Why do so many Americans hate America? And if they hate it so much why don't the

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   Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago

   Pot....kettle     

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   Readmikenowposted 5 years ago

   Another malcontent from a foreign country leaves our forum because they don't like to be challenged when people from the United States challenge them. 
   
   I think there is a song from the rock group Queen that says it best...
   
   "Are you happy, are you satisfied?
   How long can you stand the heat?
   Out of the doorway the bullets rip
   To the sound of the beat
   Another one bites the dust
   Another one bites the dust
   And another one gone, and another one gone
   Another one bites the dust"

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   Live to Learnposted 5 years ago

   A recurring theme. A liberal steps up to regal the world with their incomplete thought process; if they aren't fawned over, they throw a tantrum, insult any in earshot and stomp off.
   
   I've got kids who used to be that way. They were prepubescent,at the time. They grew out of it.

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      Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      

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         PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         This thread has become a dark comedy.with all the usual suspects providing the groans,

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            Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Just my opinion, but this conversation was not all that funny.   I can assume you have the same opinion in regard to American could come to the point of gassing children or maybe you just don't have the nerve to question such a view?   It could be you would rather add a vague insult?  Not sure why you commented?  You certainly added nothing to the subject, your opinion seems odd and insulting. This seems dark, and even a bit funny?

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               Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               I don't know how many people on this thread are like me.
               
               I WOULD NEVER go onto a thread by another country such as Russia, China, Japan, England, etc. and feel I had the right to tell them their government is awful and if they don't believe what I, as an American, tell them about their country, and their leaders, THEY are stupid and ignorant. 
               
               To then turn around and be upset that people from a foreign country disagree with what you are saying about your country takes special kind of "Chutzpah."
               
               So, the old saying of "Respect breeds respect but disrespect breeds anger" is evident.

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               PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               To those of us watching our fellow citizens defend the holding of children in deplorable and illegal conditions for weeks on end, then watch those same citizens get all huffy when our country is, accurately, accused of running concentration camps....
               
               Sorry. but watching your exaggerated indignation is like watching a puffed up buffoon in a dark comedy.
               
               No, gassing people isn't runny. Neither is holding children in horrible conditions. Watching you and others defend them is sickening. But your puffed up indignation? I can only groan at that, the way one groans at a terrible joke.
               
               I am sorry if you find it insulting. I am insulted daily by a president who thinks we're stupid enough to believe his lies and callous enough to support his hideous and inhumane border policies.

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                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Trump supporters are simply enablers, Pretty. They'll go to great lengths to defend his criminal and immoral actions much like those who ignored the death camps in Germany. My dad was one of those soldiers who forced the local citizens to see for themselves the cruelty and mass execution of human beings they pretended were not happening.
                  
                  
                  It's disgusting to me to see so-called patriotic Americans act in much the same manner by their pretending things are on the up and up with this cretin in the Oval Office.

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                     Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Brilliant analogy Randy.  My father earned two purple hearts a silver and bronze start in World War II.  My uncle was killed at the Battle of the Bulge.
                     
                     So, what does it matter? 
                     
                     Your ignorance on what is happening at the southern border is evident in your reply. 
                     
                     I have yet to meet a liberal who impressed me with their intelligence or knowledge...and the streak continues.

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                        Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        You're the one defending a criminal, Mike. And I'm not at all impressed with your intelligence either. You apparently can't tell a cretin from a POTUS...

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                           Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           Randy, this is nasty. Trump has not been charged with any crime. Yes, it is very clear you disapprove of the president. You just can't except that there are many Americans that do support the president.

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                              Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              Yes, 40% of Americans are racist, Shar. We already knew that...

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                                 Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 Not sure where you got your figures? CNN? maybe you should check out the numbers on people of color that have procured jobs under Trump's economy. Facts are so tedious...

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                                    Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    I got the figures from looking at those who voted for the criminal, Shar. His base....

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                                       Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       Ha Ha!

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                  Readmikenowposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  PP, I also find your ignorance of the facts on what is happening on our southern border disgusting.
                  
                  I expect nothing less from a liberal.  You never disappoint.

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                     PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Aw, Mike, what, specifically, have I said about the southern border that is inaccurate?
                     
                     And, no need to paint all liberals with my views. We don't all think alike.

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                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  "To those of us watching our fellow citizens defend the holding of children in deplorable and illegal conditions for weeks on end, then watch those same citizens get all huffy when our country is, accurately, accused of running concentration camps...."
                  
