I will seek the proper forum to address it, and let the people pay for it, hoping it will givwe them a lesson and wouldnt do it to anybody.....
well, revenge is a strong word, in seeking revenge one comes close to being on the same level and do 2 wrongs make a right? I would say I don't seek revenge, but more set out to right the wrong against me in a reasonable fashion. Just walking away and turning the other cheek is why this country is in such horrible shape, people should speak up for themselves, but in a less angry way
Some time ago I was walking with my brother and we met a man who nodded to us and I saluted back. My brother looked at me surprised and said,"Do you still talk to that man?" And I said, "Well yes, why not?" My brother grew serious and replied,"Have you forgotten the harm and the worry he has caused you, you told me so yourself, once." And I said, "Oh, I have forgotten all about it".
This is the way I usually react when people do me wrong. Forgive and forget, that's my motto. And this in my opinion is a primary ingredient for a peaceful and healthy existence.
Negative thoughts which bring me 'down' and make me sour have no place in my mind and heart - - or at least I strive to clear them away.
This is a difficult one to explain.
I don't seek revenge. That belongs to the Lord.
But there are two different interpretations of "turning the other cheek".
It can mean simply not taking vengeance.
I think it's totally possible to turn the other cheek while still seeking and/or demanding justice, not revenge.
Interesting how jeebus meant "keep fighting," when he said "turn the other cheek." LOLOLOL
And interesting also is your pet name for Jesus (I assume you meant Jesus anyway). Do you not take Him seriously?
There are different ways to "fight" also.
You have much to learn, perhaps?
There's an interesting tidbit of history about how the Roman soldiers smote people on one cheek, and what the response to that smiting meant by turning the other cheek. It rings true to me. Maybe others can bring you up to speed on that. I'm actually on my way to .... (gasp) doing some things needed around the house.
I do not think I have much to learn from such as yourself. I have no troubling understanding what "turn the other cheek," means.
You on the other hand seem to think it was said by Jeebus and means "keep on fighting."
No doubt you can invent quite a few Roman soldier stories to back that up.
You have an awful lot to learn. I can teach you how badly you have misunderstood Jesus' message of peace and non-conflict if you like.
Of course I do not take Jeebus seriously. People like you speak for jeebus, and are therefore not worth taking serious.
You are the type who cannot keep their ridiculous beliefs out of any conversation.
Jesus is an ideal not an actual person.
I guess the subtle difference escapes you . . .
I suspect I am just not open minded enough.
Ok. Do you think it possible to seek justice without hating the person over whom you seek that justice? For myself, if someone wrongs me in whatever way I believe to be "wrong", then I am entitled to legal redress, if legally possible. To involve myself with hating them will only defeat my purpose to think clearly enough to "win my case".
So, on one hand I am seeking justice and on the other I have turned the other cheek.
I have no problem with "justice". But revenge will only bring more trouble.
Just my opinion
Justice is revenge disguised by mankind's own arrogance.
To 'hate' is too strong of description, depending what is considered to be the injustice. You might not like the action(injustice) against you, but doesn't warrant 'hatred' for that person.
To 'hate' another person requires you put aside all other rational feelings and dwell on what the injustice which happened, and doing that....is only detrimental to your own life via unhealthy thoughts, stress and a flood of other emotional, such as confusion.
In your opinion. Sometimes to let an injustice "go by" is a bigger injustice.
Arrogance originates with the perpetrator believing he is somehow "entitled" to perpetrated the offending event. Therefore, I believe your premise may be a little flawed about justice being a form of arrogance.
Hate is a real issue in most of these kinds of events, but is really a secondary issue, and has no real relevance to the root of the issue. Therefore, it seems more intelligent and rational to stick to the original issue. Hate is a cop out. It serves no purpose. Aren't we at war because of this? When will the real issues be addressed when hate is hot in every body's mouth?
Further, to simply turn the other cheek and *assume* the offender will "repent" is naivete at its best, to me. To allow another person to continue to perpetrate injustices is called ENABLING. That persons feels justified because no one is stopping him and he has the go ahead to continue.
To stop injustice is not arrogance to me. It's about stopping the enabling of wrongful entitlement to continue perpetrating injustices.
Ah well - If you are able to distinguish between the two then you are a better person than I.
