Should Trump ban transgender troops in the military? Why or why not?

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   promisemposted 7 years ago

   Should Trump ban transgender troops in the military? Why or why not?
   
   

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   dashingscorpioposted 7 years ago

   
   
   I didn't realize there was a problem.
   According to news reports there are about 2500 on active duty and another 1500 reservists. It's not clear if such a ban would automatically kick them out and strip them of the veterans benefits they have earned over the years or if they would be grandfathered in. Very little thought was put into his tweet.
   It just seems like this is a distraction designed to change media headlines. I'm not sure if it's legally possible to discriminate against someone for being transgender under Title VII for any employer including the U.S. government.

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      lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Sessions says gay people have no protection under title 7. This adm is a white nationalist kleptocracy. Law of the jungle prevails. They stole power, now they can abuse it.
      Usa usa usa

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      ptosisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      It's a kakistocracy, government of a state by its most stupid, ignorant.

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      lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Cant argue w that....

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      promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      His timing is rather suspicious.

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   Readmikenowposted 7 years ago

   The military is not a place for social experiments.  Nobody talks about all of the problems that go with Transgender troops.  In many cases, they can't be deployed because their body needs  changes in their hormone treatments and more.  This would lead would harm a unit's combat readiness.
   When you are deployed, there will be times when you won't have too much food or water and you need to struggle.  What happens when, they don't have access to their drugs?  How about if they're captured?  Yes, other countries have transgender troops. Not any army that is the size, the scope or mission of the American Military.  It is also proven to cause harm with unit cohesion and more. Maintaining unit readiness, cohesion as well as ability to endure very difficult situations are too important.  I've seen the stores of the Navy SEAL who is transgendered...had the operation after they retired.  I think it was the right call.

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      promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I agree with your first sentence about any social experiments. I wonder about unit cohesion. But I don't know about access to drugs. Can't the same be said of troops with diabetes and other medical needs?

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      Readmikenowposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Scott many medical conditions will prevent someone from military service.  It includes everything from anemia to dental problems and more. Military service is NOT easy. http://www.military.com/join-armed-forc … tions.html

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      lovemychrisposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Why do i have to pay for some guy's  erectile disfunction?

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      lisavollrathposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      There are now 15,000 trans people serving. A 2016 study by the RAND Corporation found that allowing transgender people to serve openly would “cost little and have no significant impact on unit readiness.” This is a non-issue.

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      Readmikenowposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      15,000 transgendered are no in Military. From RAND study "The 2016 Rand study, titled "Assessing the Implications of Allowing Transgender Personnel to Serve Openly,estimates that between 1,320 and 6,630 of 1.3 million active duty MAY be transgender.

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      dianetrotterposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I would think diabetics should not be able to go to areas where there is combat.  I can think of monthly reasons women shouldn't be on the front line in combat.  Epileptics and other unpredictable conditions probably shouldn't be there either.

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      Hxprofposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      This is the absolute correct answer regards the this issue.  Kudos.

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      promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I think Diane has a great point. One standard should be whether a specific "condition" presents a risk to fellow military personnel in a combat situation.

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   Violets3posted 7 years ago

   I was originally against the ban..but then I did research about what can ban you from entering the military. Apparently, people like me, who need medication from mental illnesses such as ocd, adhd, austism, would not be able to join. Being transgender is a mental illness (gender dysphoria), and taking pills and being more prone to depression and suicide...I think it was the right thing to do.
   
   If we really cared for the transgender people, we wouldn't put them in situations that would escalate their mental health issues.
   
   I think Trump could have been smarter, by being less arbitrary...by possibly allowing transgender people - who underwent surgery already and are mentally stable - to work as meds or cooks....but maybe that could be added/fixed later...but either way, this wasnt, and did not feel like a "hate" ban.
   Minor research shows that there was legitimate reason...he didn't go about it the best way...but I have no real problem with it.

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      promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I also think Trump would have been smarter by talking about it with his generals and admirals before announcing it on Twitter. Republicans in Congress were caught by surprise too.

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      Aime Fposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Being transgender is NOT a mental illness, "gender dysphoria" refers to the *distress* that some individuals experience when there is conflict between how they identify and their assigned gender. Perhaps you should go beyond "minor research."

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      Readmikenowposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Aime, the World Health Organization (WHO) considers transgender identity a mental illness.  A number of psychologists think is is also. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nati … story.html

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      jo millerposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Gender dysphoria is not considered a mental illness.   Emotional problems, such as stress, anxiety, and depression, result only when the condition is not socially acceptable--like when a president decides they can't serve in the military.

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      promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Whether you like it or not, transgender is a "mental disorder" according to the American Psychiatric Associations.
      
      https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-fam … -dysphoria
      
      I'm not taking sides. Just stating a fact.

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      Violets3posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      People need to stop being perpetrators of the stigma of mental illness. The more you say we are not mentally ill, the more insulted we feel.
      We know something is wrong with us, and being diagnosed with it gives us the name for it and how to help us.

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      promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Disorder and illness are not the same thing.

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      Violets3posted 7 years agoin reply to this

      Are they not treated the same? When I google "Mental Illness list", I get all the disorders: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mental_disorders
      They are all under the same category..eating disorder and Schizophrenia are together. Can you explain?

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      promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      If I have an ongoing state of higher than normal anxiety, I have a disorder. But that doesn't mean I require treatment. If it is debilitating or life threatening, then I have an illness.
      
      Is transgender debilitating or life threatening?

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       Violets3posted 7 years agoin reply to this

       See this where I get confused.How do we define debilitating. Some disorders - like eating disorders, are basically not genetically inherent, but can be life threatening. Same with transgenderism  - causing depression and suicide. Both mental illness?

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       promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Severe, persistent depression is a mental illness that is life threatening and requires treatment. A single depressive episode usually doesn't need treatment. There are fine lines all over the place on this stuff. Been there many times.

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       Violets3posted 7 years agoin reply to this

       True. I can sorta see the difference now, but I suspect the people who diagnose disorder or illness have a hard time differentiating it themselves because it's so tricky. I still wonder, say severe OCD - d for disorder, but clearly it's an illness.

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       promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       It's all about how far it goes. OCD is a disorder up to a certain point. It's an illness beyond that point.

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       Violets3posted 7 years agoin reply to this

       Ahhhh. So it's less about the "title", and more about the spectrum. If it's just a minor thing...its a disorder, if it's so bad it's ruining your life, then it becomes an illness. (my simple way of clarifying).
       
       Thanks!

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       promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

       You got it. Spectrum is a good word. I'm not a professional therapist, but that's my view based on many life experiences and a lot of volunteer work with agencies for people in need. Professionals are more standards based, but it's never that simple.

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   Ryan Corneliusposted 7 years ago

   I agree with trump on this issue 100%. Too many using the benefits of this country to make themselves be who they were not created to be

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      promisemposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      What do you think about other posters who say transgender troops are willing to serve their country?

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      Ryan Corneliusposted 7 years agoin reply to this

      I agree. Anyone can but agree with trump on this issue because they been using the benefits of this country to fulfill their desires

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