Is marital law coming to america ?

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   ZACHARIAHposted 15 years ago

   will there be chaos in the streets of america soon?
   will we have another GREAT DEPRESSION in this country?

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      AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      What? Marital Law? It has been around for hundreds of years please clarify what you are asking, why would it cause another Great depression? The question honestly does not make any sense.

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      manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      On what basis (other than your own uncontrollable fear) fear...do you write this?  HMMMM...not seeing a lot of replies from you on this topic that you started???

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      starme77posted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Looks to be headed that way

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   Flightkeeperposted 15 years ago

   What's wrong with being married?  People have done it for thousands of years.  Why should there be chaos in the street?

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   R P Chapmanposted 15 years ago

   yep, think you've always been allowed to get married there!

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      lorlie6posted 15 years agoin reply to this

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   Cagsilposted 15 years ago

   I think the topic is suppose to be "Martial" Law coming to America.
   
   Not marital laws. We already have those.
   
   Martial Law is about power and control over citizens. It was being attempted by Springfield Police in Massachusetts, because of gang killings and illegal weapons on the streets.
   
   Yes, chaos is going to continue to escalate even higher, very shortly.
   
   I can even see a remote possibility of a 'civil war' coming, if things go too far. How that would come to be and who is going to be fighting against who is up for anyone's guess. Citizens against citizens or citizens against government?
   
   But it is a remote possibility.

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   Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago

   Why would you need martial law in a nation of sheep and whiners?

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      Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      For the lust of it

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      manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I just fell off the back of my tractor from laughing so hard...That is exactly the truth. Well said.

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         Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         And I have sheep in my Hub Picture! Nice! I don't think I need Martial Law. Cheers, Scott! ;p

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   ediggityposted 15 years ago

   Marital Law is already here in America.  If you get a divorce, you lose half your stuff.
   
   If it's martial law you refer to.  Then yes, it's coming.  Stock up on firearms and beef jerky.

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   ZACHARIAHposted 15 years ago

   yeah sorry its martial law. i just noticed the typo sorry all.

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   Denno66posted 15 years ago

   Damn. The Marital Law thread could have devolved into something interesting.

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      Lisa HWposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Someone needs to start a Marital Law thread elsewhere.  (Would that go in "gender and relationships", "politics", "religion", "entertainment", or "business"? 
      
      As for Martial Law - no.

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   sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago

   You better stock up on ammo because thats next! Make sure your equipment is in good working order.

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      Marc Salyerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Good luck finding any.

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         Jeffrey Nealposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Walmart has been pretty good on occasion.  Scored three boxes yesterday, in fact, in three different calibers.

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            Marc Salyerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Did you get lucky or do you know when the delivery is expected? In my neck of the woods the guys who work at Walmart buy them up within hours of delivery (that is the 45ACP).

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         sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         I've been buying surplus military ammo but you have to clean up good because the primers are corrosive. I rotate it out.

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            Marc Salyerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            A friend and I were doing that but it got to be so much work. And the increase in price was demoralizing considering all the cleaning I had to do.
            
            I have been been buying 45ACP for anywhere from $24 a box to $19 with free shipping. But not too long ago it was what 14 bucks a box on average? It's kind of crazy how hard it spiked.

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            Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            Serious question - who do you expect to have to shoot? Are you expecting an invasion of foreign ground troops, or for the army to be turned against you, or are you just expecting a collapse to anarchy with everyone out for themselves?
            
            Or are you looking not to defend but to start something? Honestly, I just don't get it.

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               livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Good questions. I don't expect a cogent answer to them.

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                  Marc Salyerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                  I think you missed the point. We who collect and shoot for hobby and competition can't get ammo right now. It used to be reasonably priced and readily available. That changed about a year ago. Now it is very difficult to get ammo because someone or a few people/companies are buying it all up and they're not turning it around for resale.
                  
                  People who shoot have been having this discussion for a year now. Who is the culprit and what is causing the shortage? Manufacturers aren't making less of it. So where is it all going? There are all kinds of theories...
                  
