Obviously, everyone is over Obama's speeches

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TimTurnerposted 14 years ago
So Obama wastes taxpayer money and his time by flying to Europe to tell the IOC why Chicago is the best place for the Olympics. Hours after he left, they voted Chicago the first city out.

Obama has invested a lot of time campaigning for the VA and NJ governorship and BOTH Democrats lost.

In the VA exit polls, 40% of voters were drawn to the polls because of Obama's campaigning but it was split whether they voted for or against BECAUSE of Obama's campaigning.

It looks like people are not only voting for candidates because of Obama's support but voting against candidates because of Obama.

I have a feeling that the celebrity and "wishful thinking" of Obama being a great candidate is gone.

Obama needs to spend LESS time flapping his jaws and more time trying to fix issues.

How about starting with Afghanistan and make a freaking decision!!!! Or just shake the 8-ball and use that as your decision. DO SOMETHING!

This clown will be voted out of office even if he goes against Palin
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not likely!
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  egivposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Calm down. Some people really expected him to solve every problem in the world and create a utopia within 3 months. He IS fixing issues, but one man can't fix everything in 10 months. Afghanistan is not a decision to be rushed or taken lightly. I wish Bush had been more careful and thorough when he planned (or didn't plan) Iraq as Obama is being now.
  
  Who are you to call him a clown?
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If everyone is over his speeches and he is as bad as they say, maybe now is a good time to impeach him. Let's get out the evidence and get a special prosecutor.
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
I kept hearing that the Republicans/Conservatives were a dead party, it seems in New Jersey and Virginia the Republicans/Conservatives have won, whats up with that?
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Don't delude yourself. This was a meaningless election. The right candidates won because they were a better choice than the opposing candidate. Obama did what he had to do as the ranking democrat.
  
  If in 2010 the republicans can offer a quality candidate that has a few ideas then Obama may be in trouble to repeat.
  
  Vote issues and not party is the only way this country can survive.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hey Tex, I had a good laugh over that same post by Rhamson on another thread
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I read it, they just don't get it, Independents my ass!
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I KNOW! And it was very sincere!!!
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You know what you two are so predictable. Nothing to say but plenty of attitude. I guess ignorance is bliss. Just look how much fun you have.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, and unfortunately it seems to be at your expense.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Well I guess an empty barrel does make the most noise. Correct me if I am wrong but did you say yeah to being ignorant?
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you say so, I know that the Independents vote issue not party.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You sounded pretty sincere can I get a second.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sure, I'm ignorant of independents voting issue not party.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Did you say something?
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Kinda makes you wonder how Obama supporters are going to justify the midterm elections, doesn't it Tex? Kinda like the way they couldn't believe that voters went Republican in 1994.
  
  rhamson, people do vote the issues and they have an issue with what people like Frank, Reid and Pelosi, not mention Comrade Obama are doing in Washington. Just because you don't agree with what the American people are doing you don't get to categorize it as voting party rather than issues.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I would hope they do vote issues and not party but from what I have seen in here the party politic is alive and well. I can categorize it how I see it and you have a right to disagree. We disagree on a lot of issues and you choose to look at it differently than I do. As far as labeling people as you have you have described your preference and likewise the position you take. That could set you up for being prejudged as having a particular bias. In my particular part of the state you find a great deal of people voting party rather than issues and they take up any cause that coincides with it.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's a big, and lazy, mistake on anyone's part.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree and hopefully my vote will cancel out someone who does not vote the issues and votes party. But labeling it does not negate its' affect on our situation. Perhaps the best part for you is that they mostly voted against Obama in the last election. Do you still think they made a big, lazy mistake?
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Nope. Obama is this country's worst nightmare. They see where the D's are going and they don't like it. Besides, it is not necessarily possible for us to know if people in those states votes issues or party.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Who could possibly know how many but a good deal of them I have talked to. Your cause seems to overshadows your logic as defined in the previous post.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  How so? If we see a party going in a certain direction and refusing to take into account the wishes of the American people then it is necessary to vote that party out. I don't think it's an either/or situation. If the D's aren't doing what we want, we vote them out. Same with the R's. Issue by issue is another aspect but equally important.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The statement that the big, lazy mistake was made by people who voted party rather than issues was negated in the following post when you said "Nope,Obama is this country's worst nightmare. They see where the D's are going and they don't like it."
  
