Trump has gave in on DACA - not what we voted for...

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   jackclee lmposted 6 years ago

   As I have said repeatedly, when Trump is attacked unfairly, I will defend him. But, if he goes against his promise, I will call him out.
   This latest deal on DACA is exactly what we Conservatives does not want.
   We want a strong border enforcement policy that will stop the incoming of illegal immigrants.
   The issue of dreamers is an important one but has to be addressed in context of the full immigration reform policy.
   Trump gave in to what the Democrats wanted...
   I hope some of you democrats will be honest enough to give him credit for doing something you support.
   Election should have consequences...
   As we see with this case, nothing has changed.
   I am still waiting for that wall to be built...

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Apparently Trump is backing off of requiring that a DACA solution include a 2,000 mile stone wall. 
      
      This I can support; these are two separate issues and DACA is important enough that the normal political games of horse trading with people's lives should not apply.  I also believe that Trumps stance on DACA, right from the beginning, was primarily bluff, little more than something to force Congress to take up the problem and find a lawful solution to what decades of those same political games have caused.  DACA itself is illegal - the president, whether Obama or Trump, does not have either the responsibility nor the authority to pick and choose which of the laws Congress has passed shall be enforced.  That Obama ignored his sworn duty to enforce the law did not make that decision legal.

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      Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Jack, Not sure why you feel president Trump caved? Please check out President Trump's facebook he has posted his intent on DACA.  he claims he will not budge on building the wall, as well as doing away with the lottery program and chain migration. Why not wait to see what he actually approves and sighs.  To early to speculate what will be in the bill.

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         jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Because, I see the writing on the wall. The democrats does not support the wall, and some GOP leadership does not support it either. They say they support it but behind the scene they work to foil this legislation of funding the wall. That was also the case with repealling Obamacare.
         It is clear to me Trump has his work cut out. He has to deal with both parties that cater to the elites of this country who wants a global one world order and open borders.
         I will wait and see if I am correct.

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      Sharlee01posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Jack,  Just viewed the press conference with Trump and the President of Norway. He confirmed that there would be absolutely no deal on DACA without the conformation that the wall be part of the bill.  It appears he is not backing down.

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   Valeantposted 6 years ago

   You're one to typically wait for proof.  Shouldn't we see what the courts decide on this issue before ruling on its illegality?  It's one federal judge in Obama's favor so far.

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I have no confidence in the courts any more. The whole DACA order by Obama was a clear violation of our constitution. It is Congress who makes the law, and the job of the executive branch to carry out the law. These judges have no understanding of our Constitution. They should be removed from office.

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   Valeantposted 6 years ago

   Shouldn't things like allowing off-shore drilling be done by Congress then?

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Maybe. National land management is part of the executive branch. There are grey areas which the court can weigh in on, which is their primary job. In recent years, they seems to drift away from that with the specific case in ACA instead of ruling on the Constitutionality of the law, they rewrote it to make it Constitutional. That was Chief Justice Roberts. What a disappointment...

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   Valeantposted 6 years ago

   To think people who disagree with spending billions on a wall that may or may not work want open borders is another ludicrous assumption on your part.  The things you claim to know about people who don't agree entirely with you are astonishingly naive sometimes Jack.

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      PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      If someone were to provide real evidence that building a border wall is a cost effective method of border control for the long term, I would be for it. I'm not for wasting infrastructure money on something that makes a certain subset conservatives feel tough on immigration when no evidence has been presented that it would be effective, much less cost effective.

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         jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         That is easy. Go see Israel and Saudia Arabia. They built walls and they work pretty well.

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            PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            LOL, no that isn't enough for me. I need details and figures.

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      So, I am naive. Did you know all of them voted for a wall just a few years ago? Including Senator Schumer and Clinton and Obama back in 2006?
      So what changed?
      Could it be they never intended to build it in the first place? They did the same thing to Reagan. Reagan passed an amnesty bill but was assured they would crack down on border patrol. Guess that didn’t happen either.
      
