The Havana Tribune, a state-controlled Cuban newspaper, has publically insulted

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   RJ Schwartzposted 8 years ago

   The Havana Tribune, a state-controlled Cuban newspaper, has publically insulted Obama, thoughts?
   
   Following Fidel Castro’s scathing criticism of President Obama upon his departure from the island, an editorial, the title of which refers to President Obama as “negro,” an opinion columnist has accused him of “inciting rebellion.”  The article is titled “Negro, ¿Tu Eres Sueco?” which roughly translates to “Black Man, Are You Dumb?”
   
   

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   lovemychrisposted 8 years ago

   Eh, I think it's a figure of speech over there. It's not like here, with the history of racism (that I know of)
   Asking if he's dumb is another story. They'll find out to their own detriment. You can say he's a lot if things...dumb isn't one of them. I just wonder if that reporter would be able to criticize Castro in that way? My guess would be no. But as far as the figure of speech, im much more offended when people say he hates Americs, or calls him the anti christ, say he's a Kenyan terrorist, etc. But I do wonder what the reporter meant by inciting rebellion. That's one story I have not followed, and am completely ignorant of. If it's a rebellion against Castro, a lot of people would be all for that.

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Esquire magazine Why Obama Really Went to Cuba...Oh yeah!  Tha Man.

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      Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      So tell us why Esquire thinks he went to Cuba.

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      tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      No doubt Esquire was told by the Obama Admin exactly what to put in the article.The article's premise is a joke & it is a total ruse of phony rationalizations.Even worse if that is actually BO's reasoning he's more clueless than thought.

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      Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      My guess is some PR firm was paid a few million to write that article.  Way too much fluff and Obama worship to be real.

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Jeff Flake: "economic change can lead to political change. It's part of Republican orthodoxy! Lift the ban" He went with Obama to Cuba, agrees with him. Guess the.old geezers are too stuck in the past. Obama is the future.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      The Cubans are ridiculing Obama - They hate blacks in Cuba and keep them oppressed - Obama coming insulted them and they gave him both barrels letting him know how much of a waste his trip was.

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Let them. I support the president of the USA. And the Americans who dont can have my one finger salute. "Up your nose with a rubber hose" --Barbarino

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      tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Well that was original!

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yo Vinnie !!!

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Just showed that to my grandson. "Ba ba ba ba ba barino" hahaha. "Sit on it" was a big insult. What innocents we were. Sheeeesh

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Leslie, I know you really like Obama as our President and that is fine.  I'm just curious if you could tell us what exactly he has done in the last 7 years that has made your life better?  My own economic situation has gone downhill.

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       tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       LMC doesn't really like Obama, she's stuck with him (and sHrilliary), just like the rest of the Democrats, because she hates everyone else on the other side, she has to like him and/or sHrilliary, anyone but the republicans.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       He gave me $400 credit on federal taxes. He believes in my right and ability to make decisions in my own life. He signed equal pay for women. He stopped a war on Iran. He's cautious and smart on nukes. He smiles a lot and is kind. I like him there.

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Leslie, other than the $400 bucks tax credit you got back we could debate forever on the other accomplishments you listed.  I and many others feel the Iran nuke deal was a disaster that will come back to bite us all.

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       tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Leslie,How has his belief in ur right&ability to make decisions directly affected ur life?Nada!How have u benefited from the LillyLedbettereAct?Ur salary go up?NO!Iran=failHe smiles a lot and is kind?Warm fuzzies floats ur boat,that's deep.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Why don't you tell me how he's ruined your life? How is he personally responsible? And how are my warm and fuzziez  not valid? Have you seen the adoration verging on cult for Trump and Sanders? Plz. You swoon over Bibi. Yuk

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Leslie, I hate to tell you this but the "Earned Income Credits" has become one of the most abused welfare systems we have.  It is really just a form of income sharing that is not closely monitored.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       It's not earned income credit, it's something else. Just lops off 400 of your taxable income. And you haven't said what he has done to ruin your life. Unless I just have to keep answering, and you never do?

