Impeachment of a President

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privateye2500posted 15 years ago
"What do you think about putting together an impeachment petition to get him out of office?"
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I Wish you were talking about the RUMMY/BUSH administration. He broke HOW many Laws of the rules on impeachment...? Over 200?
He even flipped the bird to the UN. The ARROGANCE. A leader of the free world who can not even string together a coherent sentence...!?!? WOW...

He F***ed up the world so badly - I don't know if it's fixable to even a 30% ratio. After Bush, 90% of the world now Hates America. While in Europe I wore a flag on my coat so noone would think I was American as I could have been mistaken ffor one.

90% of the world cannot be wrong.

Americans would not be happy with ANY President now - who can blame them? There's no fixing it.

The sunset clause to the GLB Act for just one thing, just ONE thing. Do Americans Realize what is coming? What the government has DONE to them? I don't think they do.

Americans - PLEASE start watching World news! Not the Propoganda vrap called news put on by the likes of cnn and fox. Watch the BBC, the National - Watch REAL news that is not BIASED/slanted/Propaganda machines!!
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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  AdsenseStrategiesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  This is silly. I challenge anyone here calling for an impeachment to define what an impeachment is, and under what conditions it can occur, what the process is, the consequences, and so on, *without* looking on Google
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  WeStand4Freedomposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Im quite sure we know the consequences, I feel safe to say (We)just wish the President cared to understand that we the people of the USA matter and he should care what we think and the only way , I think, he will open his prominent ears,is if we put together a list of Americans that are unhappy w/ how he is handling or not handling things, even better yet, How he is not listening to us or answering any of our questions or concerns.
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Just like Bush did, huh?
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  WeStand4Freedomposted 15 years agoin reply to this
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privateye2500posted 15 years ago
My post is 4 posts UP...I don't know how the edit button posted the others - glitch? I didn't mean to post the other 2. Sorry but all I did was hit edit.
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pgrundyposted 15 years ago
As usual this is overstated. Yes Obama has not delivered on some of his promises, but he's not your Dad and he's not King and he's not your exhusband either--he's one part of a 200+ year old, three-part system of government. He doesn't run the country single handed. Congress and the Supreme Court check him.

Second, do you want a national government that runs itself like the state of California? Yes? Ask for everything, pay for nothing, throw a new bum out on his ear by referendum every single year so that NOTHING ever gets done? Isn't it bad enough already? I mean nothing gets done as it is.

I fault Obama on financial reform. I don't feel like he's doing what he promised there. But the rest, I think he's close enough, or trying.

Obama hasn't wrecked the country, Wall Street has wrecked the country. You want to hang somebody, start at Goldman Sachs and work your way down the block.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You said the same thing when Bush was president, right?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Cannot speak for Pam, but frankly, as I recall it, most of my 'liberal' friends (read anyone with sense) were embarrassed to turn on the news most days and hid out in liberal enclaves like Iowa City until the whole thing passed over and the country was left mostly intact.
  
  Read a lot into 'mostly' there.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL. Your liberal friends were embarrassed? How about that?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It was just horrible to watch Bush speak. Cringe level, seriously. And I remember the librarians protesting the illegal Patriot Act. And the war protest downtown...and the "No Blood for Oil" signs.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How 'bout "scary"?
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  WeStand4Freedomposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No certainly did not. The president has the final word. He signs the bills.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And in the case of your hero, re-interprets them to fit his own agenda.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
the voice of American education...
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, thanks for the compliment from the cheap seats.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
my seats are free... in the lecture hall anyway.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Accurately priced, I'm sure.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
how much did you pay for all this eternal wisdom?
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rhamsonposted 15 years ago
@ Bovine. You have to admit he shows no predjudice when it comes to picking a fight with anybody does he.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I can admit that.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
Still laughing
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
cheap seats are loving it
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Yes! Impeach Taft now!!!
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Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years ago
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Haha. I'm going to have to study that, Ron.
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  rhamsonposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is just way too funny LOL
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is there a voting forum for best forum post ever?
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  WeStand4Freedomposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  NS For sure, I agree, lets look for one, their very well might be. If there isn't there should be.
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  WeStand4Freedomposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I know you think Im stupid , Im not, typo's happen when you are passionate about a subject and you post it w/o reading prior. Yet I think this posing is excellent, the troll brain is funny , Worked late just got up, first thing i read, I will have an awesome day, Thanks
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pgrundyposted 15 years ago
I see this has degenerated into another forum insult-fest.

No wonder the country is going down the tubes.
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  WeStand4Freedomposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thats for sure. I never could understand why if your only stating truths about anything , no matter the topic why it has to become and insult fest or even the need to defend yourself based on what is factual.
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getitriteposted 15 years ago
Good luck on that petition!
Can you close this ridiculous thread now!
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Hmmm.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Indeed
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
LOL! someone said Bush and intel in the same sentence...
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Pr0metheusposted 15 years ago
I think I'm stupider just for reading this post... my brain cells hurt. I'm not even going to bother pointing out the ironies in it.

