Surprise, Surprise:Trump refuses to release Schiff's memo

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  1. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 8 months ago

    To the astonishment of few, the Buffoon-In-Chief has refused to release a Democratic memo debunking the Nunes memo. What else could he do? Nunes refused to answer questions about his staff colluding with the WH on his memo as well. Why? The answer is obvious to those who have seen Nunes in action before.

    Let the "fair minded" Trump fans make excuses for him this time. they should be accustomed to it by now.

    1. Ewent profile image85
      Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      It all comes down to one question and one only: WHAT IS Trump hiding?

      An innocent person doesn't try desperately to shut down an investigation that could prove him innocent. The Lard Butt in Chief loves to say the investigation is overshadowing his presidency?

      Is that because he is guilty of rigging an election with Putin's help? Is it because he knows he donated as he said, "$100 million" to the RNC and so many of the Republicans took money from Trump that was laundered through Deutschebank from Russia?

      The Nunes Memo was a dud. It was supposed to end the Dem Party, put Hillary and Obama in prison and all it contained was information they hoped would shut down the FBI Investigation by Robert Mueller.

      Trump grows ever more desperate. He used his usual double talk when asked if he planned to testify. He said, "I would love to "meet" with Mueller." Hey Lard Butt...it isn't a "meeting." It's you testifying without your legal flunkies.

      So then, Trump and his legal flunkies go for the "perjury trap." As if a savvy legal mind like Robert Mueller would go anywhere near a "trap" of any kind.

      We've all heard Trump's lies since his swore an oath to protect the Constitution. How is refusing to implement those Russian sanctions protecting our Constitutional right to clean elections?

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        I agree, Ewent. For someone who claims his innocence so vociferously he makes himself look more guilty by the day.  And if Donnie does indeed have his "meeting" with Mueller, it will surprise me immensely.

        He'll draw out the process for releasing the Schiff memo or else refuse completely. He and Nunes have no shame at this point. I hope both pay for their treachery in the end. String 'em up!

        1. Ewent profile image85
          Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Over the 3 decades that Trump mug was in our NY/NJ Metro area media, I realized just how phony he really is. But, CON men usually have to be phony. That's how they pull in their victims.

          With Trump though, his biggest problem is his addiction to public attention. He would die within days if he had to be put in solitary confinement.

          So what he says on Monday, can change by Monday evening. That's the biggest sign he cannot be trusted. That is what the term "instability" means: No reliable foundation for communication that has a point or purpose.

          As the rest of humanity knows, the cornerstone of critical thinking is an "agreed" upon vocabulary that defines the terms of meaningful analysis.

          The entire point and purpose of ALL Trump communication is control of others. No matter how low he has to go to do that.

          So he violates his oath of office to protect the U.S. Constitution by brazenly sneaking in 3 Russian Intel agents, one of whom was banned from the U.S. for hacking into the DNC memos.

          But, you would need to be catatonic not to notice how frequently Trump in on the phone with Putin, how many times over the course of the last year he has consorted with Russian oligarchs, banning our US journalists while allowing Russian photogs and journalists in the White House as we all saw.

          What is an even more puzzling thing is that the Russian media is always bragging about how Trump brazenly takes their side against his own country. That was how we found out he sneaked in that banned Russian agent. It was Russian media that blew his cover.

          His brazen, belligerent bullying in his mind is a sign of his power. It was also what Hitler believed. And we all know how Hitler ended.

      2. GA Anderson profile image81
        GA Andersonposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Ha! Lard Butt-in-chief. Now there's a new one. Better claim copyright ewent, I can think of at least one person that might just hashtag it for you.

        Lard Butt-in-chief, Buffoon-in-chief.... geez Louise, have I entered a time warp back to 'Happy Days'?

        GA

    2. Readmikenow profile image96
      Readmikenowposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Randy, the truth is in the details.  Trump never said he WOULDN'T release it.  He wanted them to provide a document that didn't require so much of it to be redacted.  I'm sure you know a redacted document will have certain portions of it blacked out that are too sensitive to make public.  Releasing a document that has been redacted would give the Democrats ammunition to cry foul.  Democrats aren't interested in the truth....they're interested in playing politics.  Here is President Trump's response "The Democrats sent a very political and long response memo which they knew, because of sources and methods (and more), would have to be heavily redacted, whereupon they would blame the White House for lack of transparency. Told them to re-do and send back in proper form!"

