A bit of a lengthy article by a Harvard psychiatrist in regard to Trump's recent speech before the Jamboree of Boy and Cub Scouts. Hopefully you will find it interesting as well as
revealing. I was proud to be a scout once, and I am embarrassed by the President's lack of decorum on this occasion.
http://www.wbur.org/commonhealth/2017/0 … ech-scouts
I don't care what your political affiliations are, if you were in Trump's role as President of the United States would you feel comfortable making such a speech before so impressionable and young an audience?
Everybody says that I beat up on Trump unfairly, is it really unfair? He brings this down on himself. What normal and rational human being could do what he has done in this case? I sure that none of my hub buddies would even consider doing such a thing.
I would like to hear from those among you who can support and justify this behavior.
P.S.: Conservatives, please spare me the bromide about "fake news", this story has legs and is all over the place.
Honestly, the stupidity lies with whatever adult 'boy scouts' invited Trump to speak KNOWING what his speeches are like and how he talks at people. Who the heck EVER thought that The Donald would have something GOOD to relay to impressionable young men is obviously mentally ill-equipt, themselves.
Then again, those people are all over the place - seemingly speckled everywhere with the sole purpose of causing as much of a disgusting, disappointing & UNECESSARY ruckus as possible. Divide & conquer is Trump's motto and they obey very well.
Geez, MC, I can't really blame the Scouting folks. I think they were broadsided like a deer in the headlights, or like a creature of the wild now compelled to cover its droppings.
Yes, I always knew that he was a coarse man, with the finesse and subtlety of a busted chain saw. But, this thing with the kids is a new low. I could accept the possibility of his being an abrasive personality and that he would use that style on the campaign trail and to govern to a certain extent.
But, how could he mess this one up? This gathering was to be as innocuous as the annual lighting of the Christmas tree. With all the bad press he has been getting lately, you think that he would be smart enough to use the occasion with the Scouts as a positive photo session. Frankly, I did not think that any rational Scout leader could have envisioned this happening. They would have to say, "no, no one could be that stupid, not before this audience".
What person as leader cannot speak appropriately to children rather than , instead, to booze buddies at the corner tavern? A fine example he sets...
This event is evidence that he needs to find psychiatrist's couch to repose upon. I never really considered having to go this far before. And to think that one that is so unhinged with such poor judgement has his finger on the button.
"I got a call from the head of the Boy Scouts saying it was the greatest speech that was ever made to them, and they were very thankful," the President told The Wall Street Journal last week, according to a transcript obtained by Politico.
An official with the Scouts said on Wednesday they were not aware of any phone calls between the group's leadership and the President.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/02/politics/ … index.html
You know, Promisem, it got to be the downright dumbest when you tell lies that are easily revealed as such. He is not even a good liar. Who says that this guy, on his present course, has a snowball chance in hell of survival?
Pence is like the proverbial fence sitting buzzard just waiting patiently for Big Bird to falter and fall for the last time.
Either dumb or something worse. I suspect a lot of the leaks coming out of the White House are from Republican establishment types who are waiting impatiently for the day when Trump is gone.
That would hardly be a shocker - while Trump is making conciliatory gestures to the right he is not and never was "their" candidate. Which is one of the reasons he is president - he is not and never was one of the "establishment" of politicians.
I'm still waiting for Trump to display his superior deal making skills. He makes the best deals, according to himself. That joint cyber security deal he wanted to make with Russia didn't last more than a few hours. It woulda been a great deal for his buddy Vlad.
He is proving that establishment politicians are a mixed blessing. At least most of them behave somewhat rationally while at that same time kiss the rear ends of the major donors who contribute money to them.
This is it, in a nutshell.... that's why those that want to keep this in the realm of left VS right or Rep VS Dem are either frustrating or hysterical to converse with.
Its like total denial... he is the anti-establishment candidate. And the more the Establishment tries to undermine him, the more the 'intellectual elite' rails against his every move, and the media castigates his every deed, more and more of the disenfranchised and pissed off Americans out there are going to be drawn to him.
Its really amazing, but you can see it in this very thread. The guy will be more popular in 2020 than he was in 2016. And it will have everything to do with a Congress that gets nothing done (to spite him), and a media that craps on his every act (to smear him). They are just ensuring he will be there for 8 years rather than 4.
This is the same crap that got him elected, and instead of learning from it, the efforts have doubled against him. I really am laughing when I read these threads, I hope I am not coming across as angry or a Trump fanatic... just telling it the way it is folks.
Who are you attempting to fool, Ken? Trump is clearly rightwing or fawning the rightwing in all of his actions. So, don't speak of some place that Trump belongs that transcends ideology or partisanship.
The Republican "establishment" certainly makes sure that his 'droppings' do not get on the evening news. When he screws all the suckers that voted for him under the guise of expecting him to remake Washington and make America White Again, they will come home in disgust.
8 years? With all the controversy that follows him, he will be lucky to last 2 years.
" I hope I am not coming across as angry or a Trump fanatic".
You know something, you do and you are telling it the way you see it, not the way it is.