But that is not what the question was. It was "do you turn the other cheek or do you seek revenge."
One man's justice is another man's revenge - neither of which involve "turning the other cheek."
Neither one. I deal with it head on in a way appropriate to the injustice. Then let it go.
Rick I have a slight variation of your question.
I would change your question from When You Suffer An Injustice**** How Do You Respond, do you turn the other cheek or do you seek revenge?
When You Suffer An Injustice**** Do you Respond? or React?
I can only speak from personal experience, having contemplated this subject and although at first glance they appear to mean the same, I think these two words are worlds apart.
My findings? When a human being 'reacts' to an Injustice it's like a fight or flight animalistic instinct triggers inside of us, or we deal with it in our heads, the actions that follow our thought process in a state of reacting are often, destructive.
When a human being 'responds' to an Injustice, an awareness of the natural urge is acknowledged, therefore, we have a handle on something that otherwise has a free reign, once we have a handle on that and take it from head space to heart space where there is no room for the ego to play, the actions that follow as a result of responding are often, peaceful.
We always have a choice. My choice is to respond.
I'm surprised that it took this many posts to see the word 'ego' come into play which is more what injustice and revenge are about. Ego is power and control and the urge is to make it bigger and protect it sometimes overlooking what the injustice really is. responding to a perceived injustice is about taking responsibility and making the appropriate choices, which sometimes is nothing. my dad used to always say, 'if you can change the situation, change it, if not, forget it and move on.'
I turn the other cheek. soemetimes its hard,(like, family?) and when I suffer injustice after injustice at the hands of the smame person, I think..its thier loss...and I walk away...
when I love soemone. I love them(not necissarily romantic love) thats it. They cant make me unlove them. I might not trust them, I might not got to them for help, but if they need me, im here.
It depends on the injustice.
If it's something I know I will have no control over, I let it go. If it's something I do have control over yet it would be rendered pointless to the transgressor, I turn the other cheek. He will eventually reap what he sows, or better, he learns from his error and changes his ways.
If the transgressor consistently and willingly continues his injustice without any intention to change and enjoys my suffering from it, I kick his ass.
Good one, Go Writer.
I have the patience at times to turn the other cheek, or ignore it, or let time pass. At other times I don't have the patience for that and speak out. The question I always ask is, "Why? Why do you want to do something or say something that is so unfair? Doesn't your own sense of right and wrong get back to you from behind and thump your head?"
I do not seek revenge. I deal with it when it happens. If I lose, I cop it OK.
It all depends. Currently I am in a situation where I have suffered one injustice after another, but I can not walk away or stop fighting. Unfortunately, there is nothing to do but keep pulling every possible string and hoping the justice system will one day live up to its name. Revenge would lead to prison, though I can't pretend I don't wish his heart would just explode or something.
I don't turn the other cheek and I don't seek revenge. I do, however, try to meet the problem head on and correct it. If I am dealing with a maniac who can't listen to reason then I let it go, along with the person who caused the problem in the first place. Life is too precious to waste on insanity.
It's not worth your time or energy to seek revenge for an injustice. Life is too short, keep quiet and walk the other way. Karma will take care of the problem.
Complain to my husband and move on. By venting I can see how silly the situation is or come up with a proactive solution for 'next time.'
I try to turn the other cheek, or seek revenge through words without really putting people down. I don't believe in organized religion but I do believe that you should treat people like you would want to be treated. Anyway karma is real and like the moon whenever they wane it will still rotate back around to get waxed. That's some food for thought.
I will analyse what went wrong with me... Am I responsible for the injustice?... If I think I was clean and it was injustice, I will respond by engaging four steps as per Hindu tradition.
(Sama, Bedha, Dhana, and Dhanda) Make peace, divide the opponents, bribe the opponents and punish the culprits.
I don't do either...seek revenge or turn the other cheek. I try to change the situation, if it can be done. Regardless of that, I seek to use anything or see anything in a positive way--ie, what can I learn, what can be gained from the situation.
Toward injustice I see no revenge. I don't see how this word applies.
When someone close to me was the victim of a corrupted justice system I and others organized and stood up to the police and district attorney..
When I saw a program at a college campus committing acts of fraud I spoke at the academic senate and district council meetings and met with local media.
