Women in White

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  1. abwilliams profile image55
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/14401571_f1024.jpg
    Democratic women, in solidarity, all dressed up in white, did not stand, did not applaud, couldn't even manage a nod nor an ever so slight affirmation, when the President called for the practice of aborting babies, "moments from birth", to end!
    Last night, their display made me sick to my stomach. Today, I am more determined than ever to call out today's Democratic Party and to call out these 'women' that will cry out for the weather, but not for a full-term baby! The gloves are coming off, I've had it!
    What say you?

    1. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      +100000000
      This is just childish behavior and they are suppose to be our best and brightest...we have 330 million people in our country, is this the best we can do? All 535 members of Congress, represents us...

      1. gmwilliams profile image83
        gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Nancy was worse, she grimaced almost every time Trump spoke.  Either she grimaced or was reading papers while he spoke- UNPROFESSIONAL INDEED!

    2. Don W profile image82
      Don Wposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Do you think that might be because Trump mischaracterized the law in New York when he said that it ". . . would allow a baby to be ripped from the mother's womb moments before birth"(1).

      As per this factcheck:

      "The law allows a woman to get an abortion after 24 weeks of pregnancy if her health is threatened, or if the fetus would be unable to survive outside the womb"(2).

      Or this factcheck:

      "The law only allows abortions up to term if it’s "necessary to protect the [mother]’s life or health" and in "absence of fetal viability"(3).

      Or this factcheck:

      "Previously, pregnancies after 24 weeks could be terminated only if they were life-threatening. The new law provides for two more instances in which abortions would be allowed: the “absence of fetal viability” or to protect the patient’s health"(4)

      And do you think Trump's mischaracterization may have been intended to have exactly the effect it had on you, i.e. make people angry? And doesn't that run contrary to almost everything he said about bridging old divisions etc?

      (1) https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/05/poli … index.html
      (2) http://time.com/5520715/state-union-don … act-check/
      (3) https://qz.com/1543714/there-is-no-scie … -abortion/
      (4) https://www.factcheck.org/2019/02/factc … -union-2/_

      1. Valeant profile image96
        Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I made this point about Trump gaslighting the issue, but the AB just reposted the snippet Trump said to get her anger boiling.  I wouldn't have stood to applaud such a mischaracterization either.

        1. abwilliams profile image55
          abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          The AB ... I like it!
          My problem was with these women sitting on their hands, scowling, when the subject was a life (outside of their own) then jumping to their feet, when the subject changed to be all about them.

          1. Valeant profile image96
            Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            I can understand you wanting to protect life.  When the NY and VA bills aim to protect life (that of the mother), if you knew those details, you would know that what Trump said should have made you more angry because of the way he mischaracterized the intent of those laws.

          2. abwilliams profile image55
            abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            The next problem for me, presented itself when one of the women that chose to sit on her hands and scowl when precious life was being discussed, elected to make a show of children separated at the border....for their own safety....but, she tried to make it into something else entirely.
            I shouldn't have to keep repeating myself, it's not complicated.

            1. Valeant profile image96
              Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Reading into your anger, you care about the unborn.  Logically speaking then, since you're so angry at what the NY and VA bills aim to do, you don't care if the mothers die.  Because the bills that Trump was referencing aim to protect the lives of mothers.  So either you didn't realize that was what he was referencing or you don't care.  I'll assume it's the first.  And if it is, why are you so angry that people sat there scowling that Trump would not support bills that protect the lives of mothers?

          3. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, and you sat on your hands while already born children--conscious of their own lives unlike a fetus--were torn from their parents. Lots better!  roll

            1. abwilliams profile image55
              abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Are they killing these children you keep bringing up?

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Do you know, AB? You seem to have the inside angle on everything, but we do know of at least two deaths among the children, and there's no concise info as to how many other of the children are treated. Bet you know though....

    3. Sharlee01 profile image83
      Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Not sure what they had hoped to accomplish by wearing white, and sitting there with belligerent expressions?   I don't find anything positive about their behavior.  Just one woman's opinion, but I think they made fools of themselves. Wish there were more women in Washington that I oud be proud of. It's very sad o me, that this bunch is setting us back 40 years. They looked silly...

      1. abwilliams profile image55
        abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Agreed. They are an embarrassment.

        1. Valeant profile image96
          Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          According to the statement, Women’s Working Group members are wearing white to symbolize fighting for women’s rights like equal pay, paid sick and family leave, retirement security, the right to live “lives free from fear and violence,” and access to affordable child care and affordable health care — “including reproductive health services like those offered by Planned Parenthood.”

          Do you subscribe to any of those things for women that wearing white represented?

          1. abwilliams profile image55
            abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            They wore white to "send a message" and their message came off as anti-baby, pro-woman. Not impressed, far from it.

            1. Valeant profile image96
              Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              You are choosing to say you don't care about the life of mothers when their lives are put in danger or their babies are not viable.  I'm not sure what can be more anti-woman than that. 

              I struggle to understand how women can buy into such ugly rhetoric from a man that attacks a woman's right to choose what happens to her body in such scenarios.

              1. jackclee lm profile image82
                jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                That is a false narrative.
                No one is saying the life of the mother is not important. In most of these late term abortion cases, the health of the mother is not in question.

                1. Valeant profile image96
                  Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  And you have the stats for that claim that most cases are not a danger to the mother? 

                  And even if the numbers were low, you're the guy who parades one case of an immigrant taking the life of an American to justify policy, so surely you feel that even one American mother's life is important enough to justify this.