Since when does an anti-establishment candidate want to cut his own taxes?
It has legs for all those who want to detract or smear every move Trump makes, every speech he gives, every EO he signs.
That is what seems to fly over the heads of the majority here who are fervently in the "LEFT" column of beliefs.
Of course a Harvard review slammed his speech, and some parents spoke out against it. He could have gone out there and said nothing more than "I love the Boyscouts, have a great day" and there would have been complaints.
And while those of the 'left' will continue to write about this and complain about it (until something better comes along to grouse and be derisive about) there are just as many that are proud of the fact that the President went there, and likely agree with everything he had to say.
But I guess this is what the 'intellectual elite', the MSM, his detractors who are firmly entrenched in 'leftist' ideals are going to spend the next four years doing... bashing Trump for every move he makes, while ignoring all the problems in the Establishment that created Trump's rise to power and makes him so popular despite all the negative press, and all the hate directed his way.
Oh... and I just listened to the speech (most of it), it was fairly well focused on the non-political, especially for Trump. Maybe some people don't really have a clue what the Scouts are about, maybe any talk of God, or duty and service to country is an outright shock to them. Whatever, the speech was pretty tame, but I get that people want to rant about it. When Obama made speeches to colleges, and made racist or radical statements (according to the 'right') that was made into 'big news' as well.
Cmon, Ken, come off of it will you?
That political diatribe before so young audience was inappropriate and not presidential. It reveals a lack of common sense or an unbridled selfishness or gall. So, you are the wise oracle that sees all, you are certainly not Left and you claim not to be Right. But the way you fawn over Trump, I have to ask to what phylum do you belong?
I don't like Trump and I admit it, but even a neutral would call such a performance deplorable. His racist attacks on Obama during his term are not forgiven, period.
Believe it, we get it, anyone who has two brain cells within his or her skull can get it. I am concerned about those who don't.
From what I read, the representative for the Scouts publically apologized for Trump's speech on that occasion. So, it is more than just a 'handful' of parents, OK? If he were smart enough to just say "I love the Boyscouts, have a great day", he could have saved himself from another controversial embarrassment. The President is the President when he or she acts presidential and is intelligent enough to tailor his speeches to the audience that he addresses.
The man you support is a jerk and is woefully inadequate to the task that all of you Trumpets say that he can and will do. You and most others are going to be very disappointed.
You can blame the Left, the fake news, the deep state, etc. But Trump is his own greatest enemy and I will have his pink slip before the midterms next year, You watch now.... Then I am stuck with Pence, another kettle of fish that has been in the sun too long.
Damn Cred. As a life-long scouter, and without getting into the specifics - damn good response!
And whether I agree or not, the "Kettle of fish that has been in the sun too long" was cute as hell. ;-)
:-) You'll be stuck with Pence, that cat is smoother than anyone gives him credit for, he is polished, he is ready for the job.
Admit it, you love Trump, he gets your blood pumping in the morning, you wouldn't know what to do with yourself without his Tweets and inflammatory remarks.
Ken, you may have a point here. Do you remember the sixties sitcom “Hogan’s Heroes”?
Against the better judgment of the German High Command, Col. Hogan needed to finagle and maneuver to keep Col. Klink as the ‘iron fisted’ Commandant of Stalag 13 with his renowned “no escapes” record. Who else could possibly be this dumb while Hogan and the Allies POW’s were using the entire camp to undermine the German war effort right under Klink’s nose? Yes, Klink, too, was full of himself with an exaggerated sense of his own competence.
Well, as for Trump, we on the Left can’t afford not to see him as the useful ‘tool’ that he is. Through thoughtless and stupid performances like that which is the subject of this thread, we can undermine the GOP and the Right. This stunt of his allows us to make our case before people that heretofore were not particularly partisan or ideological. His slogan, “Make America Great Again” is akin to Klink’s “no escapes’ record. We may not welcome Pence, a fanatic that buries his wife’s menstrual fluids as ‘unclean’ in the backyard. He may well prove to be more troublesome. In the same way that I am sure that Col. Hogan would not want Heinrich Himmler to replace Wilhelm Klink.
How would Trump look with a monocle?
You can bet that Pence, that smooth cat, is waiting in the wings to take over at the fall of his master.
"We may not welcome Pence, a fanatic that buries his wife’s menstrual fluids as ‘unclean’ in the backyard."
Please tell me this isn't true and that you are just being unusually gross & inappropriate?! (And just WHAT is he going to do with it if he becomes a WH resident?!)
God! No wonder he gets such a bad name among the heathen. LoL!
No, this is too elaborate for me to have made up, here is an associated Newsweek article, that touches on Pence's obsession over the issue. I can't find the specific quote, but I did read it.
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/04/29/wome … 49833.html
Then why did the Boy Scouts CEO apologize for it?
Ken, I think you are so off-base here that a bias seems obvious. And yes, I also listened to his speech. And I listened with an ear that was wanting to hear a reasonable explanation.