Your idiot is out of office, deal with it.
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tksenseiposted 15 years ago
Agenticity can get out of control.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
prometheus are you from perth? I have had this strange feeling I have seen your alias...way way back.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yeah, you're Australian too, right?
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Pr0metheusposted 15 years ago
Haha, no I'm from San Diego. I want to move to Australia... just the other coast .
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why haven't you then?
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't know it until I recently visited. It takes time to apply for a green card, save up to move, and make plans.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Coincidence then. Perth is rather sleepy
  
  I prefer NSW coast.
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I've never been over to Perth, although I'd like to check it out. I've heard that its sleepy from friends . I'm aiming for Sydney .
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tksenseiposted 15 years ago
Is it difficult to obtain permanent residency?
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not terribly, especially if you know current citizens.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  About the same as getting into America. Lots and lots of paperwork, but Prom most likely wouldn't have a problem.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
We are quite friendly to those who can contribute...
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You don't leave them in a boat bobbing around in the ocean?
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not all of em!
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
Expect at least 5 years of paperwork.
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe I'll just get married... (gf is a citizen, haha).
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah! Do that
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why the hell not?
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Easiest way, go for it. Hey BC, where are you from? I'm 2 hours NE of Melbourne, near NSW/Vic border.
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  Pr0metheusposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Haha, eventually... That takes time and money too!
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Elope, and get it sorted before the next round of financial collapse.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
Registry marriage is cheap as.
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tksenseiposted 15 years ago
What the hell 'watering hole' do people talk like The Obama?
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You know, with the conservative right constantly focused on bringing Obama down while we have an economic crisis and a war, I feel that it's going to do our own country a disservice. It's putting the cart before the horse, if you will, during the most critical times in our history. It's like having an argument with your son-in-law while your daughter is giving birth.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  LOL! What does all this talk remind me of?
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm...logic?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Logic doesn't change over time, does it?
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, it remains the same. We have a huge mess on our hands and all some think of doing is causing unnecessary friction.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So, it was the same during the past 8 years or so?
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's better than the last 8 years. The bleeding has stopped, thank God, and we'll heal if people consider what's more important at the end of the day. This is the time to help your neighbor rather than cutting their arm off.
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Well, some things in the past eight years haven't changed. Conservative ambition and annoying democratic personalities haven't changed. Which is why many people choose independent. I am almost non-partisan.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is that a yes or a no?
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's better than last year. Or at least it seems so.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did you want to change your answer?
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  Writer Riderposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you really want an answer? Or are you playing ring around the rosey?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You already gave me one but now it seems you've changed your mind.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, logic can and does change over time.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Wow, really?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes! Cool isn't it?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, sorry, not with ya on that one.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol Imagine that
  
  You aren't with me that logic continually changes or that it is cool? Or both?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Both
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why would logic stay the same when something new is learned everyday? Do you say that new logic isn't learned?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Logic is a set of rules, laws. Think mathematics.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. When rules and laws are continually learning and changing, the logic behind them is continually learning and changing.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ....... http://skepacabra.files.wordpress.com/2 … cepalm.jpg
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That was pretty funny.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Logic doesn't change.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Logic is a set of rules.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Rules change
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  sdmairsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  None, but then again, Obama isn't a nincompoop. Perhaps that explains your disappointment. It's too easy to be an armchair administrator and take pot shots at a President. Criticizing government is almost a national sport in the US. It can be especially self-gratifying for those who supported the defeated candidate. What is your constructive message? The simplistic mantra of the right since the 1970’s: Business Good; Government Bad? I think it wise to question the value of any contributor who sees everything an administration does as wrong. At that point we're probably looking at a good old-fashioned sore loser.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The jury is still very much out on that one.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Still undecided are we?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have you always thought so?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Have you always thought so?
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  sdmairsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No. I learned a lot about what it really takes to govern while working on a Master's degree in Public Administration. What are your qualifications?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol What it really takes to govern? It takes your masters degree to figure it out? Give the people you govern hope and faith that you will create "change" and they will follow blindly using faith over logic. You also have to kiss a lot of butt and lie on a consistent basis. How much did you pay to learn that in college?
  
  How much money did the government make from taxes off of your degree? Did they tell you that in college too?
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  sdmairsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Did the Marines teach you to win a logical argument by 'laughing out loud' or dismissing your opponent? Did they teach you that criticizing ideas without bothering to apply critical thought is an effective way to make intelligent choices? Tell us more what you know about logic and butt-kissing and lying consistently. Analyze the Federal tax base, sensei. Dismiss the value of higher education (and presumably independent thought in general). People want to learn.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now you are scrambling putting words to my name. Quote me where I said that education isn't important professor. Obviously, your degree didn't teach you logic or individual thought since you are throwing your masters degree around to gain credibility. Teach us master. Show what your tax money paid for. Analyze and explain government that you so well understand.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Marine- I'm just popping in here and saw this. I'm gonna tell you what I told my sister: go to college. You'll feel a lot better. Seriously.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I tried college. I didn't like it, sorry.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK, but this guy has a point. And things change, too (as far as liking it or not). She didn't go either--been living and saying stuff like I see throughout this post for a while...a long while.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Alright, I will accept being wrong on things. What was I wrong on and what was he right on? I didn't say he didn't have good points in his healthcare arguement. I will make a faithful assumption to say that you and him both back the liberal idealogy. Am I wrong?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I personally find the attitude that would motivate such a statement silly and offensive.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Concern for my sister...and seeing echoes of the same thing in Marine?
  
  You are enormously offensive, tk, and a huge lie NOBODY takes seriously here. How you can even continue posting continuously, continuously, is beyond me.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am curious, what are the "echoes" between me and your sister?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, that whole thread you started concerning self vs. college education...your reaction to the other poster there...the stuff you always say about 'logic,' etc. and how many times you use the word. Tells me you (and I could be wrong, I dunno) feel you should have gone to school, but didn't. It all seems to be defensive to me.
  