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Leslie these comments only allow 250 characters.  Not enough room to answer your questions.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Imagine what you would say if I gave that answer to you. This forever cuts off your privilege to ask me anything. I guess you dont do twitter. Sharpens your whits, try it.

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       tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I'll tell you how what Obama has done that affects my life and the lives of every citizen of this country http://www.naturalnews.com/052427_Obama … ation.html That's what your warm fuzzies gets you!

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Ugh, such right wingery. Well, that is your view. And at least you can spout it without being called an America hater. And you can't include every American, because every American doesn't feel that way. Only those like you. No better, no worse. USA

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       That was a typical liberal answer to my comment Leslie.  But then I guess you could tell us all of Obama's accomplishments with only 250 characters.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I did my best when you asked! Won't make that mistake again.

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       tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Those are the facts leslie, not feelings. How every or any American feels either way is irrelevant, feelings can't change or even dispute the facts.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       My facts are Obama care has saved lives, he's deported more immigrants than anyone, he's killed more terrorists than Bush, and to say he's created racial divide is flatulance. Not his fault he's black and whites don't like it.

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       tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       He hasn't deported more, WP not a right wing paper but seriously left wing, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mon … tatistics/ Racial divide?He's done NOTHING to lessen itFACT

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Leslie you are in complete denial of the truth.  There are many sources of facts available to prove you wrong on the things Obama and his administration have not done.  He has set back race relations by about 50 years.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       All I asked is how he has hurt you personally. Just like to you asked me what he has done for me. I answered, in my own words, not a link to someone else. You however, said you cant answer in 250 letters. I say cop out. So, no obligation 4 me anymore

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Leslie, Let's start with Obamcare.  I was not able to keep my doctor as promised by Obama, and my healthcare costs have more than tripled.  Both of my daughters were cut to less than 30 hours per week employment because of Obamacare.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Do you or they live in Republican controlled state?

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       What does that have to do with it?  These are Federal laws.  One daughter lives in Washington which is Democrat controlled.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Republican governers have refused to expand medicaid, or set up exchanges...key components in aca. They are deliberately sabotaging it. And if your daughters bosses won't pay for medical, blame them. Aca for employees not applied to small biz.

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Did they not think allowing that 30 hour exemption would result in people getting cut to part time.   Millions of employees have suffered.  I blame Obamacare for this.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I dont. I worked for a company years ago back when full time was 40 hrs. They always made sure I never worked a full time week. My company now has good bennies, but terrible pay. It never changes. It's the unwillingness to share, not the aca, imo.

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I don't.   We're those skilled jobs you worked?  I always made good money but those were skilled jobs, hard, dirty, and dangerous.  Most employers are willing to pay well for skilled labor.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Yes! I have 30 yrs experience in it. And im hoping this new job will realize the value and pay a little more. April will tell. But, even unskilled jobs used to be able to meet the cost of living.The balance is WAY out of line, now. $22 an hr shld be!

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Maybe you need to sell your skills to another company who pays more.  That is all any of us do is sell our time and skills.  You might as well sell to the highest bidder.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Oh,I know there are good ones out there,the point is, they ALL used to be that way! They used to compete for good bennies to attract good help! I know they're out there, I'll leave it to young people I just want tosurvive.Boss bonus tied 2 cost down.

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I remember when employers tried to steal skilled employees from other companies.  The problem now is there are just too many people competing for the same job.  That gives the employer far more leverage than when there is a labor shortage.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Agree! Supply and demand. But, my daughter has a great job with AT $T. Verizon, Google all have super jobs, if you can get in. Comcast here, good paying, lifetime jobs. And IT. It's not all lost, it's turning around. (I think)

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Let's hope it is turning around.  Fortunately I am retired and don't have to put up with it anymore.