                  And there's nothing false about Trump misconstruing the facts of what the NY and VA laws allow.  They protect a mother's life or give her options when her baby is non-viable.  The way he laid it out gave the impression that the babies were healthy.  That was clearly a purposeful lie to get those like AB, who obviously do not understand the basics of the NY and VA laws, angry and divide the country further.

              2. abwilliams profile image55
                abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                No I am not and that is not what President Trump is doing.
                We believe that a baby in the womb is an individual, with as much Right to exist as you or I.
                Yes, there are exceptions when a pregnancy may put a woman in harm....but they are very rare and should be handled case by case.
                Abortion has become a matter of convenience for the woman, as if she is the only one that matters in the scenario and she's not!

            2. Sharlee01 profile image83
              Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

              I agree. this bunch put women back 100  years...

          2. jackclee lm profile image82
            jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            I am against funding for planned parenthood which aborts nearly 1 million babies each year.

            1. abwilliams profile image55
              abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Me too Jack, has there ever been an organization any deadlier?

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Think NRA.

                1. Valeant profile image96
                  Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  +39,373, or the amount of people who lost their lives in the Unites States at the point of a gun in 2017.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Really? I thought it was due to illegal immigrants coming through the border where there's no "wall"  and murdering our citizens. Trump sez…..

                  2. jackclee lm profile image82
                    jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Yes, and how many die of car accidents?
                    Do you want to ban cars and trucks?

                2. jackclee lm profile image82
                  jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  The NRA train people on gun safety. They don’t abort innocent babies, and then sell their body parts for money.

                  1. Valeant profile image96
                    Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    And there it is folks.  The well-educated person speaking about all his knowledge.  Nothing you ever say again will have any credibility on this site after making that statement.

                3. abwilliams profile image55
                  abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Seriously, are you for real?

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Seriously, yes. Are you?

          3. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Valeant, Statement from the chairwoman of the Democratic Women’s Working Group, on why the women were asked to wear white. Not sure where you got your explanation on why the women were asked to wear white?

            "The chairwoman of the Democratic Women’s Working Group, Florida Rep. Lois Frankel, encouraged members to wear white to this year's State of the Union address as a shoutout to the voters who handed Democrats a majority in the House in the midterm elections and a reminder that they plan to make women's economic security a priority."

            https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 775444002/

            IN my opinion, they should use their voices in their workplace. These women were voted in due to their agendas, not their fashions sense... They appeared foolish. It is fighting to see these women in government have the responsibility to create laws. It's downright scary. As a woman, it saddens me to have this kind of silliness, high school mean girl stuff...

    4. abwilliams profile image55
      abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this
  2. abwilliams profile image55
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    They could learn from the children Jack, but they do not wish to learn or grow in their maturity. They are too locked into their leftist agenda and judging from their behavior...this Country, their constituents, are the very last things on their minds. Sad display!

    1. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      AB, I saw the immaturity of the Leftist Socialist Party.  It was beyond appalling.  Did you see Nancy grimacing when Trump spoke?   Almost every time Trump spoke, she made a......GRIMACE.....totally disrespectful.  Yes, the Leftist Socialist Party, formerly the Democratic Party is a party of kindergarteners.  Even children in kindergarten exhibit a greater level of maturity than these "women".   Yes, the Leftist Socialist Party has become too embedded in their socialistic behavior.  Time to drain, AB.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I think that's the normal look for Pelosi.  She doesn't respect anyone but herself.

        1. gmwilliams profile image83
          gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          I find her to be quite irritating.

          1. abwilliams profile image55
            abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Quite!

        2. abwilliams profile image55
          abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Agreed wilderness, she is in a long-term infatuation with herself!

  3. gmwilliams profile image83
    gmwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    AB, please watch DONKEYS & ELEPHANTS on Amazon Prime if you have Amazon Prime.  It details how extreme both parties have become.    Democrats have turned left while Republicans have turned towards the right.    There is a war occurring between the Democrats & Republicans, those w/more centrist & moderate views are left out.   The ascendency of the Baby Boom generation has exacerbated this political extremism.   This was predicted in William Strauss' & Neil Howe's book, GENERATIONS: A HISTORY OF AMRICA'S FUTURE, 1584 to 2069.  This book predicted that in the early part of the 21st century, there will be cultural & political wars between Conservatives & Liberals a/k/a Republicans & Democrats.  This has come to fruition.   Get the book & see the aforesaid documentary.
    https://hubstatic.com/12201510.jpg

    1. abwilliams profile image55
      abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Thanks GM, I will.

  4. abwilliams profile image55
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    Yes, I did GM, not many can "grimace" or "disrespect" any better than Nancy. We've seen it before, we know how pathetic she is and for some unknown reason....America invited her back, to do it again!!!
    I can't imagine how empty one must be, when they value nothing, have no core beliefs and have to look around to see how others are responding, (to things which should make the average individual spring to their feet in thunderous applause) in order to know how other empty souls are responding.
    They really were 'Stepford'-like.
    I used the words, "sad display" earlier, but it's so much worse....not sure if there is a word for it, evil doesn't even seem to suffice.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Yes, because Republicans always cheer and support Democratic presidents' SOTU addresses.

      Every year, people gripe about the opposition party as though they are singularly awful, when they all behave similarly at the SOTU.

      Boring.

      1. Credence2 profile image80
        Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Thanks, Panther, my thoughts went along those lines as well.

        1. jackclee lm profile image82
          jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, but you have to admit the optics was bad no matter which side does it...

          1. Credence2 profile image80
            Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

            I do, but as Panther points out, the GOP do not exactly behave like choir boys during these events when there is a President from the Democratic Party.