  And if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. But that's what I'd say. I see the same things in her--and I know I'm right there.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, thanks for writing that. That wasn't really the reason. I really don't respect when college educated are arrogant in believing they are smarter than the next person. I also don't appreciate them telling another they are limited for not going to college. I think many college educated like to throw around their salary or degree to try to win an arguement they can't win with logic.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You hit the nail right on the head.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thank You
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You could stick to the topic without insulting me.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, that from the professional.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Let me know if personally insult you and I'll try to correct it.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You can do this by never responding to anything I say ever again. I would fully appreciate that.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, I won't agree to that, but let me know if you ever feel I have personally insulted you and I'll try to explain or correct my comments. You will do me the same favor.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A joke. From one gaming the system and who continues to do so. And everyone knows and sees that--all of those you attack.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  he's been at it since early this morning, lita. chances are he'll be needing a dog nap soon enough. his panting is almost unbearable.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think he/she sleeps. I think this is all they do. I don't care that this is probably ALL they can do, either. Like I told he/she, we all have crosses to bear. Why are they any different? They aren't...no excuse for the behavior.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm going to ask you again to stop insulting me.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  We're all better off ignoring the rabid little mutt.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  See, this is what I'm talking about. If you address the topic of the thread instead of insulting me we won't have to waste time like this.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Really...
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't insult the Marines to make some little political argument. That is inappropriate.
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  sdmairsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And laughing at or dismissing an opposing view isn't? That's a conveniently discriminating rule. When did you make it up? Since it isn't obvious to you, the Marines didn't teach him those techniques - it is he who reflects poorly on the organization.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You reflect poorly on the college educated by using your degree to gain credibility that you are smarter than others.
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  sdmairsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I admit to believing that a degree adds credibility, but it is no guaranty of correctness. The same is true of merely having an opinion. I made a valid point in my original post about armchair administrators who make a sport of taking pot shots at government. You completely ignored this and chose instead to take a mindless swipe at education in general. Why so defensive about learning? Do you feel inadequate in this regard? The sad fact is, all an uneducated person can do is speak in generalities and repeat what others have told him to think. One doesn't need a piece of paper to be educated. All that's really required is some reading and a capacity for critical thinking. Try it some time - you might surprise yourself.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is a failing you might want to consider addressing because it leads to "What's the matter, you hate education or something? Are you scared because you feel stupid?" and other highly unfortunate nonsense. Next thing you know you are looking down your nose at your fellow citizens, many of whom are undoubtedly your superiors in various ways. That's why 'elitism' is not only distasteful and unAmerican, but unwise.
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  sdmairsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  WOOF! Translation: Mediocrity is distasteful and unimpressive too. So are self-appointed yet unqualified arbiters of what constitutes being "American". I'm not sure who it is you intend to label as 'elitists'(thinking people?) but I shudder to think where our great country would be if George Washington, Thomas Jefferson or Abraham Lincoln were anti-intellectual. A professor once quipped. "you cannot be naive by choice." If one refuses to learn we have another word for it: ignorance.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You are lost. What qualifies someone to talk of America, a masters degree like yourself? lol, Your word doesn't count more than anyone else's, sorry to burst your bubble. You are not a thinking person, you are a trained thinker.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And anyone without a certain degree is necessarily mediocre?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one is talking about being "anti-intellectual" or "anti-education." That is what wannabe elitists hear whenever this topic comes up because that is the view that flatters their own self-image. There is a difference between 'elite' and 'elitist,' that some seem to want to ignore.
  
  And Lincoln was anything but an elitist.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol are you serious? This is where your degree has gotten you? You never answered my question. Do you follow the liberal idealogy? Lol you or your degree has no credibility until you earn it. Who said I was defensive about learning? You have no idea of logic or critical thinking. All you know is what you have been taught to know. I'm sorry, but your degree is worthless in a debate or arguement. Accept it. Your masters degree didn't teach you how to spell guarantee?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I dunno Marine...do you always talk this way to somebody who really doesn't seem to mean any harm? If one can go on life experience alone, it seems clear that he might have something to say that might be valid. He also wrote a hub days ago about what he mentioned to you...
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Doesn't mean any harm? He clearly thinks he is elite to others by what he has written. He thinks his degree gives him credibility for his words to be more important to others. What is his hub about, how those without degrees aren't important enough to be heard?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  From what I saw, he entered the conversation here addressing someone else. You then attacked him, due it seems to his perceived eloquence, in regards to education with what looked like fighting words to me.
  
  He perhaps thinks his degree in public administration--which incorporates policy setting and management and is extremely germane to the topic--may qualify him to speak to the topic.
  
  Linguistics and communication studies incorporates the study of human communication patterns. How and when and the pattern in which people say what they do is as important as WHAT they say, ie. Judging by this, I can make certain assumptions about your motivations, and have.
  
  I should also say that while "all men are considered equal" and have a right to be heard, indeed, the free market of ideas is just that. "The importance" of his words are maybe found WITHIN his words and maybe they carry more weight than other words here. Perhaps that upsets some people here?
  
  His hub, btw, is about the sport of armchair commentators taking pot shots at political figures. I took the time to look at his profile.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol What makes him different than another other person criticizing the government? His degree? He's not a politician just because he thinks he is.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sigh. Public Administration is the administering of public policy: um, political agendas? In the very basic meaning and sense of that phrase?
  
  Due to the fact Mr. Mairs seems older than 28 or so, , I'm gonna guess he has the requisite "real world" experience that conservatives mouth that they value so much, too.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol So? What if he was a politician? Do you think that would make him smarter than the next person because of their title? I would like to know how much military hands on experience to go with his college degree. Do you think someone has to have a degree to analyze how things run? Are politicians elite minded?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Having education and experience and offering those things in a conversation is different than being "elite minded," marine. And always will be.
  
  Try applying for a job without the prerequisites. Won't happen. (Well, maybe in wilderness, lol, areas of Arizona...but that's a whole other beef I could speak to and then some. Trust me, it isn't pretty having unqualified people in charge of things they shouldn't be in charge of.)
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol A degree doesn't mean anything when they have a flawed idealogy or logic. This is what I am trying to get across. Someone hiring another based on their title could hire the wrong person and destroy the company. Unqualified people are those that think they are qualified from their title.
  