  But I do agree that we do have the power to vote partys out if we don't agree with their particular direction.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  My point is that it's not either/or. The parties either stand for certain things or they don't. Right now, in this political climate, they blow with the wind depending on where the power is. Pathetic.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  So you think that the majority rules result is a pathetic premise for our democracy? Or is it that pollsters direct more influence to create the atmosphere for the politicians to chase after popularity? How is that related to party politics taking over?
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, I think the lust for power above all else is pathetic.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I can get behind that. Well said.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  2016 should be a very interesting election. I think many people are waking up to the fact that Republican or Democrat, the party line is Progressive in nature. Once that realization becomes common knowledge, well we might see something we haven't seen in over 150 years, the destruction of a political party. Two in this case, unless I'm mistaken and the moderates of both parties can get together.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I hope you are right!
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  Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think it will come to that. I think what you will see in 2012 is the crushing defeat of democrats as Americans reject their socialist agenda! Legalize Freedom!!!!
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And continue the farce?
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Not if the Republican Party leadership is controlled by neocons and guys like Arlen Specter. If that happens, both parties will be repudiated.
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  Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Arlen Specter is a democrat!
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Incorrect, he's a Progressive. The Democrats just happen to have more Progressives than Republicans. Did you look at the positions Scozzafava had in New York? She sounded just like a "Democrat" and she had, until about a week ago, the backing of the national Republican party.
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  Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He was a republician and he switched parties. Progressive is more like a liberal democrat or a socialist.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Look up Scozzafava. See what her stances were.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And while you're at it, look up Creigh Deeds's stances. There's an analogy there. (BTW, I am not related in any way to Creigh, politically or otherwise.)
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I have to admit, I was wondering about that.
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  Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Scozzafava is a democrat. She endorsed the democrat candidate. I know she ran under the republican brand, but clearly she wasn't a republican. Not that it matters to me. I don't care what party someone belongs to I only care that they are for smaller government, less regulation, lower taxes and greater individual freedom. Generally speaking the democrats philosophy is exactly opposite of mine.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Funny. Bush campaigned for smaller government, yet until Papa Obama, his administration presided over the largest increase in government since the bad old days of FDR. Just because someone says they're for smaller government, doesn't mean that their actions will follow their words. Actions count, words are meaningless.
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  Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Agreed! Government by it's very nature is corrupt. It is in it's own interest to grow and become bigger. Part of the problem with Bush was that the republicans had a majority in congress while controlling the WH. That's too much power for one party. The other problem is the voters that allowed that to happen.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "The other problem is the voters that allowed that to happen" Now this is something that I can agree with you on. How can we ensure that the electorate become more involved and vote? The major problem as I see it is the polarization of the electorate by the two party system and the lack of responsiblity of the voters to get out and vote. So many people take an apathetic attitude towards the process and leave it to others.
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  C.J. Wrightposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The Polarization comes from the "NON" or what should be "NON" issues when it comes to congressional elections. These issues are Abortion, Illegal Immigration, Entitlements, etc. These issues are brought to the forfront for the sole purpose of dividing the electorate and creating a constituency. Notice how NONE of these issues ever get solved. Thats because they are just their as guidpost...to tell us what side of ailse we belong on....SAD....
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  yeah
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree! They kind of dust it off and play it again when the real issues are to much to sway. The sorry thing is the lack of information a majority of the electorate aquire prior to voting. Poor saps.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Our system of government was never set up to deal with the problems of political parties. They cropped up during Washington's administration and coalesced around Hamilton and Jefferson. About the only good thing Aaron Burr did was shoot Hamilton.
  
