What to do about North Korea?

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   jackclee lmposted 7 years ago

   It appears that we are at another crucial point in history. In the 1980s, Reagan faced a similar threat in Soviet Union. He negotiated and ended the cold war and took down the Soviet empire without firing a shot.
   In 2017, it appears President Trump has a similar challenge. If he can negotiate an end to this rogue nation, millions of people will be freed of the tyranny just like millions were freed after the fall of the Soviet Union. Can he do it? The art of the deal, must be tested and Trump is on the hot seat.

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      wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I'm not sure any "deal" can be made with Kim.

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         jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Maybe not, but perhaps a deal can be made with China and Putin to neutralize North Korea?

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            Marie Flintposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Combining China and Russia in some sort of plan makes the most sense politically, if you can get the two nations to agree. I could see all countries with a common border to North Korea accepting refugees with the unified support of the United Nations and NATO (are China and Russia active in either?) The second part, again if China and Russia were to agree, would be to completely blockade North Korea--no trade with them whatsoever, including food and medical supplies. The measures would seem harsh, but the message would be clear, "The world does NOT support your regime, Kim Jong-un!"
            
            What's to be gained in all of this? World peace.

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               jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Yes but China has indicated they are not willing to go there...I don't see Russia helping either. That is the problem with North Korea. They are supported partly by China and yet goes and does what it wants... even with impunity by testing missiles against past agreements...
               What to do with a rogue reginme? Sanction only hurt the people of North Korea...not their leader who is treated as a God by the way...
               We made a mistake with Iraq, I don't want us go down the same road...
               Thinking out of the box may be necessary here.

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                  Marie Flintposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Without international cooperation, Jack, there's nothing we can really do about the situation except invoke Divine intervention and patiently wait for seeds of peace to unfold. It will probably take about two generations. The earth's approaching mini-ice age will help to draw peoples together.

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                     jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     Haha that makes me laugh... since when have the international community come together on anything...the UN is the worst. I would disband it in a heart beat. It is corrupt and had done very little to bring about world peace...or protect refugees...

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                        Marie Flintposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        I trust my spiritual sources.

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      Marie Flintposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      A tough question, Jack.
      
      Although I did not vote for President Trump, I do believe the man has uncanny ability to size up a situation, listen to counsel, and follow through with the most efficacious procedure possible. With Trump's stance on abortion, he must see North Korea for what it is--a hotspot of atrocity and despotism.
      
      A spiritual channeling pointed out that Kim had a Western education in England and could have applied his training to help his people. He could easily have become the next candidate for the Nobel Peace Prize and won the hearts of the world. Instead, he chose to follow his father's footsteps.
      
      The current world situation will not prevail because we are becoming wiser and more compassionate as a race globally.
      
      Pray for the enlightenment and freeing of the suppressed people of North Korea. Pray for our world leaders to recognize that war is not the way.  Court patience as a loyal friend as the seemingly chaotic changes turn into a harmonious, new paradigm for everyone. ~~

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   abwilliamsposted 7 years ago

   I agree with Wilderness. Trump has his work cut out artfully dealing with this one. Kim is cra-cra! But he must be dealt with, one way or the other.

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   ptosisposted 7 years ago

   My jaw is open down to the floor. Sarcasm?

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   jackclee lmposted 7 years ago

   It was estimated that we spent 100 billion in the Iraq war... There are 25 million North Koreans, each with annual average income of 1000 USD. Why don't we just pay them to over throw their leader Kim Jong Un...
   How about $1000 per head, if my math is correct, only $25 Billion, a quarter of the cost of removing Saddam.

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      Marie Flintposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Not such a good idea, Jack.
      
      In a fear-based tyranny, there are actually followers of the despot. More guns wouldn't bring peace because 1) the most aggressive, closest followers would have already killed Kim if there had truly been a change of heart--no extra guns would be necessary, 2) of those who would probably like to kill the North Korean leader, these are being tortured and starved. Food aid intended for the poor ends up feeding the elite group. Mistreated individuals can't even get close to the leader.
      