  Also, In one of his hubs I read, it was mostly quotes of other people with little individual thought involved. Does he have an individual mind or a taught mind of book quotes? His hub shows he has a taught mind.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, there are idiots out there with degrees. I have gone to school with some of them. There are also idiots out there with "life experience." Both can ruin companies--or more likely, ruin employees... Corporations have a tendency to protect incompetents which is just as refreshingly awful every time I encounter it.
  
  I'm sorry, but I just didn't see it in anything I saw this guy write. And anyway, that's assuming quite a bit about him, isn't it, as he's only made a few comments here?
  
  btw, that 'book smart' thing is just a bunch of crap people who choose identity politics on the right throw at others when they have nothing else to say. The cliche (believe it or not) is also partially why I worked two jobs while in grad school...so I didn't have to hear that BS from family members who have always excoriated me for obtaining the education level that I have. I know on a personal level, so to speak, how really stupid it is.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol alright, that was a little assuming to say he has no individual thoughts. But, what else would I conclude when someone has mostly other peoples quotes posted on their hub? I'm not knocking anyone for educating themselves, just those that think they are smarter than others for educating themselves. It doesn't take college to read and learn new things.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sigh. I believed the hub you looked at (I just looked at it) was a formal research paper on installing IT systems in foreign countries--looks like he might be in Africa. When you write one of those, you back up your thesis with research from other journals. That's a certain kind of writing--there are many different kinds of writing.
  
  Looks like he just put it up as a hub, as I've seen other people do.
  
  I seriously doubt he "thinks he's smarter" than others or even has to assert anything like it. People don't always think in these simple patterns, you know...
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He already said what he thought without having to say it. lol He bragged about his masters degree giving him credibility over others. Does he have to say, "I'm smarter than you because I have been to school longer" to understand what he thinks?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  AN MA in Public Admin., YES. And yeah, he said only in a polite way that he learned a lot about the subject pursuing this degree. I'm not freaked out that he probably knows more about public administration than I do...jeez! Why should I be? And why would I read his words like that?
  
  Some people will read what they want into anything...you can about see it. That isn't necessarily the other person's problem.
  
  Anyway! I'm sure the guy in question will think its odd we/I am talking about him all over the forums (if only to prove a point), so that's it for me.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  wait, lita, don't leave!
  
  what will i do when the trolls show back up?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's true.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  does "military hands on experience" make one more elite than, say, one without "military hands on experience?"
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, I didn't say it did.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  why the relevance?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I figured since he was so confident in his degree, he could also use the military to support he is smarter than others.
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  Siotoshposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It would make that person, more qualified to speak on their particular topic. Would a carpenter be more qualified to talk about plumbing, than a plumber
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think that is using a physical comparison with a mental comparison. Politics isn't all physical. Most of it is mental. If a politician or person contradicts themselves on a consistent basis, it wouldn't take another politician to understand they have a flawed ideaology or logic.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  good point. while many try that approach, it carries little weight. virtually none.
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  sneakorocksolidposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It just makes them better citizens.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not if they have a flawed idealogy or logic.
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  arrive late to the discussion?
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  blue dogposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  here's a post from one of your so-called "better citizens" that was presented to a world wide audience back in august. recognize it?
  
  "Yep, my yard is in tip top shape. Don't let the rake fool you though--tucked into the back of my shorts, beneath my shirt, is a Desert Eagle .44 semi-automatic--my personal side-arm during my tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. I wouldn't need it against you though, Randall--I'd just crush your windpipe and watch you slowly suffocate to death.   Hey Tex, if he's dumb enough to come your way....bury him deep."
  
  better. indeed.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh brother, here we go again...
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topshelfposted 15 years ago
I believe that Obama has been doing the total opposite of what he had promised while running for president. I think he only told us the things we want to hear to get into the office. He promised change, and that's what we are getting. He never promised a positive change. He has a an agenda and it's not for the people. Things are only going to get worse. Mark my words.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He is the president. What did you expect?
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  They certainly are going to get worse. In order to get yourselves out of the mess you got yourselves into, you're going to suffer like a big hangover. Obama's agenda is to stop you going bankrupt. Bush liked to spend the money you didn't have. China now has you by the bushy tail you're hanging by. If you thought you were going to get an easy ride by any President after the Bush disaster years, you must be crazy.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And The Obama is out to show the world he can do it even more!
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Go Obama. I think he and his good wife and family are coming over for a bbq next year. Looking forward to it.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He will be the most welcome president ever in Australia! We look forward to meeting a man who is getting the job done, despite the partisan lies he has to deal with daily. Stupid lies, like he is a muslim, or he is not American. Only a zealot could think like that.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not zealots. Complete idiots.
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  earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  OK I can go with complete idiots. Ignorance that is chosen.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Am I a complete idiot for not agreeing with Obama?
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sarah Palins...
  
  Oh, you said that
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh, is he bringing someone else with him? If y'all do get along well, feel free to keep the lot of them there for as long as you want.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You mean like Tiger Woods?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  He's been getting too many jobs done! But sure, you can have him too.
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  Jewelsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Gosh, you'll only have Hollywood to prop up your currency. They're certainly welcome here.
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Bravo.
  