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Of course he did, Mike! He also said he was looking forward to meeting with Mueller's team. How can one tell when he's lying? I suppose when his lips are moving. tongue

        1. Readmikenow profile image96
          Readmikenowposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          If the Democrats redo their memo and send it back to President Trump and THEN he again doesn't release it, I'll give you credit for having of point. I don't think it's important enough and was just done for politics.

          1. Ewent profile image85
            Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Are you attempting to make the case that ignoring the FBI and CIA by Nunes somehow was NOT political? You obviously know all too little about Trump. Here in NJ, those employees and contractors who built his 2 hotels and casinos and then refused to pay, want him in a cement bridge support ala Jimmy Hoffa.

            There is nothing you can tell anyone who lives in NY or NJ about Trump we have not heard or seen for at least 3 decades. There is only one thing Trump has ever been successful at: FAILURE.

            Trump will only release a redacted Dem memo. Why? His super inflated ego will NEVER allow anyone he considers his inferiors to DARE publish anything that makes him look bad. This isn't just CEO Trump playing CEO games. It's Trump the control and power addict showing Americans he makes all the rules, not us.

            One major problem with that. He's a public SERVANT and he better start realizing that he is on OUR tax dollars.

            The more he continues to allow  Russian intel from the former KGB to roam around DC and only he knows where else, the more he violates Article III, Sec. 3 of the U.S. Constitution..."adhering to an enemy, giving them aid and comfort."

            And before anyone goes there. Russia IS a U.S. enemy. It has been an enemy of the U.S. since the end of WWII. It has been an enemy from the minute it posted Russian missiles 90 miles off the coast of Florida.

            No American can afford the luxury of pretending we can work with Russia. Putin cannot be trusted. In fact, he has an election coming up in April 2018. His own people want him gone. But, if they manage to pull that off without ending up dead or poisoned with Palonium 210, where does that leave Trump?

      2. Ewent profile image85
        Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Trump never stops playing partisan politics. First of all, the BIG difference between the Nunes Memo and the Dem Memo is showing Trump to be a hypocrite of the worst sort. Nunes was warned prior to the release of his memo by the FBI and CIA that some of the things in that Nune Memo compromised National Security. But, Nunes and Trump like always had to show how powerful they are and ignored those warnings.

        Not so with the Dem memo. The Dems made sure the FBI and CIA both reviewed THEIR memo before they handed it to Trump. Now, the coward in chief is back pedaling claiming the DEM memo is a threat to national security? When Trump allowed Nunes to set the precedent of disclosing classified documents before review by the FBI and CIA?

        Don't bother to defend this. Trump will be viewed by our great grandkids as a huge mistake Trump supporters made ever allowing a brazen, belligerent, lawless thug to ever be in a position of leadership. Think about that when you play Trump cheerleader.

  2. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 8 months ago

    The reason give by the WH for not releasing the Democratic rebuttal was they had security concerns. What? lol Trump was so anxious to get the Nunes memo out he was caught on a hot mike saying it would be released 100%.

    The FBI and DOJ has already examined the Schiff memo and approved its contents, unlike the Nunes memo which was released without any redactions. NOW they're worried about classified info when they have over 30 people in the admin with proper credentials for handling classified info. Including the accused wife beater who handled the most highly classified info the Trump saw everyday.

    What another transparent attempt to obstruct justice with the help of the House Republicans. I do think Mueller is taking note though.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image86
      PrettyPantherposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Of course, it's no surprise. And it will be no surprise that most of his supporters will defend his actions.

    2. Live to Learn profile image78
      Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      I see the fact that the memo release was not allowed as political posturing, typical Washington antics, particularly partisan and an attempt to avoid public scrutiny of an opposing view. I'm not certain I see it as an attempt to obstruct justice.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image86
        PrettyPantherposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        I think he is referring to the coordination between Mines (and House Republicans) and the White House as additional evidence of intent to obstruct justice.

        But, I could be wrong.

        1. Live to Learn profile image78
          Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          I still don't see the leap to obstruction of justice.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image86
            PrettyPantherposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            In and of itself, no. As another piece of evidence of an ongoing, concerted effort? Possibly.

            1. Live to Learn profile image78
              Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              I suppose, if we're grasping at straws, maybe.

            2. Ewent profile image85
              Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Obstruction of justice may be a conglomerative attempt by Trump. Look at how many people tied to Flynn Trump fired for no real reason. First, James Clapper warned Trump that Flynn lied about meeting with the Russians during the 2016 campaign. Trump forced Clapper to resign.

