Are rich people liars, cheats and thieves?

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  1. promisem profile image96
    promisemposted 14 months ago

    In my experience, they are more than they are not. Science backs it up. Your thoughts?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spe … 503c1fe516

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      ahorsebackposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      B.S.

      https://hubstatic.com/14165706.jpg

      1. promisem profile image96
        promisemposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Did you read the article? Apparently not.

      2. gmwilliams profile image83
        gmwilliamsposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Ahorseback, the poor are more likely to game the system than wealthy people who have assets.  It is the poor who commit welfare fraud & abuse our social programs which causes us to pay MORE taxes.   C'mon now!  The rich provide jobs & services while the poor causes taxes to raise from the creating of FREE social programs a/k/a welfare.  If it weren't for welfare & other inane social programs, the economy would be MUCH BETTER!

        1. Live to Learn profile image79
          Live to Learnposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          The economy might be better but wouldn't every city soon look like San Francisco?

    2. jo miller profile image90
      jo millerposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      One of the most surprising things about the article for me was that the wealthy are more apt to shoplift.  Shoplift? Really?  I can understand cheating on taxes, but shoplifting?  Just proves money does corrupt.

      1. promisem profile image96
        promisemposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Welcome back, Jo. Thanks for reading the article before commenting.  smile

        Yes, I saw that one too. Odd, isn't it?

  2. Castlepaloma profile image75
    Castlepalomaposted 14 months ago

    Not so much the rich, yet generally the Wealthy, yes.

    Time and time again a homeless man prank was played. He left his hat out with some money in it. A $20 bill was on the sidewalk 5 feet away from the hat. The honest poor people return the $20 to the homelessman almost every time. The opposite for rich or wealthy men who took the $20 then ran off with it. When confronted, most of them, would not give up the $20.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
      Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Did they sense it was there for the taking?

      1. Castlepaloma profile image75
        Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        The poor had have a conscious then took action to return it. Because, they thought it blew from the hat. Rich thought, finders keepers.

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      ahorsebackposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Was That like in the sixty minutes special on how in NYC there was a bums college ?     They go to this college to learn how to be pro- beggars ?

      About 1990 .

      1. MizBejabbers profile image90
        MizBejabbersposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Really? I hadn't heard about that. Several years ago for a short time I rode the city bus to work. We had one chatty bus driver who used to point out those he said were professional beggars on major street corners to us. He said that he knew some of them were professionals for sure because they talked to him about it.

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          RTalloniposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          I wrote about one who said he didn't want a regular job because he made so much more in a much shorter time. He like his "job" of begging much better.

      2. Castlepaloma profile image75
        Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        No, who would want to be a career beggar. That would take 20 years off your life, as a non worker.

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
    Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months ago

    There is a spiritual aspect to the world of business and marketing. Goods and services are traded for certificates of productivity/$$$. Its an exchange which allows a percolating economy. And as we are rediscovering in this era of Trumanomics, everyone benefits.

    Furthermore, businesses, to be successful must be very straight forward. Honest merchants, service providers and businessmen/women will only deal with others who are honest and straight forward. Crooks, cheats and liars are always discovered for who they are and are subsequently left alone/shunned.


    ON THE OTHER HAND: The biggest crooks, thieves and liars are those who promote socialism. Bernie Sanders, who is rich, does subscribe unapologetically to socialistic principals and has had a great impact on the youth toward this end. He is a good example of the rich being thieves and liars in that he advocates giving, what is not owed, to others, (for whatever reason,) against their will.

    1. promisem profile image96
      promisemposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      I think the point of the article is that wealth helps make certain people liars, cheats and thieves. Maybe that's the point of socialism.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image85
        PrettyPantherposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        There is a certain mindset among certain people that when rich people "game the system" to gain more riches they are merely displaying their superior business acumen (say, super rich person saving millions using a tax loophole). On the other hand, when poor people "game the system" to gain a few  extra dollars every month  they are entitled leeches (say, single Mom gaining $100 per month by moving to a different county).

        1. promisem profile image96
          promisemposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Excellent point!

