Is AOC proof that millennials could be America's dumbest generation?

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  1. Readmikenow profile image96
    Readmikenowposted 3 months ago

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    Many people are asking if millennials could be America's dumbest generation.  This has been highlighted by Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and her incoherent ramblings and how they make sense to millennials.  It is sad.  A sergeant once yelled at a guy next to me and said: “Are you that stupid boy or are you just puttin's on a dumb play today?”  I hope they are just acting.  It seems much of what they think they know is wrong.

    “As early as the 1950s, Britain began to privatize its social security and pension programs. By the 1990s, as decades of socialism caused economic growth to stagnate, Sweden followed suit. Neither Sweden nor Norway mandates a minimum wage, and Britain demands a minimum wage well below Ocasio-Cortez’s proposed $15 per hour. Britain and Finland offer a lower corporate tax rate than the United States, and all the nations she names have lower rates than her proposal of 28 percent. None has a health care regime as socialistic as her proposed Medicare-For-All scheme, which constitutes a full federal takeover of health care.

    Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s ignorance of economics and foreign affairs typifies her generation. Despite holding expensive degrees in both Economics and International Relations from Boston University, Ocasio-Cortez threw up her hands in exasperation during an interview on Margaret Hoover’s “Firing Line” program, laughing, “I’m not the expert on geopolitics.” Fortunately for her, in the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king; and among a blithely ignorant generation, the lightly educated activist is congresswoman.”

    https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/alexand … MnImEKYF3E


    The Dumbest Generation' by Mark Bauerlein

    "The Dumbest Generation," there are also some keen insights into how the new digital world really is changing the way young people engage with information and the obstacles they face in integrating any of it meaningfully. These are insights that educators, parents and other adults ignore at their peril.”

    LA Times Review
    https://www.latimes.com/entertainment/l … story.html

    1. Onusonus profile image74
      Onusonusposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Dumbest generation so far...

      1. Randy Godwin profile image90
        Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        And you're smack in the middle of it, aren't you?

      2. lobobrandon profile image91
        lobobrandonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        If today's generation is dumb there's only one generation to blame for their upbringing. So you know who the real dumb ones are.

        Everything still aligns perfectly with a normal distribution around intellect as it always has.

        1. Onusonus profile image74
          Onusonusposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Agreed. That is until this generation begins to bring up the next one.

        2. Tim Truzy info4u profile image97
          Tim Truzy info4uposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          I think given time, these youth will shine. Scientists have demonstrated they have incredible eye and hand coordination and tend to have a dedicated work ethic. I don't underestimate our youth.

    2. profile image75
      Hxprofposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      I don't think AOC is indicative of a dumb generation.  I do think that her willingness to enthusiastically advertise the details of her political philosophy is an indication that 1) There's an audience, and she knows it.  2) That this philosophy has a chance to grab the imagination of even more Americans, and she knows it.

      Folks like AOC, de Blasio and Sanders would at one time have been marginalized or shut out of the political process entirely.  But we're witnessing a growing demand for ear candy, and AOC in particular is providing it.

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        I think you're right on your two points.  But don't both 1) and 2) both indicate that "dumb generation"?  Because without ignorant (though not particularly "dumb" or "stupid") people she won't have any listeners.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image90
          Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Worked well for Trump.

          1. lobobrandon profile image91
            lobobrandonposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            How dare you call non-millennials dumb.

        2. profile image75
          Hxprofposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          It indicates, I think, these things: 1) a spoiled generation  2) a generation frustrated that things don't seem to be moving forward economically for them 3) ignorance.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image84
            PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Kids these days....

    3. Eastward profile image93
      Eastwardposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      I think AOC is intelligent enough. She seems to shoot down every attempt at character assassination with ease (and that's saying something with the forces aligned against her). She is early on in her career and quite optimistic. I wouldn't hold that against her either. We could use a little optimism in the political spectrum. She's left of most of my stances but my generation (Gen X) seemed to lack any direction at all. I think most were still running on the fumes of the baby boomer machine, waiting for the glory years of legend to re-materialize (at least in terms of middle class strength). We failed to ask the important questions of our leaders and paid the price. AOC seems to be doing a lot in terms of raising the bar on transparency, which in my opinion, is vital for the survival of American values on a global scale. She's also asking tough questions and doing so relentlessly. Strangely enough, love or hate either of them, that seems to be something that Trump supporters looked to him for as well.