            1. jackclee lm profile image82
              jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              It is OK not to applaud when a policy is presented by the other side, especially one that you disagree with. It is a totally dofferent situation when the topic is universal and you sit there like a log just because you don’t like the person making it.
              Just stupid and childish...

              If Trump announced a cure for cancer, would you applaud?

              1. gmwilliams profile image83
                gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Trump has done some good things for this country.  However, there are people unfortunately who REFUSE to give him credit.   Yes, Trump has his faults but he also has strengths.   One has to be analytical here.

              2. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Lol, you all are hilarious. There were quite a few moments when Democrats stood and applauded. You act as though they didn't happen.

                Yes, you all have a right to vent, but at least be honest about it.

                1. jackclee lm profile image82
                  jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Did you missed the part about late term abortion?
                  I say Kamala Harris shaking her head...what was that about?

                  Yes, they applauded when Trump congradulate the women opin white for the largest number of women elected to Congress...
                  USA...USA...USA...

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                    PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this
          2. PrettyPanther profile image83
            PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, it always looks bad for the opposition party. That's why it's silly to gripe about it.

      2. abwilliams profile image55
        abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I am very specific in what I was appalled by.

  5. Kenna McHugh profile image90
    Kenna McHughposted 12 months ago

    What happened to "Government for the People"?

    1. abwilliams profile image55
      abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Indeed Kenna, "Government of, by and for the People."
      Isn't the biggest part of the leftist, socialist agenda, for Government to be over, above and in charge of the People?

      1. jackclee lm profile image82
        jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Well, with these people elected to Congress, perhaps we do need a strong government. These people have no principles and need some guidance. 
        A strong government is better than no government.

        1. abwilliams profile image55
          abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Jack, the people need to ensure that activists, such as AOC; void of principle, guidance, knowledge of our Constitution, apparently...a soul... aren't elected!
          What works for us, what has always worked for us, is our government designed just as it was, with we the people in charge, but we've got back to get back to teaching the basics of how this all works to our children.

          1. jackclee lm profile image82
            jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Agreed 100%. The reason millennials is confused is because of the liberal education. We need to change our education system where they teach the basics of civics.

            1. abwilliams profile image55
              abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Hear, Hear and Amen.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Do you have a college degree?

                1. abwilliams profile image55
                  abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Yes, in Business, why? What does that have to do with anything?

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                    PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    How many professors did you have who espoused socialism?

            2. GA Anderson profile image92
              GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              jackclee, would you offer an example on a "basics of civics" that you think isn't being taught now?

              GA

          2. GA Anderson profile image92
            GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            What about the people that elected her abwilliams, shouldn't they be able to choose who they want to represent them?

            Couldn't they have elected her because she did have principles and ideas that agreed with theirs?

            Obviously she doesn't have those things as you determine to be, but about the 'other shoe'? Can you deny that the exact same thing you said about her could be said by others regarding Pres. Trump?

            GA

            1. abwilliams profile image55
              abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              GA, my initial response is to go back to that very last sentence, "we must get back to teaching the basics of how this all works, to our children."
              Otherwise, they will continue to vote for those they see as celebrities and/or for things they'd prefer not to have to work for, without giving any thought to the long term harm they do.

              I was reluctant about Trump from the get-go, for the celebrity aspect, I felt people were caught up in the celebrity of Trump and I was all about Cruz. Trump has proven me wrong and he has won me over. If AOC proves me wrong....and she is only pretending to be a socialist, I'll be proven wrong once again and I will admit it.

              1. GA Anderson profile image92
                GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Hi abwilliams, Had your first paragraph, (here), been your original response I would have heartily endorsed it.

                I can't get onboard with the AOC bashing just because her views are in extreme opposition to mine, or because she appears naive to me. And as you noted from my response to your comment, I think that such anti-AOC comments need a little of what jackclee is always promoting - a few basic civics lessons.

                Hold on now, wait, don't take that personally. Your "explanation" covers it.

                GA

  6. Kenna McHugh profile image90
    Kenna McHughposted 12 months ago

    It's not gripe. It's having a say. We need to be heard.

    1. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      SPEAK, SPEAK, SPEAK...……...People do have a right to their opinion.

  7. Kenna McHugh profile image90
    Kenna McHughposted 12 months ago

    Exactly and look what happened to Venezuela. Socialism does not work. The government gives power to the people.

    1. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      +100000000000000000000000000000 Kenna!   When will SOME PEOPLE learn??!

      1. abwilliams profile image55
        abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Socialists in the United States of America, do not want to talk about, hear about or know about Venezuela!

        1. gmwilliams profile image83
          gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Of course not, Socialists have a quite utopic, if not delusional, view of their politics.   Every intelligent person knows that socialism is bad-it is the gateway to……...communism.   Why don't some people SEE this?!  I am a Liberal Democrat who is discerning & KNOWS BETTER...…..Why are so many Liberal Democrats...……..mere sheeple?  Sad, isn't it...…..

  8. Live to Learn profile image81
    Live to Learnposted 12 months ago

    That display by them and Pelosi is what I see as the problem with some women in politics.  Pelosi acted little different than I observed of Clinton, on the floor of the Senate. Holier than thou, unable to act without emotion, lacking civility. Pelosi running across the floor recently and interrupting a speaker, calling him 'nothing' or some rot.

    Such a proud moment for women. Not.

    1. abwilliams profile image55
      abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Agreed LtL, any person that takes pride in the pathetic display of these women, is as lost as they are.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image83
        PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Yes, because any woman doesn't agree with your brilliance is lost.