          1. Readmikenow profile image95
            Readmikenowposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            I would say this is a valid point.  I know some very wealthy people who have their finances set up so they receive many different types of government services offered to people who are financially struggling. It's all legal.  Many wealthy people game the system.  As far as poor people who game the system, Oh, I have seen it to extremes.  So, is gaming the system part of a belief system and not defined by economic circumstances? In both situations I have seen people who wouldn't think of gaming the system and simply follow the rules.

      2. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
        Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        You can't get rid of individual liberty for the sake of the order of the whole.

        Thats a bad idea. (Understatement.)

        1. promisem profile image96
          promisemposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          The good of one individual doesn't outweigh an entire society. Should I kill 10 people to save the life of one?

  4. Live to Learn profile image79
    Live to Learnposted 14 months ago

    People who value money above their integrity are liars, cheats and thieves. It isn't limited to the rich.

    1. Castlepaloma profile image75
      Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      The rich is like middle class who do most of the work and pay most of the taxes. Often too focus on money.

      It's most of filthy wealthy that causes the great harm.

    2. promisem profile image96
      promisemposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Good point. After reading the article, it seems that wealth itself is a factor in making people more prone to lying, cheating and stealing.

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      RTalloniposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Absolutely correct.

  5. gmwilliams profile image83
    gmwilliamsposted 14 months ago

    Rich people are no more liars, cheats, & thieves than poor people are.  In fact, poor people are more likely to be liars, cheats, & thieves in order to live comfortably.  Rich people don't have to so-call game the system because they have enormous assets & investments.  They don't have to worry about economic conditions.  However, poor people are quite adept at gaming systems whether it is for housing, food, & other things.   Poor people know to hustle to make ends meets.  Poor people know ways to game the system in ways that other socioeconomic classes DON'T.

    Lest we all forget-criminals come from the lower classes.  It the lower classes, because of tight socioeconomic conditions, that gravitate towards crime.   Al Capone,  John Gotti, Whitey Bulger, & other well-known criminals came from the lower classes.  It was/is oftentimes lower income parents who pushed their children towards crime & other illegal activities to live a life beyond poverty & struggle.  In lower income neighborhoods, there is a large amount of drug pushers because of poverty.  Poor parents are the ones who push their children into a life of crime because it is "easy money."   

    Rich people are thieves, liars,& cheats? Really, such beliefs are myths generated because of envious non-rich people!  Rich people are LESS LIKELY to be liars, cheats, & thieves because they have vast amounts of assets.  Also rich people worked smart for what they have.  They have NO NEED to be liars, cheats, & thieves but the poor...…..that's a VASTLY DIFFERENT story!

    Poor people game the system in ways that no other socioeconomic class can!  They can assess free programs, free healthcare, & other free offerings.  They can even get Section 8 housings.  It isn't the rich who is the problem but the POOR.  Our tax dollars are supporting such people.   There is one class who certifiably aren't liars, cheats, & thieves because they CAN'T be-the MIDDLE CLASS!

    1. promisem profile image96
      promisemposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      Did you read the article? Various studies found that wealth changes behavior for the worse.

      I agree with you that some poor people have a motive to commit crimes. I've also known many poor people who were good people.

      1. gmwilliams profile image83
        gmwilliamsposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        I skimmed the article in question.  I have studied wealth & poverty.  Poverty creates horrific behaviors.  Wealth changes behavior for the worse? Really...Wealth oftentimes changes behavior for the better.  It is wealthy people who create charities.  It is wealthy people who are philanthropic.  Wealth affords cultivation & a civilized mindset.

        Poverty, on the contrary, creates bestial behavior.  People in poverty aren't the most civilized.  In fact, poverty creates a brutishness.  When people have limited resources, they revert to barbaric, even animalistic behaviors. Poverty-ridden neighborhoods are the most crime-ridden & least safe.  Think of south side Chicago a/k/a Chiraq where poor people live-neighborhoods are hellish.  Poor neighborhoods aren't desirable.  I know many fine, upstanding wealthy people.  Can't say the same about poor people.  I find them wanting something for nothing, complaining, not wanting much from life, & always looking for others to rescue/support them!

      2. Castlepaloma profile image75
        Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        Occupationally crimes are far greater than street crimes, just more difficult to catch with our system.

        1. promisem profile image96
          promisemposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          Especially when you can afford an expensive lawyer who can manipulate a not guilty plea.

