Family separation is a big new political talking point , Some family separations are permanent however . Now Molly Tibbetts was separated permanently from her family , I wonder when this new phenomena of "selective outrage" will actually be for a good cause?
Separating hundreds of families at the U.S./Mexican border and comparing it to this very sad case of a young woman's untimely death is a case of apples and oranges. How far did Fox and Friends have to search to find one crime committed against a white person by an illegal immigrant? It is admittedly still one too many, but you are exploiting her death for your own political purposes.
It's a terrible shame her young life was cut short. So why don't you lean on the R majority in Congress to actually compile a list of any felonious people who are in the country illegally and get them out? Because you are all lazy and just want to have a big chip on your shoulders and blame everyone else for problems.
Stop blaming D's for any crime that happens which entails what you call "an illegal immigrant." The laws of who could and could not enter our country for fear of their lives did not change. Trump and Sessions illegally decided to apply it in the cruelest way for their political purposes.The remaining kids they still have left who are not reunited with parents will be raped and sold into sexual slavery. Even in the first days of this "change" to the rule of law that lawless Trump and Sessions liked, they never made a plan to reunite any of these families with their kids and proceeded to kick parents out and into unknown countries.
Democrats don't advocate for "open borders." This was an idea a few fringe nuts on the far left liked, and Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity (entertainers, not journalists) harp on each day. But we pay huge amounts of people to protect the Southern border, and the taxpayers should not have to pay for this wall. Politicians on both sides should actually find out for once and for all who is in this country, and if they overstayed their visas or have committed crimes, kick them out.
Gee , ".......Sorry Molly and family BUT let's talk about the poor immigrants....................... ?
The Elizabeth Warren thing was beyond disgusting. You wonder how low those people can go, and they will shock you by going even lower than you'd thought they would.
But I ask myself what exactly good I could expect from someone who's entire career is based upon a lie about her identity.
So Liz Warren, a fake Native American, is a person who puts non citizens first, and that is what a lot of others in the DNC are doing, if not all of them.
I don't understand how someone, as a US citizen, could hate the poor in the USA, or their own heritage so much that they care more for those here illegally, than those who are citizens.
Those sorts are not patriots, and they seek the death of the greatest nation the world has ever seen.
August is nearly over, then comes September, and in November, it's a straight Republican ticket for Me
Where did you find proof that Elizabeth Warren has no Native American blood in her? She only told one anecdote from one relative she heard as a young girl, which led her to think she is part Native American. She never brought it up again. Didn't you ever have a Grandparent, Uncle, or Aunt, who told you the same story at every holiday get together? Maybe there was truth to it, at least a grain, or maybe not. Families all have members who never got their facts straight.
I know Warren checked a "Native American" box in a college application, but have no reason to believe she did it in a lying way. Her career has shown she is intelligent. Trump, in his usual petulant, childish way, has always called her "Pocahontas" ad nausem, since Warren told this story that one time. Isn't that rude and demeaning, to keep needling her about it? Shouldn't a President be held to higher standard of behavior?
I was not aware she had her DNA tested.
I don't want to argue, I am interested if new information about this came up.
Warren Identified in College employment applications for her career advancements , then colleges used that identifying to advance their own ethnic diversity , for one , to possibly acquire federal funding ?
Don't try to make this an innocent choice of words for P.C. Sen. Warren , It was nothing less than a selfish career advancing move to acquire a benefit package by lying. BOTH by Warren herself and the institutions that she gainfully worked for , for decades .
I think that she is tops, and have big expectations for her in the coming months.
Republicans and conservatives in their desperation will do anything to denigrate viable Democratic Party candidates.
It's almost boringly predictable just how blind liberals are about the true costs of illegal immigration ,I've never seen such a group ,especially here , who can turn their heads away from the real human and familial sacrifices of such a crime wave as illegal immigration .
I for once, in total agreement with horse. Think they should send all the immigrates back to where they came from. Give back the land to the rightful owners. The Mexican and native American.
Turn your head away from reality Castle , keep up the great work .
This is a tough one. You can't paint all illegals with the same brush. But, you can point to this as an example why it is so important to control the flow of humanity across our borders.
The mixing of opposing humanities and their cultures is the direct problem with illegal immigrants , for instance although the work ethics of some hispanics is as good as ours , they live in a culture hellbent in corruption , politically , legally , economically and socially . Talk about drug crime , politics or corruption in Mexico and you can end up dead , dismembered and hung from a lamppost .
The killer of Molly Tibbits has a brand new anchor baby with a former classmate of Mollys and lives in a area surrounded by sanctuary cities , interesting ? Apparently Not to illegal immigrant supporters , Just one more casualty .
