Do you think illegal immigrants should be given amnesty and be eligible for citizenship?
After some time and paying fees? What should be the requirements?
No They should go to the back of the line behind those who are trying to do things legally. Anyone caught in the country illegally should be disqualified from ever gaining citizenship or a green card.
A system should be set up for employers who can show a real need for foreign workers and allowed to import them. But that employer should be held liable for all of their expenses and they shouldn't qualify for any government aid.
Likewise a system should be set up to check worker IDs when other inspections are being done. Anyone employing illegal help should face stiff fines the first time and sever fines and jail for continued offences.
And your reasoning is...? All you are saying is that criminal activity should be rewarded.
and what about those who were born here who have never known anything else? just throw them out? It is a complex situation
If you are born in the US you are a citizen, they would only need someone legal to live with.
Actually it is more of looking to a future rather than hanging on to the past. Still, I don't view working to provide for one's family as a crime. It's really just something you don't like.
JS, you are completely skipping the fact that what they are doing is illegal and some people want to reward that. You are simply using emotional quips rather than realizing the facts. Illegals should have to go through the process like anyone else.
I'm not ignoring the law, I just don't agree with the law and am perfectly willing to erase it. Nothing emotional about that at all.
Another 10 million Mexicans might change your mind.
No they wouldn't. I like the Mexicans I have known. (A lot more than I like many of my fellow Americans actually). Trading 10 million Mexicans for the Tea party I think would be a swell deal.
To take 10 million Mexicans the US would have to have sustainable growth thats what the UK problem has been 5 million immigrants and little if no growth.
If there are a set of rules (laws) and someone breaks those rules should they be rewarded?
Would the person who has never broken a rule (law) please step forward.
Junkseller, is that the best you can come up with? Silverspeeder has simply given the principle that good should be rewarded and wrong should be punished. I guess that principle is not in your version of the future.
I broke a law and was suitably punished, do you think people who break the law shouldn't be punished then?
Oh geez, haven't heard that one from you before. Could you be any more intellectually lazy? Actually forget I asked, I don't want you to accept that challenge (not that you can probably help it).
A bit condescending from someone who seems to be claiming the high ground Junkseller. Its not very intellectual to be condescending is it? All that university education and people only have to b condescending to show their intellect.Well i never....
SS, Caleb changed their reply. Originally it was just "best...can do," which is lazy and a repeat for them. To the point, good/bad is different from lawful/unlawful. Very few of us are Judge Dredds. We are selectively rigid based on goodness/badness.
Of course they should not be rewarded. But, the politicians are attempting to reward them so they can buy votes. Rules are rules, except when a politician gets involved, then they are simply something that must be changed to buy votes.
This is a very complex question. People emigrate for all sorts of different reasons and it would all depend on their personal circumstances. I personally believe that there should be a global community in which everyone can live wherever they want to, and that money should be more equally distributed. However, I'm aware that that is an idealized view. I think immigrants should be given opportunities in a country whether they're illegal or not, and it is up to them as to what they do with those opportunities. If they have come to harm a society, such as people who have extremist views, then they should be deported back to where they have come from. But if a person works for several years in a country and makes positive contributions to that country, then they should most definitely be eligible for citizenship.
Actually it's not that complex. People who come to the US illegally, use our resources, and work outside of the law are engaging in criminal activity. American citizenship is not a RIGHT for all people...it's something earned through proper channels.
American citizenship is a right as we define it to be. It is not immutable.
No, I think when you have someone that has done something illegal, whatever it is - then to reward them is a slippery slope and not a good idea. It is rewarding crime.
Solely based on the economic status of the USA today - the answer is no!
With the current debt, the revenue budget deficit, and no solution in sight for the lack of jobs for the millions of college graduates who are American citizens there is no way to provide a suitable solution to the illegal immigrant problem other than send them packing.
The nation should eliminate the burden of the illegal immigrant so that the college debts of all American citizens can be forgiven. Through a 1% consumption tax, the USA could begin to profit once again and start rolling towards recovery. This would require elimination of the income tax completely. It would allow no deductions, no dependents, and no special accounting tricks.
It would be applicable to all commercial transactions regardless of product or service provided. It would be applicable to all commercial transactions via the internet. It would be applicable to all corporations, partnerships, sole-proprietorships, in other words everyone. No exceptions through exemptions.
With this tax, it is estimated that the USA could eliminate the current $16 trillion in debt in 3 to 4 years.
After that time, the USA would then be making a profit which would equate to a shareholder dividend. These earnings would be distributed to all working citizens using a reverse allocation (lowest earning individuals get the greatest return while the highest get the least).
This will take an amendment to the Constitution to eliminate the income tax and establish a specific citizen centered tax amendment that would limit the spending of the revenue to 30 to 35 % of the 1% earned.
This will take more than the corrupt politicians because under this 1% rule, the citizens should restrict the sessions of congress to 4 sessions per year (1 per quarter, each 10 days in length). Along with this, the citizen must restrict the President's role in spending to the tune of a budget equal to 1/10th percent of the total federal budget of 30 to 35 % of the revenue. In addition, the President will be required to submit all appointees to the Congress for approval which would then be handled during the 10 days in session. Special Congressional Sessions would be for acts of war. And, to cover this possibility, all citizens 18 to 55 would be assigned to guard or reserve units unless they possess a health problem that would keep them from serving. citizens desiring exemption from direct war duty would be assigned to health units. ProActive.
No, it is not fair to reward them for jumping the queue, when others have followed procedure, and often waited for years to obtain their new status. What kind of a message does it send to people who follow the laws of the new country? Now they should be rewarded for illegal actions? No.
Illegal Immigrants should be able to work toward a path to citizenship. I don't think it should be simply given for free and immediately because there are channels in place for legal citizenship already. They shouldn't be put ahead of those in line.
Perhaps make the legal path for citizenship a bit more flexible and expedient especially for educated immigrants without a criminal history.
If there are extenuating circumstances such as flight for life possibly - but then they would apply as refugees. I think on the whole no because it sets up a slippery slope. I am however not black and white on the answer and believe in certain circumstances wiggle room is important.
I want to hear from the Native Americans on this one! I'm pretty sure they didn't give my ancestors the okay when they arrived from Scotland and England, but so far I haven't been asked to leave. Okay, that sounded too flippant and jokey, but I do think that the USA is an amazing country made up of the locals and then all the people who came from other countries who wanted freedom to work and live and have a better life. I think illegal immigrants who are here and trying should be helped to learn the language, be legal, have rights, have insurance and driver's licenses and pay taxes. All the people I know in this situation would be fine with paying back fines (or whatever) if they could feel safe and keep learning.
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