How to extricate your self from TDS?

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  1. jackclee lm profile image81
    jackclee lmposted 8 months ago

    This forum is started as a self help for those afflicted with TDS.
    Here ar my ideas to help.
    You can take it or leave it.

    1. Stop watching TV news and stop listening to radio news. These are what we refer to as main street media.
    2. Do a reset on your knowledge about Trump.
    3. Do your own research on the web and read up on his long career and family...
    4. You might learn something you never heard before.
    5. Here is the hardest part...
    Take a sheet of paper and draw a line down the middle. On one side list all that you think is true about Trump.
    On the other side, list what you learned doing your own research...
    Does the two match up? 100%, 75%, 50%, or less?
    6. Once you calibrated your knowledge, now take a chance and tune into talk radio, like Rush Limbaugh or Mark Levin...listen for a week and learn their MO...
    7. Now determine for yourself, who is a trusted source for news?

    This is one way, not the only way to extricate yourself from the deception surrounding Trump.
    I wish you luck.

    Now you may ask why should you do this, time consuming exercise?
    The answer is this. If you go down the path as you current are heading, you will have no place to go.
    Here is what I mean. It is like crossing a bridge and burning it behind you.
    Once you go down the road and belief in all the lies about Trump, there is no turning back.
    I am not saying he is a saint but he is just like many other people you know. They have good parts and they have faults. They are human...
    Once you fell into the trap that he is a racist, a sexist, a predator, a Russian colluder...a mentally unstable person.,,where do you go when they are not true?
    How do you walk those back? Who do you blame? Only yourself.
    Good luck.

    1. wilderness profile image98
      wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      I don't know Mark Levin, but Rush Limbaugh is NOT a "trusted source for news".  He is an entertainer, not a newscaster or even a talk show host.

      1. jackclee lm profile image81
        jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, but Rush has been right about politics for over 20 years.

        Mark Levin is a Constitutional Attorney and talk show host. He wrote many top selling books...
        He is honest and a conservative and he calls it as he sees it, on both sides.

        The point is, in today’s climate, there is no true journalism any more. Journalism died in 2008 when they sway an election for Barack Obama, a no body with zero experience...and a clean slate.

        At least, with Rush and Mark, you are getting the truth, how things are instead of spin and lies and fake news.

        1. Aime F profile image83
          Aime Fposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Oh man it seems you are in no place to be advising anyone on how to come to reasonable conclusions.

          1. jackclee lm profile image81
            jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            That is a reaction I guessed I anticipated. It is fine and as I said, take it or leave it.
            Just want to give you TDS a heads up. You’ve been warned, in a loving way. I hate to see people disappointed, and misled.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              TDS can also stand for your particular crowd, Jack. I'm not gonna tell you what it stands for but the lest letter is "suckers." tongue

        2. Marisa Wright profile image97
          Marisa Wrightposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Why are you so positive those two people are trustworthy, while the whole of the rest of the world's press are liars?   What reasoning did you use to arrive at that conclusion? What evidence can you offer me?

          If it's just because they say what you want to hear, that is not enough reason to decide they're trustworthy.  Unfortunately, truth isn't always pleasant.

          1. jackclee lm profile image81
            jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            I don’t make recommendations lightly. My judgement comes from many years of listening and reading and watching and paying attention to all the news...
            I am blessed with a good memory. When someone say something, I remember it and when the topics come up even years later, I remember most of it.
            In my estimation, after years of following politics, and the media, I found there are several types...
            1. A person who claims to be objective in reporting but is not. They hide their bias and will report news with a spin.
            2. a person who is after the truth and will criticize all sides even his own party when they do wrong.
            3. The real die hards who will lie and cheat to defend his side regardless of truth or ethics.
            4. The clueless. Those that just read what other write or say without a thought of their own...

            In all my years of experience, I put Rush and Mark in category number 2.
            They don’t try to hide who they are or claim to be objective. They are proud to be conservative and they defend the constitution over the party.
            They both have tremendous audiences, Rush with 20 million daily listeners,
            Beside being good at what they do, they are also entertaining. Their show ismpopular among conservatives and liberals alike. Both sides listen not only for knowledge but for their insight and also for the fun...