Apparently the Democrats are willing to "write off " plenty of the Molly Tibbits in America for the benefit of" Open Borders" and NEW voter roles.
How does a Democrat view such criminal illegal immigration control as in the Molly Tibbet's case ?
Sorry Jean , It IS democrats that are for open borders and you know that , lying about cases selectively and individually to attain the larger cause is ALWAYS the democrats way .
MS 13 Gangs , drugs , child prostitution , sex trafficking , exploitation of cheap labor ..........pick the poison and take it willingly , All Open borders is your party platform , so ask yourself this , who's mowing your grass ?
No, the position of the Democratic Party is NOT open borders. That's what Fox News says our position is. Try a few other news sources. I'd say more, but you aren't open to any views except those which feed your prejudices.
Jean, you are absolutely correct, 'open borders' as a Dem position is just another lie propagated by propaganda outlets like fox channel:
Despite what republican nut case cry babies like Sean Hammity whine about all night long on TV, the borders are NOT open and he knows it and never have been: I've been there many times and they're just not: Borders are PATROLLED:
A 21 foot ladder, or drone, or airplane or boat or tunnel will easily breach a gigantic 20 foot high pile of 40 billion dollar useless concrete:
"... so ask yourself this , who's mowing your grass ?
Holy cow ahorseback, do you really want to own that thought?
What's next, a statement about watermelon and fried chicken? Or maybe you have a thought about thick glasses?
Well tell us GA , Why is the democratic party all in for completely open borders , Perhaps you might enlighten us to the reason "free health care for all " essentially doubles states fiscal budgets in an era where all states are struggling for revenues ? It is democrats who always tell us that "......Close those borders and there will be no one to perform the menial jobs like cutting the grass , cleaning the kitchens in restaurants , picking the fruit trees , nannying the kids,..... "
There comes a point where immigrating a seemingly crime infested culture of one ethnicity for the purpose of increasing your democratic voting block has to be held accountable for it's criminality .
Or is this the democrats new "affirmative action "?
Socialist --Demobrat's believe Trump goes low , yet apparently the knob has fallen off their TV's and locked them on Fox And Friends [ you know most demobrats watch religiously ] They've stopped listening to Pocahontas apparently and haven't heard her diss Molly Tibbits , or praise the illegal Anchor Father that killed her by stabbing her to death , How much do you all want to bet he raped her too and the media is" hushing that up"?
I hope she runs in 2020 too , It will be extremely entertaining to watch Trump play her tender emotions like a cat on a string . She'll have her feathers wet in tears .
Why do you spend so much time needling people and wishing bad things on them? It's so sad.
Because your party is promoting these people for one,
Through lies ,manipulation ,ignoring of truth , completely ignoring tradition politics and common sense. Lie , cheat and plagiarize , I cannot stand the lies that your party promotes .............
I just moved from the quintessential liberal stronghold state of Vermont , an exact duplicate of California liberal politics where every piece of legislation involves in one way or the other the rejection of individual liberties in one form or another .
One more party stronghold of a state that promotes entitlements at the eventual economic cost of all others , through the process of beg ,borrow or steal the plan is to the all encompassing high taxation , elimination of personal accountability and ,just like all across America , socialism by theft .
I despise what many in America are evolving our government towards , in truth not even a socialism BUT an individual entitlement utopia at the cost of eliminating traditional America values . Elizabeth Warren , Bernie Sanders ,Ocasio - Cortez , This is your wish for America's future ?
Good answer. Not surprising, just what I would expect of Jean’s ilk, what you say about people and politics can’t be important because “you spend so much time needling people and wishing bad things on them.” That is all she gets from the truth and factual observations you make? That’s right, make the issue the messenger because he makes so much sense people might actually be swayed by him, so he must be belittled and suggest he is even psychotic.
First of all, you are a troll, as you have never published even one article.
I resent your representation of "people of Jean's ilk." I got on this forum to ask for factual answers regarding Elizabeth Warren, i.e. a DNA test, and none of you people who get your "news" from conspiracy theorists on Fox news and talk radio can provide that info. I'm still waiting. My question was for an actual writer, who has different political ideas than I do, but I respect him, and he has never written anything hateful.
None of these people you follow are journalists and don't deal in facts. I also pity you, for following a person who spends all day starting hate threads. You are on the wrong side of history, and these tired insults about socialism, Trump Derangement Syndrome, your fear of a government run by anyone who is not an old, white man, show that you are driven by fear and racism. You are taking information completely out of context. Find another way to work out your anger management issues. Just stop here, I will never engage with you again.