When my supervisor tried to write me up over nonsense because she wished to threaten my job I let her know, professionally, what my opinion of her views were. I didn't get written up.
I do my best to know what is technically legal and illegal while letting my own sense of judgment then work with and between the two.
I wish more people actively did so, at least in a socially beneficial way....
Very good advice. I now direct my anger toward the people that hurt me instead of inward. If you hurt me; I hurt you back. In court. I take your money. I dont knock you out and end up in jail myself. That's for stupid convicts with no clear way of thinking. I am a Torture Victim. I have to contain and deal with rage everyday of my life for the past 30 years. So the things people have done to me since then is greasy kid stuff. I laugh at people that think they can provoke me into violence or anything else that going to hurt me. I know just how far I can go. I am very creative with my words. I let you have it baby. I may even say a little too much once in awhile, but I have never been driven to retaliate with violence. You just hurt yourself more that way.
i think you all need to see the movie law obiding citizen it shows the most rediculous way to deal with it... great movie though
if it's directed towards someone you love, especially a child, one can't help but fight back....
Revenge seems to just make the situation worse. Protecting yourself is fair. That's a given, to me. Not striking back isn't always about turning the other cheek, but it may be a way of not perpetuating something worse as well. There are ways of protecting yourself without striking back in most incidences. However, if forced to strike as a way of protection, then I believe you need to strike once and win hard.
Turning the other cheek, to me, really only applies on the premise that both parties are acting mutually favorably to each other, and one of those parties has made a mistake. If the mistake creates remorse in the perpetrator, then I think turning the other cheek could have some merit. If however, it's a deception to open your opponent's vulnerabilities to bring him down, then you don't have much choice but to protect yourself.
Turning the other cheek is a lovely sentiment. In the real world it isn't always possible. Iraq and Afganistan come to mind.
i suppose it depends on the nature of the injustice. i know in high school i found no want of "injustices" that were really just strikes against my sense of individuality. personal offenses require turning your proverbial cheek; law punishes those who seek to take justice into their own hands. yet, in the sense of corporate injustice, we, particularly as Americans, have a difficult time not fighting for our freedoms and rights. government has the power to bring justice, not the individual. i agree with your points.
You make a good point, elliot. A sense of propriety comes with experience and maturity, I think. Not everyone, unfortunately, acts maturely or gains a sense of propriety about simple and/or small injustices. The shades of these are innumerable. Getting made fun of in gym class seems rather insignificant to ethnic cleansing, yet both can leave scars, some of which are permanent. So yes, your point makes good sense.
There is more than one answer to an injustice other than letting it go or seeking revenge. I'd rather see what I can do to fix it or perhaps minimize the damage or turn it to my advantage. Revenge is kind of something I'd resort to as a very last measure and then I'd have to think of how to get away with it.
I believe in justice and mercy, not retaliation. If an injustice only affects me, I'm big enough to let it go. However, if it doesn't I would consider myself a party to that injustice by allowing it to continue without doing anything to prevent it.
I also like the historical context that indicates turning the other cheek means more than nonresistance. It is a nonviolent assertion of one's equality.
I get so upset, don't seek revenge, and realise that in this world there is not much justice..... sad but i have found it to be true
I wait. If you wait long enough those being unjust get their come uppence. There's nothing more satisfying than watching Karma in action. Of course by gloating, your actually storing up bad karma yourself. Dam.
Quite but it might be a bit naughty to be caught grinning like a cheshire cat in the background.
Aw, dang it...you think maybe karma will just be busy with the other side for a while and I can gloat just a little? I have to say that in my own situation, the knowledge of what will happen to him when karma catches up (which it is, quite quickly) gets me through many rough days
I have on many occasions wanted revenge on someone so bad that I would dream of ways to hurt them, as they hurt me. As I have gotten older, I realise that those people get their just rewards. Not by my hands, but by their own. Now if someone does wrong by me, I sit back safe in the knowledge that one day they will have their rewards by someone else who is also as nasty and hurtful as them. Karma is a great thing, and fate often deals a hand in righting any wrongs. I have yet to not see this happen, and the saying what goes around comes around is so true. When I find out about the unfortunate events, I just sit back and smile and think to myself....Good you got what you deserved.. Smug in the knowledge that I needed no revenge after all...Life will dish it's revenge however it see's fit.
