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  1. repstrydiefly profile image66
    repstrydieflyposted 13 years ago

    There are two bills that are in progress in the Senate to pass a law banning all private internet usage!!

    They claim that it will help eliminate spamming for military and government purposes.

    We need to do something about this for our own good. Does anybody have any ideas??

    1. livelonger profile image90
      livelongerposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      roll Really? What bill numbers are they, or are they "secret bills"? (Or "invisible bills")

    2. tobey100 profile image60
      tobey100posted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Can't happen even if they pass the bill.  I've been in law enforcement almost 25 years.  Trained in Clarksburg Virginia, (FBI).  The only way to kill the web is to kill all communications.  Its been tried in several countries.  China, North Korea, Thailand, Iran, Iraq. Just can't be done.  They can make it difficult, they can censure the heck out of it,put a scare into many but they can't kill it.

      1. repstrydiefly profile image66
        repstrydieflyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Why would they pass the bill then? Would it just limit civilian personnel to certain websites?

        1. repstrydiefly profile image66
          repstrydieflyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Arthur-I agree. The government has been keep to many important aspects of their political plans "secret" and this is a problem that needs to be addressed and exposed to all of America and beyond.

        2. tobey100 profile image60
          tobey100posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          That would be the goal from what I've been able to gather.  Most of this initiative is still speculation.  I believe those pushing the agenda realize it's not possible.  We the people know to much already

    3. prettydarkhorse profile image56
      prettydarkhorseposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      This cant pass into second reading the HELL even the Senators and Congressmen goes to private sites,hehe

      Oh my goodness I never know this could even be drafted in this country, I am thinking of doing something maybe if you write your congressman by email or tell your neighbors about it, the more people will do it the better or there must be a signed petition, hmmm just wondering what could be done...

    4. Ralph Deeds profile image64
      Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      I don't believe your interpretation of the bills is correct. Suggest you read them before making wild claims.

      Official Summary
      4/1/2009--Introduced.Cybersecurity Act of 2009 - Directs the President to establish or designate a Cybersecurity Advisory Panel to advise the President. Defines "cyber" as:
      (1) any process, program, or protocol relating to the use of the Internet or an intranet, automatic data processing or transmission, or telecommunication via the Internet or an intranet; and
      (2) any matter relating to, or involving the use of, computers or computer networks.Directs the Secretary of Commerce to:
      (1) develop and implement a system to provide cybersecurity status and vulnerability information regarding all federal information systems and networks managed by the Department of Commerce; and
      (2) provide financial assistance for the creation and support of Regional Cybersecurity Centers for small and medium sized U.S. businesses. Requires the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) to establish cybersecurity standards for all federal government, government contractor, or grantee critical infrastructure information systems and networks. Makes NIST responsible for U.S. representation in all international cybersecurity standards development. Directs the Secretary to develop or coordinate a national licensing, certification, and recertification program for cybersecurity professionals and makes it unlawful to provide certain cybersecurity services without being licensed and certified. Requires Advisory Panel approval for renewal or modification of a contract related to the operation of the Internet Assigned Numbers Authority. Requires development of a strategy to implement a secure domain name addressing system. Requires the National Science Foundation (NSF) to support specified types of research and to establish a program of grants to higher education institutions to establish cybersecurity testbeds. Amends the Cybersecurity Research and Development Act to expand the purposes of an existing program of computer and network security research grants. Requires the NSF to establish a Federal Cyber Scholarship-for-Service program. Requires NIST to establish cybersecurity competitions and challenges to recruit talented individuals for the federal information technology workforce and stimulate innovation. Requires the Department of Commerce to serve as the clearinghouse of cybersecurity threat and vulnerability information. Grants the Secretary access to all relevant data concerning such networks notwithstanding any law or policy restricting access. Directs the President to:
      (1) develop and implement a comprehensive national cybersecurity strategy;
      (2) on a quadrennial basis, complete a review of the cyber posture of the United States; and
      (3) work with representatives of foreign governments to develop norms, organizations, and other cooperative activities for international engagement to improve cybersecurity. Requires the Director of National Intelligence and the Secretary of Commerce to submit to Congress an annual report on cybersecurity threats to and vulnerabilities of critical national information, communication, and data network infrastructure. Establishes a Secure Products and Services Acquisitions Board to review and approve high value products and services acquisition and establish validation standards for software to be acquired by the federal government.