  The problem is, as Benjamin Franklin said: "The Constitution only gives people the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself." and: "All human situations have their inconveniences. We feel those of the present but neither see nor feel those of the future; and hence we often make troublesome changes without amendment, and frequently for the worse."
  
  We're seeing today the folly of straying from the wisdom of Franklin and people like him.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If what you say is true then we are all individuals and should only rely on that which is self serving. Remember this?
  
  "No man is an island, entire of itself...any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee."
  
  This country was founded on it strength in numbers and it's progress is infinitely tied to it. If we stray from this then we are doomed to fight out our own little wars in our own little serfdoms.
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Being self reliant isn't the same thing as screwing your neighbor over. In fact it is very often not in your self interest to screw your neighbor over because you never know when you're going to need their help or be in their power. Each man should be an island unto themselves in respects to not being a burden on someone. Once we've taken care of ourselves, then it's our duty to watch out for each other.
  
  You, like so many others either deliberately or out of ignorance, confuse self interest and selfishness.
  
  Ben Franklin also had issues with the Constitution.
  
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's an interesting read on my comments. The comments by Franklin only warn of the corruption of government not the neccesity. The wisdom of letting us amend the constitution was the remedy to that problem. Jefferson also warned of doom if the lawyers were to gain control of the congress. But deliberately or ignoringly confusing self interest for selfishness you really have to make that call for yourself. Because if that were the case I would try a much different tact. You are confused as to your role as an American and picking and choosing issues that don't seem convenient because you need to take care of yourself first only lends one to believe there is a solitude about you and that your well being as an individual is paramount above all else. I hope this is not the case and that you can refrain from attacks that are judgements indicating a different nature to the conversation. You are better than that.
  
  The fact remains that with the current healthcare system we have there will be a breakdown and it will be impossible to afford very shortly and there is only one organization that can offer a solution. If you wait too long there will be no system you will be able to afford. Other countries have realized this, made the decision and moved on. Just read the comments by other foreign participants before this one. Your bias against government only gets in the way of progress proven by others. If you cannot see it then I am sorry. If you would put your efforts towards helping develop a system that is based on others success and modifying it to fit ours, then you really may have something worthwhile other than just saying no to anything the government may offer.
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  Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I agree 100%!!! Most of the time government interference and legislation just creates problems, inequities, and market disruptions, then gov comes to the rescue with more bad laws!
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  This must be one of those "most of the time" moments and no need to investigate further. Just move on to nothing seems to be your answer devoid of any investigation. Your bias sets you up to bury your head in the sand.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just curious, do you consider yourself a moderate? You strike me as a quite radical libertarian.
  http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul605.html
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Ralph you invest too much time in trying to label people. It might be a very human way to make things easier in processing information for the brain, but it's a very poor way to attempt to understand the world around us.
  
  Unlike you, I know that people are individuals. Even so, I can from time to time, make the same mistake you do and assume things. But because I treat people as individuals and not classify them in groups, I understand that you can hold a wide variety of opinions that do not conform to the asinine division of conservative->moderate->liberal. Things just are not as simple as that tripartite division.
  
  And yes, compared to Ron Paul, I would be a radical libertarian. He believes in a minimalist government after all, while I believe that the Constitution naturally leads, over time, to the unholy mess we find ourselves in today.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There is no such thing as the Republican/Conservative party. Republicans in Virginia and New Jersey who were careful to distance themselves from the right-wing loonies beat two troubled candidates.
  
  The conservative who did the opposite, distancing himself from the "rational" Republicans was beaten by a mediocre Democratic candidate.
  
  If Republicans want to retain any relevance as a national party, they have to throw the GlenBeck cult overboard.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Uh huh!
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Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago
Well they still love him over in Europe. However I understand that Obama just turned down Merkel's invitation to the anniversary of the destruction of the Berlin Wall. Seems that Obama only wanted it for a backdrop for his speeches but the meaning of the real event escapes him.
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  TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  There have been Europeans in this forum that can't believe that people in the U.S. don't like him but I told them the was only in public office for less than 4 years and they were shocked.
  