I Never Walk Away from an Injustice. That amounts to a Weakness of Character as far as I'm concerned; and certainly has Nothing to Do with Religion!!
If you Believe it is a Religious Issue... Here is an Example: An Injustice to a hungry man is his inability to feed himself. - I have experienced the apathy of 'Christian Values' a hundred times in my life! And a hundred times I have fed hungry men who those others would not!
In every other respect if you suffer an 'Injustice' Never Turn Away! Identify what it takes to rectify the situation and show the active party by being successful and Thanking them for the success that you gain in your life! To them; often your success is an injustice!
your success is to them an injustice, but quite often they are not around to see it, and would not even care if they were. People who wrong others so badly, over and over again, only smart when they are wronged....
Oh believe me.... with the right words and actions, along with the emphasis on their insecurities.... they care all right. If it is their nature to do the same thing over and over again; then generally they are weaker through their insecurities than you.
i'm usually stupid in the begining and cut off my nose to spite my face, it usually eats at me if I've been wronged. After talking to a friend, crying it out and walking away. I usually get screwed in the end someway, but Karma has been good to me and kicks them back in the ass when they least expect it.
As some have said, it depends on the injustice. I was just "nailed" on facebook by a "friend" who shared something I told her in confidence on my profile page. What did I do. I took the high rode and handled it diplomatically. I sent her a message that was between us. I did not lash out at her on a post for everyone to see....that just makes me look like and ass as well.
At any rate, I just said, I think you handled this in an inappropriate manner. It was my fault for making the mistake that I could trust you with my confidence. I truly regret having bothered you with my issues. It won't happen again.
Guilt is the best "revenge" of all. Not anger, not spite.
She is now apologetic and I'm not really having any of it. I need to cool down before responding.
This is just an example. But I definitely have a hot temper, so I have to be careful not to fall into the trap of lowering myself to the wrong-doer's level. Hold your head high, handle it logically, not EMOTIONALLY....or you risk making it worse.
I fell out with my older sister two years ago. She had not been speaking to the rest of the family due to a difference of opinion. When I tried to speak to her, to try and mend the broken bridges, she accused me of "being on their side" and therefore she wasn't speaking to me either,which I felt was so unfair as we grew up very close and discussed everything when we became teenagers. I am so sad because of this.`
I had no idea of course what was going on. She just accused me of siding with the rest of the family against her. I did ask
her on several occasions, "what did I do", the answer was always
My Psychiatrist advised me to give up because she is obviously
having emotional problems and needs help, all the more. However,
I tried three times to mend the bridges that had been broken, but
it would always end up with her "SHOOTING ME DOWN IN FLAMES.
I would be in tears, she would be cold and unfeeling.
I am praying that she will come back to the family who love her
one day, as I know that deep down somewhere in her heart, she
still harbours feelings for her family, I just pray its not too late for this family to come together again.
I tend to follow the practical approach, which comedian Paul Mooney summed up quite elegantly: "To hell with 'No Justice, No Peace!' We get 'peace' when I get even."
I tend to "go silent" for awhile. This allows me the time to really determine if it worth the effort to respond or if simply letting it go is best. I find that 95% of the time, letting it go is the best response - but I've at least had my moments or days of anger which actually can be liberating in and of themselves. But for the other 5%, I take appropriate action and yes, sad to say, sometimes it is enjoyable to see the outcome.
If I sought revenge for every injustice toward me, I'd be knee deep in trouble. No revenge on my part. I bottle it up, which isn't the best thing to do. I try to journal about it, but it makes me angrier. I've learned what type of people are toxic in my life and have done my best to avoid them.
As far as my kids go, I've gone to the mat on more than one occasion, but kept my cool.
I think it all depends - I don't think revenge ever works for me so I gave it up decades ago! It usually backfired onto me. However, I try not to repeat the situation that led to it so that it doesn't bite me again. If it involves something that I can actually DO something about in a constructive way though, I do stand up and take care of it - make a fuss. That isn't revenge - it is just smart policy in my humble opinion - example reporting something that was done in a less than professional manner in our medical community. There is a good way to "fight back" and not feel like you just got reamed!
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