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   tksenseiposted 15 years ago

   So, both President Obama and former Vice President Cheney gave significant speeches on national security, Guantanamo, and interrogation methods. Taken together, these two speeches gave a good picture of the balance of views on these important issues.
   
   Did anyone catch them both, and what did you think?

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      nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Mr. Obama continues to reveal his duplicity by allowing the military tribunals for terror detainees to continue. During his campaign he called the tribunals an "enormous failure" and a "legal black hole."

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         VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Did Mr.Obama promise to dismantle military tribunals in election speeches?  He said "enormous failure" only. Why not he try to correct its failures?
         Will any government dismantle military tribunals and let free terror detainees? Not even in dreamworld.

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            nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Let us hope the prisoners remain in Gitmo. Bringing any of them to the mainland puts American Citizens' lives at risk.

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   tksenseiposted 15 years ago

   Politicians are politicians after all

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   Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

   Why is Cheney even giving a speech on this? He is not in government any more.
   
   I'm assuming Obama studied it and talked to experts about it before changing his mind. If he had done the opposite you would have also criticized him.

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      nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Not only are you a writer, you are also a mind reader?

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      Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Amen, Uninvited.  Why does EVERYTHING have to be set at a Hegelian dialectic?...it becomes so annoying especially with people just producing conservative/libertarian/or whatever partisan questions or 2 to 3 line sound bytes.
      
      It was my understanding that Obama was drawing praise from some Republicans for his decisions on this issue.  Oh, but not here... And it would be very sad, indeed, if our mainland prisons were not set up for average criminals such as the ones they are thinking about importing...  What, have we got Hannibal Lecter here, or what? lol.
      
      Just--I'm curious:  Has anybody ever heard of getting more information on an issue or a problem and then changing course or making revisions on how to handle something?  Oh, like at work, or on a project or something? 
      
      Neither here nor there...  But do people really think politics is about shouting at each other like the Hatfield's and McCoy's?  Maybe they discuss or give viewpoints that have a little more depth and breadth?

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   Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

   I just hope they speed up the trials though.

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   mktol1984posted 15 years ago

   I did not have a chance to watch the speeches about the Gitmo  detainees but i do have something to say first Dick Cheney is defending his administraions polices much more now then he ever did as vice president. Second the people we have locked up deserve a far day in court lets hope we are capable of giving them one and another view point is this idea that if we move the detainees into mainland America it will somehow make us less safe is really showing a serious lack of faith we have in our military like just because they are here they going to get out and run wild. As a former member of the military i ask to please have faith in us that we can keep an eye on a person is wearing a bright orange jumpsuit and is spending most of there time in a confined space

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      tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You are a former member of what military?

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   apekshaposted 15 years ago

   I am Indian I cant say anything...but hope he should try to work on recession happened because of US banking  and affected in Indian software...so hoping he will make better sense...
   He is young politician is the best thing for all...
   

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      tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Why is that best?

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         apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         To rule nation its necessary...Old man cant stand ..how he can rule nation...

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            tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            FDR couldn't stand

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               apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               FDR?????????

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   mktol1984posted 15 years ago

   The united states military Marine corps

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   tksenseiposted 15 years ago

   Ok, already some friends of mine who have served in the Marines don't believe you. But tell me, what is your native language?

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      Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Why do you always have to attack someone when they disagree with you?

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         tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I disagree with someone when I disagree with them. That's how it works. I have had friends who have been in the Marines look over the comments of that poster and they tell me they are suspect. The composition of his posts suggest he is not a native speaker of English. Hence, my comments.

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   mktol1984posted 15 years ago

   Well i could care less what your friends think i served in the united states marine corp 4 yrs my native language is english i was born in the united states

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    mktol1984posted 15 years ago

    2nd mar div 2nd AA Bn. Camp Lejune N.C. and once again if you decide to make up an insult about my spelling or grammer you can go fuck your self I type with out thought or concern for how it sounds no need to its just a forum

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    mktol1984posted 15 years ago

    Because he is a conservative and if there is one thing i have learned about dealing with consveratives is that they all are <snipped personal attack> and attack people that they disagree with

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Well, look at that! All conservatives are assholes, are they? How could I have been so unfair to such a reasonable interlocutor?

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    Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

    You can disagree...that was not my point...
    
    And you know what, I don't believe you had your friends who are Marines look over his posts...

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    mktol1984posted 15 years ago

    well if there friends of yours then chances are they agree with your views and wouldn't believe that i served in the marine corp because god forbid a liberal would join the military it is an insult to for you to assume that i did not serve my country but then again you wouldn't care about a soldier sailor or marine that disagrees with your views would you

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       They don't believe you because of specific words and phrases you have used. I question whether you are a native English speaker for obvious reasons.

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          Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          The structure of his grammar suggests he IS a native English speaker, sorry, TK...

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             tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I disagree

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    mktol1984posted 15 years ago

    I dont have to be fair all i have to do is express my views and my view is all conservatives are assholes i haven't met a conservative that i liked

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Well, that's about all there is to know about you then.

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       nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       What about the liberal mantra?
       
       Tolerance
       Tolerance
       Tolerance
       
       It's a big tent! There's room for everyone.

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    mktol1984posted 15 years ago

    Well be specific what were the words and phrases and honestly tell me what is soooo fucked up about what i am writeing i dont think you have any specific reasons i think your just being yourself which sadly means that <snipped personal attack>

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    Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

    FDR - Franklin D. Roosevelt
    
    I agree...a rather pathetic comeback and poor attempt at argument. I'm put in mind of the Monty Python sketch.
    
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3HaRFBSq9k

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       apekshaposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Oh! thanks mam..
       I am Indian how come I know these short forms...so asked..thanks for telling me...

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I agree that trying to claim only a young physically fit man can be an effective leader is a very poor argument.

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          Uninvited Writerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I actually agree with that. FDR probably would not have been elected in the first place if people had known the extent of his mobility problems, same with JFK.
          
          But, just countering what people say and criticizing their use of English doesn't get you anywhere.

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             nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             JFK was legitimately injured in combat during WW2, don't you think the voters could overlook that?

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             tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             He actually wasn't wheelchair bound when he was elected in the first place.

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             tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Responding to what people say doesn't get you anywhere? Do you suggest telepathy or something?

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                earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                It would seem that English is not your native language tksensei, You have misunderstood the word "countering" used in this context.

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    tksenseiposted 15 years ago

    Countering isn't a form of response? Nice try (not really).

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       earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Yes it is a particular type of response used in this the context originally referred to it would mean contra or against.
       Contrary, in opposition; in an opposite direction.
       "Running counter to all the rules of virtue."

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          tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Thank you.

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    goldentoadposted 15 years ago

    This is where the action is at? Anyone take off their clothes yet? I'm ready to get naked!

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       earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Too cold where I am GT

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          goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          It was 90 in my hood, well almost but its very pleasant right now, roughly 72. I would have sat around in my front yard in my boxers if I didn't have to go to work.

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             earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             I am 1pm here, early arvo, Melbourne winter,about 17C. Coolish.

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                goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Yeah, that's not too bad, gets that way at night. I put on a pair of socks with my boxers.

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    tksenseiposted 15 years ago

    That's ridiculous. Dogs don't wear socks.

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       nicompposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Of course not. They don't have thumbs to pull them over their feet.

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