  They definitely see him more as an image and celebrity than a politician. They get caught up in his speeches but don't know the real Obama.
  
  They'll catch on
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rebekahELLEposted 14 years ago
your titles are so biased. nothing is obvious, everyone?? you can make this claim? please...
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  TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Public opinion polls are at 50% for Obama's approval rating which is the lowest for him as well.
  
  Ok, there is a CORRELATION.
  
  And it's funny how all the Obama supporters always complain about people who point out his faults but NEVER give examples of how he is improving everything. They never try to defend him with facts lol
  
  Anyone notice that?
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  rebekahELLEposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  it is a complete waste of my time to talk politics on the HP political forums. I have no desire in getting involved but when I see this ridiculous title, I will leave a remark. you don't see what you don't look for.
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  TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's ok if you believe in his speeches. You are the minority and that is fine.
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  - 2nd part of stimulus pkg ($350 billion)
  - stopped torture @ Guantanamo & ordered its closure (later ordering release of torture memos)
  - reversed Bush's stopping of funding of family planning orgs overseas
  - allowed Calif to set its own emissions standards (another reversal of Bush's idiotic policy)
  - #3! ended Bush's restriction of funding stem-cell research
  - forced GM & Chrysler into bankruptcy
  - Cash for Clunkers, successful enough that it was extended
  - nominated Sonia Sotomayor to the SCOTUS
  - Ledbetter Fair Pay Act
  - $288 billion tax cut
  - kept Gates (Repub) and McChrystal (Repub)
  - ended HIV travel/immigration ban
  - health-care insurance reform (not finished, but he took it on & it looks like it will actually happen)
  
  Some of us don't buy into the pundits' lazy refrain that he hasn't done anything because they just don't want to recall anything.
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  egivposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Must be uncomfortable to respond to facts... it's easier to take shots at people using out-of-context quotes though...
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Your list is laughable, you really think these are things we should praise him for? This is why he will be a 1 term President, Jesus!
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You don't have to praise him for these things; it was a response to Tim Turner who said Obama hasn't done anything. As for the 1-term president matter, feel free to indulge in any fantasy you want.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  egiv ...hear the crowd applauding ...
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  TimTurnerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Is this seriously your list? For one, half of these haven't been finished and probably never will be.
  
  And of course you would be happy with the stimulus package since he "bought" our banking system and car companies. He didn't use the stimulus package money the way it should've.
  
  Plus, who said it worked?
  
  Ordering Guantano closed is one of many "promises" he has made but can't do. I can't believe you listed that. lol It's not closing anytime soon.
  
  Healthcare reform is not an accomplishment, even if it gets passed, you would have to review that in 10 or 20 years.
  
  Nominating Sotomayor is an accomplishment? How has she changed anything for the better?
  
  You are definitely stretching on these. Shows you can't find much on good ol' Obama, the clown.
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rebekahELLEposted 14 years ago
a helpful site to get the facts is politifact dot com.

it sorts out the facts and fiction.
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Poppa Bluesposted 14 years ago
Obama by the numbers!

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/scorebo … he_numbers
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
I wonder what would have happened in New York if they had taken the supposed Republican off the ballot? She got 6% of the vote, where do you think they would have gone?

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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh that was something. She endorsed the democrat and republicans still voted for her! I think the republican party is just a democratic party mini-me. They'd probably have gone to the democrats.
  