          Just watch court-appointed attorneys in action. They'll show you that the legal system has more to do with money than justice.

          I'm not saying that there is no justice in the system. But after attending many trials as part of a job, I saw money having way too much influence over the courts.

          1. gmwilliams profile image83
            gmwilliamsposted 14 months agoin reply to this

            That's natural.  Money RUNS & RULES the world.  When will people realize this?  If one has money, h/she rules & owns.   Wealth means better services & quality of life.  Why complain about this?   If one wants good services, one has to have socioeconomic wealth.  Have you heard the adage that one gets what one pays for?  If one has little money, h/she will receive fair service at best & have a poor quality of life.  That is the way it IS & will always BE!  Get used to it!

            1. Castlepaloma profile image75
              Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              GM, we agree on alot of things yet,
              dead Presidents on paper don't rule my world. Money is imaginary, finances do dictates 1/5 of my life. The other four great value in life are intelluctal, realationships, spiritual and physical. Take physical, what good is money if your are very ill, horrible handicapped or dead. Some say health is everything. Of the five value in life, money has the least to do for happiness.

              North America is over focus on money, it unbalance because most are hypnotized of the scarcity of it. Life is unlimited and abundance as far as you can imagine. Or from the neck down your worth minimum

              1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
                Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                "THE GOOD OF MONEY IS THE USE OF MONEY." Benjamin Franklin

                USE IT and LIVE!

            2. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, money rules the world but a responsible and civilized society recognizes that and minimizes the deleterious effect of that tendency. That is something that Capitalism, uncontrolled, fails to address.

              I don't care if you can by a bigger box or corn flakes or have a Mercedes relative to my Chevy.

              But, the government of the people is not for sale to the highest bidder. So, subsequently, I do not ever concede that they have the power to control my life. Not EVERYTHING is for sale.

              The reality is that the Plutocrat wants to have everyone eating out of his or her hands, and once you have acquired the wealth, next it is the power and control to lock down the system to insure their continued wealth and inordinate influence, keeping as few of the others from following their course as possible.

              My job is to resist them and that tendency and that is something that THEY should fear, that their power and influence can and will be curbed with the CORRECT politicians at the helm whom I consistently support.

              That is the definition of capitalism and wealth in America.

            3. promisem profile image96
              promisemposted 14 months agoin reply to this

              Money should not rule justice and whether or not someone goes to jail.

              The fact that it exists doesn't make it right or that I should accept it.

              1. gmwilliams profile image83
                gmwilliamsposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                But IT DOES.   Money rules everything.  Money determines the type of lifestyle one lives, the type of education one receives, & the type of services one gets.  It even determines how one is TREATED.  That is the REAL world.  Money is the determinant of everything in society.   That IS & WILL BE.  Nothing can change that, no matter what pontifications to the contrary are said.

                Money is the BACKBONE of a civilized/cultivated society.  If one has money, h/she has a life beyond a primitive, animal existence.  Money makes people civilized, classy, & yes cultivated.  Without money, one leads a primitive life of constant struggle.  It is a fact of life that money RULES.

                1. Castlepaloma profile image75
                  Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

                  Yet money is the root of all evil, not Satan. Money make you follow all these ridiculous Wealthy leaders who don't care if you live or die.

                  Since the Pope said hell no longer exist anymore. Maybe the Pope should not talk, because the Vatican is the riches country in the world. The riches man in the world,...is the man who can stand alone. Sharing makes things even better.

    2. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 14 months agoin reply to this

      On the contrary, rich people are the worse thieves as they can and do "steal" much more. They do it because the system is geared for them to do it and congratulates them on their ingenuity. They are worse because they don't do it out of necessity, but just because they CAN.

      There is the white collar crime that we all tend to minimize in significance, why is that? Millions are stolen, but the perpetrator gets slapped on the wrist or are sentenced to resort prisons.

      The most immoral, stingy and selfish people are rich people, how do you think that they acquired so much money in the first place? Most are not so noble as they simply inherited money from daddy.

      Funny, that is what conservatives always seem to say about Trump, that he is so rich that he cannot be bought and can act independently. Don't believe it, the man with the most dishonest, disreputable record ever to have the 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. address, is all about the "money". Questions are rising now as to how much of the emolument clause he is in violation of: Rich people are more often than not, greedy. If they have 1 billion, now how do they get 2?

