UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

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   gmwilliamsposted 5 years ago

   
   Universal health care-are you FOR or AGAINST?  Should the government be responsible for healthcare or is it THE INDIVIDUAL'S RESPONSIBILITY to provide his/her own healthcare?

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      Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      A combination of both....

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   gmwilliamsposted 5 years ago

   I don't believe in universal health care.  It is the individual's responsibility to pay for his/her health care.  If an individual can't afford health care, then do without, pure & simple.  Health care isn't a right.   Health care should be for those who can afford it!  People have done fine without healthcare.

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      Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

      So, all others get sick and die. Run those tumbrils and get those cadavers off from the street..... We will need an entirely new federal bureaucracy to handle them all. Death is the alternative for those that cannot afford it according to you. I bet that if your back were against the wall, you wouldn't be so callous.  While you don't believe in universal health care, I do. In the long term most people do not do well without some form of health insurance. Responsible and civilized societies around the globe recognize that, but of course that flies over the head of conservative thinking.
      
      The conservatives' version of social Darwinism: the poor should die, only the rich are fit to live.

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         wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         "Responsible and civilized" societies recognize the concept of ownership and do not play Robin Hood, wherein part of society thinks they have an innate right to what others have earned and rightfully own merely because they have wants that outstrip their ability to purchase.

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            Credence2posted 5 years agoin reply to this

            What does that have to do with the idea of universal health care are you also a proponent of death for those that cannot afford to insure themselves?
            
            you have this annoying burr in your saddle about this. by the way, your defense of the plutocrat in the other thread basically says that they are free to avoid paying any tax. Why not, since their excuse is that they are being extorted by the government, most convenient, yes indeed.

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               wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               I am a proponent of having a vibrant economy wherein most people can afford to live a good lifestyle (including quality health care).  We will never have one where ALL people can do so, but for sure the misguided efforts of the liberals in the country will assure that NO ONE can when they are through.  We already see the beginnings of that in southern California where hospitals are closing and doctors moving out because of just that.
               
               "your defense of the plutocrat in the other thread basically says that they are free to avoid paying any tax. "
               
               Now that is flat out untrue and false.  Would you care to copy/paste and prove your allegation, or just accept that you are wrong?

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               gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               If you can't afford healthcare, it isn't the government's problem, just bear it.  People have been w/o healthcare & bearing it.  That is what people do who can't afford something.  You can't have everything you want- least of all, it is selfish to expect to have everything when you can't afford it- that's immaturity.  Mature people know that if they can't afford something, they DO WITHOUT.

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            gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            THANK YOU, Wilderness.  Where do people get the notion that the GOVERNMENT should be RESPONSIBLE for THEIR healthcare? Preposterous, isn't it!   As I have stated, if one can't afford health insurance, be a grown up-SUCK IT UP & DO WITHOUT.  People have done w/o healthcare for years.  It is nothing new to do without!  What is wrong w/doing without if one can't afford something.  It is DONE!  Wilderness, it is the entitlement mentality that makes people believe that they should have something even if they can't afford it!

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