            1. Marisa Wright profile image97
              Marisa Wrightposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Having a good audience just means you're a good bull$*** artist.

              1. gmwilliams profile image84
                gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                In some cases, having a good audience means that the latter are naïve, gullible, & powerless.  They see authorities & powerful people as their psychological elixir so to speak.

                1. jackclee lm profile image81
                  jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  That may be true but my experience with Rush is that most of his audience are smart and well informed about issues...

                  1. Marisa Wright profile image97
                    Marisa Wrightposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    You think they're smart because they agree with you.  That's no way to judge.

    2. crankalicious profile image93
      crankaliciousposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Not really even worth a response, but here's an objective analysis of the veracity of Rush Limbaugh's statements:

      http://www.politifact.com/personalities/rush-limbaugh/

      1. jackclee lm profile image81
        jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Why rely on a political site when you can tune in and hear for yourself?
        The thing about Rush is you need to learn his modus operandi. He will say things as satire and some who doesn’t know this thinks he is up and up.
        I am pretty sure some of the lies they attribute to him is because they don’t understand his humor...
        You will have to tune in and listen for a week to get it...
        You may be pleasantly surprised.

        1. jackclee lm profile image81
          jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          I am glad we are having this important discussion. It bring head on as to why we all disagree and who we trust to get our news...
          This is only happening in the era of internet and talk radio. Before this, we all watch only 3 channels ABC, CBS and NBC. Now we have many sources and obviously, they are biased including the conservative sites. But, the truth is still the truth, no matter who tells it...agree?

          1. Aime F profile image83
            Aime Fposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            You would think so. But it was the Trump administration that coined the term “alternative facts.”

            1. jackclee lm profile image81
              jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, it was the media that made up stories and ran with them without checking sources - hence fake news.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                PrettyPantherposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                Really, Jack?  That is so ridiculous.  Kellyanne Conway first used the term "alternative facts" to defend saying the crowd size at the inauguration was the biggest ever, when it is demonstrably untrue.

                1. jackclee lm profile image81
                  jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  It was the media that posted the photo before the actual inauguration to show it was sparely attended.

                  1. jackclee lm profile image81
                    jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    Here is story how they deceived people -
                    https://en-volve.com/2017/01/21/poll-is … e-numbers/

                  2. Aime F profile image83
                    Aime Fposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    K, so... show the photo of the area when it was full and point out that the photo the media posted was misleading. There was really no need to kick it in the other direction and use misinformation to “prove” it was the biggest inauguration crowd ever. How does that make them any more reliable than the media? (Hint: it doesn’t.)

              2. Aime F profile image83
                Aime Fposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                Well “alternative facts” was used as a defence for the “facts” that Spicer gave regarding the inauguration crowd... many of which are pretty easily refuted. It’s not the media’s fault Spicer was given incorrect information.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                  PrettyPantherposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  Kellyanne looked like she was vomiting up the words "alternative facts" when she said them.  I will never forget it, because it was so obscenely ridiculous.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          I listen to Rush and Hannity every day for my daily dose of humor, Jack. Seriously! The fact you believe these shysters tells a lot about why you can't see through Trump like other 65% of the country. Sad...

    3. Sychophantastic profile image87
      Sychophantasticposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin are awesome. And don't forget about Alex Jones!

      1. jackclee lm profile image81
        jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        I am not a fan of Alex Jones..

      2. promisem profile image96
        promisemposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Thanks to them, I now know that Obama was a Muslim, the half brother of Osama Bin Laden and part of a vast conspiracy to take over America by his fellow Muslims.

        1. jackclee lm profile image81
          jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          I never heard that and I listen to Rush. Where did you ge that?

        2. jackclee lm profile image81
          jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          This is exactly what I am talking about. If you want to pursue this I am willing. Show me the transcript where Rush made those statements. I challenge you - put up or shut up.

          1. promisem profile image96
            promisemposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            I thought my sarcasm was obvious. Limbaugh, Hannity, Jones, Breitbart and the other right-wing media all pushed the Obama Muslim claim along with a lot of other BS about him.