  The rightwingnuts here are too overcome with hate and rage, largely thanks to crackpot loudmouths like Beck and Limbaugh, to realize Obama isn't Satan.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You sound like a leftwingnut. Why pick either side when both are corrupt? You don't realize that Obama isn't the Messiah. I never called those that don't agree with me ignorant and "zealot". I think you are confused.
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please don't claim to know what I realize. I know Obama isn't the Messiah. Everyone realizes that except the rightwingnuts who keep referring to him that way. It's just another ridiculous chant parrotted by the Glen Beck-Rush Limbaugh sheeple.
  
  Both sides may be corrupt but that doesn't mean I should remain quiet about the hatred being spewed by the righwingnuts.
  
  I'm not confused, thanks, however you are. But that's a whole separate issue that begins with your incessant faith/logic babbling. Give it a rest now and then. Sheesh.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think everyone that listens to Limbaugh is a sheep and agrees with everything he say's? How old are you and how uneducated are you to think this?
  
  lol Read what you write, have some self-awareness. "Both sides may be corrupt but that doesn't mean I should remain quiet about the hatred being spewed by the righwingnuts."
  
  You don't think your generalized statement about everyone that agrees with some of what the right say's isn't a hateful comment? Can you read and comprehend what you write?
  
  Lol You clearly show you choose faith over logic. Faith is what you base your comments on without the use of logic.
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I never said everyone. How old and uneducated are you to make such assumptions?
  
  You have a terrible problem with comprehension. What I said about the sheeple isn't hateful; but it is true. I don't hate them for what they do but I think it's wrong. There's a difference.
  
  Seek help. Your faith/logic obsession is embarrassing.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is this all you could come up with? You continue to make genralized statements then point the finger and cry at others.
  
  Explain your "sheeple" comment and how that is true and not a generalized hateful comment? I think you are confused.
  
  Faith and logic are 2 of the components that construct yours and everyone else's belief. I think it's pretty interesting.
  
  I appologize it's not important for you to understand how you think and believe. Just keep believing whatever you want to believe without logic. What is that?
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Pay attention. Those who do and say exactly what Beck and Limbaugh tell them to are sheeple. Why? Because if they thought for themselves they'd realize "Hussein" isn't anything more than a name; using it to link Obama to Muslim extremists and terrorists is absurd. Therefore the sheeple term isn't hateful, it's true. And appropriate.
  
  Note: I said "those who do and say...". I didn't say "everyone who listens to Beck and Limbaugh". Therefore the statement is specific, not generalized.
  
  Any chance you were able to comprehend any of that?
  
  I never said it wasn't important. You may think you know what I believe and why I believe it but you don't. But here's something you might be able to understand:
  
  I give your "faith/logic" tune a zero. The lyrics are jumbled and as repetitive as a broken record. And it's also lousy to dance to.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you think people don't do everything Obama say's? Are you one of those people?
  
  I will prove I know your belief better than you do if you want to answer all of my questions from here on out honestly and not run when I ask you something.
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe some do, but I'm not one of them.
  
  Spare me. I don't care what you think you know. Your "logic" is often so twisted and flawed, I have no "faith" in your ability to prove anything. But thanks for the offer. Do you do palm reading as well?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What is my logic twisted and flawed on? I don't think you have a clue to what you are talking about.
  
  You don't have any hatred for those against Obama? I think you are lying. Why else would you call them sheep? Is that emotional or logical to call names?
  
  Lie again and say you don't have any emotional faith in Obama.
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks, on behalf of the double negative.
  
  I already told you why the Beck-Limbaugh parrots are sheep. (That's quite a biological oddity, I might add.) It's not hate on my part. Pay attention.
  
  I didn't lie before and I'm not lying now.
  
  Do you suffer from compulsions too or just obsessions -- and delusions of grandeur?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Alright, what is your political belief? Why do or don't you support Obama?
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Like most people, I support him on some things and not on others. Your "analysis" of that isn't needed. Or wanted.
  
  The End
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol That's because you are scared of my "analysis". What do you support him on and disagree with him on?
  
  Are you scared to answer because I will find your flawed logic? I think so.
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, it's not. It's because you make assumptions like that. That alone proves you're not logical enough to trust with doing thoughtful analysis of anything. Sorry.
  
  But the "nyah, nyah, you're scared!" tactic sure is impressive!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I wouldn't have to make assumptions if you were honest enough to answer questions. You are obviously fearful to put your political ideas out there, what does that make you?
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have no fear of putting my political ideas "out there"; I've done so many times. You're simply not worth repeating them for.
  
  Sorry. But there's nothing more to it than that.
  
  But keep reverting to your usual intimidation tactics if they'll make you feel better.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So why is it so hard to tell me what you agree and disagree with regarding Obama? What intimidation tactics? It's not a conspiracy.
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Never said it was hard to tell you. Seriously, look into that comprehension prob you have. I'm worried about you.
  
  I know it's there's no, um, conspiracy. (Your mentioning that doesn't even make sense, by the way.) I'm talking about the childish intimidation tactics you like to use on people. You know, like telling people they won't do something because they're "afraid" of this or that.
  
  Why not try the "I double-dog dare you!" approach? Maybe I'll fall for that.
  
  And hurry up. Kickoff is only about a half hour away.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why did you lie about being on the left's side? Why do you feel the need to lie to protect your belief?
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Huh? You're not making any sense at all. When did I "lie" about "being on the left's side"?
  
  What did I tell you about taking your meds on time?
  
  And what in the world does this mean: "Why do you feel the need to lie to protect your belief?" What lie? What belief? What need?
  
  Oh, wait! I get it! This is your new tactic!
  
  Well, it's not working. Next?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why did you say something about conservatives when he said something about liberals?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So no need to get upset over its use.
  
  LOL @ "If they thought for themselves"! LOL, hitting all the liberal cliches...
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So no need to keep using it to insult him and others.
  
  You're right! I've never, ever, ever heard any conservatives say that!
  
