under Obama. He brought out a lot of social issues out of the dark ages. Gays in the military, gay marriage, and spent a lot of time talking about bullying, and trying to educate people on how much better it is to try to understand each other rather than hate, while others in our government were still trying to push a hate agenda on all kinds of people.He tried to pass strict gun laws so that the endless mass shootings would stop.

    The problem with Trump is, that he is spouting the same crap that the republicans have wanted for years. He told the gay community he had their backs, and would not try to overturn gay rights.And, he is already attempting to single them out in the military, bY going after transgender individuals.Which leaves a question, how does the miliTary know who is transgender? They are going to go back to the witch hunts, and kick people out just for being suspected of being transgender.

    I do not blame him for the white hate groups. But I do find their timing a bit suspicious. What a better way to take the heat off your man in the whit house, by causing a media circus to distract people from what his administration is doing. After all David Duke claims their group made him president. This from the guy who ran for president saying he was no longer involved with the KKK, which shows him as being a huge liar. All of which Trump seems oblivious to.

    TRUMP is just a new face in the republican strategy of holding people back to keep their base rich, and the rest of the country poor, while dictating to the world what is right and wrong. Lets build walls to keep change out, and go back to the war machine so that even more countries hate us. All the things that Clinton and Obama did to make things better, Bush and Trump want to reverse. Sadly Trump is way worse than bush, and his political advisors see it, and are jumping ship to avoid being seen as being a part fhe insanity.

    I would much rather have Obama back as president for another 8 years than put up with the Trump administrations BS for one more day. He is a liar and a corporate kiss ass. It's amazing how fast his base didn't mind him paling up to the corporate CEOs on his advisory panels when he said all through his campaign he would not bow to corporate interests.Gee I guess you don't have to when you invite them in give them a position in your organization. What a joke.

    1. Ken Burgess profile image77
      Ken Burgessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I agree in general with everything except the last sentence, I do feel he fostered animosity for police, he was ALWAYS critical of them, their actions, even when giving speeches at the Memorials for Murdered Police.  That was not fostering unity, it was enabling those that wanted to commit acts of hate and violence against the police into doing so.

      The problem with that should be obvious, while there are a few bad police, they are the people who serve, protect and uphold the law.  Without them, all we have is 'Survival of the Fittest' and we have enough of that in a good percentage of the country as it is... and it seems that violent 'only the armed survive' reality is starting to encompass more and more of America every day.

      Pretty soon, only those Americans smart enough to carry a weapon will be safe out there.

      What better way to try and get people to blame him for the county's divisiveness than to have that type of clash? And then have the media beat him up ceaselessly for it, for weeks on end?  Some say the very groups that have been out there protesting are all funded by the same person... isn't that suspicious that one man, can fund so many organizations, that are causing so much strife in the streets? … sp?id=1237

      There are some serious problems with the direction our country is going, and for any American, black or white, that has grown up here, whose parents made better lives here than their parents before them, they need to wake up and see what it really taking place, and why, before it is too late.

      Why are we so divided?

      The betrayals of D.C. on the people still linger, such as the Glass Steagall repeal that eventually led to the Mortgage Crisis meltdown in 2007/8, and the Affordable Care Act which has proven to be a boon for the Insurance and Pharmaceutical companies, but has leveled crippling costs on your average American that can't get insurance through their job.

      We see that nothing changes no matter who we vote in, we have gone from Republican controlled Congress, to Democrat controlled Congress and Presidency, and now to Republican controlled Congress and Presidency... yet nothing changes, no promises are ever kept.  NAFTA still exists in its original form, China still has 'favored nation' trade status, and most recently the ACA has been neither repealed or replaced, no course corrections are made, we are captives on a ship without the ability to change its course.

      Many millions of Americans are frustrated and angry, they struggle harder now to get by than ten, twenty, thirty years ago.  Is it any wonder people fear where this country is going and are acting out their fears against others?

      Maybe we need to stop fighting ourselves, stop focusing on petty issues, and start holding our government, our politicians accountable for protecting and improving the lives of Americans, not themselves, not corporations, but We the People.

      And maybe we need to stop the insanity in our higher learning, and get back to teaching them what they need to know to be successful, to be productive, and not what it takes to be a extremist or political activist. … ott-greer/

  3. Live to Learn profile image59
    Live to Learnposted 6 years ago

    I'll keep my reply short. No, Trump did not create the climate we are in. Obama did.