            Anyone who claims otherwise is not willing to admit it and suffers from ODS.  smile

            1. jackclee lm profile image81
              jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              That’s your problem, you group them all jn basket and the media promotes this so the American people have a distorted view of conservatives.

              1. promisem profile image96
                promisemposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                "The media" includes Fox News, Breitbart, and Limbaugh. But you believe them?

                1. jackclee lm profile image81
                  jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  The rest of the main street media, 90%, are liberal and democrat. Poll after poll shows this. Do you deny it?
                  The same goes with Hollywood, and the elite colleges...

                  Yet we are told, we conservatives are extreme and out of touch and biased...

                  Guess what? 40% of the public identify themselves as Conservatives.
                  Who is out of touch?

                  1. jackclee lm profile image81
                    jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    Cutting to the chase...
                    Why do you think Democrats does not want Trump to succeed?
                    What is it about his agenda that scares them?
                    Tax cuts?
                    Border control?
                    Killing ISIS?
                    Better Trade agreements?
                    Support Israel our one ally in the middle-east?
                    Bringing manufscturing jobs back to US?
                    Dropping out of the Paris Accord?
                    Drilling oil off shore?
                    Building the XL pipeline?

                    You guys are missing the big picture.
                    If Trump succeeds, America wins.
                    So, if you are the opposition, what do you stand for?

            2. wilderness profile image98
              wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Hannity I can stomach, albeit in very limited amounts and carefully sifting what is said for truth and completeness.  Limbaugh - "incitement to riot" comes to mind, and while that's probably a little strong it doesn't miss the mark by much.  He's makes a living by inflaming emotions and is very good at it.

              1. jackclee lm profile image81
                jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                You don’t understand how Rush conduct his show. You have to be a long time listener to understand what he does. He knows there are many on the left that monitors what he say every day every minute. He uses that selectively to create controversy. How often have you heard main street media say here is what Rush said today...on their show? How did they know that unless someone is listening and feeding them the info. They often get the quote wrong or out of context.
                In fact, Rush and Trump are similar in using those tactics. Rush is more refined and less crude.
                He is always a gentleman and treat his guests with respect.

                His satires are famous... like the Sharpton song about the magic Negro...sung to puff the magic dragon tune.

                Rush is a political commentator. He claims he has no compnnection to the GOP. He would have guests on his show but he himself conduct his show from Florida by choice. He is far from the halls of power of DC. Yet, he commands respect and when he speaks, people listen and often he is right...

                1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                  Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  Rush is a paid shill, Jack! No wonder you don't know anything about what's going on. yikes The reason he has no guests on his show is because they'd destroy him with facts.

                  1. gmwilliams profile image84
                    gmwilliamsposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    Exactly, Rush is a joke & Alex is bordering on the insane.  I have never heard such nonsense that Rush & Alex spew out.  Time to take out the popcorn!

              2. promisem profile image96
                promisemposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                I agree, Wilderness.

    4. crankalicious profile image93
      crankaliciousposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      And here's some analysis of Mark Levin (and the people who believe him, I suppose):

      https://www.mediamatters.org/research/2 … lie/215573

      1. jackclee lm profile image81
        jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Media matters is one of the most dishonest organization funded by George Soros.

        1. crankalicious profile image93
          crankaliciousposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          You have a tenuous relationship with the idea of "dishonesty" then if Limbaugh and Levin are your news sources.

          1. jackclee lm profile image81
            jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Don’t judge until you experience it for yourself. I have been listening to them for years and I have read their books.
            Thry make a whole lot of sense...
            You need to separate your ideology from the news.
            They are Conservatives and proud of it as I am.
            They are also believers of the Constitution. The truth and words do matter to us.

            1. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              They make sense to you because they tell you what you want to hear. Just like they do on their TV and radio shows.

              And they are certainly not believers in the Constitution. They want a one-party country with racial and religious purity and power in the hands of a small number of people.

              1. jackclee lm profile image81
                jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                They make sense to me because they agree with my philosophy and my understanding of the Constitution.which has not been followed by the progressives and the big government crowd.

