Tulsi Gabbard Parts Ways with the Democratic Party

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   abwilliamsposted 2 years ago

   
   Former Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard posted a video on Twitter announcing that she is "leaving the Democratic Party", calling on "fellow common sense independent minded Democrats" to join her. She stated that today's Democratic Party is "driven by cowardly wokeness and hostile to people of faith and spirituality" "The left divide by racializing every issue and they stoke anti-white racism. They work to undermine our God-given freedoms."
   She also stated that she "believes in government that is of, by and for the people and that today's Democratic Party does not."
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   I say, you go girl, may God richly bless your path, wherever it may lead you. We haven't seen the last of this exceptionally brave and principled former Congresswoman.
   
   I say, what took you so long?
   
   What say you?

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      Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The move is great. The  Democrate Party seems to be a dunb ass under  Joseph Biden.

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         abwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Hi Miebakagh, the Democratic Party was falling apart long before Joe Biden made his return to office!
         Tulsi has known this for quite a while. I am so happy for her and wish her all the best, whatever her next move might be...she has conquered her demons.

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            Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            I chanced to notice that when Pelosi, become  Speaker, in Congress.

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               abwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               Don't get me started on Nancy Pelosi, I was very vocal about permanently retiring her, but she is much more powerful than I!! I don't trust that woman any further than I could physically pick her up and throw her!

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                  Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  abWilliam, seriously. I would have did the same thing too. She's backing up, or behind every democratic move.

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         gmwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         +10000000000, the Democratic Party has gone LEFT.   Don't blame her one bit.   So called "presidents" Obama & Biden ruined the Democratic Party.   They are utter s............

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            Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            That I understood. Thanks.

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   Rupert Taylorposted 2 years ago

   Posted on the wrong forum, but while you are here, HuffPost reports "former New Jersey Gov. Christine Todd Whitman; former Pennsylvania Gov. Tom Ridge; former Transportation Secretary Mary Peters; and former Reps. Charlie Dent (Pa.) and Barbara Comstock (Va.), reported Reuters."
   
   In addition, in the month after the January 6, 2021 attempted coup "An analysis of January voting records by The New York Times found that nearly 140,000 Republicans had quit the party in 25 states that had readily available data (19 states do not have registration by party)."

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      abwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I thought I had deleted this when I realized that I had posted in the wrong forum. I have it posted in the right forum now. Thanks!

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      abwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Can't delete it, apparently!
      Your first paragraph stops short, what about these people? They quit the (R) party?
      I am sure they have their reasons, just as Tulsi does.

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   Rupert Taylorposted 2 years ago

   My mistake, yes they quit the Republican party. Note to self - re-read before hitting "post."

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   abwilliamsposted 2 years ago

   I can't critique, I do it myself.

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   Valeantposted 2 years ago

   Pretty sure the Democrat Party left her first.  She garnered no support in her presidential run and is viewed by many in the party as a Russian sympathizer.

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   abwilliamsposted 2 years ago

   "A Russian sympathizer"...come on V, you're still buying into all of that? That may be why you can't move on as Tulsi has done.
   But I do agree with you on one thing, she isn't the first and will not be the last to state that the woke, wayward and wicked Democratic Party, left them, not vice versa.

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      wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      He's probably right - anyone not on the Democrat bandwagon, and vociferously so, is a misogynist, racist, communist and a trumpster.

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         abwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Oh I agree, vociferously!

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         Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         Communist is wrong... you meant to say "Russian sympathizer".
         
         Misogynist, Racist, Russian sympathizer, Trumpster.
         
         If you do not fully support the Democratic Party and Biden you are ALL of those things.
         
         You are also a threat to Democracy.

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            wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Ah yes - I forgot the Threat To Democracy.  Very important, that one.
            
            I stand corrected as well, in the Russian Sympathizer as well - you are correct on that.

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   Ken Burgessposted 2 years ago

   Peace is not appeasement — it’s avoiding a nuclear Armageddon
   
   Biden is the worst President in history, and this can be summarized in one quip he gave in a CNN interview the other night, where he told Jake Tapper he doesn't see a good reason to sit down with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
   
   Finding ways to open up communications with Putin to try to end the fighting, to avoid further collapse of the global economy and trade, to avoid nuclear war, would clearly be in our national interest to do so.
   