                  So when we talk about it we are usually curious to know how others are dealing with the problem.

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                     Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                     OK. Well that's a reasonable answer, free of the blustering tone favoured by many gun fans. But from what you say, it sounds at the very least that the ammunition distribution chain is in serious need of auditing, overhaul and possibly even criminal proceedings.

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                        Marc Salyerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                        I didn't intend to say that. It's a perfectly legal product. And like any product when consumers fear a shortage they go out and buy up as much as they can. Production doesn't stop but the lines get really long. In this case the culprits could be millions of gun owners reacting to political winds or retailers and the like anticipating some kind of harsh taxation on ammunition.
                        
                        Whatever is going on it seems that a handful of people/organizations in the US have got an awful lot of bullets in storage right now. BTW we're really talking pistol range rounds. The kind you would use in your handgun at the shooting range. Rifle ammunition and the like (the kind that are used the world over in revolutions and civil unrest) are not being stockpiled. At least I don't think so. Maybe someone else knows better about that.

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                           Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                           I'm sorry if you thought I was putting words in your mouth. That wasn't my intention. I know that ammunition is a legal product, but it's also a lethal product. As such, it is very worrying if there are no adequate checks and controls over its distribution. 'Laundering' ammunition to hide its source is surely illegal. Is this what's happening?

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      egivposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I'll make sure to grab my pitchfork.

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    wyanjenposted 15 years ago

    I was here for the marital law discussion.
    sorry.
    
    
    
    (People can be brutal!)

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       AEvansposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I see that he meant Martial law after I posted, bless his heart.

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       Marc Salyerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Ha. It's what drew me in as well.

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    Jeffrey Nealposted 15 years ago

    I found if I show up early and near the beginning of the week my chances are better, but I'm not aware of what their schedule it.  I've been told it comes in when it comes in.  I'm pretty good to go, though, so haven't checked in awhile, but I just happened on some (.45, 9mm, .223) at a store in another town.  They are much cheaper than any other store locally, but online is best.

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    ralwusposted 15 years ago

    I have plenty of rocks and my trebuchet which is not illegal and no permits or licenses either.

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       Jeffrey Nealposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Those old siege weapons are the best.  I'm reaching for the crossbow with flaming arrows, though, when TSHTF.

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          Marc Salyerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          You get those arrows at the Walmart too? The flaming kind.

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             Jeffrey Nealposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             No, afraid not...must have imagined I was Robin Hood there for a moment.
             
             So I'm on topic, the wife wouldn't allow that kind of thing anyway, unless the arrows were tipped with Yankee Candles.

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    Marc Salyerposted 15 years ago

    I had to scroll up to the top of this page because I forgot our topic. And I laughed when I saw it again.
    
    In the spirit of this thread I'll say that somebody out there has got a lot of bullets. I wonder what they are expecting.

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    ralwusposted 15 years ago

    I can use water balloons in it also as well as golf  balls. That'll  teach 'em!

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    sneakorocksolidposted 15 years ago

    Do you guys have any spear grass?

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    gary777gposted 15 years ago

    Back to the question: is martial law coming to America?  I have seen some scary webpages with talk of concentration camps in our country, already built and recruiting staff even now.  Is this true?  And what are 'they' planning?  And what can be done about it?  These same sites talk of the 'fake pandemic and flu shots being mandatory and vaccine objectors being rounded up at highway check points/ choke points, put on buses and shipped off to who-knows-where'. Has anyone heard of this?

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       Jonathan Jancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Actually, this is pretty old stuff. The Reagan admin turned FEMA into a martial law org w/ a contingency to round people up and put them in camps if there were mass protests against an invasion of Nicaragua. There was also alot of talk a few yrs ago that if we nuked Iran it would be followed by enacting martial law. In my opinion, this is all just to distract us from the fact that we're under economic martial law . . . even before the global economy was rigged to fail.

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    Poppa Bluesposted 15 years ago

    I'll put it this way, the risks for martial law have never been greater!