I am a life-long Boy Scouter. I was a Boy Scout. My son was a Boy Scout. And I was a Boy Scout Troop leader. But, to be clear, I never got to attend a National Jamboree, or hear a president address a jamboree. So what follows is merely my opinion.
Pres. Trump's speech was so inappropriate, in my opinion, that any defense of it smacks of sycophantic support for Trump.
It is possible that the audience may have included a minority of 17-year olds, but it is most likely that the majority was 12 to 14 year-old kids. Do you really want to defend the content of his speech as appropriate to that audience?
Come on Ken, own it or own up. There is no middle ground for reasonable consideration. No "larger audience" rationalizations carry any weight when considering the manipulative use of an occasion of our nation's most innocent youth.
One the one hand, I do feel appropriately admonished.
On the other, I have two boys younger than 14, and I can tell you they have had their 'innocent youth' exposed to plenty of political content in school, and I would have to forbid them from ever using a computer or turning on a tv or cellphone to avoid it elsewhere.
A decade or more ago, before cellphones and tablets and tweets, there may have been 'innocent youth' at age 13, 14, etc. but you are not living in the current reality if you think those young men were exposed to anything new there... not saying they agreed with it, liked it, or are politically active enough to care one way or another.
But this 'outrage' is just more ridiculousness in my opinion, people like to get outraged over everything these days... and Trump brings out the best in them. Yes he is an outrageous controversial figure, but for him he seemed pretty tame... that IS who he is, people expect him to change, to become dignified and Presidential.
He ain't changing, so I guess we are in for a few more years of continuous outrage and indignation as is shown here in this thread.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'll bow out of this thread before the bunkum really starts to fly. ^^
This is not alarmist. What President can't find the appropriate words for a crowd of mostly pre-adolescent boys? He should have left his boozy off color accounts at home.
You say that his aberrant behavior translates into some sort of virtue, sorry, I say otherwise.
Well hell Ken, since you are bowing out of this thread I will just have to talk about you behind your back. ;-)
It appears I need to back up a step. Impressionable would have been a better choice of words than innocent. I am well aware of how much kids really know, (or have heard), in those formerly described innocent years.
My point was the increased impact of hearing what was said, (and as you noted, had probably heard before), by their ultimate leader, the leader that they would rightfully expect to be their role model.
Compare it to a 12-year old cussing. Sure they have heard cuss words, and sure they probably cuss among their friends, but they probably don't cuss in front of mom. But.. if they saw mom cussing all the time - don't you think they might be a little less inhibited about cussing in front of her?
I believe our president is, and must be a role model for our youth. Adults are a different matter.
That is the problem I have with Trump's Boy Scout speech. And I think that is such an obvious truth that to defend the speech is to deny the obvious. An indefensible act in an adult.
Nope. It didn't surprise me at all - and I can't believe it has surprised anyone else. He speaks publicly knowing kids are listening to him all the time. Why would the Boy Scouts be any different when they have shown themselves to embrace conservative ethics - the very 'ethics' that Trump likes to twist & twirl into ugly things.
This was just a perfect opportunity for him to speak to the people that he thought would be 'on his side' 100%. I'm sure he thought of it as one of his rallies.
I do think Trump did not address the assembly in a manner which was appropriate. I do have to agree with Misfit Chick, though. Trump could be expected to perform exactly as he did.
It is appalling that our President cannot talk to a group of children without being inappropriate. It is sad that both supporters and non supporters have stated that the people who selected our President to speak to a group of children should have known better. It is most sad and appalling of all that a significant number of Americans consider all of the above to be just fine.
Panther, if he can't speak to children in a ideal non-political setting, how can he be expected to communicate any better when it is for keeps?
Conservatives have been painfully silent and keeping themselves in the shadows for the most part. Is his act here part of a political genius that we cannot fathom? Draining the swamp or otherwise making fundamental changes to how things are done in Washington are far more involved than just making a narcissistic billionaire President. Conservatives always seem to think that if you bring in the rich guy, he has got to make changes because he is already too wealthy to be corruptible. How naïve... What makes all of these fawning conservatives think that THIS GUY is capable of a task of such magnitude, when he is so ham-handed with the simplest of things? Just like it never crossed my mind to launch to the moon on a pogo stick...
My golden retriever has a greater appreciation of what must be done than 'the chosen one'. He is the very antithesis of every trait of character and personality needed for the task at hand. While this is a relatively minor event of small significance, it revealed a great deal about the man, Trump. And, he continues to confirm the fact that I don't like what I see.
If he lasts until the mid-terms, I will be surprised.
You and I agree. I had hoped he would "straighten up and fly right" (a phrase my mom used to say) when he assumed office. My common sense told me he wouldn't, but I srill had hope. Now, I just hope he doesn't cause irreversible damage before he's out of office.
I liked his speech. How can ANYONE be D O W N on PRESIDENT TRUMP?
H O W ?
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I believe that Island Bites said it best in her recent post. Did you read her comment or any of the general complaints?, They go far beyond being merely partisan in nature.
My question is how can anyone be UP on him.? I guess that he is ok for rightwinger types but he does not do it for me.
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