      Here is the truth. Most American citizens want a stronger border control. That was partly why Trump was elected this past election. Yet, we still have people in power who is doing the bidding of donors and elites and corp. who wants cheap labor and open borders.
      You don’t have to take my word for it.
      Do your own research...
      
      This issue is not about race by the way. As much as the left want you to believe it is racist that wants to close our southern borders.
      It is about sovereignty of a nation.

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   Valeantposted 6 years ago

   What I mean is that you consistently make blanket statements about people not in agreement with you.  A couple of GOP lawmakers recently killed themselves after sexual abuse charges were levied against them.  That doesn't mean you should go out and say that all GOP lawmakers are sexual predators.
   
   These assumptions you tend to make aren't in line with the reality of how many people think.  And when you make them, myself and others are tired of hearing them and are going to call you out on them.  Saying people want open borders is just not true among the majority of America.

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with you on that statement. I did not say most people want open borders, I was very specific, in saying the progrssives, the leaders of Congress, the donor class, and the large Corp. that benefits from cheap labor...and the fruit and vegetable growers...
      Most American citizen want an orderly immigration system like most other nations around the world.
      I am not getting your complaint about me or my statements.
      Please clarify...

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   Valeantposted 6 years ago

   You say democrats don't support the wall, then later you say that both parties cater to the elites who want open borders.  Well, I'm in one of those parties and there's no catering to anyone.  The open border myth has been perpetuated by Fox News and it's just plain false.  Both parties can agree that border security remains an issue.  What they agree to fund is the difference.

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      jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Then how do you explain the million of people coming over our borders year after year...
      Are we that incompetent of a nation?
      Use your head, nothing happen in Washington by accident.
      It is planned and we the people are being played by both parties.
      You are either deliberately saying this or you actually believe it. Either case, the facts are the facts.
      We need the wall and it is the only thing that will stop the illegal entry of people and drugs to our country. If we don’t do it now, I guarentee you in 10 years, we will not have a country any more, at least the one that I support and defend under our Constitution.

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         wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         "Are we that incompetent of a nation?"
         
         Yes.  Given that a nation IS its people, not its geography, its leaders or its neighbors, yes we are incompetent.  As a people we don't want to give up cheap labor/products and are too stupid to understand the cost we're actually paying for those products.  We are incompetent.
         
         Cheerful, happy thought, isn't it?

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            jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            No that is not incompetent. We have technology that put man on the moon. We are not incompetent. What is happening at our borders is by design. Don’t you get it? The power that be wants the border open...and stay the way it has been for 50 years...

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   Valeantposted 6 years ago

   Millions?  How about some research instead of just your perception. 
   
   According to the DHS report,  the number of successful illegal entries — including people making multiple attempts  — between ports of entry along the entire southern border with Mexico has plummeted from 1.7 million in 2005 to 170,000 in 2015.

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      promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Mostly during the Obama administration ...
      
      

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         wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         The question becomes "Why?".  Because, with the recession, not so many saw a land of milk and honey so didn't try?  Or because we didn't try to stop them?  (I do question why just Mexican citizens were included, though.  What about all the other nationalities that come across that border?
         
         Have to say, though, that I've also seen where Obama stepped up border patrol and caught more, not less, people (not just Mexicans) attempting to sneak in.  Guess I'd have to believe the border patrol, given a choice.
         
         Now...with things improving so much economically, will we once more see a big increase in attempts?

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   Angel Guzmanposted 6 years ago

   Do you see the irony of your anti-immigrant views?

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      Randy Godwinposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      No Angel, they only know what Fox News tells them to know. "Talking points" and no substance....
      
      But back to the topic, the truth is Trump doesn't have a clue how Congress works. He tried to make it seem like a board of director's meeting, but flipping like a fish in one direction until someone caused him to flop in the other direction. If the intent was to show him as a "stable genius" then it utterly failed. The WH has spent most of the day explaining just what he "actually meant" to say.... You just can't make this shit up!!

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