      Here's the second bill S778

      Congressional Research Service Summary

      The following summary was written by the Congressional Research Service, a well-respected nonpartisan arm of the Library of Congress. GovTrack did not write and has no control over these summaries.
      Establishes, within the Executive Office of the President, the Office of National Cybersecurity Advisor. Requires the Advisor to serve as the principal advisor to the President for all cybersecurity-related matters.

      1. repstrydiefly profile image66
        repstrydieflyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Ralph- Have you researched John D. Rockefeller and the destruction he has done to society? and if you did, then don't you think Jay Rockefeller, who is related, would be trying secretly to block a "peasant's" access to legit information via the internet?

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          Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Maybe you should review Jay Rockefeller's voting record on matters of health care and workers' rights. Oh wait those would be facts. Might be painful to read.

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            WizardOfOzposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Facts, what THEY wrote down.

        2. Ralph Deeds profile image64
          Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          No, I don't. As Nelle Hoxie pointed out Jay Rockefeller is a liberal Democrat who bears no resemblance to his grandfather.

          1. repstrydiefly profile image66
            repstrydieflyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Ralph- what does liberal democrat have to do with anything? Whether you're a Democrat or whether you're Republican, you support the people that DISTORT the people under them...

    5. MikeNV profile image68
      MikeNVposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      It's all part of the New World Order Agenda.  The Rockefeller family is part of the Secret Banking elite that actually run the Government.

      Rockefellers donated the land to build the United Nations which is Anti Freedom.

      Just research the Seedy backdoor deals of Maruice Strong the man pushing the Global Warming Agenda.

      This is all tied together.  If you can shut off the internet at any time you can shut down the dissemination of information.

      This is no joke.  These types of Bills are full steam ahead for the NWO.  And this is very serious and Scary.

      If you trust your elected officials to do what is right for the people then you have a rude awakening coming.

      Rockefellers are very EVIL people and working hard to destroy the constitution.

      They present one face to the public then work their evil in darkness.

      Why is the Federal Reserve NEVER audited?  Expose the cockroaches to the day of light.

      There are a lot of ignorant uneducated people in this country.

      Gee that could never happen.  They would never do that.

      And they would never invade IRAQ under false pretenses.  And they would never give a blank check to Bankers. And they would never approve a North American Union.  And they would never...

      Wake the hell up.

      The very reason these proposals are taking place is due to the FACT that American Citizens are ignorant.

      The Government is walking all over you... and it's accelerating. Your rights and freedoms are being destroyed.

    6. DogSiDaed profile image61
      DogSiDaedposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      They wouldn't pass, don't worry. Even if they are real

  2. earnestshub profile image83
    earnestshubposted 13 years ago

    Source please? smile

  3. repstrydiefly profile image66
    repstrydieflyposted 13 years ago

    Bill numbers S773 and S778 by the Senate applies by Senator Jay Rockefeller of West Virginia. smile

  4. Uninvited Writer profile image78
    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    Sure, that'll happen smile

    1. profile image0
      zampanoposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      the market will never let that happen.
      and market rules.

  5. profile image0
    cosetteposted 13 years ago

    haha UW!! big_smile

  6. Arthur Fontes profile image77
    Arthur Fontesposted 13 years ago

    Some intern will write it into the healthcare bill while she is typing it.  Who knows what they are putting into 2500 pages of legislation?

  7. dave272727 profile image60
    dave272727posted 13 years ago

    I doubt seriously that this will get passed.  Too many people make money on the internet.  Sure there are scams and people who run them, but why not have the Government go after the guilty parties?  You can track an ip address.  So what is to stop them from just shutting it down without a bill?  Nothing.

    1. repstrydiefly profile image66
      repstrydieflyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      the authorities claim there is a problem with too many hackers, viruses, pornography sites, etc. that apparently are affecting the internet system that was originally intended for military in the first place. So they are practically saying,"we gave you your rights to utilize the service, but you have violated the terms so it is being confiscated."

      1. dave272727 profile image60
        dave272727posted 13 years agoin reply to this

        Didn't Dan Quayle invent the internet in his garage?  j/k

        I can see that, as the internet has many useful military applications.  Intelligence gathering and processing for one.  There is a classified internet.  There are sites that you can attempt to go to, but shouldn't.

  8. Richieb799 profile image65
    Richieb799posted 13 years ago

    I appreciate what your doing to inform people, the government would like to censor all forms of free speech, they don't like people speaking their minds in case it affects certain powerful people

    1. repstrydiefly profile image66
      repstrydieflyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      richieb- exactly, the elitists often feel violated when a "peasant" tries to expose their secrets to the world, so they will do whatever it takes to stop the truth from flowing from citizen to citizen.