              Next came, Sally Yates of the FBI who warned Trump about Flynn. Trump still did nothing to remove Flynn. Instead, he fired Yates.

              Then, he met "privately" with James Comey, Dir. of the FBI. Not the usual protocol. Let's remember that law in the US must NEVER be politicized or you'd be living under the only laws filtered and interpreted by Trump or Republicans. How fair would justice be then?

              Comey testified under oath last year that he felt uncomfortable meeting with Trump alone and that Trump asked for Comey's "loyalty." The presidency isn't about loyalty to the sitting occupant of the White House. It's about loyalty to the "office" of the presidency. But, Comey then testified that Trump asked him to set aside the FBI case against Flynn.

              Two prior warnings about Flynn and Trump was still in there trying to keep Flynn from losing his job. Since that time more than 2 dozen Trump appointees have either resigned or been fired. If this is an example of Trump's "hiring" process as a CEO, it's easy to see why his only success is "failure."

              Since the Comey firing, Trump has gone after the FBI by demanding Sessions not recuse himself even though Sessions was a member of Trump's campaign committee which would have resulted in Sessions committing conflict of interest. Trump wants desperately to fire Rod Rosenstein who is acting director of the FBI. But now, Rosenstein's next in line should he be fired, Valerie Plame Wilson, just resigned out of fear she would have to fire Mueller..

              Look. It is long past time for Trump supporters to wake up and smell the coffee. Everything, every decision, every strategy is based entirely upon protecting Russia. Why? What is it that Putin holds over Trump's head that scares Trump into refusing to implement any sanctions as punishment for meddling in the 2016 elections?

              Trump must be livid that it was Carter Page, another of the Trump campaign hot shots who blew the whistle on the Russian meddling to an Australian diplomat in London in 2016.

              There's a big big big reason  Trump refuses to disclose his tax returns. He knows he has kept 2 sets of books as he did when he tried to rip off the City of NY.

              Would Obama be allowed to get away with any of this?

          2. Randy Godwin profile image93
            Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Are you okay with Nunes coordinating with the WH to create the memo? This in itself is an attempt to delay or obstruct the House intel investigation. What's to grasp?  It isn't the first time you know!

            1. Live to Learn profile image78
              Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Just explain to me how that either obstructs or delays. It was just a memo.

    3. GA Anderson profile image81
      GA Andersonposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Something  isn't adding-up Randy. You say the FBI and DOJ have "approved" the memo, yet on Sunday's talk show circuit Schiff says he will meet with the FBI this week, and would make whatever redactions they feel are needed.

      And now a CNN story says; " House Intelligence committee member Eric Swalwell, D-California, told CNN's "Reliable Sources" on Sunday that a redaction is underway, and it could be ready to go back to the White House as soon as Monday."

      Maybe that "approval" you spoke of was one of those "pre-approvals" that we all get in those junk mail credit card offers?

      Or maybe it was one of those "...30 people in the admin with proper credentials for handling classified info"  that thought, as a CNN commenter, (supposedly familiar with the Schiff memo), described; there were enough time, date, event, and location details for someone to easily deduce who the "unnamed" human intelligence source would be.

      I don't know if any of what I just said are facts, it was just what I heard from an established anti-Trump news source. Maybe we both should check our facts a little more before relying on them. If somebody has to be a buffoon, I sure don't want it to be me.

      GA

      1. Randy Godwin profile image93
        Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Adam Schiff said today the FBI and DOJ had already been consulted about the memo, GA. I cannot verify that as my Classified credentials are still being looked at by the Feds. Sorta like the almost 40 staffers in the WH who've been there over year without any.  tongue

        1. GA Anderson profile image81
          GA Andersonposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Hold still a minute Randy. All your bouncing around is making me dizzy. I need to look around and see which Trump-related "issues" you haven't hit yet. I mean besides the one that was the thread's topic.

          GA ;-)

  3. Randy Godwin profile image93
    Randy Godwinposted 8 months ago

    Still waiting! This is so transparently partisan it isn't even funny. Why does Donnie have a different standard for the Schiff memo? Because the Schiff memo shows Trump and Nunes released their memo so Donnie could claim the Russia investigation is bogus. Got an alternate excuse for this farce?

  4. Valeant profile image96
    Valeantposted 8 months ago

    If you can't recognize it's true purpose in undermining the Mueller investigation, specifically giving Trump ammo to use in removing Rod Rosenstein, we can't help you.  Without Rosenstein, the next Trump lacky can fire Mueller if he gets too close.