    5. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 7 months agoin reply to this

      Now that the Mueller investigation is wrapping up and no Trump collusion was found...
      Where is the apology?
      https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar … n-meddling

  2. Live to Learn profile image79
    Live to Learnposted 8 months ago

    I have no idea what TDS is, but I assume it's a shot at liberals.

    I would say your best course is to listen to as many different news sources a possible, juxtapose that to the reality you see in order to determine who is fair and unbiased.

    I would avoid loud mouth commentators like Rush. I've never listened to your other recommendation, so I can't form an opinion there.

    1. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Where have you been? 
      TDS stands for Trump Derangement Syndrome
      It is a real condition where a person is so affected personally by the election of Trump that they are experiencing difficulty dealing with life and are going out of their way to attack Trump in some cases at the detriment of themselves...
      A prime example is Brian Ross of ABC news.
      There are many others...who have ruined their reputation because of their disdain for Trump.

    2. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      I hope you listen to me about financial investing...
      If you did, you would have been 20% richer this past year...
      Again, you can lead a horse to water...but you can’t make him drink.

      If you listened to the famous economist at the NYT, Paul Krugman, you would have missed out on the biggest stock rally in history of the market.

      Who are you going to trust with your money?

      1. Live to Learn profile image79
        Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        I care more about the welfare of the American people than my stock portfolio. Honestly, I consider this multi tier stock market to be part of our problems.

        1. jackclee lm profile image81
          jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          So let me get this straight. You would rather America continue in the path of the Obama years, of 2% growth, lost jobs to out sourcing, open borders for immigrants from all over, and very little jobs or wages growth...
          The wealth created by thos boom affects at least 60% of people who are either invested directly in the market or thru theit 401k funds...
          This is a real weath builder.

          So your ideology had gotten the better of you.
          I guess that says it all. Good luck.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Jack, you need to go down to Mar Lago tonight where Trump is having a $100,000 a couple dinner so his donors can reward him for his tax bill. Of course, Trump isn't going now the govt. is shutting down due to  his once again lying about signing a bipartisan bill brought to him last week. You remember the shithole/house  meeting in the Oval Office I'm sure.

            1. jackclee lm profile image81
              jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Randy, you might want to flood our country with illegal immigrants out of the goodness of your heart, but the rest of America who is clear thinking, knows that in the long run, our soverignty will be lost.
              Trump made it clear in the meeting what he will accept and the bipartisan Congress was not going to meet his demand. This by the way is what most American want from our congressional leaders.

              This has little to do with race despite how Durbin and the corrupt media try to create the message.
              No other nation in the world has an open border like ours.
              If you want a continuous stream of low skilled workers taking jobs and keeping wages stagnant, than just continue what we are doing. It is working as designed.

              The rest of us want a controlled immigration process.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                I never indicated I wanted to flood our country with illegal immigrants, Jack. But I do want the DACA problem to be solved in a timely manner. I do believe Trump is a racist because I've lived among racists my entire life and can easily recognize one. Keep telling yourself this lying arrogant buffoon is good for our country's image and you'll be just fine. Monetarily, that is....

                1. jackclee lm profile image81
                  jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  If that’s the case, you must have very poor judgement. Do you know what is the definition of a racist?
                  I am talking about a legal definition. If you been around racist, then you must know what they do?
                  Trump is clearly not a racist, and many people have said so, not just me. He was portrayed by the media to make him to appear to be racist and a clear example is what went on with,the Virginia incident. I have explained that before and you can take it or leave it.
                  In 2016 America, a racist would have zero chance of running for high office or even a dog catcher.

                  The American people are not stupid. They may be misled at times by corrupt people or organizations.
                  The current economic boom is real and they see it and feel it and soon in Feb. will get a bump in their pay check. Sorry if that disturb your twisted views.

          2. Live to Learn profile image79
            Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            No. But until Americans start looking toward what's in the best interest of all Americans and not simply what fattens their personal wallet we'll keep wallowing in collective misery.