      The plan seems to look somewhat feasible from a monetary standpoint, but the element of human nature hasn't been considered or evaluated, and that's where the power lies, not in the guns themselves.

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   jackclee lmposted 7 years ago

   A second way, thinking out of the box...
   How about have South Korea reunify with the North as they did in Germany...?
   Take down the DMZ, American troops come home...we can help them reunify with financial support...

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      wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      You would put an additional 50 million people under Kim's regime of torture and subjugation?

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         jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Obviously reunification involved removing Kim and not let him rule over all of Korea...
         What make you even think that was an option...
         We have a lot of leverage. We can use economic and military power to make Kim an offer he couldn't refuse...
         He could be paid well and relocate to some neutral country like Swizerland...and live out the rest of his life in luxury...or else.

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            wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            But we can do that without all the hassle of reunification.  And without loading S Korea down with the equivalent of 25 million (half the population of SK) destitute refugees.  Plus, of course, the need to control the rest of a corrupt regime.
            
            Better to drop 25 million rifles into the north, each with 500 rounds of ammunition.  The problem should very quickly resolve itself.

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            Marie Flintposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            From what I understand about Kim's personality, he loves being in control and the center of attention. He has what he wants, and his ego is so inflated that he thinks he can take on the world, including the United States. Superior nuclear power is Kim's dream. With nuclear, he can threaten the world, just like he continuously threatens his own kinsmen who are less than superior in his mind's eye. Offers of anything less than more power will be scoffed at by Kim. Think again--power, not material comfort, is what the man wants and cherishes.

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      GA Andersonposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Hi jackclee, I think I recall that South Korea has, at some point in the past,  made overtures to N. Korea, of some type, that would lead to talks of unification. Obviously it didn't go anywhere.
      
      GA

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         jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, but that's where the art of the deal can come handy...
         Perhaps Trump can apply his skills to convince the North it is to their advantage to join the world population...

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            ptosisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Choke * what?
            Old Bone Spurs is pouring gasoline on a fire with his stupid tweets. How is that deal making? Tweets are not policy nor deal-making.
            
            Former GOP Sen. Gordon Humphrey (N.H.) calls the Imperial Adolescent,  "sick of mind,"
            
            "Humphrey asks Kuster to support a bill in the House that would establish a test to determine if the president is mentally fit for office.
            
            "Donald Trump is seriously sick. He is dangerous," Humphrey said in the letter. "As a citizen, former U.S. Senator, and twelve-year member of the Armed Services Committee, I urge you to act [at] once."
            
            "Donald Trump should be relieved of the powers of the presidency at the earliest date."
            
            Humphrey said the escalating crisis with North Korea compels Congress to act."
            
            "Donald Trump is impaired by a seriously sick psyche," he wrote. "His sick mind and reckless conduct could consume the lives of millions."
            
            - http://thehill.com/homenews/administrat … rom-office
            
            
            Personally I think Agent Orange wants support via being a war prez like Bush43.
            

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               jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               So let me get this straight... a lunatic leader of North Korea threaten the set up a nuclear weapon on us and Trump is not fit to be in office. Let me remind you, the reason we are here is the ineffectivemess of rhe last administration to deal with this...they allow this rogue regime to get nuclear and now Trump has to clean up this mess...  He is up to the task because we have the superior military force... we can destroy North Korea in a blink Of an eye.  The people who really gets to be blamed should be Obama and Kerry and Susan Rice and Hillary Clinton.
               What have they done to stop Kim? Nothing...
               We are reaping what we sow, just like ISIS was our creation. We had the chance to stop it before it became a real threat. Obama's inaction let to the largest human tragedy in modern times...the million Syrian regugees. Sometimes, inaction leads to more bad things...

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                  ptosisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  Wow, really? smh You sound straight out of a cartoon magazine with that poetic rhetoric of yours.
                  
