Do you think that the number one cause of serial killing is pornography?
I just saw this interview on youtube of a man that I never knew before. He was executed before my birth. His name was Ted Bundy. He said in his interview (one day before his execution) that almost every serial killer that he had come across was influenced by the intensified versions of pornography that corrupted their minds. Do you guys agree with it or not.? Because I had always considered child abuse as the number one cause of serial killing.
As far as I've read, Bundy attributed his crimes to both media violence and pornography, which stimulated and increased his need to kill. But the need was already there. Criminologist Eric W. Hickey describes a model which states that the development of a serial killer begins with an early trauma, which is followed by various facilitators (which can be drugs, alcohol, violence, abuse, pornography, etc.)
Even though Bundy said that in an interview, he also came from a more or less unstable childhood, and had resentment towards his mother for not telling him the truth about who his father was.
Yes you are right that many childhood factors can facilitate such actions. But is pornography at the top of such factors?
And despite Bundy's mother lied to him, he had a stable childhood. Such actions can't alone be justified by such a lie.
Bundy always spoke well of his grandparents, who raised him, but it is said that finding out the truth about his parents was a traumatic event and that he always had resentment towards his mother. But also, I'm not saying this justifies his actions.
He came to know of his mother after attaining maturity, so this incident can not be a part of his early trauma. And yeah his actions can't be justified in any manner.
"stable childhood"? His "father" was a nasty drunk. His mother pretended to be his sister (no matter when that is learned it's life changing). So all that goes out the door and you just see porn as the cause?
So this means we all can be killers (because something will change our life ) irrespective whenever it happens. And the identity of his father has never been determined with certainty. Bundy never saw him. how can this be influential?
Which is why I wrote "father". I was referring to his grandfather who said he was his father. Your logic implies anyone who watches porn is at risk for becoming a serial killer. Abuse isn't an excuse, but it is fact most serial killers are abused.
i don't believe that he was told that his grandfather is his father.
If you don't believe it doesn't mean that its not true.
He grew up believing his grandmother and grandfather were his real parents. Also believing his real mother was his sister.
But the man (Bundy) himself said in his interview "i have never seen any serial killer who has not had a record of pornography".
So you are using a quote from a serial killer to make a large generalization about porn?
The real cause is low self worth. A desire for attention and a sensitive ego due to disrespect. Everything else is not a true cause. Porn is a billion dollar industry. It has helped a millions with sexuality. Where are the one million serial killers?
How has pornography helped millions? It surely has corrupted a million teenagers.
It has liberated people from guilt and shame about sex, instilled by ancient religions. It taught them more ways to enjoy and appreciate sex, which is natural. It also removed boredom from long term, routine relationships that would have ended.
It made people shameless. It has made our young generation lazy. Its against religion. Give me one verse from ur religion that supports pornography.
Because of pornography, serial killing is a curse from ALLAH.
Very few religions will support sexual freedom because they are too locked into the brainwashing from self appointed authority. Basically any pleasure is evil. It takes wisdom to break free of oppressive teachings. Bound or freedom are the choices.
If this is the case. EVEN SERIAL KILLING IS A FREEDOM. Its your choice to kill or not. Feel Free to kill.
Sex is legal, killing is not. Can you understand the difference?
Sex is legal. But when they show rape in a porn movie . It is not .
You realize that in porn everyone are actors right? So those people aren't actually being raped.
But these movies give this impression to the general public that these pornstars are being raped. Thus motivating them to do the same.
But anyone with half a brain KNOWS it's fake, therefore the porn itself can not be blamed.
Many other movies (other than pornography) are also FAKE. But even then they inspire many people. And thus pornography also motivates many people.
Serial killers are mentally ill! Movies don't make people mentally ill. They are born that way. People who look for "outside reasons" for their choices and behavior refuse to take responsibility for their actions! It's a cop out.
If you really believe that "Serial killers are mentally ill and that "They are born that way", then they would have done the same actions even if they had not been subject to child abuse too. nothng could influnce nothng. evrything would be natural.
You seem to have little knowledge of mental illness, so I will leave this conversation now. Feel free to have the last word. There is no getting you to look at another perspective so I will move on.
You are just taking pornography easy and it is easy to understand. Because other sexual crimes (eg cheating) are so embedded in our lives that we tend to neglect pornography totally. But i appreciate your time here peeples.
No, I believe that that type of pornography is something that sociopaths turn to because they are deviant. For instance, if a "normal" person watches pornography that is filled with say, torture, they'll be likely to get sick to their stomach and stop watching because it is completely outside of what they can accept into their lives. Conversely, those who are fascinated by it are attracted because it keys in to their already existing fantasies OR it keys in to some aspect of control or violence that replicates a past experience in some way in their mind (feelings of helplessness, for instance.)