      1. Readmikenow profile image96
        Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        As a member of Gen. X, do you see or understand how absolutely ridiculous her Green New Deal is?  She says a lot of extremely idiotic things.

        "AOC seems to be doing a lot in terms of raising the bar on transparency, which in my opinion, is vital for the survival of American values on a global scale. She's also asking tough questions and doing so relentlessly."

        How?  She's done nothing but say and do things that make her look stupid.  I mean, really stupid.

        1. Eastward profile image93
          Eastwardposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          As I said, she is left of where I stand on a lot of issues. I don't agree with all points of a Green New Deal, however, there has been a constant stream of things coming from politicians that I find much more dangerous (Citizens United, NDAA, The Patriot Act, senseless wars, militarization of the police force, surveillance, persecution of whistle-blowers exposing crimes of the system).

          As for transparency, she seems to very social with every aspect of her public role, which I appreciate. I think we need to work towards change in government making it almost impossible to keep anything from the citizens except in extreme situations of national security (not the national security catch-all net that is current being tossed over the country and treating all of us like we're really, really stupid).

          Her role-play might come off a little corny but she does get straight answers on some major flaws in our system. They might not be surprises to any of us, but they are aspects rarely talked about or pursued:

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFhgXP2lze4

          I'm not saying she has all her answers but I do look forward to see how some of the ideas she supports take shape simultaneously with Bernie Sanders' candidacy.

          1. lobobrandon profile image91
            lobobrandonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Wow, I now see why so many of the "bad guys" here are shitting their pants. This girl right here proves that many of the millennials are the smartest generation in a long time. Go, girl.

            1. Eastward profile image93
              Eastwardposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              There are a lot of things that are currently legal that are not moral or in the interests of most American citizens. I'd say she has the high ground. I hope she does well as she is going to have her share of enemies on both sides of the aisle.

              1. lobobrandon profile image91
                lobobrandonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Yup, most citizens being the key word here.

            2. GA Anderson profile image91
              GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              This video was also addressed in an earlier thread. You might have missed it. I don't know who the "bad guys" are, but I apparently saw something different in her "game" performance than you did.

              But don't misunderstand my point. I do not think she is stupid.

              https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/342 … ost4060467

              GA

              1. lobobrandon profile image91
                lobobrandonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Just read that response now. I did miss the video, yes.

                There is no doubt that her team has helped her. That's how Politics works. By calling her smart, I am stating that the OP is wrong in calling the millennials dumb because of what she says because in fact, she is saying smart things. If it's people from another generation who are coaching her, so be it.

                The "bad guys" are those that have no morals of their own and believe that anything that is "legally right" is good for a nation. This is very much like the folk that follow the Bible or the Quaran as their moral center. No this is not what I said, but what the guy in the video said and it's right and I couldn't say it any better.

                Accepting a bribe because you are legally allowed to is not the right thing to do. Everyone knows that's how most politicians across the globe work. Words from her mouth pointed it out in a high profile scenario.

                Also, if you are referring to Sheldon from the BBT, no she probably does not fall in the same category.

                1. GA Anderson profile image91
                  GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  My point was that I think that is more than just "her team" that is helping her. And I don't have a problem with that. That's just politics--on both sides of the aisle.

                  I do think she is politically naive, but I don't think she is stupid. Conversely, I think she is smart enough to ride the wave of party support I think she is getting.

                  As mentioned in my original response, my reason for thinking this is her appointment to that committee, and the orchestration of the panel hearing she starred in. And again, I think that is just normal politics, I don't have a problem with it. My problem was with the promoted perception that the video shows she is a savvy operator from the get-go.

                  As for your legally allowed vs. morally correct, that's a judgment call we all must make.

                  GA

    4. Charles Berry profile image59
      Charles Berryposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      My 13-year old is in this same generation. These kids today don't know the value of a dollar and think our generation owes them something. They don't realize hard work has its benefits. They are a spoiled generation.

      1. lobobrandon profile image91
        lobobrandonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Does this reflect your parenting? Or does it reflect the education s/he's getting from someone in your generation? Someone has spoiled them and they are not spoiled on their own. Also, not every one of the generation is the same, look at some of the kids in Europe standing up for things that matter knowing that money is a means but not the end.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image84
          PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Certain segments of every generation think subsequent generations are spoiled, entitled, lazy, ignorant, or some variation thereof.

          Let them have their illusions of superiority. This new generation is less materialistic and less likely to buy into job/house/car/2-kids-and-a-dog expectation. I see that as a good thing.