  Hoo-boy...
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you hate conservatives? Do you like making generalized hateful comments? Do all conservatives say the same things? That's what your generalized comments imply. Do you have self-awareness? And you still say you aren't on the left?
  
  It's pretty funny that when someone writes something about "liberals" you respond with a comment about conservatives in retalliation. lol You are caught in your own lie. Not on the left huh?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It...is...his...name.
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes...I...know.
  
  But...that's...not...why...people...are...using...it.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  And now we're back to presuming to make his actual name off limits. How long do you want to go around the same circle?
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Oh please. The point is simply that people only use the "Hussein" name to make a connection to Muslims and Islamic extremists.
  
  Deny that if you like or pretend they just use his middle name to be thorough. But it's obvious what the intent is, it's wrong for that reason and that's all anyone is saying. Nothing is off limits. Continue using it if you like. Just don't pretend there's no purpose behind it.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What is his middle name, by the way?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not sure I have, certainly not often. It is a standard liberal banality.
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Umm. Okay.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, part of the liberal inability to accept that anyone could legitimately disagree with them.
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I have no problem with people disagreeing with me. Or with anyone else for that matter.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sure you don't. That's why you lie about having a left mentality. lol
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Less than 10 minutes to kickoff. I'll only ask you once more.
  
  What "lie"? And don't babble. Just state EXACTLY what this lie is that you're obsessed with. (If it's not one obsession it's another with you. )
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you like to run on treadmills?
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, I asked you politely. I gave you an opportunity to explain.
  
  You decided not to comply. That's your decision and I'll respect it.
  
  See ya later and have a nice day. It's time for football!
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why do you not admit having a left ideaology instead of lying about it? I hope your team loses. lol
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good grief! That's what all your "lying" crying and whining was about?
  
  Yes, yes! I'm on the left -- how much clearer could I have made that? And when in the name of all that's holy did I ever (God forbid!) say I was on the right?!?
  
  I'm not an left extremist though if that's what you're implying. Anyway, now that that's settled, it's back to football (and basketball) for the rest of the day.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  How can you be logical when you put faith in a group ideaology?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  But if they would only "open their eyes" or "wake up" or "think for themselves" they would see that you are right. Right?
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  Sara Tonynposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No, I didn't say that. What's the bug up your arse all about?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Hmmm...thought I saw a "if you would think for yourself" in there somewhere...
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topshelfposted 15 years ago
I didn't expect things to get this bad. No one did.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  no one?
  
  What's so bad anyway. All looks kosher democracy to me. You vote for president based on best told lies and then they do what they are told by the real voters, corporate america.
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Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago
And I doubt Obama did either. If everyone had been made aware of how bad the economy was before the election things might have been different.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
i dont care enough to explain it further
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  topshelfposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  funny i didn't care enought to listen either
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
cmon people... bush went to Yale...what does paperwork matter

Most of the stupidest people I know have A Class degrees.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
doesn't matter how good the intentions, political office would corrupt mother theresa herself.
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
If Obama would have gotten his degree from a tech school instead of Harvard, would he have gotten elected?

Gotta love titles.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's a big nega-tory good buddy, come back
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why not? Tech schools don't count?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not to the type who like to look down their noses at the 'rubes' who "cling to their guns and religion" instead of embracing the superior truth of the enlightened ones.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol I liked that. So, if some of the smartest minds in the country and world are those without college, why does it take a college degree to be president?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's a mighty good question.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Thanks. Possibly the answer to it is, we are a country and world based on importance of titles.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That's not what America is supposed to be about.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. But, that's what I think it is. Another example would be a rich guy and homeless guy. How many would automatically assume the rich guy is smarter than the homeless guy for having more material possessions?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Depends on your experience. The obvious answer for many people would be the rich guy is smarter but not necessarily true.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you. I believe most would automatically assume the rich guy is smarter based on society teachings. Most of the assumptions would be faith based rather that logically debated simply because the rich guy has more, he must be smarter.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  If one has never roughed it, so to speak, obviously they will be rather naive to such things.
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  Ron Montgomeryposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Take a break. Let WeStand have a shot.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
government is not all about smarts though, is it. And the homeless guy is not very smart about politics, if he was he wouldn't be homeless.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Are you absolute on that? Maybe the homeless guy is homeless because he doesn't want to live and pay taxes under a government he disagrees with. Maybe he is a genius in politics and is simply homeless to rebel against politics.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am absolute, no. However, I offer you this thought; is he a rebel? If so, has he made any success in his rebellion?
  
  Politics is a practice. Maybe the homeless guy is a success but not in politics and not in rebellion. Whatever it is, that will likely be his secret.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
America got screwed by not even a free market but a controlled, quasi free market, and controlled not by central banks or government controls but lack of government controls and weak as p1ss corporate laws.
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  Presigoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  America got screwed when we decided we no longer needed to produce anything, Now we have a president who believes the way out is socialism
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You don't have any idea.
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  Presigoposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  On what to you base that judgement ? Out of frustration that you have no tangible evidence on which to base your view ? Blind faith in our president is a fools game
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Now you want evidence??
  
  Get your own education. Bash the government and go start your own free market...
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Don't make assumptions about other people's education. Haven't you learned that yet?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Presigo wrote:
  Bovine Currency wrote:
  Presigo wrote:
  America got screwed when we decided we no longer needed to produce anything, Now we have a president who believes the way out is socialism
  You don't have any idea.
  On what to you base that judgement ? Out of frustration that you have no tangible evidence on which to base your view ? Blind faith in our president is a fools game
  Now you want evidence??
  
  Get your own education. Bash the government and go start your own free market...
  