        1. abwilliams profile image55
          abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          PP, you were comfortable with these women sitting on their hands, while President Trump was talking about eliminating the horrific act of terminating a full-term baby? You were comfortable with that? I've never claimed to be brilliant, but I do have a heart.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image83
            PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Did you not see the several times they stood and applauded, or did you watch an edited version?

            1. abwilliams profile image55
              abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Again, I repeat, I have been very specific in what it was that I was appalled by last night.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                So, you oppose allowing the family to.choose  when the life of the mother is at stake or the fetus is not viable? You want government to decide for them?

                1. abwilliams profile image55
                  abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  So, you are okay with the mental health of the woman being reason enough to abort? What about Governor Northam's explanation of making a baby comfortable before Parents and Physicians decide what to do with a defective baby after birth, are you okay with that? Who decides what makes a baby defective? What if a girl was expected to be a boy, does that make her defective? You tell me...how far would you let it go?

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                    PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    I am okay with the family and their doctors making those decisions. Apparently, you want the government to make them.

                  2. IslandBites profile image87
                    IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Not what he said. This is what he said:

                    “This is why decisions such as this should be made by providers, physicians, and the mothers and fathers that are involved. When we talk about third-trimester abortions, this is done with the consent of obviously the mothers, with the consent of the physicians, more than one physician, by the way and it’s done in cases where there may be severe deformities. There may be a fetus that’s non-viable.
                    So in this particular example- a woman is about to give birth and is dilating- if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen,the infant would be delivered. The infant would be kept comfortable. The infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and the family desired, and then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont … kTopSKo1xs

          2. PrettyPanther profile image83
            PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this
  9. Onusonus profile image79
    Onusonusposted 12 months ago

    Just a bunch of crybaby losers.
    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51875726_10205332904437486_7147396188424110080_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=af816a46cc75eaf43092729e0290762e&oe=5CEAA023

    1. abwilliams profile image55
      abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Priceless!

  10. abwilliams profile image55
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    Do you agree it has begun by the third trimester Cred?
    Too bad that all of this has been allowed to go so much further than where it began.
    Which was bad enough!
    I've had friends attempt suicide, otherwise living in depression, on meds or drinking all of the time to eliminate the pain .....because when they were very young girls, in junior high school, no one properly prepared them for what abortion is and what the long term effects would be on them...they only received their blessing!

    But, you can call the opposition to it something else if you'd like.

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      If I had to question the procedure at all, it would be problematic to abort when the fetus has developed to the point where it could survive outside the womb. Then options like adoption and such are available.

      With the exception of children that are genetically non-viable (encephalitic) for example, the state steps in at this at the normal point of independent viability of the fetus and can express its concern for the maintenance of life.

      1. abwilliams profile image55
        abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        My daughter was just telling about her friend who is currently preganant. It is a planned pregnancy, but they’ve just found out that the baby’s brain is growing outside of the skull. It is called encephalocele and it occurs in the United States, less than 400 times per year. Obviously these things happen, they are very rare in the modern era, but happen. As awful as this sounds and I assumed the worst, there are options and they are going through them right now with their Doctor.

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Just as the old JAMAICAN proverb states, "where there is life, there is hope".

          If there is any chance, go for it.

          1. abwilliams profile image55
            abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            I concur! Have a great day.

  11. abwilliams profile image55
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    “There MAY be a fetus that’s non-viable”, “the infant would be delivered”, “the infant would be kept comfortable”,  “the infant would be resuscitated if that’s what the mother and family desired.”

    A discussion ensues and then what?

    1. IslandBites profile image87
      IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      They will get a pillow and kill the baby. roll

    2. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      I dont know. Do you think you should make that decision?

    3. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      I am pro-choice & believe in abortion for the first trimester.  Procedures are routinely performed when there is an ectopic pregnancy or when the pregnancy endangers the mother's life.  However, I don't believe in late term abortions which I deem as murder!  A slippery slope was reached when the act of late term abortion was written into law.

  12. abwilliams profile image55
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    I think the little human being, at the very least, has a Right to have a chance.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      If continuing a pregnancy endangers the life of the mother, do you believe the rights of the fetus supersede the rights of the mother? I don't.

      1. abwilliams profile image55
        abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I wonder how often that happens in 2019.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Hardly ever. Look it up.

          1. abwilliams profile image55
            abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Then why are there so many abortions?

            1. PrettyPanther profile image83
              PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              It is legal before a certain number of weeks gestation.

              1. gmwilliams profile image83
                gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                +10000000000000000000000000,PP.  We have far more in common than what is supposed.  I am staunchly pro-choice in terms of abortion.  I have personally seen the effects of unwanted pregnancies on my two maternal aunts.  Their youthful dreams were crushed.  Although there is contraception, contraception isn't 100 proof in some cases & accidents occur.  No girl/woman should be punished for accidents.   That is why Roe vs. Wade was instituted.   Studies show that teenagers who were mothers were more likely not to finish high school & be poor or impoverished.  No teenaged girl should derail her dreams because of an unwanted pregnancy.  Also, there was the draconian premise of shot gun weddings- how barbaric is that?!

                1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                  PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Yes, on this we agree.

              2. abwilliams profile image55
                abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                So it is not about women's health?

                1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                  PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  OMG. We were originally discussing the NY and Virginia laws having to do with late-term abortions.

                  Are you trying to change the parameters of the discusdion? If you are, I'm not interested in continuing, since you are clearly prone to.game playing and misinformation.

                  1. abwilliams profile image55
                    abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    OMG you posed the question, "if continuing the pregnancy endangers the life of the mother, do the rights of the fetus supersede the rights of the mother?"