We wont be sick to our stomachs and stop watching. Such porngraphy unconsciously builds such actions into the minds of young generation. Its the most sickest kind of 'brainwashing'. Such movies feed new ideas into the minds of teenagers.
shahkar-khan, why do you ask for opinions and then tell people you think they are wrong? This question seems to be your way of expressing YOUR opinion, not finding out what others think.
Sorry if i gave that impression. I just think that we are taking pornography way too easy.
Dr. Henry Howard Holmes, was one of the first documented American serial killers in the modern sense of the term. In Chicago at the time of the 1893 World's Fair. While he confessed to 27 murders, of which four were confirmed, his actual body count could be as high as 200.
This was way before there was anything close to modern day pornography. There have been studies that have shown many serial killers started torturing and killing animals while they were children.
Our society is always looking for a "common denominator" to either explain or predict human behavior. I suspect every serial killer has his or her (own) "triggers" that caused them to kill their first victim. Afterwards their actions take on a life of it's own as they read about their exploits or watch news reports which feeds their ego and drives them to be more spectacular/notorious with each new kill as they chase fame.
If they're given a nickname such as "The Night Stalker", "The Zodiac Killer", "The Green River Killer", or "Boston Strangler" they become immortalized as if they were some comic book villain.
When they're apprehended it's almost a cliché to hear their unknowing neighbors proclaim: "He was a loner, quiet, and kept to himself." Maybe they kill to draw attention from a world that was unkind to them and never made them feel welcome.
porngraphy's golden age was 1970s-80s.
90% serial killers belong to the same era 1970s onwards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_se … ted_States
is it enough to justify you?
You could easily say violence on TV contributes to serial killing, eating cold cereal, too much sugar in a diet, or whatever. Serial killers are individuals with their own motives. Billions of people watch porn and never kill a single person.
Porn industry also includes body-sellers and night-bars. 90% serial killers attack them because they are an easy target. There are other factors but porn-industry is playing its ''vital role'' as well.
We look for whatever it is (we don't like) and try to attach it to being the cause of society's ills. If one hates porn they'll ignore that billions of people watch it without killing anyone. Serial killers are a tiny % of mentally ill people.
Only 16% - 20% of victims were prostitutes in 1970's, not 90%.
maybe 20% were prostitutes. another 20% might be due to porn movies. Another 20% might be due to another sex-related issue. This will add up to more than 90% eventually.
This is so true. Serial killers are either sociopathic or psychopathic in personalities. They have no remorse, very low or no empathy level, and/or have no sense of right& wrong. Many factors infl. serial killers such as child abuse/neglect.
Just because you dislike porn and find one or two who watched it does not equate the two. Serial killers form based on genetics and childhood environmental factors. This is fact not really open for variance. Over 70% suffered from severe childhood trauma which in normal population causes mental illness. 46% admitted families with sexual problems. 33% had families with drug abuse problems. 42% were physically abused. 74% were psychologically abused. 43% were sexually abused. 73% were put into sexually stressful events as children (ex:watching mom have sex). The number one cause of serial killers is crappy parenting mixed with mental instabilities that are already present before even fully grown. I advise if you really want to know anything about the causes, percentages, and real numbers of when serial killers existed that you read the (yes the actual books) Serial Killer Encyclopedias. These have the facts on all serial killers that were throughout history, in countries other than just USA. There are always between 35 and 300 (yes a wide range since some countries refuse to connect murders) active serial killers in the world.
Your percentages don't even add-up to hundred? I don't understand your point at all. You have mentioned that 162% serial killing is influenced due to sex (46%+43%+73%). ????
It doesn't add up to a hundred because it is OUT OF A HUNDRED. Most of them have overlapping (multiple things happened to each of the serial killers) abuse. They were that abused usually.
peeples dear i was very touched when i read in ur profile that u r a long-term sexual abuse survivor. Don't u think that ur incident makes ur reply a bit biased by saying that s.killers r abused in past. I mean you survived without being a s.killer.
Childhood is the most delicate time to infringe a person's mind. Childhood abuse can go a long way while morphing our personality. Serial Killing can also be a result on child abuse. I agree with peeples.
It's not biased, it's all fact based. I have studied it far more than I probably should. Facts are that more are abused than aren't. Mix that with genetic influences that I thankfully must not have and it's a recipe for disaster.
Its not the pornography but rather repressed sexual desires. Freud and Wilhelm Reich had studies on the subject. The repression causes anger and frustration due to unfulfilled desires. If they have a criminal mind or mental illness that amplifies it.
Repressed Sexual Desires are in-turn also caused due to pornography. According to Meese Report pornography can cause depression, social isolation, career loss or decreased productivity, and financial consequences. Such factors lead to s.killing too.
THANK YOU, peeples. Couldn't have agreed w/you more.
Every human being has his/her own perceptions and that is why our behavior is so unpredictable. For some pornography might be a motivating factor but for others it might not be the case. Every person is not the same. But i do watched a video on youtube in which James Deen pointed out that the reason for producing such intense porn videos was that the public demands such videos. This means that intense pornography is much demanded nowadays.