  Of the many interesting comments you provided while I was out, I'll start here. For a Masters educated linguist, you never fail to amaze me. As a bachelor of philosophy, your failure to read an argument is even more astonishing.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Has he showed you his diplomas?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I am not bothered with it to ask. The proof is in the pudding.
  
  Regarding the comment which has been highlighted here above and on a subject that has been issued further discussion, my comment 'get your own education' was meant to suggest the fact I am not here to provide proof for each and every of my opinions and nor will i ask that of others. I don't have the willingness or the inclination. Was an innocent comment not a reference to college degrees. For the record, I never finished high school. Went back to study at university but dropped out so I hold no cards in that arena.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Not exactly. America was screwed because we mindlessly followed the doctrine that unfettered free trade benefits everyone. The result was that our manufacturing industry has been nearly wiped out by cheap, mostly inferior products from China produced by underpaid workers in unsafe, unhealthful, polluting factories.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol You talk against trade with China. Who did your boy borrow all that stimulus money from? Who did your boy make us slaves to?
  
  Do you follow Obama through faith or logic?
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  Mark Knowlesposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The Federal reserve. But that started in 1913 and he is just doing as he is told.
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
rather than moaning about it all... go do something? Too hard? Blame the government boo hoo....
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
I merely offered you some perspective on YOUR misinformed opinions, using REALITY as an example. I have the ability to think without relying on personal emotion. Sorry bud.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Is that why you got angry and wrote in caps. Now you are lying. ....Your reality is that you get angry when you are wrong.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Champ, why would I be angry?
  
  I don't even live in America. I thought BIG LETTERS might help you READ..
  
  Anyway, I'm goin out... its a Saturday after all at its midnight here....cheerio.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Good you aren't angry. I can read even when I am wrong on something, can you? Have a good night.
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  alexandriaruthkposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  midnight where, it is saturday am here in the US, MR COW, I need a milk, thanks
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Bovine Currencyposted 15 years ago
So glad I am not American.

The brainwash factory is obviously working well...

"We are the greatest" "We can't afford healthcare"

Errrr....did I miss something???
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The feeling is mutual.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I would like to doubt you are a true representative of America. On the whole, I doubt Americas people are much different from any other people. I feel for the people of America because it has been screwed so hard from within.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Why?
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Do you want that in dot points or otherwise?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Moooooooooooooooooooooooo
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  MMMOooOOOoooOOooo
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alexandriaruthkposted 15 years ago
where is capitalism not a joke?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Everywhere.
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Presigoposted 15 years ago
I relize this is a debate format, which is good. I would encourage my fellow hubbers to be more informational than sinking to insults. I would like to think we all can learn something here from each other. If not then why do we bother at all
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
It's really amazing what you can learn listening, analyzing, and debating Limbaugh for an hour compared to what a person could learn within a semester in a college classroom.

Bite
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  It's a totally different thing. I've learned things about people here I never learned in college, but in school you are exposed to huge amounts of knowledge you might otherwise not be--histories, philosophies, arts and sciences. It gives you a solid background for the acquisition of further knowledge...and hopefully and at best, the ability to critically analyze many things. It's not that you cannot do this on your own (and eventually, you have to at some point anyway), it's just that the way things go, with work, etc. and other things that take up time and space in peoples' lives, its likely one will not.
  
  Rush Limbaugh has found out what works for him monetarily--so has Michelle Malkin and Glenn Beck. This does not make them educated. It makes them marketers of vitriol (which pays very, very well.) People take them seriously not because of their views, but because of their market shares. It's a different thing. Also, education, and the ability to be taken seriously because you are well informed and well-spoken, or an expert in your field or endeavor is available to everyone (making education probably the most democratic institution out there...not saying there are not problems within this, either, as it is also a human thing and imperfect). Loudmouths aping Limbaugh without substance or real knowledge are a dime a dozen.
  
  And you bet he counts on them to make him richer and fatter by the day.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That is not correct.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Suffice it to say serious people don't take them seriously...oh, except for those who are using the rhetoric somehow to advantage. Those serious types do--for what it can benefit them. Again: market shares. And if not that, the ability to influence unwary masses of sheep.
  
  Not that you'll get that. lol The point.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol, So Obama followers aren't blind?
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  ..."serious people" ...
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Group consensus that isn't you. lol
  
  Stick to the death of squirrels...and maybe swear words used sooo nicely.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  You could stick to the topic without trying to insult me.
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  WeStand4Freedomposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  definately not correct.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So saying "it's just the way things go" in reference to getting a college degree, likely having a better title and more money, I agree. A degree usually equals a higher paying job. When you say it's likely a person won't learn as much individually as they can in college, this is an opinion, it's not absolute. It all depends on individual motivation to learn. You can learn as much if not more on the Internet through invidividual learning as you can in a classroom. If it's about money, there have been many entrepreneurs with no college who are self made millionaires.
  
  Limbaugh is ignorant in many things, it doesn't mean he isn't smart at analyzing how government and politicians work. You never answered my question on whether or not you follow a liberal ideaology?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I define myself (which is different than those who would define me) as a libertarian which leans left. I do not necessarily see things, as is rampant on Hubpage forums these days, as black and white (atheist/christian--missing many theists and other philosophies there...conservative/liberal--generally broad and stupid stereotypes).
  
  Limbaugh is good at wallowing in and understanding the muck and the low of politics and human nature. The lowest common denominator. To that ends he is very successful.
  