      2. gmwilliams profile image83
        gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I don't either.  I also feel that no woman should endure an unwanted pregnancy.  It is damaging to her physically, mentally, emotionally, & even psychically.  It is more humane to have an abortion than it is to have an unwanted child which will be subject to abuse.  I agree w/you, PP.

  13. IslandBites profile image87
    IslandBitesposted 12 months ago

    According to the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, abortions after 21 weeks make up less than 1.3% of all abortions in the United States. This means that abortions that occur beyond 24 weeks make up less than 1% of all procedures.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Thank you. That is what we were discussing.

  14. abwilliams profile image55
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    I am not offended, it goes much deeper than that.

    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Care to share?

      1. abwilliams profile image55
        abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Appalled, sickened, disgusted, disappointed and scared for humankind.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Huh. I have a hard time understanding this. We all know that late-term abortions can only be done in certain very stringent circumstances, at least some of which you seem to agree with. Trump 's statement was a deliberate false framing of the issue to elicit a visceral emotional response from people who might not fully understand why he would be saying it. Do you expect intelligent women to play into that craven emotional manipulation? I am proud they didn't.

          1. abwilliams profile image55
            abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Is "feeling anxious" a very stringent circumstance? It can be used. It's a mental condition.

            This has gone far beyond stringent circumstances, you can pretend all day that it hasn't, that will not change the fact.

            I expect intelligent women to give a damn about human life.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image83
              PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Do you have evidence that "feeling anxious" can be used as a valid reason for a late-term abortion?

              1. abwilliams profile image55
                abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Do you want her name?

                1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                  PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Sure, I did ask for evidence. Why would you doubt I actually want it?

                  1. abwilliams profile image55
                    abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Right and I'll give you my Social Security number while I am at it, because we know each other so very well.

  15. IslandBites profile image87
    IslandBitesposted 12 months ago

    Before judging 'late-term abortion,' understand what it means, doctors say

    -Dr. Barbara Levy: The phrase "late-term abortion" is medically inaccurate and has no clinical meaning. In science and medicine, it's essential to use language precisely. In pregnancy, to be "late term" means to be past 41 weeks gestation, or past a patient's due date. Abortions do not occur in this time period, so the phrase is contradictory.

    -It's important to note, if a woman's health or life is at risk and the fetus is viable, delivery is pursued, not abortion.

    -If a person needs to end their pregnancy after 24 weeks, there are a limited number of places in the country where they can do that, and the approval process for that procedure is scrupulous.

    -For women who need abortion care in the third trimester, there are very few places across the country where this care is accessible, and it is very rarely covered by insurance. Typically, these procedures would cost in the thousands of dollars. Moreover, many women would have to travel by plane to reach these providers, so in addition to the cost of the care, they are incurring the cost of travel and lodging.

    -Abortion later in pregnancy is not used as an alternative to delivering healthy women's full-term, viable pregnancies.

    Full article
    https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/06/heal … index.html

  16. Onusonus profile image79
    Onusonusposted 12 months ago

    Sometimes Socialists just like to wear white.
    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/51297192_2249407301763961_5422276076669763584_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=3ea8368a4c90b65856dda5e20eb78ef1&oe=5CEBCA02

    1. PrettyPanther profile image83
      PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Why do you feel the need to bash those women by implying some nefarious intent for which there is no evidence?

      It's so dishonest.

      1. Onusonus profile image79
        Onusonusposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        So are the promises of socialism.

        1. Valeant profile image96
          Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Oh...and you shouldn't have supported that bailout for the farmers either that Trump caused.

          https://hubstatic.com/14403606.jpg

          1. gmwilliams profile image83
            gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            https://hubstatic.com/14277990.jpg
            Not talking about humane nor capital improvement programs but talking about excessive social programs such as welfare & institutionalized government healthcare, not to mention other inane social welfare programs, THANK YOU!!!!!  By the way, we PAY into social security so it isn't assistance- one would say that it is a savings plan!

          2. Readmikenow profile image95
            Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Sorry, but you need to learn about the concept of socialism.  It deals with something called economics.  Socialism seeks to control the source of production in a society.  All those things you mentioned such as roads, medicare, public schools etc. are paid for by tax revenue created by capitalism. In order to understand this concept I suggest you read a book called "Wealth of Nations" by Adam Smith.  It was written in 1776, but the concepts are being used right now.  Do I need to explain the concept of "source of production?"  Your meme only shows a total and complete lack of understanding when it comes to socialism and economy.

            1. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Alright, where in America does the state seek to control the means of production?

              The so called classic definition of socialism.

              1. Readmikenow profile image95
                Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Exactly.  The United States is a hugely successful capitalistic country.  I was responding to the meme above.  All government programs in the United States are funded from taxes resulting from economic capitalism.  Socialism destroys countries because under that system the government does control the means of production.  People's freedom to succeed to the best of their abilities is taken away.

            2. Valeant profile image96
              Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              And you need to learn about Democratic socialism since your side clearly doesn't understand the differences between the two and only calls it socialism out of fear.  The meme I posted aimed to amplify what Democratic socialists believe, that the government can use it's tax revenue resources to directly assist in the well-being of its citizenry.

              In the present day, "Democratic socialist" and "socialist" are often treated as interchangeable terms, which can be confusing given Democratic socialists don't necessarily think the government should take control of all aspects of the economy.

              Democratic socialists also believe strongly in democracy and democratic principles. They are by no means proponents of authoritarian government systems many Americans associate socialism with.