This is a writer's site, in case you didn't figure that out yet. You have no business on here.
Boy, is that s your ilk knows to do, call people trolls because they haven’t published an article? What is it with you, you want to make up your own rules. Hub pages doesn’t care if I have published an article, why should you? Oh I know, you don’t care about substance, you just like to attack the messenger. How’s that working for you since everyone knows that’s what you do when you have no substance.
Jean, not only has La Veezta not written any articles for HP but ahorseback has written an ASTOUNDING 1 article in years and years: I've been here a much shorter time just months, and have already written an extensive article on Donald Trump's apparent compromised mental state:
What these individuals don't seem to realize is that social media has had just about enough of the white nationalist propaganda and constant lies spewed by the nut case Alex Jones' and Breitbarts and fox channels of the world and the plug is being pulled slowly but surely on all of them for their abuse of speech, giving a platform for those dregs who seem to get enjoyment from siding with our enemies like white nationalists and Russia against the USA:
It's just unfortunate that this place, if you take a look at all the anti-American threads being established, is being dragged down into the sewer and jeopardizing HP's standing as well:
I start legitimate discussion which question the patriotism of Donald Trump and the criminal investigations of his camapaign etc but WHY on Earth does HP allow a thread to stand that asks the ridiculously fake false question if John McCain is a traitor or patriot? Or if our FBI can be trusted? This is all the kind of despicable anti-American FAKE news propaganda that Vladimir Putin has dreamed about spreading, and now he obviously has a puppet to execute his agenda from the inside:
BTW: 188 is probably not the number of articles of impeachment which will be drafted by a republican congress, but it's pretty close to the number of criminal counts:
Jake's , Trump Impeachment Reason # 189 Right wing opinions should not ever be allowed ?
Jake , I have one published article because I chose to unpublish my 1000 or so articles from hubs for artistic reasons , look at the numbers of my followers , envy will get you nowhere . Compared to your one hub and two followers , mine wasn't too bad huh ?
Its too bad that you can't silence the ideological opposition by banning because you have no decent argument but guess what , That's life ![so far ]
I never said that, I said FAKE right wing propaganda should NEVER be allowed, like the fake question is John McCain a traitor or patriot? Or if the FBI can be trusted, or most of the right wing lunatic conspiracy junk that Vladimir Putin adores, junk which has no basis in fact that some around her post daily:
Conspiracy dope Alex Jones is finally GONE, some should learn a lesson from that:
Yea someone should learn a lesson from Alex Jones ---like CNN for just one , The View girls , Msnbc But I'll tell you this Jake , enjoy your liberal bias swing , it will go back in another direction soon and you will melt down then too .
With two pointed references Jake, you know I have to offer a response.
If you think it is anti-American just to ask a non-issue-specific topical question, (and a question historically related to issues of 45 years ago), then I would challenge your American principles. At least as you portray them.
You visited that FBI thread. Did you not see the question of the OP, or the direction of both liberal and conservative responses?
For you to post; "... I thought GA was better than this, falling into the breitbart, Alex Jones conspiracy nonsense: This is just another foul discussion which should be terminated just like the other anti-American threads such...", I would think that you did not.
It appears to didn't have time to respond to a challenge to your perspective on that thread;
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/340 … ost4026518
But, you do have time to write two more post denigrating the thread.
Come on Jake, man-up. If you want anyone to view you credibly, then stand behind what you say.
I don't have a problem with you thinking, or posting that my thread was anti-American, because I am more than willing to rebut such a claim.
I am also more than willing to refute your "... falling into the breitbart, Alex Jones conspiracy nonsense" nonsense. If you would just step-up and defend your claims.
But... can you do it specifically relative to the thread, OP, and its content of responses, and not some adjective filled tirade about Trump supporters?
ah gawwdddd," there's two of them.
"Jean's ilk?" Did you give thought to the inference created by the use of that phrase? It goes both ways you know.
Did you give thought to
“ah gawwdddd," there's two of them.
When you said that? Well I gave the same thought created by the use of “ilk”
You do know all it means is a type of people similar to Jean, or you for that matter. Big whoop, what do you want to do, call me a racist?
What? You mean Jean is black!!!!
That thought hadn't occurred to me. Why did it occur to you?
Because you liberals love to throw the term racist, homophobe, troll, you name it, at your detractors whenever you are losing an argument and so I expected that to be your next move.
"... you liberals?"
Have you ever seen me "...throw the term racist, homophobe, troll..." around?