            1. jackclee lm profile image81
              jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              How so? What is you idea how to help all American?

              I thought we conservatives answered that in the Constitution.
              The way to help all people is to have self reliance and people pursuing their dreams...
              That is the only sure path to happiness and success.
              Big government with all its entitlement programs have failed miserably.

              If you have a better idea, I would like to know? Honestly.
              If we are to have a real discussion about policy and results, then we must present ideas and test them against reality.
              We just had 8 years of progressive, big government, policies that did not produce the wealth and jobs we needed.
              Now, Trump, in one year, has delivered a better alternative and you are not able to see it.
              Why? What is it that you don’t get?

              1. Live to Learn profile image79
                Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                First, conservatives didn't answer that in the constitution. If you think the revolution, it's outcome and the subsequent government formed was the result of conservative thinking....there isn't a starting point for a conversation.

                1. jackclee lm profile image81
                  jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  You avoided answering my question? What is your proposal?

                  Our Constitution, if you read it, clearly called for a limited government. That is the under lying principle of Conservatism.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image79
                    Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    Sure. Conservatives believe in limited government on some fronts, then demand to legislate morality standards they don't bother to live by. They are for limited spending, on every thing but war.

                    I'm for limited government on all fronts, but keeping in mind that we need to care about those citizens on the lower economic levels.

            2. wilderness profile image98
              wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              "...we'll keep wallowing in collective misery."

              Do you really believe that?  As we look around at the thousands upon thousands of coffee stands selling $10 coffee, as we look at the huge proliferation of restaurants, both fast food and traditional, can we be "wallowing in misery"?

              When the size of the typical home doubles and even cheap cars come with power everything, AT and AC, can we be in "misery"?  There are more than 10 major RV retailers within 10 miles of me, and it isn't the 1% supporting them by buying their completely unnecessary motorhomes and 5th wheelers.  90% of Americans, including a great many children, carry a phone everywhere they go - no more running to a wall phone - and half of those are smart phones with access to the worlds information about everything.  Half the households have a computer and virtually everyone has access to one in a library.  The cruise industry is flourishing and building billion dollar ships to serve the people that want that kind of thing.  Last Thanksgiving was projected to be the highest travel day in US history, with most of it via plane.

              I just can't see this "wallowing in misery" concept for all but a minute minority of Americans.  Of course, I'm defining "misery" by my childhood, not by the yacht owners floating the Mediterranean.

              1. Live to Learn profile image79
                Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                I don't think we should all be yacht owners on the Mediterranean. But our system of life creates slaves to the system. A consumer society only survives if people consume. It only flourishes if they consume more and more. Prices are rising across the board, pay rates are stagnant. The divide between the haves and the have nots is growing. How sustainable do you consider this to be?

                1. wilderness profile image98
                  wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  I agree that rampant consumerism is not a good thing, although I will also say that wanting more than we have is a natural part of life and is what drives innovation and improvements.

                  But I surely do question the idea that pay rates are stagnant.  If we aren't earning more now than we did in the past all those companies selling luxuries could not exist; we wouldn't have the money to support them.  I'll also say that prices are NOT rising appreciably; that most things cost no more now (in terms of hours worked in order to purchase them) than they did 50 years ago, and those that DO cost more are nothing like the products we bought back then. 

                  If we compare prices, again in terms of hours worked rather than $$, from the 50's or 60's they are very much in line with what we pay today, and what we get today is generally far superior in quality.

                  1. Live to Learn profile image79
                    Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    Let's hold the observation of rising prices in the arena of food and fuel. Two things necessary for survival and the ability to get to work to earn what's needed for survival. The average inflation rate since the fifties holds at about 18%.

                    But, you are right. Wants and needs are not the same and we could certainly save by not purchasing many things. But, without that purchasing our economy would flounder.

                  2. Eastward profile image91
                    Eastwardposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    I think it's also worth considering the level of higher household debt people are taking on to maintain a comfortable level of consumption. We've only begun to feel the effects of globalization.

  3. Kathleen Cochran profile image79
    Kathleen Cochranposted 8 months ago

    "Do a reset on your knowledge about Trump."  Voters already did that on Election Day and look where it got us.