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       RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       He's just a weak president, polarizing, divisionary, and certainly not American minded - globalist with larger ambitions

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   tsadjatkoposted 8 years ago

   
   
   I read that “Negro, ¿tú eres sueco?” can also be taken to mean that Obama is an “Oreo cookie,” that he is black outside but white inside! even more insulting. Either way, where is Black Lives Matter and the Black Congressional Caucus when Cuba's media is so insulting? The Cuban media attacks our first black president (well half black anyway) with “a slur” & the same government detains black dissidents.
   
   Well I guess it's not like the Cuban media is as bad as Fox News, right?
   
   Ah well, it brings to mind what Benjamin Franklin said, when you lie with dogs you get fleas. Perhaps the "constitutional scholar" we know as Barack Obama should have read a little more of old Ben's wisdom and skipped pretending to be Abraham Lincoln.
   
   If you lie down with dogs, you will get up with fleas. End of story.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      A common phrase used by Cuban revolutionaries: “Negrada–which means, literally, a group of black people–came to signify a screw-up, a f*cked-up affair. ¡Que negrada! became as common as hustling foreigners

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      LoliHeyposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Tsad, Black Lives Matter only cares about one thing: shutting down the police and sticking up for thugs.  But only if they are shot by white police officers. They don't really care about real issues concerning blacks.

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Lol at that conment!

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   Old Poolmanposted 8 years ago

   Other than getting to watch a baseball game with Castro, what was the intent of this expensive trip we taxpayers paid for?
   
   If it was published anywhere I didn't read what Obama hoped to accomplish with his, and his whole family's, trip to Cuba?  Perhaps he thought he could convince Castro to stop all the human rights violations that are a way of life in that country?  Or perhaps he admires their form of government and wanted to see first hand how Castro has total control of the citizens of Cuba?
   
   The fact that Castro didn't even meet him at the airport tells a big story.  That pretty well demonstrates the total disrespect Castro has for Obama.
   
   In my opinion the whole trip was a waste of time and taxpayer money.

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      gmwilliamsposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Can we say D-E-B-T and D-E-E-P-E-R   D-E-B-T?!

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      tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Here is that Esquire article. http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/ne … o-to-cuba/ When it starts with "what a masterful performer Obama is on the world stage" you know immediately it is TOTAL BS! About par for Esquire.

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      Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      That Esquire article was either written by Obama himself, or the President of the Obama fan club.  Unemployment down to 5%?  Give me a break.  We all know those numbers are flat out lies and manipulation of data.

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      tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Well if there is anything like that Esquire article out there you know who is going to bring it up here! Desperate times call for desperate measures, the "MAN" is going down.

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   RJ Schwartzposted 8 years ago

   I woke up this morning to find one of my best Hubs unpublished for Hate Speech - 93 hub score and 400 views in a week, plus it was at the top of the most popular hubs on the main page for a few days.   I feel like a target is painted on my back by the censorship happy Liberals on hubpages - I guess what ever they determine can be judged as hate speech, which by the way is also known as free speech.  So someone didn't like the truth being printed and they get it banned- sounds a bit ominous of another former world leader.
   Wait until my next hub - it's gonna be a doozy

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Sounds like a bit of karma is reaching the hub.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Real nice Leslie....

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It's the truth Ralph. I can name a few liberals  who have been silenced permanently for MUCH less than I see every day poured out here by those on the right. I keep wondering when anyone is ever going to do anything about it. It's rampant in forums.

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      tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Watch it Ralph,saying"real nice"like that to Leslie could be considered hate speech.If she could even name one of those "liberals who have been silenced permanently for...less' I can tell you now,if they even exist,they were whacked.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I've always made it a point to never censor anyone's comments and when it gets done, its an injustice to our way of living.  People who don't like what an author writes should just avoid them, not try to get their work banned.

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      Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Leslie - Are you saying that nobody from the Left writes things on Hub Pages to spread hate and dissatisfaction?  You just named the Right but completely ignored the Left.  I see it happen from both sides.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Mike - the left dishes it out hard, but the difference is that we on the right can take it while they run to a moderator to censor what we say...boo hoo hate speech

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      FitnezzJimposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Hate Speech - (verb-noun) - describes the attitude of the closed minded towards those who disagree with them.  The term is often wrongly interpreted due to a predisposition to interpret the two words as noun-noun.
      