   Biden obviously doesn't think so.
   
   Right now, new sanctions and even a new U.S. led military command are being set up for the long continuous war with Russia, even now targets in Russia are being bombed.
   
   Ukraine has NO ability to carry out attacks on Russia, in Russia, on its own.
   
   The possibility that Russia will feel so boxed in that it will turn to its arsenal of 6,400 nuclear warheads and try to end the Ukraine war on its own terms despite the risk of a nuclear holocaust grows each day.
   
   Biden only wants to continue the war, as he put it in that interview, there will be no compromise, regardless of the growing threat of nuclear war, regardless of the fact that Ukraine cannot win unless AMERICA fights the war for it.
   
   This is the stark truth. Only America can fight this war and win... any victory going forward against Russia, any attacks within Russia, are only possible because American intel, weapons, and forces make them happen.
   
   Anything you hear counter to that, is a lie.
   
   Kyiv does not have the manpower, resources, or overall military capability to win anything. The Biden Administration is flooding them with weapons from our own military stockpiles like the HIMARS rocket system and drones. This means Washington is literally conducting a proxy war with Russia.
   
   The chances of a nuclear war increase significantly every day that passes.
   
   While Kyiv might not want a cessation of hostilities, thinking it can somehow regain not only territories lost this year but Crimea as well, it should be reminded that U.S. and NATO weapons are what has enabled it to survive to this point, and if they don't accept a cease fire, an armistice, then the U.S. and NATO will leave them to their fate.
   
   But that will never happen, because we have the worst President in American history residing over this war, and he is intent on defeating Russia, no compromise... dooming the world to the horrors to come.

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      Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ken, that's awful. There's no way to get Biden, out of the Oval Office, at the moment. America has to wait.                                       Critically, unless a new  USA President that would do what Americans want at the moment, to gather and united 'WE THE PEOPLE', America, is a loser. Kamala Harris is pointless.                                 Oddly, the truth is that the United Nations, is helpless in bringging  Vladimir Putin, to order due to the Veto system.

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         Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         It takes two to tango.
         
         Biden/Zelensky are just as stubborn, arrogant, ignorant, callous, warmongering and set on a course that may bring civilization to its knees as Putin.
         
         They don't deserve a pass on this.  They pointedly started these hostilities by saying they were taking Crimea back from Russia.  They were building up the Ukrainian forces to do just that.
         
         That was a declaration of war against Russia.
         
         Crimea seceded from Ukraine and joined Russia... in 2014!
         
         This is 2022!!!
         
         I have said it before, I'll say it again, all throughout the few decades that Crimea was part of Ukraine they tried to secede... constantly...let them be, isn't that what Democracy is supposed to be about? When the overwhelming majority of the population wants something and votes on it?
         
         Oh that's right... Democracy is only OK if it is done in the way America wants it done, and it serves America's interests.
         
         We don't belong in Ukraine, we don't belong fighting Russia, we don't belong tempting nuclear war over something we have no business injecting ourselves into.
         
         I am with Tulsi Gabbard “I can no longer remain in today’s Democratic Party that is now under the complete control of an elitist cabal of warmongers,”  
         
         She was spot on.

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            wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            We have seen portions of the US vote to secede, too.  And the response was much like Zelensky's - "Oh no you won't!".  The biggest difference was the Ukraine waited years to take much action.

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               Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

               I agree completely with both. Ken and Wilderness.                                     Ken was a military man, and was strong on both Russia and Crimea history...and  I'm previllege to hear him loud and clear.                                      Seriously, majority of the people in the Crimea, had Russia history, language, tradition, and culture. If they voted to secede, the die is cast, and they're Russians. It's therefore, pointless, and makes no sense to start a war on what had been conclude 7 years ago.                                                          Any opposing or contradicting views I've held in this forum and others on the ongoing  Russia-Crimea war, that, I withheld.                                        This is not the same issue as when the. Eastern part of Nigeria, or the Eastern Region try to secede from the rest of the country and was brought together again in a civil war.                                      Tulsi Gabbard, is still trending on. Ride on fair lady.