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       starme77posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       agreed, I think they were practicing when they declared martial law in with hurricane katrina , our own american troups had a hard time taking away other americans guns , thats why all the chinese and japanese troups have are here now

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          tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Say what now?

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    Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago

    Let's grab some pitchforks and torches and we'll just kill everyone we don't like first before they can kill us and martial law will be averted. Where should we start different political views or religion? How about sexuality or race? Then we could settle on nationality and finally education level. Sweet we'll show em all we will!!!

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       How would that avert martial law? Or was that just an emo moment?

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          livelongerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Poe's Law.

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          Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Duh if there's no one left to govern then we won't need martial law.

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             tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             So, emo moment. Got it.

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                Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                I believe its called sarcasm when someone makes fun of a topic that is ridiculous to begin with. How about everyone afraid of martial Law go serve some time in a war Zone under martial Law then we'll see how close you think we actually are to martial law. Or even better if things are so horrible in this nation and despicable you could always leave and go live in China or Saudi Arabia.

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                   tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   Why'd you pick those two?

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                      Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      Human rights violations...you know places where you actually disappear for speaking out against the government, it's the beginning of a long list of places that are ruled in the true spirit of martial law.

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                         tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         China's not really under martial law. People speak out against the government everyday and don't "disappear." And most people from Saudi Arabia that I've met have no big beef with their form of government.

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                            Scott.Lifeposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            I guess that would be why I said ruled under the spirit of martial law. Most people I've met from Saudi Arabia are terrified of saying anything negative about their government or at least that was my personal observation while I was stationed there for two years. But I am young and have no college education. On second thought I don't even know why I'm trying to argue with you about it. You are a world traveler and all, and so much smarter and more experienced at life then I. I forgot how you spanked hard the last time we talked and proved your awesome superiority.
                            
                            Really there's nothing I could ever say that you won't have a problem with, being that given the alternatives that i have personally seen with my own eyes, this country is pretty great and life is not all that bad or hopeless. I should probably just keep my optimistic young naive views to myself and await the inevitable collapse of world society and be thankful I had such enlightened realists like yourself to pull me back down to earth. and point out my ignorance. Hope is dead America give up now while you still have the freedom too.

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                               tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               What does that have to do with it?

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                               Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               HA! Bravo!

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                               tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               Did you ask them that specifically? Did you interact with the local people often while stationed there? I guess you'd have a better idea of it than I if you were there for two years.

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                               tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                               Well, that's not a very logical position, is it?

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    Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago

    Sacrifices must be made for the strength of the nation. Liberals want the government to do what it needs to, and conservatives want to do away with everyone who disagrees well actually that's both sides. This way everyone wins including the conspiracy theorists.

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    tksenseiposted 15 years ago

    Zzzzzzzzzzzzz...

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    KCC Big Countryposted 15 years ago

    Marital (or Martial) Law, is that Jude Law's brother by any chance?    I love Jude Law.  I wouldn't mind either of them coming to America.

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    ZACHARIAHposted 15 years ago

    I really just wanted to hear what other people are thinking on
    this topic, or if anyone is even thinking about the possiblity
    of it happening.Hey to all those buying ammo, whats would
    be the purpose of buying it if we have martial law.  Who would you need ammo for?

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       manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Well Mr. Zachariah...How are you liking the comments thus far ?
       
       Let's juz' say there would be martial law imposed on us (I assume you mean the U.S.A.) tomorrow...which I've been hearing folks spooked on this one since the 80's...You're just going to have the biggest "hoot and Holler" laugh-it-up about it...'cause of the folks who wasted money on ammo...???

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       Jeffrey Nealposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Ammo is a consumable.  If your hobby is sewing, you use thread and fabric.  My hobby is shooting, so I go through ammo.  If there were martial law, hopefully there would be warning enough for us to pack up and head to the mountains.  The ammo, then would be for getting meat and self defense.

