I have nothing against Obama personally. He seems like a nice guy and sincere in his beliefs. That said I'm strongly opposed to just about everything he's done so far as President and I'm frightened for my future and the future of our country. Obama's policies restrict individual freedom, and place this country in an extremely weak economic position which could threaten the security of our nation! I predict he will be a one term President.
Very, very well said, Poppa. I completely agree with you, 100%, all the way.
Do I hate Obama? No. Hate is a very strong word. Did I vote for him? No. I think we had an extremely weak pool of candidates for this election, and we simply voted in the best of the worst. That said, I doubt he would have won if he wasn't black.
Big deal, I am tired of people who hate Obama. He is going to be president until 2012, so maybe you should all go live in South America for a few more years if you are so mad. Today me and several friends were saying some of you might like Obama a bit more if you had to live in a true oppressive country like Afghanistan. I was no fan of Bush, but I never opened silly threads like this one. So deep!
Actually many of us Americans love him and are not tired of it. We are tired of the people who disparage him. Obama is the best thing that happened to the US in 2008, and those opposed to him are throwing the fits.
I am sorry Brenda I was not irritated with you. Actually some Australians and Europeans give Obama more respect then my own countrymen. I just have grown disenchanted with the disrespect towards the president here.
Obama is striving to pass things I support. Harvey, I find many of your stances offensive and full of venom. I have read your hubs about how you think Michael Jackson is a racist, and you even emailed me about it. I did not reply to you because I think it is a weird thing to even be wondering about at this point.
People who did not like Bush had valid reasons, such as his starting expensive wars overseas. Obama, on the other hand, is trying to improve equality for Americans with health care reform. I believe in this issue most passionately, and anyone who says America is fine with out health care reform is ignorant of our history. America has continually improved and changed through the years. If we did not we would still allow slavery and sweat shops.
Actually no it is not. It is full of truth. You said America does not need to improve, but all of our great activists and presidents would not agree with you. Every great president from Lincoln to Roosevelt to Kennedy talked about changing and improving America. As we grow we learn. To remain stagnant is to remain a backwater, and America is not that!
Not sure where she said "Bush haters are deep thinkers", imadork. I like Obama, support him fully. If you start a thread like this, expect us Obama supporters to trickle in. And don't put words in people's mouths.
First of all...don't tell me what I can say. You see...this is a free country. Secondly, she just proved my assumption by not denying she is a Bush hater...in fact she proved my point. I don't care if Obama supporters come in, that is what I want.
I am not a Bush hater and my language is respectful and pithy. You are using words like hater, so think again. You have not even noticed that most great presidents and activists in our history have talked about how we change America. America is not still into slavery and buggies. I just find it amusing when people believe America has never tried to improve herself.
Lady, you pass judgment on everyone who disagrees with you, then you act all girly when someone gets in your face. You have a history of over 3000 forum posts; you may want to think twice about attracting further attention from Team HubPages unless your last name is Deeds.
You are rude and I stand by everything I say. I never attack anyone, and even Texan has admitted I play nicer than several of you. I am not acting girly, and yes TK is targeting me. I stand by what I have written here and I have just wrote an email to Hubpages asking them to close this thread.
Ignore the Doggietroll and it will go away. You are mistaken if you think it will ever engage in an actual discussion with you. Quit answering it and it will leave with it's tail between it's legs I assure you.
I have not misused words. I have a strong vocabulary and I know the meaning of the words I use. You like to badger me into admitting I am wrong all the time, and to be quite frank I am tired of it. I could just ignore you as others suggest I do, but then it makes me feel as if I cannot freely participate on this forum. Even when I ignore you you continue to quote my posts and ask incessant questions. You continuously tell me I am illogical, and that I am wrong. To me that is not disagreeing on the issue, but attacking a person. I find it odd that no one ever tells you to stop with these antics, but really you need to stop. Attacking people is not the way to win people to your side you know.
Yes and this is correct usage. Get over yourself Tk. I tried to ignore you in the past, and one day you quoted me about five or six times. You even continued to quote me hours after I left a particular thread. What it boils down to is you try to belittle and badger anyone that does not agree with you. At this point who cares what you think. I really do not think much of someone who does what you do.
Obama hasn't sent us to war (causing american deaths), or issued signing statements, or completely crippled our economy, or tested checks and balances to their absolute limits. Stop whining, and posting this crap. You're bitter you're not in power any more. It's only been 200 days. SHUT UP ALREADY, WE DON'T CARE.
Wow, really? Is that really how you and your friends think? If someone complained because you fed them rotten food would you tell them they'd like it better if they had eaten dirt and used needles sometime before? Does that make sense even to you?
And, have YOU ever lived in a "truly oppressive country?"
Is this a new tactic for those who despise Obama, comparing Obama to rotten food. I find that offensive and odd indeed. You are the second Obama opponent to bring up the rotten food analogy, which is offensive and odd.
My analogy has much more pertinence than yours. The people that complain that Obama is oppressive really take their freedom in the US for granted. The fact that the president has listened to the opposition is proof of that. I do not have to live in oppressive country to know that I have the freedom here that they do not. The rotten food analogy is offensive towards anyone, and just weird.
Hey man, don't talk down to her, talk to her like a child, offend her dignity, oppress her, prevent her from speaking her mind, be mean to her because she's a girl, or forget that she is really, really smart and exceptionally well educated!
He says he wants to "fundamentally change America". I believe that America is just fine. Look at our history. We are a relatively young country (about 230 years old), Yet we are the most powerful country in the world. So for what reason do we need to change?
That's true .A new president always wants to have his own idea about changing his coutry under his control to reveal his ability.But he didn't consider the realist situation.All of the American will have a good life and your country will keep the position of the king of the world .It's not neccessary for him to change it but need to change it better .Our mission is for the peace life .Admiring your idea .Maybe you can have a try to response your own opinion.
