I think the topic is suppose to be "Martial" Law coming to America.
Not marital laws. We already have those.
Martial Law is about power and control over citizens. It was being attempted by Springfield Police in Massachusetts, because of gang killings and illegal weapons on the streets.
Yes, chaos is going to continue to escalate even higher, very shortly.
I can even see a remote possibility of a 'civil war' coming, if things go too far. How that would come to be and who is going to be fighting against who is up for anyone's guess. Citizens against citizens or citizens against government?
Serious question - who do you expect to have to shoot? Are you expecting an invasion of foreign ground troops, or for the army to be turned against you, or are you just expecting a collapse to anarchy with everyone out for themselves?
Or are you looking not to defend but to start something? Honestly, I just don't get it.
I think you missed the point. We who collect and shoot for hobby and competition can't get ammo right now. It used to be reasonably priced and readily available. That changed about a year ago. Now it is very difficult to get ammo because someone or a few people/companies are buying it all up and they're not turning it around for resale.
People who shoot have been having this discussion for a year now. Who is the culprit and what is causing the shortage? Manufacturers aren't making less of it. So where is it all going? There are all kinds of theories...
So when we talk about it we are usually curious to know how others are dealing with the problem.
OK. Well that's a reasonable answer, free of the blustering tone favoured by many gun fans. But from what you say, it sounds at the very least that the ammunition distribution chain is in serious need of auditing, overhaul and possibly even criminal proceedings.
I didn't intend to say that. It's a perfectly legal product. And like any product when consumers fear a shortage they go out and buy up as much as they can. Production doesn't stop but the lines get really long. In this case the culprits could be millions of gun owners reacting to political winds or retailers and the like anticipating some kind of harsh taxation on ammunition.
Whatever is going on it seems that a handful of people/organizations in the US have got an awful lot of bullets in storage right now. BTW we're really talking pistol range rounds. The kind you would use in your handgun at the shooting range. Rifle ammunition and the like (the kind that are used the world over in revolutions and civil unrest) are not being stockpiled. At least I don't think so. Maybe someone else knows better about that.
I'm sorry if you thought I was putting words in your mouth. That wasn't my intention. I know that ammunition is a legal product, but it's also a lethal product. As such, it is very worrying if there are no adequate checks and controls over its distribution. 'Laundering' ammunition to hide its source is surely illegal. Is this what's happening?
I found if I show up early and near the beginning of the week my chances are better, but I'm not aware of what their schedule it. I've been told it comes in when it comes in. I'm pretty good to go, though, so haven't checked in awhile, but I just happened on some (.45, 9mm, .223) at a store in another town. They are much cheaper than any other store locally, but online is best.
Back to the question: is martial law coming to America? I have seen some scary webpages with talk of concentration camps in our country, already built and recruiting staff even now. Is this true? And what are 'they' planning? And what can be done about it? These same sites talk of the 'fake pandemic and flu shots being mandatory and vaccine objectors being rounded up at highway check points/ choke points, put on buses and shipped off to who-knows-where'. Has anyone heard of this?
Actually, this is pretty old stuff. The Reagan admin turned FEMA into a martial law org w/ a contingency to round people up and put them in camps if there were mass protests against an invasion of Nicaragua. There was also alot of talk a few yrs ago that if we nuked Iran it would be followed by enacting martial law. In my opinion, this is all just to distract us from the fact that we're under economic martial law . . . even before the global economy was rigged to fail.
agreed, I think they were practicing when they declared martial law in with hurricane katrina , our own american troups had a hard time taking away other americans guns , thats why all the chinese and japanese troups have are here now
Let's grab some pitchforks and torches and we'll just kill everyone we don't like first before they can kill us and martial law will be averted. Where should we start different political views or religion? How about sexuality or race? Then we could settle on nationality and finally education level. Sweet we'll show em all we will!!!
I believe its called sarcasm when someone makes fun of a topic that is ridiculous to begin with. How about everyone afraid of martial Law go serve some time in a war Zone under martial Law then we'll see how close you think we actually are to martial law. Or even better if things are so horrible in this nation and despicable you could always leave and go live in China or Saudi Arabia.
Human rights violations...you know places where you actually disappear for speaking out against the government, it's the beginning of a long list of places that are ruled in the true spirit of martial law.
China's not really under martial law. People speak out against the government everyday and don't "disappear." And most people from Saudi Arabia that I've met have no big beef with their form of government.
I guess that would be why I said ruled under the spirit of martial law. Most people I've met from Saudi Arabia are terrified of saying anything negative about their government or at least that was my personal observation while I was stationed there for two years. But I am young and have no college education. On second thought I don't even know why I'm trying to argue with you about it. You are a world traveler and all, and so much smarter and more experienced at life then I. I forgot how you spanked hard the last time we talked and proved your awesome superiority.
Really there's nothing I could ever say that you won't have a problem with, being that given the alternatives that i have personally seen with my own eyes, this country is pretty great and life is not all that bad or hopeless. I should probably just keep my optimistic young naive views to myself and await the inevitable collapse of world society and be thankful I had such enlightened realists like yourself to pull me back down to earth. and point out my ignorance. Hope is dead America give up now while you still have the freedom too.