  I'm amazed the conservative got as much as he did considering he's not a politician and he had no party backing him up.
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Poppa Bluesposted 14 years ago
I predicted a long time ago, Obama will be a one term president and already you can see the disillusionment showing. 2010 will see the republicans retake control of congress as the economy continues to degrade. We will begin to see inflation and interest rates rise. Energy costs will be up, and up significantly if Obama is successful in passing cap and trade. Obama is sowing the seeds of his own destruction and unless he moves more to the middle and begins to work with republicans he'll be finished and his presidency will be nothing more than a footnote in history.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Surely not a footnote. He could go down as the worst president in US history. Another honor to put beside his mantelpiece next to the Nobel Peace Prize!!!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I heard he was up for the Heisman!
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah all those gym workouts put him up for the running for the football career that he'll eventually get around to!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He's got a "basketball Jones"
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh no way!
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You are not as underground as you think.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Really? Wow, that means so much to me.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know and that is what makes it so funny when you respond. You are too easy
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, do you have anymore political commentary about WHY a Republican won in Virginia?
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Cherry picking comments from the end of a conversation will set you up. I already answered that waaaaaay back. To save you the time you did not spend catching up I will repeat it. The better candidate won, period. Creigh Deeds led a horrible campaign and Bob McDonnell ran a very credible one. No party preference there. The independents made it happen again. In NJ, Corzine puulease. A horrible legislator and self promoter. Still it was close by about 3 or 4%
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Corzine spent 100 million dollars of his own money to try to buy the governorship again. It was this close!
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  Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  True that! And Obama campaigned heavily for him! I'd say in NJ Obama didn't help which is telling if you ask me!
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And as Tex said, it was a heavily blue state.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Remember the Don Imus ordeal and Corzine racing back to get his face in front of the camera. He wrecked his car and broke his leg trying to get that little bit of publicity. What a tool.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I know thats what you said, it was laughable then and its laughable now, 3 or 4% in a DEMOCRAT State is a HUGE VICTORY!! ITS ABOUT OBAMA, no one wants the BS anymore!! Its gonna be fun watching him leave the Whitehouse in disgrace and assuring Republican Presidents for the next 12 years!
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  What is it like to live in that head? Oh yeah dizzying with the spin you put on everything. Oh I forgot you don't vote so you have no party.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Whats it like? Hmmm, well I don't have to work anymore, I have plenty of money, and I get to laugh at you all day, its Goooooooooood!
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You must be very good at it because you certainly haven't done anything here. You are too easy. Predictably wrong, completely biased and truly irrelavent. I am afraid the last laugh is on you.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, thats it!
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Stick to Texas; you don't know Jersey. NJ has a history of switching parties for the governor every few years. And as I believe rhamson made clear, it's not as if Christie is one of the nutjob "conservatives."
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They'll have to come up with a candidate first.
  
  President Gingrich?
  
  President Huckabee?
  
  President Romney?
  
  President Palin?
  
  I'm sure Obama's getting nervous.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It could be President tree stump, but it won't be a 2nd Term President Obama!
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And the south will rise again
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm a Texan, we ain't Southern, you knew that, right?
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh so every year Texas leaves the union , did I get that right (too)
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, you didn't, but you should be used to that by now!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Geography is not taught in Texas's school system.
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  Eaglekiwiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
  I learned about the Mason Dixie line when I was in Steeler Country
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Forget trying to make a point with Texan. He is like a pie in the face. You think when he splats in your face that you may at least have something good to lick up it turns out to be shaving cream. Or for Texan so he can understand, you make a point and he comes back with a mindless empty retort.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And yet YOU seem to have nothing but personal attacks against him.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And you cherry pick conversations as well. Look back over the conversation before you pick a bone with me. You suffer the same selective ridicule as he does so it's no surprise you react the same way.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Did you say something?
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Boom. Hit another gutt. You are far to easy. Even a carom shot gets you.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The tickets get a lot stronger when you have their running mates on them:
  
  Gingrich/Robertson
  
  Huckabee/Limbaugh
  
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You left out TK/Tex
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  It really won't matter who the republicians put up, once Obama is finished destroying the economy even goofy would win against him!
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  http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/ … p-expands/
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  Yeah at least 1/2 of that growth is attributable to the cash for clunkers and mortgage credits and other government stimulus. If Obama manages to pass healthcare, and cap and trade, the damage to the economy will be startling!
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And? You do realize that's what stimulus is for, right?
  