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    ZACHARIAHposted 15 years ago

    Should people be afraid if they declare martial law? any views on that by anyone?If they do how should people react? Just wondering what others are thinking on this. thanks

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Dunno about 'should' but I know how Americans 'would' react.

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    ZACHARIAHposted 15 years ago

    Is anyone afraid of the possible martial law possiblity, or should we all not worry about it.

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       manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Boo! Did that scare ya'!? Why worry about it, Zachariah...there's about two dozen other scenarios that have to happen first...that are far worse...

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    Madame Xposted 15 years ago

    They won't need martial law once they have all our money

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       manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Precisely....dear lady!

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    Denno66posted 15 years ago

    Have to take all the weapons away, too. Hmm, that's another story altogether. Lots o' folks are a might partial to them.

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       Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       They're making a list - and checking it twice . . .

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          manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          That's fer' darn sure, too!

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       manlypoetrymanposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       That's fer' darn sure!

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    Scott.Lifeposted 15 years ago

    Right now I'm more concerned with whether or not there will be jobs in my area next year or not. Some might say its a tactic to divert Americans from real issues, and that may be, but it is a reality I have to face nonetheless. I am not concerned with martial law as I believe in the event it is needed there will be much more drastic circumstances going on at the time like the collapse of our government and world finances.
    
    I am not concerned about the military turning on American civilians. We forget these are Americans too. There is a reason most of them are over there and not here: The government is afraid of them and the potential power they represent and the popularity of the generals amongst the American populace. If anything be concerned with your local police force and FBI officers turning on you.
    
    Finally @ Tksensei, believe me when I say I really have no problem with you, I've read your hubs and been to your profile and I appreciate that you feel you have legitimate and valuable insight into modern issues and problems. Point is every time I have ever commented on a thread you were on you immediately set on it and everyone that disagrees with you. While I do see where this is the jest of debating, you're not debating you're brow-beating. The logical argument tact has no bearing on what you do as there is nothing logical about attacking those who have different experiences and educations then you. There's no reason or rationality to it what so ever. All you're doing is trying to assert your own superiority. These "discussions" merely amount to a pissing contest and I don't have the time for it. I have no need to prove the validity of anything I have to say or know as you're really not interested in it. You want someone to say you're right and I won't.
    
    Please feel free to counter with how emotional my response was or assuming or judgmental or any of your other canned replies. I know, and trust me we all get it. You're a smart guy and way to much for us all to handle. But that's just my personal observation based on our limited interactions and discussion.

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       Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Our military won't, but I hear that Obama wants foreign military troops to practice maneuvers here. Who, of course, could care less about Americans.
       
       How weird is that?

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          Flightkeeperposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          And why would he want them to practice maneuvers here? So they have a chance to shoot us?

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             Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             Why indeed

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       That's good to know!
       
       
       
       
       
       When have I belittled anyone's experiences or education?

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    Denno66posted 15 years ago

    Sigh.

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    Denno66posted 15 years ago

    Foreign troops doing maneuvers on American soil, like perhaps Kansas or some such? Haven't our troops been training in other countries for decades? Hmm, yes a real Red Dawn scenario. Better get myself an Abrams M1a1 and head for the hills. Yikes!

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    Madame Xposted 15 years ago

    Sigh.

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    Highvoltagewriterposted 15 years ago

    Lion Tigers and bears Oh My! Sooner or later our society will come to the end, and I feel that we may be reaching that time. I my self do not fear it, for I have faith in better world to come!

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       Madame Xposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Me too

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    Jeffrey Nealposted 15 years ago

    I don't believe there is an ammunition conspiracy or hijinks going on.  I think economic forces are the cause, but I really figured it would have evened out by now.
    
    Prior to the Presidential election, there was a fear and rumor of impending legislation restricting guns and ammunition.  Almost all of this was due to Obama's past voting record.  The gunnys were stirred up, and in turn, stirred up fence sitters who were told now is the time to get it before you can't get it anymore.  In addition to increased purchasing levels by existing gun owners, we saw a large increase in new owners who all need ammunition to feed their purchases.
    