Don't you think the Romans said that when things were going well? Or maybe the British at the height of their empire? Maybe YOU should read up on some history. Three years ago leading economist thought that our economy was so good and stable that it was basically impossible that we would have a, uhm, GIANT RECESSION. We need to change to adapt and stay ahead. We are not the best in everything (i.e. healthcare).
I wrote: And I'm a recovering alcoholic and you're a recovering alcoholic. And Tantrum's one of your favorite hubbers and Tantrum's one of my favorite hubbers. It just goes on and on...
imadork: Tantrum was one of my favorite hubbers cuz I thought he/she was a girl. Alas, he/she is a male and I am no longer a big fan of his scrapbooks.
Tantrum: That's a very shallow comment !! So if I have a pair of tits , I'm a great hubber. If not I'm s°°t. I didn't know breast thinkers were better than brain thinkers. Or that some good writers use their breasts to write lol Maybe I'll go and get a pair. Would you like me then ? Not that I care, really ,realizing you're such a hollow vessel. Nothing for me in there big_smile You e-mailed me, remember ?. And I offered you help. But as I see that doesn't count, as i'm not a chick. sad thank you !
That was really uncalled for, Wordscribe is a really good person and didn't deserve to be called that. If you are a man at all you will at least say you are sorry for that. Like were you brought up to speak to a woman like that ?
Dork you actually seem an ok guy but man do me a favour, take back what you said to Wordscribe. It don't bother me what you call me but calling her that was over the top. Waitttttt ok, don't reply right away ok, take a second to think because you know I am right, jeeez man just a simple sorry. Would you like someone calling a female member of yer family that, if so then just ignore me !
I know you don't but I also know you are a good writer and hubber, much better than half these a-holes that are milking you, so log off and sober up before you get banned. I have been there, it's ok now with the drink in you. Just log off !
Dude, haven't you figured out that nobody's talking politics in here anymore yet? The gloves are off, it's a bitch-talking free for all now, so unless you wanna call someone a motherfucker or forum slap somebody, I'd try another thread.
well I was an obama supporter and voter and at the very least am happy to see that the country was able to elect someone outside of the normal presidential mold.
BUT...Its already well past TRYING time..obama shouldnt be trying anything anymore, it should be doing time, dems control the house, what the hell is he (or we) waiting for.
Its def time that everybody started to get very critical, we are already locked into Iraq and afghanistan for the rest of his term, no concrete health care reform has materialized, Gitmo is still running etc....
he has actually completed 34 of his 500+ campaign promises..so he is doing something, but americans def need to avoid any kind of idol worship and keep a critical eye and a loud voice towards his administrations actions
Bush made some mistakes. He went to war in Iraq and shouldn't have. He spent more money then we had in revenues. He passed the Patriot Act, which Obama also voted FOR, and he skirted the law of the land with his signing statements, however, this nation was kept safe and prospered under his administration. The economic meltdown can't be entirely placed in the lap of Bush. Even though Bush left Obama a 1/2 billion in debt, Obama has trippled that and under his budget in 8 years our national debt will rise to 85% of gdp, and that does not include the unfunded liabilities of social security, medicare, and medicaid which amounts to 60 trillion dollars!!! All this and we haven't even included national health care which is estimated to cost one trillion dollars and the loss of 5.2 million jobs!
Do I agree with Obama's positions on a variety of issues? Heck no! Do I respect him as an intelligent, accomplished person who now happens to have one of the world's toughest jobs? Regardless of how I think he's doing his job, yes, I do respect him. Given the chance, would I like to take him on in basketball or let my kids have a play date with his kids? Absolutely. Sounds like fun.
So even if I didn't vote for Obama, and even if I don't agree with lots of his policies, I don't see any reason to hate the guy.
oh yeah, the nation prospered under his administration. even when we were all paying four bucks for a gallon of gasoline. did you have any friends working for enron? do you own real property? if so, did you watch your property taxes go thru the roof? only to watch your property value crater before the moron left office.
it's not that he made "some mistakes" as you state. it's that he was born a mistake and everything he's ever done has been a mistake.
he was, is, and will remain the classic example of the reason for birth control.
here, start with this one first: american dynasty by k. phillips. maybe give yourself a bit of information on the sick and twisted history of the bush family. then finish up with crossing the rubicon by m. ruppert. maybe give yourself a bit of information on the sick and twisted bush family's connection to world domination.
when you finish up with those, let me know. i've got about six more suggestions for you to read. then, after those, we'll have a serious discussion about being "uninformed"
I'm sure they are good books and I look forward to reading them, however in spite of the Bush family's ties to oil, I doubt they alone could manipulate the price of gas, the market is much bigger than that! Even Opec has limited influence in manipulating prices!
As for the mortgage collapse, well the seed of that crisis were sown in the Carter and Clinton administration. If Bush had any part in that it all he certainly could not be blamed entirely for it!
Hey, guys. This thread was created by a drunk guy whose wife left him who wanted to wade in degradation. Took cue from all the STUPID 'fighting' some call political arguments and debate on here these days. I'd prefer just to call it stupid, actually.
Amazing its gone on for mega pages...but then it isn't so amazing.
His personal life has no bearing on the discussion here, at least not the one I am engaged in. The nation is clearly polarized, perhaps, more partisan then ever before. We were a nation weary with Bush's style and his war before the economy tanked. We all wanted "change" and we all "hoped" for a brighter future and we all wanted Obama to deliver on those promises. No one ever considered for a moment that Obama might actually make things worse! Well I believe he is on course to do just that! Though McCain and Palin might not have been the best choice for America, we could have done worse and perhaps we have.
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