Only you can know if this is the first time your expectations have failed you, or that you have been wrong, but I suspect it isn't.
ps. since we weren't having a topical discussion, what argument do you think I am losing?
You are a liberal, those are liberal practices, if you don’t want to be suspected of it change your ideology. Another thing liberals do is put words in my mouth like you did when you said I mean Jean is black, a pathetic passive aggressive but typical liberal tactic and you know it. I explained exactly what I meant by what I said and you turn it into when did I see you use those terms. I never said you used those terms did I, I asked you if you are going to because that’s what liberals do. another attempt at putting words in my mouth. I explained those are tactics liberals use, you can’t honestly question that. Jean just called me a troll, (and I bet you have used that term more than once) and since you are a liberal I explained why i’d have expectation that you might but I never said you did. So why would you ask me if I ever saw you do it?
Hi again La Veezta,
Apparently you are much more comfortable with generalizations than I am.
You see me as a liberal because I apparently disagree with your comments. That is an incorrect assumption, and I am sure there are more than a couple here that would disagree with you. A wrong assumption prompted by an incorrect generalization.
As for putting words in your mouth, I did not. I put inferences to your words. You said you expected me to call you a racist - due to your exchange with Jean. Why would I do that if you weren't inferring Jean was black? Nope, I didn't put words in your mouth, they were already there.
However, I have been accused of having a passive aggressive style. Probably because I try to remain civil, which can be difficult at times - like this one - so you might be right about that. But I didn't know that was a liberal trait.
Regarding the "when have you seen me use those terms...", that was simply to point out that one of your Liberal characterizations might not be correct. I mean, if I am a Liberal, but don't do those things, does that weaken your thought that I am a liberal?
*just to keep your words straight - as they came from you, you didn't ask me if I was going to use those terms, you said you "expected" me to use those terms..
You don't have much of a batting average so far La Veezta, Just as you previously mentioned addressing the message instead of the messenger, these comments show that you should try practicing what you preach.
It is lately very typical of liberals in America , Can't debate the specifics of politics ; then accuse the messenger of ignorance , bigotry , racism , misogyny , nationalism , or madness .
Whatever they do , they can no longer defend a move towards personal entitlement , increased spending , bigger government and less liberties .
They want socialism and won't rest until they get it or die trying .
Jean Bakula , You don't get to call one a troll because they do not share your unsensurable party group thought . There are plenty of people here, new or not, that have no written "articles ", I for instance deleted over one thousand of those because of Hubpage 'politics ' and nonpromoting.
Truth is , Your party doesn't like an opinion or the originator that doesn't match yours . and denigrate them from hate and so ........welcome to your greater party platform ,In debating someone , anyone the accusatory "bigotry, racism , sexist or ignorance " is what your party accuses best. Can't you or your party go a little deeper than that ?
They can’t, they won’t and didn’t you know they’re thoughts and opinions are superior to anything you might have to say about anything so why should they?
The thing about that is you can always predict exactly where they will go when they’re proven to have no substance to what they say and the really funny thing is they’ll start by attacking the messenger and end with attacking the messenger because in between they have nothing but memorized talking points ....here’s your sign!
ahorseback and La Veezta,
The definition of troll: a person who posts on a website for no other reason besides provoking others.
You wouldn't like any views that weren't yours.
La Veezta, stop the nonsense about throwing around terms, the only negative one I used was troll, you made up the rest. You never were on this site until two nights ago and don't know anything about me. I am a freelance writer who makes a good amount of money writing articles of substance here for the last 7 years.
What i don't like , respect or support is the new liberal socialist ideology that you have all adopted , and that's all plain and simple language that I'm sure you'll still twist to your liking .
Didn't you forget "illiterate"? This is definitely not the mature way to deal with a "troll".
GA you are a liberal, only a liberal would go to the length you have to try to disagree with everything I said which any objective person with common sense who cares to read it knows what I said is totally correct. You know it too but like all liberals you can’t stand not putting your spin on it with the last word. Good for you, it profits you nothing and just demonstrates further I am right. So go on, even though you nor I have anything to gain from this discourse, go on and pleasure yourself, I’m through with your ilk.
I've seen some rude, unpleasant people in these forums but you take the grand prize. I suggest that we all stop talking to you and maybe you will go away.
GA and Pretty Panther.
Thanks for jumping in. I felt really attacked last night, stupidly, as this is a troll who knows nothing about me. I have written over 140 articles of substance, all of which are Featured. I try not to come on these political forums, because they get so mean spirited, and it's the same few people who are so crass. We three try hard to be civil and also are here because we are freelance writers.