This depicts that we humans are becoming aggressive with every passing day. Which goes to show that serial killing (irrespective of any factor) or in general our aggressive behavior is increasing day by day.
I don't think it was the cause of their desires as much as it was the effect of their desires.
Absolutely... Many studies have consistently proved that pornographic addiction is the gateway to a a life of social deviance... Most criminals first started breaking away from mainstream society on account of their severe addiction to pornography. Over time, merely watching videos did not satisfy them and they craved for something harder and more physical, and in time, even that failed to satisfy, and they entered a serious crime.
Pornography is all about using another for self gratification, even at the cost of the other, and that is also the spirit behind a large number of murders.
Pornography also clouds reason, and as a result, it results in ill-advised actions. Combined with drug/alcohol abuse, it is a terribly destructive force. I have watched the entire Bundy video myself, and everything he mentions is true. Pornography wrecks the lives of promising young people by encouraging unreasonable expectations.
I would not believe a word Bundy says because it all fits in the pattern of manipulative tactics. From http://hub.me/a5I5n
Playing the innocent victim
This is the person who makes other people feel sorry for them.
I just finished reading the book "Fear Up Harsh" by Tony Lagouranis about Abu Ghraib. Read the book and see how it is all about Power & Control, not getting information, confession or sexual jollies.
Considering how much money the porn industry makes (in modern day society) it's unlikely it has any notable contribution to serial killers. Otherwise, the U.S. population would be mostly serial killers. With the spread of the internet, more and more people are exposed to adult content. While gun deaths are a major problem for the U.S. they aren't coming from murderers like Ted Bundy. Men and women who can be classified as 'serial killers' have much deeper psychological issues that are independent from the media they consume.
That's not to say that watching a large amount of porn won't have an affect on the viewer. But that affect is more likely to skew their view of sex rather than give them a desire to kill.
lol. Even if you separate killings due to 2nd amendment. Serial killings in USA are more than any other country. Prove this stat wrong.
There is no silver bullet for any problem. One can block all the pornography in the world and there will still be serial killers.
No, I don't. I believe that serial killers are narcissistic individuals that have already abandoned empathy for others. Killing enables them to feel powerful, sometimes even omnipotent. They may use pornography, video game violence, literature or even religious or philosophical ideals to hone their brand of narcissism, but these things are only a psychological excuse to carry out their behavior.
Agree with you. But more often than not, such a psychological excuse happens to be pornography (or broadly sex related).
That may have been true at one time, but if details of more recent serial killings are true I would say video violence has overshadowed sex-related excuses.
what kind of video violence are you referring to?
Violence such as murder-for-hire, gang shootings, turf wars, mercenary killings. A few titles that come to mind: Call of Duty, Grand Theft Auto and Mafia.
Video Violence can be cured via a control of 2nd Amendment issue, whilst pornography should be totally stopped. But sadly both the issues are subject to lobbying etc. The stakeholders of billion $ industries wont let that happen.
They are either SOCIOPATHIC or PSYCHOPATHIC.
the is evidence that Ted Bundy invented the porn thing as a last resort to try to evade his sentence
other than that I don't know since porn use has resulted in less cases of rape, so I don't know about serial killers
No, the number one cause is ego.
Ego is the source of all evil.
Ego is separateness and selfishness. Ego leads to bank theft, pornography, murder, suicide, self-righteousness, pride, genocide and much more.
I don't understand how ego is related to this question.?
I do. Mr. Star is saying that many serial killers do it to get noticed and to have a better sense of themselves.They believed that they were insignificant in some way and that by doing these heinous acts, they will have some type of notoreity.
Had serial killers done such acts for notoriety, they would have confessed for their acts themselves. But most of them never confessed until they were caught and coerced. But u are right, the element of notoriety behind such acts can't be undermined.
Not in Bundy's case. He was a liar, and used that excuse to gain sympathy. He was putting on a show in that video. I used it in one of my hubs, in fact. That being said, pornography doesn't help. Primarily, it causes men to disrespect women, depending upon the amount of their daily viewing.The following is a pdf from the findings of Dr. Mary Layton about this subject and also, how women who work in strip clubs are at the highest risk for violence by men than any other group of women besides prostitutes.
http://www.kslegislature.org/li/b2013_1 … _other.pdf
Pornography aside, Bundy had an anti-social disorder (to say the least). He was very depraved. That being said, I despise pornography, but I don't think it necessarily makes serial killers, but it does make men more calloused. If you read the pdf, you'll have even more reason to agree.
I agree with you that pornography causes men to disrespect women. Plus i believe that females who are part of porn-industry disrespect themselves too. They make females less self-respective.
True about prostitutes & strippers, yet the fact is most of them were sexually abused as young girls. And indeed, according to Dr.Layton, men do become more aggressive toward women if they view pornography habitually. So I do see your point, shah
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