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                  wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  While I agree with you, it's from viewpoint outside the country and not invested in that country.  To those intimately involved with a country a secession is a very different tale.

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                     Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     Wilderness, you're okay, I'm okay.

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                     Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     Don't believe the propaganda that Crimea was occupied and taken by force.
                     
                     This piece was made in 2017 about life in Crimea, under Russian rule:
                     
                     https://youtu.be/lzO7gIT5GYU
                     
                     That is what this war is about, Ukraine deciding to take Crimea back by force.  Everything else has been in reaction to that change. 
                     
                     While the Donbas region was contested, there was opportunity to negotiate a peace, not now.
                     
                     Russia will retain Crimea or Russia will cease to exist, there is no Crimea being taken by Ukraine unless Russia is destroyed.
                     
                     And only America can do that.

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                        wildernessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                        I guess it's how you define it.  Crimea was a part of Ukraine, by decree from Russia.
                        
                        Crimea wanted out, to return to Russia, or al least some of the people did.  They voted to secede from Ukraine, exactly as our South did many years ago.
                        
                        And now Ukraine says "No, a part of our country cannot decide to become part of another country instead".  Exactly as our North did, many years ago.
                        
                        You simply cannot make Ukraine the bad boys here, even if it were only Crimea (it isn't) - not when no country on earth would allow it to happen to their own soil.  This is Russia all the way (albeit with a little pushing going on), invading another country to annex large sections of it (of which Crimea is only a part).

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                           Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                           Its nothing like our country.
                           
                           Its nothing like what our country did.
                           
                           There is no comparison.
                           
                           The Southern (plantations) states wanted to form their own nation.
                           The Northern (Industry) states said hell no and forced them back in.
                           
                           Crimea, which is almost 100% Russian speaking, Russian ties, Russian heritage, wanted to secede during a time of broken revolt in Ukraine while a Westernized puppet regime was put in place.
                           
                           It did so, joining Russia.
                           
                           That should be the end of the story. 
                           
                           Ukraine has no more right to Crimea than Russia, far less so in my opinion, as the people there don't seem to want to be part of Ukraine.
                           
                           The Southern States that created the Confederacy did not speak a different language, did not have ties to a neighboring nation, and did not want to rejoin with their former homeland.

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                           Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                           Reply Part II
                           
                           You seem to be analyzing from the Western perspective only to come up with your "This is Russia all the way"
                           
                           Briefly some things to consider from the Russian perspective:
                           
                           1) Zelensky put into Ukrainian LAW that they were going to take Crimea back, by force if necessary.  2021
                           
                           2) Biden said he supported Ukraine in this 100% and that America would never recognize Crimea as Russian.  2021
                           
                           3) Biden refused to give Russia ANY concessions regarding Ukraine and NATO, Ukraine and Crimea. 2021
                           
                           4) Biden began shipping weapons, special forces (for training purposes only of course), providing intel and funding to Ukraine. 2021.
                           
                           5) Ukraine began intense shelling of the Donbas regions days before Russia began its invasion.
                           Feb 19 2022
                           Ukrainian artillery shells the residential neighborhoods of Donetsk.
                           Donetsk People's Militia Spokesman Eduard Basurin:
                           “The enemy has opened fire against the territory of the Donetsk People’s Republic over 50 times since the beginning of the day, employing 152mm and 122mm artillery guns, 120mm and 82mm mortars, firing over 300 shells,” he pointed out.
                           
                           The bombardments have affected houses and infrastructure in areas such as Gorlovka, Dokuchayevsk, Yelenovka, Ozeryanovka, Sakhanka, Zaichenko, Leninskoye, and Kominternovo.
                           
                           "We are very concerned by the reports of recent days - yesterday and the day before there was a sharp increase in shelling using weapons that are prohibited under the Minsk agreements," said the Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov, referring to peace accords aimed at ending the conflict.
                           
                           "So far we are seeing the special monitoring mission is doing its best to smooth over all questions that point to the blame of Ukraine's armed forces," said Lavrov in a news conference.
                           