              Am I sold on its principles?  No.  But it gets tiring hearing every single conservative, including Trump, mislabel it and only use Venezuela as the one example.  When the reality is that countries like Sweden, Bolivia, Denmark, Canada, and Norway, who rank much higher than the US in many major categories, have functional models of government rooted in socialist principles.

              1. abwilliams profile image55
                abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Valeant, "the well-being of our citizenry" was mapped out long ago, designed to last, via our founding documents.

                1. Valeant profile image96
                  Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Oh?  Please point out where with specifics.

                  1. jackclee lm profile image82
                    jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Promote the general welfare...
                    You need to read it once in a while to refresh your memory. Some of us was taught this but apparently, they don’t teach it any more.
                    I am always surprised to find politicians and even judges who have little understanding of our Constitution.

              2. Credence2 profile image80
                Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Fundamentally, restraining the abuses and excesses inherent in a capitalist form of economy is labeled by conservatives as "socialist".

                1. wilderness profile image96
                  wildernessposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Fundamentally, redistribution of wealth in an effort to improve the life of individuals rather than "promote the general welfare" of the nation is labeled by conservatives as "socialist".

                  1. Readmikenow profile image95
                    Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Sweden, Bolivia, Denmark, Canada?  Bolivia?  How well do you think any of these countries would do without the United States as a trading partner?  NONE of them are even close to having the economy of the United States.  Proof that the more the government stays away from the means of production the more successful an economy.  China has the second largest economy because it started using principles of capitalism in their economy.  When it was a straight communist/socialist country, it was a third world country.

          3. Onusonus profile image79
            Onusonusposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            I didn't. I'm not a Trump supporter.

        2. PrettyPanther profile image83
          PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          At least you admit it was dishonest.

          Their wearing of white had nothing to do with socialism at all, of course. It makes you appear to be not only dishonest but ignorant.

  17. Credence2 profile image80
    Credence2posted 12 months ago

    The women in white works to draw attention to the more diverse Democrat party as compared to the GOP with primarily white men in gray flannel suits. What a contrast!!

    1. gmwilliams profile image83
      gmwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      There is nothing wrong with newness, progress, nor diversity.  One must evolve to be relevant.

  18. gmwilliams profile image83
    gmwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    I also want a LIMITED government, VERY LIMITED.    I believe that people have to be RESPONSIBLE for their health, housing, education, & other amenities in life.   I believe that people should be free regarding their reproductive choices & health but that is ON THEM, not the government.   I want social & welfare programs reduced to AT LEAST 85%- get people WORKING & RESPONSIBLE.  That is ALL I ask.  Since the disaster known as the Great Society was implemented, the middle class(my parents & then I) paid the BRUNT of the taxes to these inane social & welfare programs.   Time to CUT THE FAT...…….CUT THAT FAT!

  19. Onusonus profile image79
    Onusonusposted 12 months ago

    All those Democrats in white remind me of something. Oh yeah, they created the KKK.
    http://www.usmessageboard.com/attachments/image-jpeg.114921/

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Correct at the time, afterwards the parties reversed in their treatment of ex-slaves and the values of their parties.

      1. Onusonus profile image79
        Onusonusposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Wrong as usual, the Democrats have never been on the side of civil rights and still struggle with the concept of equal protection under the law. They want special rights for special interest groups, just as they always have. Same party, same strategy.

  20. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 12 months ago

    https://hubstatic.com/14404920.jpg

    1. abwilliams profile image55
      abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      I missed this one Mike. Powerful.

  21. PrettyPanther profile image83
    PrettyPantherposted 12 months ago

    The irony of anyone who supports or defends Trump saying Elizabeth Warren has too much baggage is just so damned funny.

    And...

    I just read through today's comments, and let me just say I am already sick of the stupid and erroneous "he/she is a socialist" crap, the stupid and erroneous "no one but me understands the constitution" crap, and the "if you think the rich need to be taxed more it means you hate them and think they're evil" crap.

    Gawd, it's going to be a long primary season.

    1. abwilliams profile image55
      abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Speaking of "irony" and to bring this back to where it started...just caught some of the Whitaker Hearing while on my lunch break.
      Am I really expected to take Democratic women, such as Ms. Jayapal, seriously when she uses words such as, “horrors”, “ripped apart from their children”, “zero humanity policy”, with her holier-than-thou tone, when speaking of separating illegal families at the border, when we all just witnessed her stone-faced death stare, sitting on her hands (in solidarity with other Dem women) during the S.O.T.U., when the President spoke of eliminating the “horiffic” act of late term destruction of babies?

      Gawd!

      1. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I completely agree with you abwilliams - regarding the Whitaker hearings.

        But, unfortunately for us, it would have been the same sad showing if it were the Republicans sitting where the Democrats were. We have seen this show before. From both parties.

        GA

        1. abwilliams profile image55
          abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          No argument from me, we’ve seen plenty of showboating from both sides over the years! But....that woman, attempting to work up a cry and make a scene “for the children”, over a necessary policy, which has been in place to PROTECT the children.....after her despicable behavior during the S.O.T.U., when the topic was ending the practice of killing full-term babies, was a bit much for me to handle.

          I must say though, Whitaker is quite the character, he was certainly getting under the skin of the inquisitors....“Um Mr. Chairman, I see that your five minutes is up.”  Love it.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image92
            Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            So AB, how many of your children have you had ripped from your arms? You must've had this experience as you speak so knowledgeable about the subject, right?


            And Whitaker made a fool of himself with his remark to the majority leader by not knowing the rules of the oversight committee. But then....you love him for it.  lol

            1. abwilliams profile image55
              abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              You do realize Randy that this portion of border policy is in place to make sure children are with family members or people who have their best interest at heart?
              Also, in your eagerness to play Inquisitor...you've entirely missed my point.