  Not according to the CBO. If you want to talk about trillions of unrecoverable spending, look at the Bush record (specifically Iraq and the Medicare "reform").
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which is dwarfed by the spending due to Obama's reforms - all in the first year, not counting Health Reform if it ever passes.
  
  And what stimulus? Unemployment at over 9%, you mean that stimulus?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Almost 10%, The economy will tank after the first of the year, but the majority stimulus money will kick in around October of next year, just in time for an election. Democrats will still lose!
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But let's not forget Tex, Obama promised that he won't sign a Health Reform Bill that would put people in to more debt, right after he promised that he would save and create jobs!!!
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  prettydarkhorseposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  hi flightkeeper, he always promised things anyway, but after almost a year in the office, he hadnt done anything even for a starter...I always thought that you can only judged politician after his term, I might be wrong this time....
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Pretty, you should watch out, the loony liberals are out in force today and just might go berserk over your implication
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And the loopy wingnuts are out in even greater force. What, is Free Republic down or something?
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Loopy wingnuts describe the crazy liberals. Get your terms right.
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wingnut_%28politics%29
  Try again. Googling really isn't that difficult.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You're referencing namecalls?!?
  
  That's almost as bad as factchecking an SNL skit!!!
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  But not as bad as a wingnut thinking 'wingnut' applies to liberals!
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  Watch it Flightkeeper he's getting frustrated that means he's about to turn you in.
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's understandable sneak, they lost big time. We can be generous.
  
  Shhhhhhhh Livelonger, this day will pass.
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "big time"
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dem's got a black eye maybe now they'll come correct and act like real Americans and not europeans.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah. No matter how hard the WH tries to spin it as "unrelated"
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Oh that's right you spinheads are still spinning after losing. I forgot
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  Well yes he'll be the black equivalent of Jimmy Carter, and hence, the footnote.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I guess we will see what we will see. The party of no change may be what is in store for us. But I hardly think that it will be because of the issues but more based on Americas impatience. We have done it before when Bush the senior was slowly pulling us out of the last recession and it was not fast enough for us. Then Clinton took all the praise.
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starme77posted 14 years ago
Oboma is getting a kick out of seeing just how far he can go wtih the American people , he likes to spend money on beer parties in the whitehouse and going on Paris vacations , the dude isn't ever going to do anything worthwhile
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes we can't! Dope and Change!
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  Not true! He did issue an executive order not to go after medical marijuana users! That was worthwhile!
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Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago
Yes, NJ usually votes republican after they've had their fill of loony liberals.
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
"Some people really expected him to solve every problem in the world and create a utopia within 3 months."

Those people are called Democrats!
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sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago
Hey Tex! Looks like the clowns are out in force.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yup, but they are making points, hey Ron is Texas in the South?
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  ron.......
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are there magnolias there? Can anyone in the state correctly pronounce the word "nuclear"? Did it secede from the union once and threaten to do so again? Did someone from there develop a great way to cook beef brisket?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And we perfected the art of football, don't you wish you were a Texan? Yes, yes you do!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Houston will get a lesson this Sunday from the man who actually did perfect football
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Houston? You watch sellout football? Here is what your map showed me!
  2008-09: Florida over Oklahoma
  
  2008-09 Florida over Oklahoma
  
  2007-08: LSU over Ohio State
  
  2006-07: Florida over Ohio State
  
  2005-06: Texas over USC
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  2002?
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Since you have all the answers, what state is the most heavily recruited in the country?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Rhode Island?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Thats a good one
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A Texan! I haven't seen you in a while. How ya been dude?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Good, you?
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Doing pretty good. where ya been?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I went to Oklahoma to watch Texas beat up on the OK State Cowboys then went to New Orleans to do some drinking! Tired of Flying!
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Boy I would be tired of flying too. Wow! You had fun though?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yup! Had a hangover for two days though, that part sucked!
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  ewwww! that part does suck. thankfully I have yet to ever have a hangover...got drunk once but once a friend started throwing up I sobered up real fast...I can't stand hearing ppl throwing up..makes me want to puke too. and I'm a preschool teacher go figure
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I never had hangovers until I reached 40, then they stared. I don't drink very often now but when I do...
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  oooo how strange that they started after a certain age for yuo. and like you I don't drink unless it's something special like an anniversary or holiday something like that...Did you take pics whie you were in New Orleans or in Oklahoma?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No, not a picture taker.
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  *sniff sniff* I love taking pics lol
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Which was 45 years ago?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yup!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The South and the Southwest have perfected football, any other Questions?
  