                           Russia has said it is pulling some of its troops away from areas near its borders with Ukraine following military exercises, but the West insists that Moscow, on the contrary, is still building up its forces.
                           
                           https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Upd … -0004.html
                           
                           It depends on what you want to believe Wilderness and what you know.

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                        Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                        Ken, Russia, is a big world super power, like the USA and Great Britain.                                     When Kyiv, under Zelensky, took Ukraine by 'force', Putin would have acted gentlemanly, by bringging the challenge to the attention of the United Nations. Thus, the war would have been avoid.                                         Critically, it's a game of absolute power...power that corrupts and absolutely corrupted.                                     May the good Lord have mercy upon all humanity. And may He preserve us and our civilization. Thanks.

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                           Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                           Putin met with and warned the EU and American leaders, he told them he would not back down and betray the people of Crimea, he would not accept a NATO Ukraine, they ignored him, they demanded of him.
                           
                           They have not changed their tune at all, they will not negotiate, they will not recognize Crimea as Russian, they do nothing but villainize Russia, blame Russia for all the world's problems, and continue to escalate the hostilities against Russia.

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                              Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                              Ken, it's a pity. God save us.

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            Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Ken, take a look at my above post. I'm in complete agreement with you. Thanks.

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               Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

               I read it Miebakagh, thank you.
               
               Because the Russians now believe that America is attacking Russia through this war with Ukraine, they are going to go all in.
               
               I expect the Russian attack in the coming months to be far more severe than it has been up to this point.
               
               Whatever the mindset and motivation for Russia was prior to this, now they believe it is a matter of survival.

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                  Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

                  They must be a move to remove Biden from office.                                              If the Republicans try to gain the majority in the upper  House. Then, Biden should be impeached.

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                     Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

                     I wish it were just Biden and his Administration.
                     
                     I am afraid this goes across party lines, there are enough warmongering politicians on both sides that would pursue this insanity.
                     
                     It will take another person from outside DC... someone who hasn't been corrupted by that cesspool... DeSantis is a possibility.  He isn't exactly a DC insider.
                     
                     Since this is a Tulsi thread, maybe you'd like to check out her take on Ukraine that she gave a few days back:
                     
                     Tulsi Gabbard on Ukraine and the Military Industrial Complex
                     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAfwpfUBw1M

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      abwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It is unfortunate that the priority for our country became and STILL IS, stopping Trump! Stopping Trump from EVER AGAIN talking face to face with world leaders. Stopping Trump from EVER AGAIN continuing peace talks in the Middle East. Stopping Trump from EVER AGAIN working hard at securing our Nation and its borders. Stopping Trump from EVER AGAIN putting us in a position to be energy independent, no longer reliant on foreign oil, benefiting more than this Country, in the process!
      Keeping Trump from EVER AGAIN being put into office, so that Biden {or an equal} could/can, hold that post, undoing it all; putting us {we the people, the U.S.} in the most precarious position possible, to be finished off. One way or another, the means to do it, have never been so prevalent.
      
      But...this isn't about Trump or to say that no one but Trump, could accomplish such things! We have entered into a different realm/a different world, never more vulnerable!
      I don't know that we can have an honest election which is of, by and for the people, EVER AGAIN. I hope...and pray, that I am wrong!

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   Valeantposted 2 years ago

   The basic premise that is lost here is what would a neighbor of ours do if we suddenly went into, say, British Columbia and declared it was ours because it made sense to us to have a more direct line to Alaska.  You think Canada might have an issue?

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      Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I'm sure they might.
      
      What if British Columbia had been trying to secede from Canada since the moment it became part of Canada?
      
      And then suddenly the Canadian government was overthrown in an insurrection?
      
      There was no legitimate, elected government in Canada, so British Columbia then secedes and asks to join America?
      
      And then 7 years later Canada says, nah, we don't like that, we are taking back British Columbia from you, even though you say its part of America now.
      
      So yeah, what if British Columbia became part of America in a scenario just like that?
      
      Do you think America would just let it go back to Canada after accepting it as part of America and making all those people American citizens, and spending Billions of dollars on infrastructure and investments there over 7 years?
      