    1. Credence2 profile image77
      Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      How so?

  4. IslandBites profile image90
    IslandBitesposted 6 years ago

    "It has been going on for a long time in our country -- not Donald Trump, not Barack Obama. It has been going on for a long, long time." - Trump

    (Now that's his turn, of course.)

    But he's right.

  5. Live to Learn profile image59
    Live to Learnposted 6 years ago

    Islandbites is right. Repressed anger and feelings of being treated unfairly so that another group can be favored is something that has existed for a very long time in America and it is not a phenomenon solely limited to being played out here. I think Obama's election probably was a reason for celebration within the black community followed by the anticlimactic understanding that his election wasn't some watershed moment for the black community, in general. The only real change we saw for the common man was, well, nothing. All his election meant was that he was the first black American to become president.  I think this fact drove us toward more feelings of frustration for blacks in America who feel as if they haven't gotten their piece of the pie and it is human nature when one group becomes more vocal in their feelings of disenfranchisement for others to voice their frustrations also.

    Unfortunately, for all of us, we have this unrealistic notion that the pie we are all attempting to get our share of is somehow an apple pie when our government has slowly ensured that more and more Americans have access to little more than crow. We are lashing out in anger with our anger directed at one another. It will probably grow, unless we can all come to terms with the reality that is America today.

    1. Credence2 profile image77
      Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I was not so naïve to believe that one man could turn an ugly historical fact of American culture and life on its head in a mere 8 years relative to time that has passed since the founding of the republic.
      ' We are lashing out in anger with our anger directed at one another. It will probably grow, unless we can all come to terms with the reality that is America today.'

      That makes sense....

    2. Ken Burgess profile image77
      Ken Burgessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I fully agree, I think this is a 100% spot on post.

      You could expand on this, while the nation was trying to recover from a recession, instead of helping the poor (blacks if you will) of our country by enforcing the Laws of the land that make it illegal for companies to hire undocumented workers, and trying to stem the flow of immigrants into the country...

      The Obama Administration did the exact opposite, they shut down any efforts to investigate those national companies that are hiring undocumented/immigrant workers, he completed parts of the NAFTA agreement that allowed for Mexican drivers to haul their loads across the USA rather than stopping at the border and transferring those loads to American drivers, he broadened the access to welfare for illegals, he told the border patrol to stand down and let people cross freely into America.

      And who suffers most when these millions of illegals come to America and take construction jobs, trucking jobs, processing plant jobs from Americans?

      I'll give you a clue, its not the rich that suffer, its not the educated white collar worker who suffers, its the blue collar workers black, white, and everything in between, Americans that suffer.

      And the current violence in the streets being hyped up by our media, that's a continuation on the attacks of Mr. Average American... black, white, doesn't matter, the bottom 75% are all getting the raw end of the deal.

      Google. Youtube, Yahoo, etc. along with the media are working right now to ban and expand the definitions of 'hate speech' and the 'alt-right' to include any opinion they do not like, we are finally achieving George Orwell's 1984.

      For example, the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) an organization that exists solely to label those of us who do not hold the 'correct' views on immigration, gay marriage, race and the welfare state, and by extension, this includes traditional conservatives and Christians as part of the neo-Nazi brotherhood.

      See where this is going?

      How the SPLC (and those like it), turn around and protect Islam and Sharia Law (or at least ignore it) I have no clue, because if Christians supposedly have 'strong' ideas on issues like gay marriage and social conservatism then the only word that would cover Muslims is 'very strong' or 'extreme'

      How can a freeborn American enjoy the spirit of the First Amendment when mega-corporations are given the power to destroy and disappear us from YouTube, from Blogs, from being employed?

      We can’t.

      Why is it the facebooks and youtubes are so willing to label and remove 'white supremacists' like the KKK... but Antifa or BLM or La Raza or CAIR are ok? They are all allowed the right to spew their toxic beliefs.  Except for one.

      The line that should be drawn when it comes to speech is a very simple one: Violence. Endorsing, promoting or encouraging violence is illegal and should be (which makes you wonder how CNN stays on the air).   When BLM proliferates their agenda to kill cops, their sites should be banned, shut down, removed just as quickly as any 'white supremacist' site.

      But that is not what is going on... what is going on is a fabrication, a lie, that there is some massive network, a conspiracy  by millions of white people to subjugate others and 'turn back the clock'.  Truth is we are all being subjugated and made to hate one another by those that will benefit the most from it.

      Truth is, people are being manipulated by the people with the most money, to hate one another, rather than uniting with one another to attack the real problems in our society, the bulk of which is emanating from Washington D.C. and the corporations pulling the strings.


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