    1. jackclee lm profile image81
      jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Where has it gotten us?
      Dow over 26,000.
      Business and jobs coming back to US
      ISIS decimated...
      Jerusalem capitol of Israel
      Tackling immigration problem finally...
      Sexual harrassment stopped in the work place.
      Reset on Paris Accord.

      All good s far as the American people is concerned.
      Where do you sit?

      1. Sychophantastic profile image87
        Sychophantasticposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Not only has sexual harassment been stopped, but Trump has done an amazing amount for the blacks.

        Their unemployment is way down.

        1. jackclee lm profile image81
          jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, and how many of these things would have happened if Hillary was elected President?

          Raise your hands, anyone?

          Where is the compassion for the poor, the disadvantaged, the American workers?

          The Democrats have a lot to think about and introspection....

        2. promisem profile image96
          promisemposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Agreed. He was right when he said that 95% of all blacks will vote for him.

          “And at the end of four years, I guarantee you that I will get over 95 percent of the African-American vote. I promise you. Because I will produce.”

          https://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/ … ote-227218

          1. jackclee lm profile image81
            jackclee lmposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            That is typical Trump...the truth is he doesn’t need anywhere near 95%.
            Even if he gets 25% of blacks, he would win by a landslide. Blacks have traditionally voted Democrats 90% of the time...

  4. Aime F profile image83
    Aime Fposted 8 months ago

    The average size and cost of a home is 2500sqft and $150,000?!  Crikey, sounds like I might need to move to the States.  That’s even worth dealing with Trump for.

    1. wilderness profile image98
      wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      That's what they say - 2500 sq ft.  And I'm guessing on value, based on the homes right around me.  Neither cheap nor expensive, not downtown and not rural.

      1. Live to Learn profile image79
        Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        That's bs and I assume he knows that. I have lived in quite a few states and that is only true in very,very rural areas or dying towns.

        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          LOL  I live in one of the fastest growing cities in the country (fastest in Idaho, and a suburb of the capitol of Boise), and that's about what I see.  Admittedly, I don't scan the million dollar plus homes, and that will skew the average, but do stand by the price of an average home.  And the size, too.

          https://www.bing.com/search?q=average+h … e=20111030  (I'm off a little, but not much, at $180,800)

          and

          https://www.reference.com/home-garden/a … b8144de9b2  Again, off a little at 2598 sq. ft.

          Better move to Idaho.  God's country, don't ya know?  (Unless you're from California - we already have too many of those nut jobs trying to make another Cali out of the state.)

          1. Live to Learn profile image79
            Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            LOL. So,home prices are lower in Idaho so you assume that's the norm. We can't all move to Idaho. I've lived all over the East coast and, on average, that price might get you a single wide trailer. Unless, you head several hours out from any metropolitan area. And, in those depressed and rural locations, it might as well be $250,000. Because the wages used to pay that mortgage will be 1/2 of what can be garnered working in the city.

            Seriously. I bought a house in Colorado Springs in the late '80s for more than that. It was in a middle class neighborhood.

            I think you might want to rethink your figures. They're incredibly outdated.

            1. wilderness profile image98
              wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Nope - the links are nation wide.  I just used my area because it seemed reasonable for the country; a large (100,000 pop) suburb of a decent city (Boise) with several more towns in the immediate area.  Neither downtown nor rural, as I said.

              Although that "not downtown" is changing rapidly sad .  We used to be in farmland (1996) and now it's residential and light commercial everywhere.  When they put in a new interchange about a mile from home, and made the road outside the subdivision into 5 lanes it began to change rapidly.

              Let's see, though. I built a house in a large (2400 lot) gated community with lots of amenities in the 80's in rural Va. The house was $90,000 and the lot $9,000.  Though I'm not sure you can call a 2400 lot community with 2 pools, 7 lakes, 2 clubhouses, 4 tennis courts, basketball court, 5 playgrounds, 24 hour security at both gates plus a roving guard, private campground and 33 miles of private, paved road "rural"!  1988, that was, and about 1/2 hour from Richmond.