    From what I have read, the ammunition manufacturing process from supply all the way to production is a long chain with very little flexibility to adjust to increased demand such as what was seen.  I've talked to people who claim the factories hired more workers and are running 24 hours to keep up with demand.
    
    I believe there may also be several retailers buying up large quantities and sitting on it, in effect, keeping hold of an artificial shortage so they can retain the higher prices they've enjoyed for the past year.  The ammunition market is one segment of the American economy that is trucking right along just swell.

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       Marc Salyerposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       That is the clarity I lacked. Thanks.

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    habeeposted 15 years ago

    You can't find 00 buckshot in my neck of the woods any longer. The stores sell out as fast as it comes in. I think I'm buying hubby a .308 for Christmas.

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    A Texanposted 15 years ago

    "I know that ammunition is a legal product, but it's also a lethal product."
    
    People are lethal not firearms or ammunition

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       Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       On the scale of things, ammunition is more lethal than putty, though both are legal.

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    habeeposted 15 years ago

    This forum was a lot more fun when we were discussing "marital" law! I know all about that!!

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    ZACHARIAHposted 15 years ago

    i guess not to many people are even thinking about the martial
    law issue, i guess not to many people are worried about it.

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       Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I wouldn't like to see it happen, but I think it is less likely now than when the previous regime was in place. It was they who reportedly built the 'internment camps' after all. But it's not my country, so I'd rather hear from people on the spot.

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       Jeffrey Nealposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Well, there is a lot of uncertainty, and I've heard it said frequently that we are living in "interesting times". 
       
       The possibility of civil unrest may be what prompted this question.  If we have a widespread level of unrest across the country, then maybe something could happen? 
       
       It's difficult to say what might happen, and as Scott said, there are too many weak, whiny people to believe they would really stand up and organize.  If such an unlikely thing were to happen, then, yes, I have no doubt .gov will attempt to quash it, especially if violence were to occur.
       
       Scott makes sense, though, that federal and local law enforcement personnel would be more likely as an immediate threat.  Many of our military (as much as half?) would not fight against American citizens.  oathkeepers.org
       
       The next two years will see if American attitude toward politics and our leaders cools somewhat or if things continue to get uglier.  Just my ramblings...

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    habeeposted 15 years ago

    Have you read/seen on the news all the militia groups organizing and growing in the US? And it's not just in the South, either.

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       starme77posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, but the scary thing about it is the government is watching them and allready have many chinese and japanese troups on the ground in America waiting to fight them.

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          Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Chinese and Japanese troops? Can you enlarge on that?

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    Highvoltagewriterposted 15 years ago

    I am always amazed how someone in the forms will start a subject and conversation will go on for DAYS! That is why you don't see me post to much in here, I have to many irons in the fire to spend a lot of time here...HOWEVER it is very educational to read so many different view points...so little time and so many good arguments!

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    ZACHARIAHposted 15 years ago

    hey i have  a question to all.. Are you happy with the way
    the economy is going? Do you feel like things are getting better
    or worse for you and your family financially?

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       chambersgirl21posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       The economy is only going to get worst. sounds pessimistic, but true. The things that Obama is trying to pass are whats going to throw our country into an even bigger economic woe. My opinion.

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       starme77posted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Definatly , worse

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    garynewposted 15 years ago

    I am married, so I am living under marital law right now, and, yes, there IS chaos.  But not in the street.  Just my house.

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       Jonathan Jancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Actually, marital law might work. How about, on April 15, if instead of collecting taxes the gov't just sent us each a honey do list?

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    networkrecruitingposted 15 years ago

    It's definitely coming all the signs are there, better get yourselves prepared.

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    Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

    

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    jiberishposted 15 years ago

    
    
    except for some

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    VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 15 years ago

    While Americans feel proud to hear that their troops are stationed in Japan and China, there is no wrong for others to be stationed in America.

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       dingdongposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       How do you say so?

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       tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       American troops are not stationed in China, and troops from China and Japan are not stationed in the US.

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