                  General Incompetence is going to lead by tweeting?
                  
                  And you are OK with millions and millions of people dying world-wide with the fallout? Awesome plan of yours. Glad they won't let you out of your padded cell.
                  
                  
                  

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               wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               Really?  Some idiot armchair psychologist thinks Trump is insane and you agree that the Senate should institute a requirement to test him?  Now that's a bonehead idea!

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   Will Apseposted 7 years ago

   The US imposed sanctions on China for decades, isolated it internationally, and impoverished everyone in  the country. Then China got nuclear weapons and suddenly the way to bring it into the international fold of civilized nations was 'engagement'.
   
   'Engagement' meant vast US investment and a suddenly very wealthy communist country with a huge population which is set to squeeze the US out of the region.
   
   There is no making sense of US foreign policy.
   
   Maybe that is why Tillerson is strangling the State Department.

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   ptosisposted 7 years ago

   Tiny Thimble Fingers can't even take care of affairs in his own WH let alone have a coherent policy.
   
   
   
   
   

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      Credence2posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      The cartoons are so appropo and funny. The Donald Duck one was a scream. (That red tie)

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         ptosisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

         Gotta have levity if wish to enjoy life.
         
         
         

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            jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

            Make fun all you want...except Nuclear missiles is not very funny...
            Reagan had plenty of levity...
            Remember, "launch in 5 minutes..."
            He got results and brought down the Evil Empire...
            
            North Korea is a cult with a deranged leader.
            And the funny thing is, the US media wants to make fun of Trump.

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               ptosisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

               WTF? Reagan did NOT bring down the USA - or wait - you're talking about USSR? He didn't "take that down" neither.
               
               Tear Down That Myth Reagan wasn't even in office when the Soviet Union collapsed
               
               Ultimately the soviet system just wasn’t very good at organising at running a country. The talking heads in Moscow gave out orders and dictates, setting unrealistic targets divorced from reality and expected everyone to magically achieve them. - https://daryanblog.wordpress.com/2016/0 … agan-myth/
               
               Does this sound like anybody we know?
               
               
               

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                  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                  You are showing your ignorance. The iron curtain came down in 1989 shortly after Reagan left office. It wss under GHW Bush that the Soviet Empire collapsed. However, it was Reagans policies that beought it about. It is still Reagan's Star wars missille defense systems that protected Israel and Europe today...long after he is dead. Get it?

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                     crankaliciousposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                     Could you go read a history book? Try looking up the "Marshall Plan".

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                        Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this

                        The institution of martial law contemplates some use of military force. To a varying extent, depending on the martial law order, government military personnel have the authority to make and enforce civil and criminal laws. Certain civil liberties may be suspended, such as the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, freedom of association, and freedom of movement.
                        
                        THE EMERGENCY WAR ACT, has been use since Abraham Lincoln was kill and every 2 years they must have war to keep this law and continuing  to build US CORP. About 22 wars in the last 20 years for the US with a president design for corporation because Presidents are not of Countries.
                        
                        It all about controlling the world with fear. I don't think the nukes will go off in every part of the world, my faith is most people will not allow it.

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   PrettyPantherposted 7 years ago

   Let's send The Donald over there to meet with the Ruthless Dictator. Put them in a room together with only a North Korean interpreter and North Korean press.  The Donald could use his superior negotiating skills (the Best!) to broker an a-ma-zing  deal. The Ruthless Dictator would serve him cake (2 pieces!) and compliment The Donald on his unprecedented threat-making skills. They could compare their Golden Thrones and share a chuckle about their ability to keep the masses entranced with their rhetorical brilliance.  Trump will emerge from this meeting of two of the greatest leaders in history to announce a joint North Korean/US task force to monitor the proliferation of nuclear weapons. It will be bigly!
   
   I'm sure this could happen and the 36% (or is it now 34%?) would praise The Donald for saving us from the Ruthless Dictator.