      

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I think the whole idea of calling something hate speech is rooted in censoring them, nothing more - how its applied is so non-standard. Rap song about killing cops OK, someone anti gay marriage - hate speech

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       FitnezzJimposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Yup.  I suppose I could have added that the term is sometimes a convenient short-form of speaking whose full meaning is 'I hate it when you speak'.
       So, concur, it is one of the tactics of censoring, without using the word 'censored'.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       No,I'm saying people from the left get reported and banned.That's why I was surprised that Ralphs hub was unfeatured. Usually hillary or obama bashing is given free reign,while other subjects are off limits for criticism.It does feel like u a targe

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       Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Leslie - I have never seen that happen but then I don't normally follow hubs from hard-core lefties.  I suppose it is true though the way things have been going on here.  That is exactly why I quit writing hubs.

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       lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I'm talking hubs, forums, questions, posting thoughts on frontpage, everything.I'd go back to writing hubs once mycomputer is fixed.Can't do by phone.But you are right --you wonder who's reading them, and if they don't like you...then what?Who runsit

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   junkoposted 8 years ago

   I don't think the use of the word Negro was written in the Cuban press to insult The President. The President is never insulted abroad as in America openly. The President isn't now has never been Negro. The President's wife and family are and were called Negroes, because of their history of being American Slaves. Cuba had an African Slave Trade History also and since the history culture and language were brain washed out of slaves they all became Negroes. James Brown said," say it loud I am Black and Proud". President Obama is an African American in the purest sense of the words and he can trace his family history back hundreds of years on his Father and Mother side of his family. Few Negro have that ability. So i think it was just a mis-print or misinterpetation by some Americans. During the Cold War many Cuban soldiers died in Africa fighting White Colonialism so a Black African President can be something Cubans can have pride in, not be disrespectful of.

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      Old Poolmanposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Nice try Leslie.   Put your poor me hat away for awhile and think about how limited 250 characters really are.

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I have the same limited characters and gave you the respect of answering you. Agree with you, Junko. Cubans have different concept on race.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      It was a direct quote - nothing personal but it was meant as an insult

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      tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Junko How is a person whose mother and mother's whole family background is white be an "African American in the purest sense of the words?"Al Sharpton said he wasn't an authentic "black man"

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      tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "When black Americans refer to Obama as 'one of us', I do not know what they are talking about," wrote the African-American columnist Stanley Crouch. "He has not lived the life of a black American"

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      junkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      TSAD its SAD when you have to call on a black man you disagree with and dislike like Al Sharpton to try to dis my comment. As far as what Al has to say , he is in agreement with my comment that The President is not Negro. Stanley&You knows too no

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      tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Neither I nor Al said anything about the word Negro. You said he"is an African American in the purest sense of the words" Both Al and Stanley, people I bet you admire, said he isn't, plain and simple in black and white, read it!

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      junkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      TSAD its SAD your understanding is so BAD. The Cuban Press and I mentioned the word negro FYI and the education of all your misinterpreters In other words Al and Stanley is saying The President is not and cannot be or be called a Negro. Understand?

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I dont. I worked for a company many years ago, before aca, back when full time was 40 hrs. They always made sure I never worked a full time week. My company now has good bennies, but terrible pay. It is the unwillingness to share, not the aca. Imo

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       RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Would you two stop - the question isn't about Obamas mulatto mixture, but how you view the insult

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       tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Ralph I'm just pointing out that Junko's explanation of his view that it was not insulting, which is illogical to start with, is based on his disjointed  and false statements which he can't even justify but chooses to attack me instead.

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       junkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I expressed my view of the supposed insult and so doing rejected the idea of an insult. i expressed why I rejected the idea and gave my reasons for my disagreements, not expecting agreement with my disagreement.It is only my opinion,TSAD has his also

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       tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Junko, it is sad,
       
       all you have to say is bunko.