              As for Whitaker, I was impressed that he could keep his cool and his sense of humor with that crowd.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Would that be none?  lol "You've entirely missed to my" question. And you would be impressed by him, no doubt!

                1. abwilliams profile image55
                  abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Anyone showing up at the border, especially with children, MUST be properly vetted, because we have a huge human trafficking problem in this Country.
                  There's nothing funny about any of that!
                  So yes, there is a separation process which doesn't involve any "ripping" apart, so dramatically described by Ms. Jayapal in her performance.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    So, you still haven't answered my query, AB? What is YOUR personal experience with having a child ripped away from you? Answer, since you seem to think you know something we don't....

    2. abwilliams profile image55
      abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      I need a drink, is it 5:00 somewhere? I think we've covered just about everything ya'll!
      Have a great weekend!

    3. Live to Learn profile image81
      Live to Learnposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Looks like there's crap enough to go around now.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image83
        PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        True that.

  22. abwilliams profile image55
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    Deep breaths.....I should probably listen to smooth jazz instead!

    1. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Relax...everything will be OK...I find myself in such state of turmoil. Then I just breathe.

      1. abwilliams profile image55
        abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Thanks Jack, enjoy the weekend!

  23. PrettyPanther profile image83
    PrettyPantherposted 12 months ago

    My husband and I are planning a trip to Florida along with a Caribbean cruise. We were originally going to D.C., but....

    1. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Florida is great, no income tax, low cost of living, great weather, and friendly people...No wonder, so many people from NY and NJ are relocating there...

    2. abwilliams profile image55
      abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Good choice. The weather here in Florida is picture perfect right now!

    3. IslandBites profile image87
      IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      You should stop at PR! big_smile

      https://canariolagoonhotel.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/7v2-750x330.jpg

      1. PrettyPanther profile image83
        PrettyPantherposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        We just might. We are still looking at different.options and that's oncluded. Gorgeous!

      2. abwilliams profile image55
        abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Beautiful...

      3. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        One of my best Navy stories happened in Old San Juan. But that was before your time.

        GA

        1. IslandBites profile image87
          IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          My beautiful Viejo San Juan. Care to share? big_smile

          1. GA Anderson profile image92
            GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Ha! The story is a bit raunchy, and a lot young dumb sailor, with a sardonic and humorous touch of irony. But sure, I will share, (the Statute of Limitations has long passed ;-) )

            But be forewarned, it involves the typical male attitudes, (in particular male sailors), of 1972. Which would doom me to banishment if displayed in today's world.

            To set the stage: I was an unmarried 19-year-old sailor from Small Town U.S.A. and Puerto Rico was a Port of Call on my first overseas deployment. I had just finished 18 months of Boot Camp in San Diago, and A-school training in Illinois. (in the winter cold of Illinois)

            So back to Puerto Rico. My very first Port of Call. And, I had just gotten my first Petty Officer's stripe on my sleeve. As the old saying goes, I was young, dumb, and full of piss & vinegar
            .
            https://hubstatic.com/14406205.jpg

            (that is not me, but it is a good representation of the attitude)

            When that kind of sailor hits a port after being at sea for an extended time there are two things on his mind. Getting drunk, and getting laid. The better things, like; sight-seeing, exploring different cultures, finding souvenirs and meeting different people are a bit further down the list of priorities.

            An older sailor that had been to San Juan before said he knew just the place to go. So at about 10 am, off we went. Into the heat of San Juan dressed in those Summer Whites

            Our destination was a government controlled whore house!

            But not one like any whore house image that typically comes to mind. This one was a walled single-story compound, with a gated entrance manned by government officials in brown police-type uniforms.

            The image below isn't the compound, it is just somewhat representative of the interior of the compound. Three sides with single or multi-room segments. Sort of like those old roadside motels. And a circular cantina in the center of a dirt courtyard.

            https://hubstatic.com/14406153_f1024.jpg

            That is the stage, here is the story.

            I entered those gates like a kid going to Disney Land. I could legally drink here, and I could legally ...

            Our first stop was the main meet & greet cantina, under-roof against the back wall of the compound. Took seats at a table in a darkened room, ordered rum, and smiled as the girls came over to entice us to pick them. Some even used the unfair tactic of lap dances!

            Damn, life was good! But, my experienced friend said not to rush things. Have a few drinks, enjoy the scenery, (and the lap dances), just enjoy the morning before rushing into anything.

            Sounded good to me. So a few more rounds of rum & cokes it was. (very strong rum and cokes)

            (I bet you can see what's coming can't you?)

            It wasn't long before I was feeling so good I decided to take a stroll to that open cantina in the courtyard before committing myself to an inside choice.

            That cantina had ice cream! Glory be, I bought a couple ice cream sandwiches and took them, (and my rum & coke), out to sit in the sun on the cantina steps. That was the best ice cream I ever rented.

            Before long both ice cream sandwiches and those rum and cokes were in a puddle on the ground in front of me. I barely remember my buddies stuffing me in a cab at the front gate, but I do remember stumbling back up the ship gangplank just as the mess call for lunch was sounding.

            I slept until they woke me for the mid-watch, and we left port the next morning. At least I accomplished one of those Port of Call goals.

            Fortunately, I had two other Puerto Rico port calls. I behaved myself and took scooter excursions to see the island and do a little legal gambling. One compound visit in a lifetime was enough.

            GA

            1. IslandBites profile image87
              IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Ooook lol

              (Yes, it was before my time. big_smile ) But now I'm interested in the name and place of that building.