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   Kathleen Cochranposted 7 years ago

   Put someone in charge who knows what the xxxx they are doing.

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      jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      In a democracy, the people gets the government they deserve...no more, no less

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    Paul Wingertposted 7 years ago

    Who has the biggest embarrassing man-baby? US or N Korea? If our own orange man-baby wants to destroy N Korea, all he has to is buy it and open one of his casinos.

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    awareposted 7 years ago

    I have no sympathy for north Korea at all.

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       wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Apparently you aren't the only one - Japan is saying they will defend Guam from Korean attack.  Not all countries as are frightened of Trump as we are being told.
       
       http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/08/10 … -says.html
       
       (Strange how that isn't in the news, isn't it?  That's a pretty big statement to never see the light of day with liberal media)

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    Castlepalomaposted 7 years ago

    No worries folks
    Trump knows :The bluff of the deal. 
    He even bluffed people that he wrote Art of the Deal.
    China needs North Korea for protection and there is no Great fossil energy for Trump to steal. Why would China help US when they hold too many of the cards.
    
    Promises broken/No action taken
    
    Despite Trump’s promise to cancel visas, on his first day in office, to and from foreign countries that do not allow criminal and illegal aliens back into their countries, he did not follow through·       
    
    Propose a constitutional amendment, on his first day in office, to impose term limits for all members of Congress. No such proposal exists.
    Get rid of gun-free zones that exist at schools and military bases on his first day, but gun-free zones still exist.
    
    Promised to direct the secretary of the Treasury to designate China as a currency manipulator, but Trump changed his mind and said China is not a currency manipulator.
    
    Despite his promise to cancel billions of dollars, on his first day in office, in payments to U.N. climate change programs, he did not. Trump’s budget proposal does cut funding for climate change programs, but it doesn’t stop funds that have already been approved.
    
    Promised to save and protect Social Security and Medicare, but there haven’t been any changes to these programs.
    Ending Common Core was among “first 100 day” promises, but it still exists.   
    
    Trump promised to increase funding for local police programs, but no additional funds have been directed to those programs. In fact, under
    
    Trump’s budget proposal, local counterterrorism programs would see cuts.
    
    Despite his promise to have the “great, big, beautiful wall” fully funded, and paid for by Mexico, the plan to fund the U.S.-Mexico border wall is unclear, and Mexico has denied any suggestions that it would pay for the construction.       
    
    Trump planned to enhance penalties for those who overstay their visas, but current penalties have not changed
    
    Trump promised to appoint a team to create a cybersecurity plan within 90 days, but there has yet to be a team appointed, and no such plan exists. Trump also promised to have a full report on hacking within 90 days, but no such report exists.         
    
    Trump promised to ban foreign lobbyists raising money for American elections, but no action has been taken—it is already illegal for foreign nationals to contribute money to American elections.   
    
    Trump continues to promise to speed the approval of life-saving medications, but the administration has yet to address this.
    
    Other mentions
    
    To secure U.S. borders to eliminate illegal immigration *Sign a bill to repeal and replace ObamaCare as vowed * Removal of more than 2 million criminal illegal aliens. In March, Immigration and Customs Enforcement * Acts to roll back Obama-era policies, but did not cancel “every unconstitutional” *Vowed to cut funding for “sanctuary cities,” *To begin building the U.S.-Mexico border wall in his first 100 days. Construction has not started,* Muslim countries for a 90-day suspension of entry to the U.S. Federal courts blocked the order. A revised version is still tied up in the court *Order to roll back Obama-era coal leases in an effort to produce “clean coal,”

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    awareposted 7 years ago

    Why have a weapon if you never use it? People say using a nuke is insane.  Well throwing 150000 young men at each other. In the middle of civilians for years and years. Is a bloody barbaric mess. In iraq alone an estimated million civilians have died alone. And all this war stops nothing. Use the dam weapon. Warn a city tell them to evacuate it give them 30 days. On day 31 .show them the extent of our resolve.

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