  1998-Tennessee Volunteers 1999-Florida State Seminoles 2000-Oklahoma Sooners 2001-Miami Hurricanes 2002-Ohio State Buckeyes 2003-Louisiana State Tigers/Southern California Trojans 2004-Southern California Trojans 2005-Texas Longhorns 2006-Florida Gators 2007LSU 2008 Florida
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just one, if you're not Southern, why are you so proud of Southern college football teams? Are you one a them damned carpetbaggers?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm Texan, just proving who has the best football! We have high school teams that would beat Arizona or Arizona State, probably the Colts too!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That's cause your high school players are paid more than the Colts'
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They deserve it, they're gooooood!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Just love them BBQ'd ribs
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Wrong state
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  No it isn't - I used to live there
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  We BBQ everything!
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  Obviously
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Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago
Democrat ticket in 2012: Obama/Biden
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sneakorocksolidposted 14 years ago
Forget Bush Dem's you're in it up to your eyeballs. Who's going to pay for this stuff?
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Sneak, they're not going to forget Bush, the Community Organizer in charge won't have anything to show for his first 100 days in office. Other than putting our future generations into debt.
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livelongerposted 14 years ago
If there was a referendum on Obama, it would have to be NY-23, which tends to vote Republican, and that had Palin, Limbaugh and plenty of out-of-state money plumping for the "real conservative" Hoffman.

What explains his loss? (i.e. start spinning)
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  He was unknown until about 30 days ago! Thats not spin its fact, and still he managed to get 44% of the vote!
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Terrific spinning! This is a GOP district, that has voted conservative for decades, and that is replacing a Republican who joined Obama's cabinet (what?!).
  Explain why he ONLY won 44% of the vote...
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  You said it, Republican. He was not the Republican candidate, did that fact escape you?
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Are you saying that NY-23 just votes in RINOs?
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  The repub candidate endorsed a democrat.
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, the RINO endorsed the Democrat. And the "true conservative" lost. What does that say about NY-23's voting preferences?
  
  And what does it say that NJ & VA voted in center-right "RINOs" and not Palin- and Limbaugh-backed populists?
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Dizzy aint ya? Spiiiiiiiiin!
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That says more about the republicans than anything else.
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  Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes keep in mind 6% voted for someone that was no longer in the race! Had those votes gone to the conservative, he would be the winner!
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  And if pigs had wings.....
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Then NJ/Virginia would have a Democrat Governor!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm saying 6 % of the voters voted for a Republican who had dropped out of the race and endorsed a Democrat. I have no Idea what voters in NY do, but they elected Bloomberg as mayor of NYC and he is a Republican in name only!
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, that tends to happen in every election. So even the RINO's endorsement of a Dem didn't have an effect on this 6%.
  
  Yeah, a lot of those RINOs are getting elected - certainly more than the "true conservatives", right?
  
  Palin/Beck 2012!
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure where you get the RINO term for NJ/Virginia governors but whatever. Wingnut is used for both extreme viewpoints, just because Liberals resort to namecalling more often than conservatives is just more proof of their ineffectiveness!
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  livelongerposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  They're center-right and not involved in the cultural revolt obsessions of Palin and her cohort of populists.
  