  9. profile image0
    Audreveaposted 13 years ago

    If all Americans left cyberspace, it would be like an empty office over Christmas & New Year .. weird and too quiet.

    Maybe it would be become Eurocentric (or maybe Asia-centric)  & I'd need a second language?

    1. repstrydiefly profile image66
      repstrydieflyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      audrevea- lol I get what you are saying, because the majority of internet users reside in the US. It is no telling where the internet would be going from there. If the elitists go through with their plan for the New World Order, then I suspect they would eliminate ALL private internet usage, which is a scary thing to think about.

  10. Cagsil profile image73
    Cagsilposted 13 years ago

    If the Government can allocation a good enough reason, in the department of National Security, you can bet your a## that this will get passed.

    Don't worry about whether or not it can be done?

    The Government has passed other bills for less reasons. A prime example: The WAR on Drugs?  Did people seriously think that the Government was going to win the War on Drugs?

    It was passed so more freaking money can be authorized for Government agencies can absorb, and the politicians can line their pockets with more money.

    There is absolutely NO WAY for the Government to monitor every communication for the entire Internet.

    A prime example: GOOGLE the World's Largest Search engine only carries about 300 Million to 1 Billion Websites, blogs, Hubs or whatever(pages).  What many don't know is that there is 300 BILLION pages.  So, when you decide to start a business online, it is very difficult to get your business noticed, unless you're ranked highly on the TOP search engine. There are websites some search engines don't even list. You would have to go to the smaller search engines to find a different source.

    This cannot be allowed to happen! I say American citizens are NO longer protected and NEED Help. The only source available is other citizens.

    Okay, my rant is over with.  WAKE UP time!!! smile

    1. repstrydiefly profile image66
      repstrydieflyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Cagsil- thanks for providing your facts and information as I agree with them. These sheep need to wake up.

      1. Cagsil profile image73
        Cagsilposted 13 years agoin reply to this

        I am DONE standing by myself in this argument of TOO MUCH Government control of citizens' lives.

        This isn't a joke. I'm not directing this at you repstrydiefly, because we agree. It's everyone else in this damn forum, who lives in the U.S.A.

        Isn't it time for the citizens to do something, and I don't mean go to your congressmen/women and complain. That's not going to work. There needs to be a BUFFER between Government controlled by Business and the citizenry's lives. The citizenry needs to be able to speak to Government in ONE voice and I mean all of it, not just some poll taken, but a consensus of all citizens who are legal age to vote.

        That is the one of the goals I have for my company CAGSIL. And, yes, it's the same as my screenname.

        The American citizen is no longer protected against Government or Business. The violations of business practices and poorly regulated agencies, were the main cause for the downturn in the Economy. The extremely poor practices of business, lead to too many people over-extended. The fact that businesses did this on purpose, was to gain control of the property.

        Where now the banks themselves OWN about 75% of the properties underwater. This action has raped the citizenry of their homes, made many billions for the banks, left many out in the street.

        So....when do you think it's time to do something about it? smile

        Do let me know if you agree and willing to defend? I am gathering as many people as possible. And, when I have enough people who agree? We'll go from there. smile

        1. dave272727 profile image60
          dave272727posted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Sign me up

        2. Arthur Fontes profile image77
          Arthur Fontesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

          Let me Know what you need!

  11. mel22 profile image60
    mel22posted 13 years ago

    Actually, I think they already accomplished their goals with the " Switch to Digital" campaign this past year. It releived alot of bandwith by using digital while being able to get multiple broadcasts per channel while  freeing up the other bandwidth. Either vhf or UHF got the freed up bandwith they're talking about for fire, ems and local emergency systems interference.

  12. mel22 profile image60
    mel22posted 13 years ago

    ARPAnet was the original internet and i think they still use this revemped original system for military. They will probably operate on the freed up bandwith this past june. as far as "internet Patriot act" to shut down the higher bandwidth ( leaving only the lower military bandwith fro communications in an emergency is actually quite likely to happen but would only be in worse case scenarios. The first part has already been implemented by nonthreatening looking  govt coupons to buy the set top convertor boxes. now all tv and internet basically are running off the same cable without interfering with the lower bandwith that will be used for local and military use. They have now been effectively seperated and easy to implement a shut down if needed while maintaining necessary communications.