      Rich people have their tentacles in the function of government, tilting the responsiveness of government in their favor instead of that of the general public. Rich people have tax loopholes, no one else has and can use. Rich people can hide their money from taxations in areas outside of U.S. jurisdiction.

      So, in my humble opinion, in GENERAL, rich people and their abuses are worse than those of the poor.

      1. Live to Learn profile image79
        Live to Learnposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        +1

        1. Castlepaloma profile image75
          Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

          +

  6. GA Anderson profile image92
    GA Andersonposted 14 months ago

    WOW! I bet a psychoanalyst could write a paper on that response. I am glad those are your thoughts, and not mine.

    GA

    1. IslandBites profile image87
      IslandBitesposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      +1

  7. ReneeLRoberts profile image60
    ReneeLRobertsposted 14 months ago

    Children of the rich visit the university a little. They smoke at this time and drink alcohol in night club. And when time to take examinations comes, buy homework at college essay help company.
    I did the same smile at me the father was a governor in Pennsylvania. And your children so do not do?

  8. Castlepaloma profile image75
    Castlepalomaposted 14 months ago

    I have lost only 100s of dallors to street crime, that take most of the blame for crime overall.
    Where I have  lost 100,000s of dollar's to occupationally criminals, they know how to get away with it.

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
      Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      I guess you know as much as anyone:
      You can't have a democratic republic/society without morals, laws and boundaries to promote fairness and justice for all ...

      and incentives to follow them.

      1. Castlepaloma profile image75
        Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

        People are basically good and ethical. The liars and phycopaths are running the world and too many of the good people are locked up.

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
    Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months ago
  10. Kathryn L Hill profile image79
    Kathryn L Hillposted 14 months ago
  11. Castlepaloma profile image75
    Castlepalomaposted 14 months ago

    I think we have sold out our health and the health of the earth to the wealthy.

    Midnight oil, beds are burning

    Out where the river broke
    The bloodwood and the desert oak
    Holden wrecks and boiling diesels
    Steam in forty five degrees

    The time has come
    To say fair's fair
    To pay the rent
    To pay our share
    The time has come
    A fact's a fact
    It belongs to them
    Let's give it back

    How can we dance when our earth is turning
    How do we sleep while our beds are burning.
    Four wheels scare the cockatoos
    From Kintore East to Yuendemu
    The western desert lives and breathes

    How can we dance when our earth is turning
    How do we sleep while our beds are burning
    The time has come
    To say fair's fair
    To pay the rent, now
    To pay our share
    The time has come
    A fact's a fact
    It belongs to them
    We're gonna give it back

  12. gmwilliams profile image83
    gmwilliamsposted 14 months ago

    Why is there is so much demonization of the wealthy?  The wealthy earned theirs.  This envy of the wealthy is analogous to envy, even hatred of A students in school.  A students, like the wealthy, are smart & on top of their game.  Instead of envying & hating the wealthy, be smart & emulate their organization, strategizing, & work ethic.    The wealthy are THE BEST of the best like A students are.  Wealthy is...….GOOD, even GREAT!

    1. Castlepaloma profile image75
      Castlepalomaposted 14 months agoin reply to this

      I was rich and famous for 3 decades and most everyone called me successful. I kept wondering during that time, why  was I, not Happy. Then realized, I was a toy for many billionaire in the the entertainment businesses. I worked with toxic materials and toxic people. Even the Government that hired me , had mostly sponsors of gambling casino, fast food, pharmacy,, alcoholic, coke and everything was unhealthy and throw away product. Then I looked around my inescapable prison of synthetic stuff. Then I ask? Is this what life is all about, tonic products and throw away relationship. I had no time for deeper loving reasonships. I had no time to produce healthy products and was eating unhealthy foods for all the deadlines. Very little deep conversions or what I was doing was a healthy or had good intentions for the vast majority of people of being an honest service.

      Today the best teacher, the best doctor , the best environmentalist, the wiser person in the world about myself was me. The is self service in order to serve other best. Deprogram myself from the greedy and hypnotized myself to work honestly and harmless service to mankind and finally the happiest I ever have been.

 
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