  Wingnut = term for conservatives
  Moonbat = term for liberals
  Really, Googling is NOT that hard.
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  A Texanposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Must suck to be wrong that often
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  Flightkeeperposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yes Tex, that's spin. Concentrate on this minor district vote instead of the two state governorships that the loony liberals lost, especially in NJ, a state that is so blue and where Corzine spent 100 million dollars and where the Great Organizer stumped for him.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  A traitor.
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Flightkeeperposted 14 years ago
You crazy liberals have been fun. Bye!
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
"is used in United States politics as a political epithet referring to a person who holds extreme political views. According to Merriam-Webster, it is analogous with the word "radical."[1] In American politics, the term is more often aimed at members of the political right than those of the political left.[2]"

From your own source

"the term is more often aimed at members of the political right than those of the political left.[2]"

Does it say its never used to describe the Left? Noooooooooo, it doesn't!
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
Livelonger must be googling
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A Texanposted 14 years ago
(crickets)
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rhamsonposted 14 years ago
Watch it TK someone else is listening too.
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  tksenseiposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  "Watch it"?
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Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years ago
gotta go, there's a skunk in our yard and it's lunch time.
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Crazdwriterposted 14 years ago
RON!!! another dude I haven't seen in a long time!! Heya Ron
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Hello Darling....Nice ta' seeya'...............IT"S BEEN A LONG TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME.
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It seriously has been a long time...where ya been? I've missed reading your comments and chatting with you on here
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Uhh, you said the same thing to me last week. I really am never gone all that long. (Much to Tex's chagrin)
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  Crazdwriterposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I did? wow yea my memory sucks! lol But hey as long as I run into you Ron I'm happy.
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AEvansposted 14 years ago
Oh My goodness now I see why I try to avoid these forums but I do enjoy reading everyone's thoughts. **sigh**
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  drej2522posted 14 years agoin reply to this
  It's for entertainment, of course!!
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  AEvansposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  That is what I believe, lololo
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Jawa Lunkposted 14 years ago
Why call them "Obama Speeches"? We all know they don't write their own speeches.....why should we pretend?

I watched an interview on HNN with Obama's main speech writer, during the report they showed her giving Obama his speech so he could go over it and practice it before he went on...LOL
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rhamsonposted 14 years ago
You are both wrong they are politicians and their positions and views are for sale. Pick one, any one.
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Ralph Deedsposted 14 years ago
Rhamson:The fact remains that with the current healthcare system we have there will be a breakdown and it will be impossible to afford very shortly and there is only one organization that can offer a solution. If you wait too long there will be no system you will be able to afford. Other countries have realized this, made the decision and moved on.

Deeds: Very true.
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  Poppa Bluesposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  I disagree. The present bill does nothing to lower cost. If you look at MA and their health care plan, the costs are rising faster than the national average.
  
  The present bill also contains a mandate to buy insurance. Clearly this is unconstitutional.
  
  As ledefensetech said, we all have a right to pursue happiness, it's not guaranteed. If you choose not to buy health insurance until you get sick and then you can't get it, well that was your choice wasn't it? That's what made you happy at the time, right?
  
  If you really want to insure everybody, the best way is to make everyone in the country wealthy and the best way to do that is not to tax labor, risk, investment and savings and keep government small and regulation to a minimum.
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  rhamsonposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  If you wish to cite select failures then I guess you are correct. But if you look to the north and look to the east your argument becomes mute.
  
  Your thinking that by overturning the system with making everybody wealthy through the means you suggest is a pipe dream. Once again power to the individual through the means you express is doomed to fail because just like every other entrepeneur out there in your utopian freedom you will have to find a particular trick or method to succeed. I am sorry but I don't wish to leave my healthcare and my childrens healthcare up to chance.
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Ralph Deedsposted 14 years ago
A "californicated" GOP endangers the nation!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/09/opini … ef=opinion
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  ledefensetechposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Now I understand. You get all of your "wisdom" from Krugman. You and he are aware, I'm sure, that California has gone broke, right? The high tax has turned an economy that is larger than most nations in the world into one on the brink of collapse.
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  Madame Xposted 14 years agoin reply to this
  Yep. Thanks to the democrat legislature
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garynewposted 14 years ago
Genau! That's German for exactly, by the way.
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