              1. Live to Learn profile image79
                Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                I built a house in'90 in a bedroom community in Va. Contracted myself. It cost about $100,000. 2250 sq ft. I came in about$40,000 under the prices quoted by GC's.

                You are wrong. Wilderness. I'm sorry to tell you. Whoever is coming up with those figures is using all housing, substandard or not, wilderness areas, or not.

                You can buy a nice house, cheap, in a little town about 1.5 hours from Richmond. But, it will never go up in value. You'll never get a job to pay The mortgage in that area. The town is dying and has been since the railroad abandoned it. I don't think it makes sense to include some area such as that in figures. Not for working people. It skews reality for people, such as yourself, who want to pretend things aren't getting harder for the average middle class working income.

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                  wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  Oh, I don't know about pretending some places and prices don't exist.  My home was in Ladysmith, between Fredericksburg and Richmond.  Lake Land'Or was the community and there was another one just down the road - Lake Caroline.  Both were just off of I-95, on what was (then) the last undeveloped interchange between Petersburg and Boston.  Land prices went from my $9,000 to nearly $30,000 when developers from NYC found us and began busing in customers to sell summer homes to.  (We fought and beat the tax increase, though!)

                  One of my neighbors worked just south of DC.  Alexandria, as I recall.  75 mile commute each way, nearly 2 hours in rush hour.  People WILL do that kind of thing to get more house than they could otherwise afford.  And with telecommuting today, anything is possible.

                  But LTL, saying that I pretend things aren't getting harder doesn't make a lot of sense when your sole reason for saying so is that you disagree with the sales numbers from Zillow.  I gave you half a dozen prices, from houses to eggs, and the only one that went up was the housing.  If you don't like my figures, find your own, put them into hours worked to purchase X then and now and compare the two.  Don't just say you don't like Zillow for home pricing and therefore the entire premise is wrong!

                  1. Live to Learn profile image79
                    Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    I didn't say I don't like Zillow. I'm simply pointing out that housing, in areas where decent jobs are prevalent, are not in line with your figures. My experience negates the validity of those numbers. And, I would put forth (through direct observation to support) that lower pricing reflects lower income potential in those areas, which would imply that,all things being equal, prices are rising faster than wages.

                    Driving the three hour commute increases the costs by that drive. Which, by monthly figures, would raise the monthly cost of that home to be in line with the higher priced homes closer in.

                    1. wilderness profile image98
                      wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                      "Driving the three hour commute increases the costs by that drive. "

                      You're not kidding!  He pretty much had to buy a new car every other year, most because of that commute.  For him it was worth it, but I can't imagine it would be to me.  Of course, living in Alexandria will result in increased property taxes by probably 10 fold, high costs for utilities, any contract work on cars, houses, etc.  Pretty much everything costs more there, and that could easily have taken him out of the market for living there.

              2. Live to Learn profile image79
                Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                I find this conversation ludicrous. Even factoring a very low$125 per square foot price (way below current pricing) the house, alone, would cost $312,500. That does not include lot, proffers, water or sewer hook up, etc.

          2. Aime F profile image83
            Aime Fposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            I was just in Idaho in the summer, should’ve waved I guess. smile

            1. wilderness profile image98
              wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Yes you should have!  We could have gone down and rode the mechanical bull! 

              (Not really - I wouldn't have a clue where to find one of those.  Even the Kit Kat Club, a strip joint just down the road, is gone now - when my cousin came through town she was adamant she wanted to play darts and that's where she, my wife and I ended up.  A strange evening!)

              1. Aime F profile image83
                Aime Fposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                Oh, well, no strip club... of course houses are cheap! You’re not giving the people what they want.

                Seriously though, that’s an interesting name for a strip club. Did they do tricks with Kit Kats?

                1. wilderness profile image98
                  wildernessposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  Naw - it was on Black Cat Road, that's all.  I hear they've moved to a neighboring town when the road was widened and eminent domain got them, but haven't checked it out.  Now that I'm retired my wife keeps close tabs and she doesn't want to go and watch the bare boo...uh...things.  Yes, bare things.. big_smile

     
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