Sacrifices must be made for the strength of the nation. Liberals want the government to do what it needs to, and conservatives want to do away with everyone who disagrees well actually that's both sides. This way everyone wins including the conspiracy theorists.
I really just wanted to hear what other people are thinking on this topic, or if anyone is even thinking about the possiblity of it happening.Hey to all those buying ammo, whats would be the purpose of buying it if we have martial law. Who would you need ammo for?
Well Mr. Zachariah...How are you liking the comments thus far ?
Let's juz' say there would be martial law imposed on us (I assume you mean the U.S.A.) tomorrow...which I've been hearing folks spooked on this one since the 80's...You're just going to have the biggest "hoot and Holler" laugh-it-up about it...'cause of the folks who wasted money on ammo...???
Ammo is a consumable. If your hobby is sewing, you use thread and fabric. My hobby is shooting, so I go through ammo. If there were martial law, hopefully there would be warning enough for us to pack up and head to the mountains. The ammo, then would be for getting meat and self defense.
Right now I'm more concerned with whether or not there will be jobs in my area next year or not. Some might say its a tactic to divert Americans from real issues, and that may be, but it is a reality I have to face nonetheless. I am not concerned with martial law as I believe in the event it is needed there will be much more drastic circumstances going on at the time like the collapse of our government and world finances.
I am not concerned about the military turning on American civilians. We forget these are Americans too. There is a reason most of them are over there and not here: The government is afraid of them and the potential power they represent and the popularity of the generals amongst the American populace. If anything be concerned with your local police force and FBI officers turning on you.
Finally @ Tksensei, believe me when I say I really have no problem with you, I've read your hubs and been to your profile and I appreciate that you feel you have legitimate and valuable insight into modern issues and problems. Point is every time I have ever commented on a thread you were on you immediately set on it and everyone that disagrees with you. While I do see where this is the jest of debating, you're not debating you're brow-beating. The logical argument tact has no bearing on what you do as there is nothing logical about attacking those who have different experiences and educations then you. There's no reason or rationality to it what so ever. All you're doing is trying to assert your own superiority. These "discussions" merely amount to a pissing contest and I don't have the time for it. I have no need to prove the validity of anything I have to say or know as you're really not interested in it. You want someone to say you're right and I won't.
Please feel free to counter with how emotional my response was or assuming or judgmental or any of your other canned replies. I know, and trust me we all get it. You're a smart guy and way to much for us all to handle. But that's just my personal observation based on our limited interactions and discussion.
Foreign troops doing maneuvers on American soil, like perhaps Kansas or some such? Haven't our troops been training in other countries for decades? Hmm, yes a real Red Dawn scenario. Better get myself an Abrams M1a1 and head for the hills. Yikes!
I don't believe there is an ammunition conspiracy or hijinks going on. I think economic forces are the cause, but I really figured it would have evened out by now.
Prior to the Presidential election, there was a fear and rumor of impending legislation restricting guns and ammunition. Almost all of this was due to Obama's past voting record. The gunnys were stirred up, and in turn, stirred up fence sitters who were told now is the time to get it before you can't get it anymore. In addition to increased purchasing levels by existing gun owners, we saw a large increase in new owners who all need ammunition to feed their purchases.
From what I have read, the ammunition manufacturing process from supply all the way to production is a long chain with very little flexibility to adjust to increased demand such as what was seen. I've talked to people who claim the factories hired more workers and are running 24 hours to keep up with demand.
I believe there may also be several retailers buying up large quantities and sitting on it, in effect, keeping hold of an artificial shortage so they can retain the higher prices they've enjoyed for the past year. The ammunition market is one segment of the American economy that is trucking right along just swell.
I wouldn't like to see it happen, but I think it is less likely now than when the previous regime was in place. It was they who reportedly built the 'internment camps' after all. But it's not my country, so I'd rather hear from people on the spot.
Well, there is a lot of uncertainty, and I've heard it said frequently that we are living in "interesting times".
The possibility of civil unrest may be what prompted this question. If we have a widespread level of unrest across the country, then maybe something could happen?
It's difficult to say what might happen, and as Scott said, there are too many weak, whiny people to believe they would really stand up and organize. If such an unlikely thing were to happen, then, yes, I have no doubt .gov will attempt to quash it, especially if violence were to occur.
Scott makes sense, though, that federal and local law enforcement personnel would be more likely as an immediate threat. Many of our military (as much as half?) would not fight against American citizens. oathkeepers.org
The next two years will see if American attitude toward politics and our leaders cools somewhat or if things continue to get uglier. Just my ramblings...
I am always amazed how someone in the forms will start a subject and conversation will go on for DAYS! That is why you don't see me post to much in here, I have to many irons in the fire to spend a lot of time here...HOWEVER it is very educational to read so many different view points...so little time and so many good arguments!
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