    1. Live to Learn profile image78
      Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      At this stage, firing Mueller would probably be political suicide. I would think those of you who hate Trump would be praying for it.

      1. Ewent profile image85
        Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        Those of us who hate Trump don't dance with the devil either. Those of you who support Trump are so obviously willing to compromise yourselves to someone you have NO Idea of his past reputation. Or doesn't money laundering in 2013 at the Taj Mahal Casino here in NJ make any difference to Trump supporters?

        Is it that Trump supporters would support Al Capone if he was still living so long as it lines your pockets? Is that what matters most to Trump supporters? Money, not democracy, not freedom for your own children from corrupt thugs like Trump?

        Do yourselves a big time favor and stop supporting Trump until you have ALL the facts about his corruption. Start with how he bilked NY City out of money he contracted to hand over for the $2 million the city handed him to remodel the old Commodore Hotel. Be sure you  take note of how he lied and claimed the 2% in profits he was supposed to turn over was carefully hidden in a 2nd set of books.

        Get the facts on the money laundering you seem all to ready to pretend isn't a crime but just "business." Is it? Then why are NJ taxpayers paying 6 of Trump's corporate bankruptcies he filed in 2014 and where did he suddenly get $100 million 2 years later to hand to the RNC to allow him to run on the GOP ticket? And, who in the GOP benefitted from that laundered money?

        1. Randy Godwin profile image93
          Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Sadly--or perhaps prophetically--you will get no response from Trump supporters on this post, Ewent.

          1. Ewent profile image85
            Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Happily, I don't want any response from the drone of the Trump lies and distortions. Silencing them any way I can to protect my country and our future generations from total political cancer is a job every American has an obligation to take on.

            It's now or never for all of us. Look the other way at Trump wrongdoing and you are aiding and abetting treason. Trump has committed treason every time he runs to Putin for advice, meets with Russian oligarchs in secret or sneaks 3 Russian agents into the US when he knew one of them was banned for the theft of the DNC emails.

        2. Readmikenow profile image96
          Readmikenowposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          "Those of us who hate Trump don't dance with the devil either. Those of you who support Trump are so obviously willing to compromise yourselves to someone you have NO Idea of his past reputation"  Do any supporters of Hillary Clinton actually believe this statement has any merit?  I don't.

          1. Ewent profile image85
            Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            That you give Trump ANY credit only proves who the Putin and Trump stooges are. When you have something you can bring into a US court of law as proof of Hillary's crimes, get to it or stop posting BS.

            1. Live to Learn profile image78
              Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              One thing I don't understand.

              During the election process, I constantly wondered at the McCarthyisc rants from Hillary about Russia. In retrospect, it's clear she was frantically attempting to get her money's worth out of an attempt by her and the DNC to paint a less than honest picture.

              Does this in any way bother you?

              1. Ewent profile image85
                Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                Hillary is nothing if not a patriot. Can you say the same of Trump? Russia IS a US enemy and has been since post World War II. How is it Trump supporters now believe the same country that pointed missiles 90 miles off the coast of Florida in 1962 is now suddenly a friend to the US?

                Hillary and Obama were the one who outed Putin when Putin rigged the election in 2012. Do you now support election rigging? I am sure if it means keeping Trump in power, Trump stooges will be thrilled to rig every election from this day forward.

                As for Hillary getting "her" money's worth, puhlease. Trump is ripping US taxpayers off for that $62,000 his wife spent on her so called "trips." And how many of the foreign visitors besides Angela Merkel had to endure Iskanka's sales pitches? We already know that in 2017, Iskanka manipulated the Chinese into a contract for more cheap labor.

                Doesn't THAT bother you that a daughter of a president with an immigrant wife who can't disclose her own citizenship papers while Trump goes after DACA kids is using the presidency to make business deals? And if Hillary or Chelsea had done that? You bet it would bother you big time.

                When you have something you can present as evidence against Hillary to SC judges, let me know. Otherwise, stop posting pro Trump treasonous distortions.

                If all men have is smearing women's reputations, there must be a lot more Napoleanic complexes out there than just Putin's and Trump's.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  The Rob Porter scandal has shown how Trump and his cronies view sexual abuse and battery. How many times must we see Donnie ignoring this sort of abuse before his fans get a belly full of it? I'm afraid they'll continue to make excuses for him no matter what comes out about his many lies.