                  I have not denied the problems at the border or the fact that our congress was slow to do anything about the problems that have occurred at the border.   I think anyone that has followed my comments on the subject could attest.  And yes, I "got huffy" when a user here made the comment that she felt America were capable of gassing children.
                  
                  "Sorry. but watching your exaggerated indignation is like watching a puffed up buffoon in a dark comedy."
                  
                  It was not exaggerated, I was sickened by the comment, and you know what so should have ou been. 
                  
                  "I am sorry if you find it insulting. I am insulted daily by a president who thinks we're stupid enough to believe his lies and callous enough to support his hideous and inhumane border policies."
                  
                  I don't find it insulting reading insults in regard to the president. What I mind is you assuming I mind...

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                  Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  You know what.. I could care less what you think of the conversation in regards to the border facilities. And you know why because it is well apparent you did not read a word of the opinions I have posted in regard to the border facilities.
                  
                  And yes I was sickened by anyone making a statement that indicated America would gas children.  I had the guts to speak up, I noted you didn't? That said a lot about you... Yeah, it does. You pipe here and there with your "oh I hate Trump, and I so applaud about how Trump is treating migrants at our borders"...  It's very apparent you add nothing of any value to a conversation. Just as you have accused me of "puffed up indignation". "Read your comments most just give explanations of all about your opinions on how much you dislike Trump. Your morel indignation is thick in all your comment. What you are is a liberal, no more no less... It clear you dislike conservatives, same back at you.

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                     PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     Well, Sharlee, it seems I got to you. Remember, all I did was negatively  comment on your indignation about a person from another country suggesting that the U.S. could be capable of gassing children.
                     
                     Let's think about this. Three years ago, if anyone had suggested to me that the United States would be capable of holding people who are seeking asylum in cages without adequate food, water, bedding, and basic cleanliness, I would have dismissed them. But, look, we are doing precisely that.
                     
                     Three years ago, if anyone had suggested that an American president would cater to murdering dictators while dissing our allies to the point of believing Vladimir Putin over his own intelligence professionals, I would have laughed at them, but our president has done precisely those things.
                     
                     Three years ago, if someone had suggested that white nationalists would publicly state that they feel emboldened by our president , then openly march our streets with torches and weapons, and our president would refer to them as "fine people," I would have said they were crazy. But they did precisely that and he said precisely  that.
                     
                     Three years ago, if anyone would have suggested those things would happen--and so, so much more--and some 40+% of my fellow Americans would continue to defend and support that president, I would have scoffed. But that is precisely what is happening.
                     
                     Yet, here you are, oh so indignant about a person suggesting the U.S. might do even worse than they already have. From where I sit, I no longer know what boundaries this president would have to cross for a Trump supporter to abandon their allegiance to him.
                     
                     Last time I checked, there had been seven deaths of children in our government's care in less than two years. That compares to one in over ten years prior. Apparently, that's not enough.
                     
                     Can you blame those of us who have found this man to be of unacceptable character from day one, and have watched him be even worse than we imagined....can you blame us for wondering what would a Trump supporters boundary finally be?
                     
                     I LOL'd at your statement that I am a liberal, no more, no less and it is clear I don't like conservatives. I am married to a conservative.. A principled man who was a registered Republican his entire life, until he watched his party prostrate themselves to gain favor with a lying, cowardly con man.
                     
                     That's all I'm going to say tonight.

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                        Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Had someone told me three years ago anyone attempting to address our unsustainable lack of immigration policy enforcement would be smeared, I'd have believed it. Neither party was willing to tackle the problem without it being forced upon them.
                        
                        Had they told me one side would refuse funds to help alleviate this crisis I'd have believed it. Had they told me that side would then blame others for their lack of action, I'd have believed it.
                        
                        Think about it. It's par for the course. Streets filled with the homeless. Feces ridden streets. A pittance of available funds are dedicated to alleviating human suffering in some very high profile liberal strongholds. If you don't really care about people, it is easy to forgo consideration of how to incorporate more in need into existing social programs.
                        
                        Had someone told me American citizens would openly defend policies which do not adequately protect all involved, I'd have believed it. Had someone told me one side would attempt to use racism and identity politics to advance their cause, I'd have believed it.
                        
                        Had someone told me social media mobs would cause reality and reason to bend and one side would revel in the madness, I'd have believed it. Had someone told me that would devolve into what we are dealing with today, I'd have believed it.
                        