              *On a side note... That kind of architecture is characteristic of the Spanish Colonial era, the use of interior courtyards as a source of ventilation and light.

              1. GA Anderson profile image92
                GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Oook was an expected reply. ;-)

                That was just a representative picture I pulled off the net. The compound of the story was similar in layout, but it was all brown-walled. The dirt courtyard was as in the original compound.

                I am not certain, but I think the story's compound was in or around a place called La Perla.

                I tried a little digging around to find the name of the original compound but had no success.

                GA

                1. IslandBites profile image87
                  IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  Do you remember if it was close to the forts? (Btw, La Perla is in that same street. AlsoI, in that street used to be a famous brothel but it was in the early 1900s)

                  I know of a couple of places that used to be brothels in Old San Juan, but I'm not sure if they fit the description.

                  (I know. I can't help myself. The historian in me.)

                  1. GA Anderson profile image92
                    GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Can't help you anymore Islandbites. All I remember is that it was in Old San Juan. The La Perla reference was drawn from info I stumbled across as I searched for information too.

                    Remember, this was 45+ years ago. ;-)

                    plus, jackclee says I have to get back on topic. I don't think any of the women in my story were women in white so I better move on.

                    GA

            2. jackclee lm profile image82
              jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              GA, that is quite a story. You should consider writing a hub and not posting it in a forum. It will get much more audience.
              You are also getting off topic...

              1. GA Anderson profile image92
                GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Of course it was on topic.

                "Women in White," "Sailors in White"
                "Women celebrating" "Sailors celebrating"
                ... and I could go on. ;-)

                ps. I have published personal stories like that, and like poetry, there is very little traffic. See for yourself. Google "Pop Cliff Series" I think they are great stories, but no audience for them. (now I am really off-topic)

                GA

            3. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              And you didn't get laid that day?  Bummer! yikes

              1. GA Anderson profile image92
                GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Nope, and yes. But look at the silver lining ... a good story to tell.

                GA

                1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                  Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  The ending was rather...….anticlimactic! Is that the proper word to describe your experience?    tongue

                  1. GA Anderson profile image92
                    GA Andersonposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    I don't know Randy, it might be said that the ejection of that ice cream and those rum & cokes amounted to a shuddering climax of my day.

                    GA ;-)

    4. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Try Negril, Jamaica for a less expensive trip than Florida and a lot more exotic and beautiful. We once went every year and can vacation there for much less than a trip to Fla, including the flights.

      1. IslandBites profile image87
        IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Really? Jamaica used to be expensive. Good to know.

  24. PrettyPanther profile image83
    PrettyPantherposted 12 months ago

    We will check it out. My husband is from Florida so he wants to visit old friends and old stomping grounds. Me, I love to travel so I'm happy wherever we go.

    1. IslandBites profile image87
      IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      FL to PR is cheap and no passport needed. big_smile


      (Yeah, Im not getting paid for the promo...Buy you all should visit!) lol

      1. Readmikenow profile image95
        Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I would like to voice support in visiting Puerto Rico.  I have been in many places in the world and  Isla Verde beach is one of the most beautiful I've ever experienced.  There are also some very nice beaches, restaurants and more.  I have a friend who lives there, so I've been more than once.   I would suggest speaking with the locals to know what areas to avoid as there are some areas, as in all places, that need to be avoided.  If you go there to enjoy the beaches, eat at nice places and have a good time, expect to have a great time.

        1. IslandBites profile image87
          IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          Thank you. smile

          1. Readmikenow profile image95
            Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            No...thank you! Puerto Rico has always been a great place to visit. My friend's wife make the best asopao.  I'm sure we can agree it's good to avoid La Perla.  Always have a good time when I go there.

            1. IslandBites profile image87
              IslandBitesposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Funny. I'm making asopao. lol

              La Perla is not as bad as it used to be. But yes, safer to avoid some places, especially at night, more so if you're a tourist.

              If anyone is curious
              https://youtu.be/M-4SRi63gVQ?t=322

  25. abwilliams profile image55
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    Okay, you keep telling yourself abortion only happens when a woman's life is in danger and that the wording in all of these new bills is only about protecting women in danger, as a result of the pregnancy.

  26. abwilliams profile image55
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    Are you referring to the ones that were brought here sick Randy?

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Of course, along with those we can't find anything about, AB? Were you concerned about the lives of the mothers in your abortion comment?

  27. abwilliams profile image55
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    Do not patronize me Valeant. I know very well what is going on with these laws

    1. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      He is clueless.

      1. jackclee lm profile image82
        jackclee lmposted 12 months agoin reply to this
      2. Valeant profile image96
        Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        That coming from the guy who specializes in digital imagery but tries to play a political scientist on the internet.  Too funny.

    2. Valeant profile image96
      Valeantposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't.  What I hear you saying is that you do not care about the lives of women when the pregnancy puts them in danger.  That's some pro-life definition you have.

  28. Readmikenow profile image95
    Readmikenowposted 12 months ago

    https://hubstatic.com/14410474.jpg

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Very cute, Mike!  You're simply a little sweetie. lol

      1. Readmikenow profile image95
        Readmikenowposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Hope you're having a good day Randy.  Except for our crappy weather, mine is going great.

  29. abwilliams profile image55
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    Alrighty.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      You win!

      1. abwilliams profile image55
        abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        Thank you.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

          You're welcome!

          1. abwilliams profile image55
            abwilliamsposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            Word

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Weird

  30. abwilliams profile image55
    abwilliamsposted 12 months ago

    Ditto

 
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