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       junkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       TSAD what are you trying to say about junko. I don't understand your compliment or insult. I hope you are not trying to be mean spirit We should play nice and be respectful because this is America not Cuba and you and I are Americans, right?

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       RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Black is considered the lowest of the social classes in Cuba - 97% of Cubans consider themselves white, even if they aren't due to the deep racism.

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       junkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Ralph Blacks are considered  the lowest class in US even South Africa. Maybe its because blacks were the only people legally declared less than human by whites. Those Cubans that claim to be white have more of a Moorish blood line than Anglo Saxon.

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       RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Agreed - not trying to denigrate blacks, just pointing out the fact that when this writer said what he did about our President, it was clearly an insult to both him and America

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       junkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Just because Our President when to Cuba things has been written and said negative and positive. I am sure people can find things to say on the dark side or light side. I don't jump up and down about and cast stones at our President He meant no harm

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       RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I disagree - an insult to our President is an insult to America

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       junkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Not so & you know its not since Obama. The whole world seen and heard the insults & disrespect of OUR POTUS by teaparty Repub. Because of the insults  Putin Netanyahu & maybe a Cuban have insulted our POTUS because WE do or y'all do becau

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       RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       We differ on opinion and I don't want to fight with you sir.  Let's just leave it at that.

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       junkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Spoken like a Gentleman and a Scholar. I'll stand down.

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       RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       I do appreciate you being part of the discussion - look forward to seeing you again on another thread

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       junkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       Guess there is no chance of my answer being selected best answer.

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       tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       @Junko,just to answer your question to me,yes we both r Americans.I was being just as respectful as you when you said "TSAD its SAD your understanding is so BAD"
       Junko, it is sad, all you have to say is bunko.was simply tit for tat. touche?

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       junkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

       TSAD no harm no foul I realized it was only tit for tat and I was just rhymin hoping to get you to reread and think about what I wrote before you question me about it. Iron sharpens iron and we should dialogue more .

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   FitnezzJimposted 8 years ago

   In response to your question, first thought was simply that they joined the crowd. 
   Second thought was that they probably have not yet empowered their freedom of speech to the point that they could insult members of the state of Cuba.
   I would offer for your consideration they are exercising their new found freedom in the safest way they can.

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      tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      What freedom have they found? Nothing has changed one iota in Cuba as far as human rights are concerned. They all have "freedom" to ridicule America and any of it's leaders, that freedom has always been bestowed by Castro so not freedom.

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Well, there's a crowd that likes obama, too. Even tho we get treated as if we don't matter. And the point is, change the economics, policy follows. Freedom has got to be better than cold war. People will demand it. "Republican orthodoxy" ;-)

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      tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      People been demanding it there for decades,now either in prison or escaped to America or dead.Your wishful analysis is just that,a wish,not gonna happen.Raul will see to it nothing changes except he&his cronies will get any&all the benefits!

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think so. I think all the old ways are dying everywhere. As I stated before, Obama is the future.

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      tsadjatkoposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Why do you think all the old ways are dying everywhere? Give me one example. Castro's old ways are dying? What has died?

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Obama is the future?  Is the cult of Obama going to take over the world next?  That's some real scary talk Leslie.

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      There is no cult of obama.He's been treated like crap.But he perseveres despite it.The cult figures are Trump and sanders,of whom I really really hope do not get anywhere near the presidency.Cool, calm and steady is the future, not hot headed bully.

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      RJ Schwartzposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, the cult of Obama is fully staffed by people who want to see America be simply a cog in the Global wheel instead of the best nation on earth; free people, free press, free to make our own rules

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   rajashahzadnasirposted 8 years ago

   The Havana Tribune, a state-controlled Cuban newspaper, has ... In an editorial, the title of which refers to President Obama as “negro,” an opinion columnist has accused him of “inciting rebellion. .... If you want to insult a black person "negro" is not the insult, the insult is what ever follows

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