I considered reporting the troll and the person who starts most of these obnoxious threads, but it's a topic the administration has brought up before. Since HP is trying to hard to raise the standards and working hard on revising the niche sites, I believe it makes us look bad when newcomers check out the site and see these argumentative forums from people who don't even write. But it gives our site a bad name.
All I did was ask for info regarding a DNA test for Elizabeth Warren, who is obviously intelligent enough to have been accepted at any college without pretending she had a Native American status. And if she was thinking she needed that help, other ethnic groups would have been more helpful. I'll look it up myself. Thanks again for the support, and I am interested in your thoughts about how much of a liability or asset you both think these forums really are.
Hold on now Jean, don't be including me in any "civil" goody-goody group. I have a reputation to live down to. And I try to stay away from choir rooms.
Thanks GA and Pretty Panther,
It's the lack of civility that really bothers me. I try not to insult people who have different ideas than me. I came onto this forum to question a point of fact in the first place. I generally avoid these political forums, because except for the few of us who don't need to resort to name calling and analyzing people we don't know, it's annoying and not worth it. I felt very attacked last night and was going to report this to the administration. We've had this talk before--it isn't good for our site when we are trying to upgrade to niches and people come on these forums who don't write here and aren't part of our community spouting nasty stuff. I didn't do it, but still may. Thank both of you.
GA--I'm Dutch and Irish, but some of my ancestors were "black Irish", lol.
Calling someone "illiterate" is pretty insulting. Just sayin'.
Hi Jean, then let me prompt you to take a page from your "Black Irish" ancestors.
You should never, repeat after me, never, feel threatened or attacked on a forum. Think of a couple aphorisms that I know you are old enough to understand; Sticks and stones ... etc. and the one I find most helpful; "Consider the source."
Keep those in mind and you will never feel "attacked," even when the "source" really is verbally attacking you.
That will be 50 cents please. (free advice isn't usually worth much) ;-)
That's okay with me too La Veezta, It doesn't harm me for you to think you are right, so have at it - privately.
But, if you want to proclaim your 'rightness' publicly, as in these forums, then you should welcome opportunities to prove you are right - rather than just thinking you are.
Jean , This is a political forum is it not . If you'd like and would feel better , I'll repost some of my hubs for the sake of your feelings ? Otherwise learn to live with different opinions that are not your of only own party !
In other words open up your mind , it's a good thing . What a great world it would be if everyone agreed with you and yours .
Jean , GA , for your information , I had over one thousand hubs published here , another 800 ish unpublished in draft form , Tell us please why my [or anyones ]decision to unpublish my hubs for business purposes should define whether or not I should post in open political forums ?
Who defines how many hubs defines one worthy of your criticism IN a political forum , I have a suggestion for Jean too , You seem inclined to take only conservative political opinions personally, do you do that as well with the offensive liberal posts or are you about to "catch up" with that ?
I don't mean this to be mean but if you cannot take the obvious heat of opposing political ideologies , maybe your place isn't IN political forums , Jean , You are a very nice person and I know that because we have commented each other in the past !
But for your health ? Consider staying comfortably away from such open and to some ; Interesting and healthy discourse or dialog in politics .
Why include me ahorseback? I never jumped on the "you haven't published" bandwagon. I don't think your username, or how many hubs you have published have anything to do with political forum participation. And I certainly didn't join Jean's criticism.
Geesh. See what you have done Jean? Stick me in some goody-goody group and immediately I get lumped in with the knotheads group, (the ones that thought hubs and usernames mean something in this forum), too.
Back to you ahorseback, I will judge you by what you say, not your HP "status."
ps. I remember the time before you deleted your hubs.
It was the other person who argued with me that I never wrote anything of substance. It wasn't you. I went back to your account and saw you deleted work, I know you had a lot of articles at one time.
I can argue opposing ideologies, if they are laid out in a sensible manner. An attack is just an attack. I came on here about Elizabeth Warren, never expecting a two day political nightmare. I could have written a decent article in this much wasted time. Bye.
GA , No offense intended to anyone , I once considered myself a poet and was a beginner short story writer . Hubpages decided that artistic writers for them wern't profitable , their traffic tanked for a period of time and they migrated towards "content 'writers . And , I never signed up for the income thing . SOoooo, I unpublished perhaps out of some bitterness , for which and whatever , here we all are in political forums .
No offense taken ahorseback, I just didn't want my curmudgeon status messed up by any goody-goody associations. ;-)
... and compared to some of the other online political forums I have investigated, it's a pretty good forum too. So you are right, here we are.
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