      I don't know what you think the answer to that would be.
      
      But I can tell you the real answer... and that would be, America would be kicking Canada's ass back to the stone age right now, and probably absorbing the entire nation making it part of America.
      
      Without America fighting this war, it would already be over. That is the very real truth. Whatever Russia's intent was, regime change, annexation of the Russian/Eastern half, it would be done... it is America that has kept this war churning.
      
      And that is why Russia is going to go all out now... because they are not fighting Ukraine and every Russian leader knows it.  They are fighting for their very survival against America, and they will go to any length now, any length, all of them, not just Putin, to win this war.

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         Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

         God save America! God have mercy upon us and save us! Amen.

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   Ken Burgessposted 2 years ago

   Came across this Carlson video on Tulsi... very interesting:
   
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKgueSM1SdM

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      tsmogposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Thanks for the video, Ken. Though I am not a Carlson fan, I appreciate the presentation. Definitely gives one thoughts to ponder.

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         Ken Burgessposted 2 years agoin reply to this

         I do attempt to steer away from FOX links as it causes many to dismiss its information as soon as they see the source.
         
         Same for linking to CNN, however, if I do link to a CNN report, I must really believe in what they are presenting.
         
         But since I am on a roll let me add a link to this flashback on Biden's Town Hall... sheesh, and people wonder why I worry about nuclear war, this is one of the key people that decides whether or not there will be one:
         
         https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyTM_C47hd8

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            abwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

            Tulsi Gabbard has not only left the Democrat Party, she has now endorsed Kari Lake (R) in her run for Governor, Arizona.
            Love it!
            
            https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/158 … osFTpS0VQA

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      abwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, thanks for sharing Ken. I am a fan of Tucker, in my opinion, he is the best in the business, when it comes to the monologue format.
      He laid out the facts, there isn't any one thing to dispute, it happened. This is how we got to this point, Tulsi's departure away from the Dem Party.
      
      I don't know if I can get behind and support Tulsi, if she decides to make a run for the Presidency. While she often displays conservative tendencies, I need to know more and I will do my homework, when and if that time comes.
      I do know that I admire anyone whether (D), (R) or (I) who have the ability, individuality, backbone and character to separate themselves from the political pack, and run alone if necessary! That's why I like Trump, abrasiveness and all!
      
      I wish her godspeed; this could all get very interesting

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    IslandBitesposted 2 years ago

    Is she relevant? Was she ever?

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       abwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       We will soon find out, won't we?

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    Credence2posted 2 years ago

    And certain people here actually expected me to believe that she could be considered a viable democrat when competing with the genuine articles.

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    abwilliamsposted 2 years ago

    Did you listen to what she has to say Cred? She is focused on the right thing, the American people! Not a political Party, not politics per usual, not the same old, same old, which does wonders for the same old, same old, but nothing for the American people!

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       TheShadowSpecterposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       In light of Tulsi Gabbard leaving the Democratic Party and the group of elected officials that Rupert Taylor mentioned leaving the Republican Party, I'm beginning to wonder if our nation is headed for the birth of a third major political party.  If that is so, then the 2024 presidential election could ultimately bring us THREE major presidential candidates to vote on instead of TWO.  And that's setting aside the presidential candidates from these small independent political parties like the Green Party, the Constitution Party, the Libertarian Party and so forth whose nominees never get invited to participate in the big debates that the mainstream news networks televise to the nation.  I mean, like, these people who are leaving the Democratic Party and the Republican Party may very well be seeking to create a third major political party here in our nation, which would definitely be history in the making.

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          abwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

          I hope so Shadow! Four would be even better. Things are getting very interesting.

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    Miebakagh57posted 2 years ago

    But can that really happen? When did the  American Constitution endorsed just two political parties?

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       abwilliamsposted 2 years agoin reply to this

       Hi Miebakagh, yes it can happen, but there have only been two primary parties going back to the mid 1800's, so whether it happens or can happen at this point, is pure speculation.
       The U.S. Constitution doesn't endorse political parties or for it to be two specifically, it's just where we are, what we have.

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          Miebakagh57posted 2 years agoin reply to this

          Good for the...Americans.

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