  And making money and career is different than obtaining an education--however it is achieved. I know this...as I now concentrate on the former, when I didn't before. Hey...art and English major, lol, they don't really think about the money.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with the stupidity of titles and stereotypes. Do you agree with what I said to Denno? If everyone only concentrated on their individual idealogy, they wouldn't have to live up and defend a group ideaology which they could agree with simply to run with the mobb.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes. Absolutely. Also, I think identity politics do just that...give some people without it an identity.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Weakening the dollar was, in theory, a good way to counter China's cheap goods. However, that bit us in the @ss anyhow. The serious reemergence of small business is the only solution.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree.
  
  Where is the picture of the running sheep!?!?
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I put this one up because this is a picture from last Christmas.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Bah Humbug.
  
  I'm jk. But the running sheep picture has better energy. lol
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, I agree. I'm actually searching for one like it for a replacement.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
We are in a no-win scenario with China right now. No matter what we do, we will hurt ourselves irrevocably. There is no disengagement from this relationship that will not damage our economy to the point of no return.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
It's not as bad as the world makes it, folks(being American, that is)
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree!
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Anti-Americanism gets old after a while.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think a lot of people confuse Anti-government as Anti-Americanism. It's easy to do.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps, but sometimes it's difficult to separate a government from its' people.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Unfortunately, yes. Especially with the vocal minority.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  In a Democracy, it's impossible.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I meant typecasting a people because of its Government. Unfortunately, the choices for politicians out there is not that great and the system is corrupt, but there are a vast majority of good, honest, hard-working Americans.
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  Bovine Currencyposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  That makes more sense.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Small business is the answer; America was founded upon it and it should return to it.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, but that would require tax cuts and less government control. I don't think Obama is down with it.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I don't think he has a choice.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
How much does any individual truly know what is going on according to their government other than what we're shown?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A lot when they analyze all of the information. How many analyze before they agree on blind faith?
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  The point is, that we do not have all of the information...Accountability is about as realistic as a Unicorn.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree. This is why people should keep an individual ideaology rather than trying to always agree with a group ideaology.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
sigh.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
You talk sense there. This government has many flaws but it still allows some; albeit a vanishing amount, room for flexibility within the system. It doesn't matter what party is in charge; they're both too specific to foster any real growth. A common ground needs to be established before any progress can be made in repairing this ailing system of Government.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
I'm fairly sure that the founding fathers, as it were, didn't plan on the current two-party system.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Washington, for one, was very much against any political parties.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A Republic was the start, no?
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  A start.
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Denno66posted 15 years ago
Okay, so people wish to impeach the current president, then?
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  What do you think? Maybe impeachment would be more chaotic than letting him finish out his term. Imagine the separation it would cause in the country when he is already causing separation. Maybe just limit him from destroying everything like his party has done so far.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I find it funny how there is always someone or some groups that always seek to remove a sitting president.
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  Denno66posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Sounds like the Dems regarding Bush(W) in his two terms.
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marinealways24posted 15 years ago
I'm sorry, but I will disagree with the mobb. I like tk. I think it's pretty entertaining to see people have emotional reactions from anothers comments. How much logic is tied into an emotional reaction to what someone writes?
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Depends on how much logic is in the writing.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  lol true. But, maybe the logic is to get an emotional reaction.
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Which to the writer makes sense, to the reader it is a waste of time. Emotion for the sake of emotion serves no purpose.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Ah, serves no purpose is absolute. If a logical person is arguing with an emotional person, which one controls the arguement? I think there is an art to getting someone upset while staying logical. There is a lot of will involved not to get caught up and get emotional in the arguement.
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  My guess is the logical one. A purely emotional argument usually leads no where. And why must upsetting people be an art form? In my opinion, the art is proving your point and changing minds of others while being civil and not resorting to playing on the emotions of others.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I think the art is this. Could I play and control your emotions if you kept a logical mind and never allowed me to? I think it also exposes the mind and will of a person to see if they make decisions based on logic or faith.
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  No one can have a mind devoid of emotion or passion. Arguments are usually not an exception. Most of the arguments that I engage in here I keep a logical mind and emotion doesn't come in to play. Now in person, with the people I know, work with, experience life with... that is a different story. I guess to me, here, it is a waste of time to get emotional. But when I am trying to prove a point, some people should consider their emotions, but it depends on the situation.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I agree with you. I was just referring to arguements on here rather than personal ones. I think it is silly that someone on the other end of a monitor will allow another to control their emotions. I also think logic can be blind also when not considering the consequences of using others emotions.
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  Colebabieposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes I agree with you. And I also think it is stupid to start s#%@ just to get emotions out of people, it is out of boredom and there are much better things people can do with their lives. It is equally as silly to start something with no intention of learning or listening to others. If you cannot discuss (or have no intention of doing so) then don't start a discussion.
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Incorrect. TK is an annoying troll trying to get a reaction, posting day and night, period. That is defined as harassment, not 'logical' arguing. In any other facet of society (say a job), he/she would have been fired or disciplined.
  
  THAT is what is logical.
  
  And I don't respond personally, necessarily 'emotionally,' (although that is part of the makeup of a person and emotion can be used in arguments successfuly). I simply recognize the obvious...as do most people with an ounce of maturity here.
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  marinealways24posted 15 years agoin reply to this
  So you believe if a person acts one way, they have no ability to learn from their mistakes and change?
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  I'm a fairly good judge of character. lol Even on the internet (that's the way I met my partner, btw, too). That's all I'm gonna say.
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  tksenseiposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Please stop insulting me. Maybe say something about the topic instead?
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  A Texanposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Yes, please do, your opinion means so much to so few!
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  Leta Sposted 15 years agoin reply to this
  Check your fan list, Tex. A little light. Could be most people just turn on Glen Beck rather than read regurgitation of him.
  
  And trust me, I couldn't care a wit about what you think. Evidently, you care enough about what I think to post nonsense comments in response to mine, though.
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