  13. mel22 profile image60
    mel22posted 13 years ago

    " Switch to digital" was Act one ,part two and three are these two bills  in front of congrees IMO

  14. mel22 profile image60
    mel22posted 13 years ago

    While the law itself does sound plausible in emergency only situations it could lead to internet takeover. on the other hand i wouldn't mind a one day shut down  kinda like a the world needs a "don't use your car for a day" to stop co2 emiissioons from hurting the planet.  Not sure where I stand on this bill yet ,but does sound like another "internet Patriot act" to me

  15. profile image0
    Nelle Hoxieposted 13 years ago

    okay let's get a grip. I should say that I don't agree with many parts of it. But you've got to give the clear view of when it would be implemented. It would only be allowed under the most extreme circumstances. It's not going to disconnect all private usage the day it's enacted - if it is.

    Here's a link that explains it Here's a response from the other side as shown on

    "I just talked to Jena Longo, deputy communications director for the Senate Commerce committee, on the phone. She sent me e-mail with this statement:

    The president of the United States has always had the constitutional authority, and duty, to protect the American people and direct the national response to any emergency that threatens the security and safety of the United States. The Rockefeller-Snowe Cybersecurity bill makes it clear that the president's authority includes securing our national cyber infrastructure from attack. The section of the bill that addresses this issue, applies specifically to the national response to a severe attack or natural disaster. This particular legislative language is based on longstanding statutory authorities for wartime use of communications networks. To be very clear, the Rockefeller-Snowe bill will not empower a "government shutdown or takeover of the Internet" and any suggestion otherwise is misleading and false. The purpose of this language is to clarify how the president directs the public-private response to a crisis, secure our economy and safeguard our financial networks, protect the American people, their privacy and civil liberties, and coordinate the government's response."

    In all reality, if a situation existed, where any president - Obama or Bush - thought they had to curtail private internet usage to prevent Armageddon - they would do it.

    Law or no law. I bet there is already a procedure in place to do it. Atleast part of me hopes there is.

    This wonderfully country of ours has always been a dynamic balance between indvidual freedom and security. That will continue and so will the debate.

  16. Cagsil profile image73
    Cagsilposted 13 years ago
  17. Uninvited Writer profile image78
    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    Because we all know that people feel exactly the way that their ancestors did about everything...

  18. Uninvited Writer profile image78
    Uninvited Writerposted 13 years ago

    Now where did I put my tinfoil hat?

    1. wyanjen profile image72
      wyanjenposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      You can order a new one at:

      ..unless they are using their fake "server not found" landing page again...

  19. jfreemon profile image61
    jfreemonposted 13 years ago

    I don't care what you say. Unless you can regulate private teleco industries to police the internet, it's impossible.

    For example, it's a proven fact you can learn chemistry on the internet. This knowledge can be used to produce a bomb. Should all knowledge therefore be filtered on the internet in the interest of safety?

    I'll say it's unlikely you answered "yes."

    However, if you answered, "well there shouldn't be instructions on how to mix those chemicals on the internet," then you just admitted you want information restricted.

    Yet another example is the Microsoft Flight Simulator. Buy the appropriate equipment and you can learn how to fly a Boeing 747. I'm pretty sure you can see what I'm implying here.

    The point is that for all the evil you can do on the internet, it's only a few drops compared to the wealth of information available.

    Any restrictions will end up in an Orwellian dystopia.

    Finally, notice one thing I haven't said. I didn't say, "They will never police the internet." Look at our friends in Australia, China and the other tens of countries with internet restrictions. It could very well happen to the United States.

  20. ChapmanHester profile image62
    ChapmanHesterposted 13 years ago

    If the government is trying to eliminate the internet it is for a reason... Lets think about this... If they are trying to manipulate people into thinking what they want them to think and cut you off from information because lets face it knowledge is power, then yes this would be a prime reason to do so... But not to worry we all "TRUST" our government to have "OUR" best interests at heart right?  Its laughable how nieve the public can be not to see what is going on right before their eyes.  The government is heading towards a New World Order, They are planning a Military coup of the world, and even has concentration camps set up for anyone who resists the new regieme.  Look around you... BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING... No really, look around!  Look at your daily life and tell me that something isn't right... You wake up, go to work, eat, and go to sleep just to start it all over again... Its slavery without the chains... You are enslaved by a system that doesn't even care if you live or die... You and Your Family are all there is for you and all there ever will be... Protect yourself and your family, there's a dark cloud comming and not many will survive...

    LOOK UP...

    Rex 84
    Agenda 21
    New world order
    Fema Concentration Camps

    if they don't open your eyes then you truly are blind!

    1. repstrydiefly profile image66
      repstrydieflyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      thank you for displaying the facts. But human beings have been programmed to follow garbage, so it will take a while for some to open their mind to the truth. It's actually quite sad.


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