                  1. crankalicious profile image92
                    crankaliciousposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    Randy,

                    I dislike Trump as much as you, and I don't disagree that it displays a view of the Trump administration toward women. But I think conservatives have a right to point out the story that came out about Hillary Clinton and her adviser, Burns Strider.

                    I wonder if we all couldn't come together and agree that it would seem that it isn't so much party affiliation (though I do tend to agree that Republicans do tend to have a much less progressive view of women) but power that does something to people and their willingness to do what's right.

                  2. Ewent profile image85
                    Ewentposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    Most of us here in the NY/NJ Metro area remember when Trump's first wife, Ivana, accused him of sexual abuse. We also recall his super ego with the female arm candy always dripping off his arms as he would "try" to enter top posh Clubs the blue nosed Knickerbocker set refused him entry. So he clubbed at places not exactly where he desired most to be seen.

                    And that was the real reason he was refused entry. The Knickerbocker blue noses are snobs who don't like to be photographed in their nightclub environments. Trump is like the Kardashians. Camera hogs who literally call media to make sure the media shows up for their "appearances."

                    Trump has always managed to pay his way out of his crimes. The government must stop that. It's biased toward giving White Collar criminals like Trump a slap on the wrist.

                    You launder money and see if you get ONLY a fine.

                2. Live to Learn profile image78
                  Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  Firstly, you can't honestly claim that the Russians rigged the election. Although, you can honestly claim Hillary and her cronies rigged the DNC nomination. But, let's not go there

                  As to patriotism. Define it. I consider myself to be a patriot. Although I gag when people insist anyone in the military be applauded for supposedly defending our country and claim they are fighting for our freedom. Are we under attack? So I disagree. Doesn't make me less patriotic than the next person. Anyone who loves this country is a patriot. We may disagree. We may seek different paths for its future. That does not mean one is fake and one isn't. It means we are free.

                  And money wasted on trips? Wow. You think his wife is the only one guilty?  Interesting.

                  But I'll be honest. The DOCA is a head scratcher. You offer a path to citizenship for 2 million previously in limbo and the left calls it bad. That's a mystery.

        3. Live to Learn profile image78
          Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          I'll point out what I've repeatedly pointed out. Those who live in glass houses (Hillary supporters) should stop to think prior to pointing fingers.

          1. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 8 months agoin reply to this

            Hillary known for any acts of kindness? Donald Trump is known for them.  Even the leftist at Snopes can't deny truth.

            TRUE:   Donald Trump dispatched his plane to fly a sick Jewish boy for special care when he heard no airline would accommodate his medical equipment.

            This statement refers to an incident that occurred in 1988, when 3-year-old Andrew Ten and his parents could not get a flight from California to New York for seek medical treatment for the boy. When Andrew’s parents asked to use Trump’s private jet, the Republican Presidential candidate reportedly said “yes, I’ll send my plane out,” without hesitation.

            https://www.snopes.com/so-you-think-you … ald-trump/

            1. Randy Godwin profile image93
              Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              Good thing it wasn't a sick "female" child! tongue

              1. Live to Learn profile image78
                Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                Now we all have to wrestle with the question...'what is sickest?'

                I know my answer.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image93
                  Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                  The answer to your question is obvious. It's Trump!

                  1. Live to Learn profile image78
                    Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

                    To you, Maybe.

                    People who make filthy minded, low brow, jokes to minimize acts of kindness would be my bet.

            2. crankalicious profile image92
              crankaliciousposted 8 months agoin reply to this

              OMG, really? So if I can dig up acts of kindness by Hillary, you'll become a fan? And if Hillary has more acts of kindness than Trump, does that make her a better person? What about acts of unkindness? Is that how we argue now, with a list of acts of kindness?

      2. Valeant profile image96
        Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/13908557.jpg

        1. Live to Learn profile image78
          Live to Learnposted 8 months agoin reply to this

          Wow. A political cartoon. I suppose you think that backs up your position. Forgive me for the eye roll it elicited.

  5. Timothy Anderson profile image98
    Timothy Andersonposted 8 months ago

    Anyone who isn't happy with the new simplified tax returns and the lower rates you're paying, please feel free to send your tax refunds to me.  Will be happy to accept.  Thanks in advance.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image93
      Randy Godwinposted 8 months agoin reply to this

      Are you going to use them to pay off the trillion or so deficit caused by the new tax laws? Someone will have to!

      1. Valeant profile image96
        Valeantposted 8 months agoin reply to this

        The Trump Administration is the grift that just keeps on grifting...

 
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