                        Had someone told me fringe elements on the left would be protected by the left, fringe elements on the right not protected by the right, but then labeled right, I'd have believed it.
                        
                        I'll be honest. I would never have believed women as a group would be such a casualty of this madness.
                        
                        Had someone told me so many would ignore action, in order to justify taking words out of context, redefine words in order to demonize...turn their backs on reason because of an emotional reaction to a jackass I'd have thought we were too mature for such. I have been educated and now believe it.

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                           Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           Well said...

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                        Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Obama built the facilities. Yes, they are now very crowded and our congress should be handling the problems. Which is well appearance they are making an attempt to alleviate the overcrowding? There is no evidence that anyone is not being provided with water, food, shelter as well as health care.
                        
                        If you will do just a bit of research you will find no other president has put such stringent sanctions on Russia. Not to mention arming Ukraine.
                        https://www.npr.org/2018/07/20/63065937 … -on-russia
                        
                        The President in no respect encourages White nationalist. It is unfortunate you feel he has.
                        
                        Yes, there are many that support the President. I support his agenda, as well as his job performance.  Just my opinion.
                        
                        "Yet, here you are, oh so indignant about a person suggesting the U.S. might do even worse than they already have. From where I sit, I no longer know what boundaries this president would have to cross for a Trump supporter to abandon their allegiance to him."
                        
                        Sad to see you feel that way about Americans that support the president. I could not imagine our government would ever permit any atrocities on any human being. I could not have ever imagined we would turn our backs on Syria under the Obama ad. But we did, and over 500 thousand were killed. They pleaded for America's help. But their cries went unheard.  This discussed me... This made me ashamed of America. We stood by and witnessed genocide.
                        
                        "Last time I checked, there had been seven deaths of children in our government's care in less than two years. That compares to one in over ten years prior. Apparently, that's not enough." Please get the facts in regards to the death of the six children ht were apprehended at the border.
                        https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-mi … story.html
                        
                        It is your prerogative to dislike the president's demeanor, his character. He certainly could be more diplomatic, and careful of how he presents himself.  He is ill-spoken and I find him unfiltered.  However, I voted for him due to his transparency, and the fact that he was a political outsider. Just ready to see our Government for what it really is. And boy have I got my money's worth...  This "con man" has opened the doors wide so all can see what has and is still going on.
                        
                        
                        
                        I am giving you the last word. It's apparent you need it more than I do...

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                           Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           "This discussed me'"   

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                              Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              Not sure what facts discuss you? The Obama red line BS or the fact that the children that died at our borders were not what some are presenting? Or the fact that I think the president is doing a good job.
                              
                              I fully realize your views on Trump, respect mine on Obama, and the problem that have occurred at the border.  I deal in facts not emotion that has been ginned up by a bias media.
                              
                              Don't you think some of your views are offensive to me? It's remarkable how you can't see others have very different viewpoints than you.

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   Live to Learnposted 5 years ago

   I vote everyone reset and commit to being respectful and civil.  This thread has gotten very negative.  I apologize for my part at bristling when the person I was speaking to became abusive and i then became less than civil.

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      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Do you really think that is possible?  Maybe it would just be wiser not to respond to the comments of some users?

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         Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         No.  It isn't possible.  Neither is not responding, in many cases.
         
         My bad.

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   Randy Godwinposted 5 years ago

   The shooting in California has all of the earmarks of another white supremist shooting. Those killed were a 6 year old, a 13 year old, and a 20 something year old. I don't know but they seem to be of Hispanic origin. Thanks a lot, Trump...

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      Sharlee01posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, naturally Trump was involved.  This kind of crazy is catchy, why say something like that Liberals gobble this kind of stuff up. No facts, just a big rush of emotion. And yeah on the backs of these poor families that lost loved ones...  Instead of prayers let's stir up the rhetoric, and feed the hungry libs...I bit sick Randy.

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      GA Andersonposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Oh, buggers Randy. Is that alI you have?
      
      A tragedy by a nutcase and you want to tie age and ethnicity to it?
      
      Would it matter if the victims were all adults, would you have the same comment?
      
      What if the victims were all white, what would you say then?
      
      Even worst, what if the shooter was a white supremacist, would you feel like an oracle for the prescience of your quip?
      
      Your comment is cheap and cold.
      
      GA

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