          1. lobobrandon profile image91
            lobobrandonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Yeah, that's a good thing and yes you are right. For many of us, our home is more than just our house.

          2. gmwilliams profile image83
            gmwilliamsposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Exactly, we boomers were the subject of severe criticism by older generations, especially the G.I. generation who thought that we are spoiled & unappreciative in addition to not knowing the value of work & sacrifice.  How many times did we boomers hear from our G.I. generation parents that we had it TOO EASY...……..Each generation has a different culture & perspective...………….Each new generation is criticized by its elders- reasons include jealousy of the opportunities of the succedent generation that the precedent generation didn't & would never have. Good point, PP.

      2. Randy Godwin profile image90
        Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        They found graffiti on the ancient Roman Colosseum saying virtually the same thing, Charlie. In fact, my parents said the same thing about my generation.

        1. lobobrandon profile image91
          lobobrandonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          It's the simple route to take when you realize that you don't understand something or when someone does something different than you.

          1. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Hey Brandon, our generation got grief from our parents when we were your age.  Now, it's your turn.  I say to you guys "suck it up buttercup," this is how the world works. You can cause your children grief just like every other generation.  You just have to wait your turn.  So, enjoy the ride, that day will come. smile

            1. lobobrandon profile image91
              lobobrandonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Nope, we aren't like you'll, just like you weren't like your parents. We don't suck it up, we are just being responsible. Something many in your generation need to learn to do unless you want to continue being a vacuum cleaner and be full of dirt. I don't want to use a particular synonym of dirt that works better in this statement.

              You had your chance to raise your kids, let us raise ours the way we see fit.

              1. Readmikenow profile image96
                Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                You're funny.  Thanks for the laugh.  I enjoyed it.  I like you guys, you're fun.

                1. lobobrandon profile image91
                  lobobrandonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  You're welcome. But I'm sorry I don't share the sentiment.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image96
                    Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Brandon, you are the best! I have been on HubPages a few years and your response is the best.  You made my day.

        2. GA Anderson profile image91
          GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Cute Randy, but untrue. That Colosseum graffiti was later to determined to be "If you want sex call..."

          But seriously, I know you can't reply because you have been banned again. So I will speak for you now and then until you return. ;-)

          GA

          1. GA Anderson profile image91
            GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Randy says that if you want proof of that graffiti, come on down here and I will show you.

          2. IslandBites profile image87
            IslandBitesposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            ?? hmm

            1. GA Anderson profile image91
              GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              ?? -- About the graffiti or about Randy?

              The graffiti was his joke, he touched base via email about the ban. But he's coming back. I hope.

              GA

              1. lobobrandon profile image91
                lobobrandonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Why did he get banned?

                1. GA Anderson profile image91
                  GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  He hasn't been told - specifically, but, as I mentioned to him, his recent replies had become very derogatory towards posters themselves--not the content of their comments.

                  I think it is possible the moderators viewed these as personal attacks, not debate or heated discussion.

                  Of course, I am only speculating. Here, and as I did with Randy.

                  GA

                  1. lobobrandon profile image91
                    lobobrandonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    I see. Does he know how long the ban is going to be?

                  2. IslandBites profile image87
                    IslandBitesposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    I get what you're saying...


                    But I don't know. Seems to me some people get a pass for similar (and worse) comments.

              2. IslandBites profile image87
                IslandBitesposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Sorry, about the ban. Why this time?

                1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                  PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  I don't think he knows why, yet. Maybe someone could fess up if they reported him for something?

                  1. Readmikenow profile image96
                    Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    It happens, I've been banned twice.  It's no big deal.  Randy will be back soon being Randy for all to enjoy.

                2. GA Anderson profile image91
                  GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  See my reply to lobobrandon Islandbites.

                  GA

        3. gmwilliams profile image83
          gmwilliamsposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Randy, HELL YEAH.    I remember in 1969 during Woodstock, my father ranted about my generation. I, of course, became incensed & told him that each generation is different.    Older generations OFTENTIMES forget that they were once...….YOUNG......

    5. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

      She is a bad example. Plenty of wonderful intelligent millennials making their way. Hey, one bad apple does not spoil the entire barrel.

      1. GA Anderson profile image91
        GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Nope Sharlee01, one bad apple can spoil the barrel.

        GA

        1. lobobrandon profile image91
          lobobrandonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          But she isn't a bad apple, is she? I hope this new lot of apples is separated from that old lot. Some of those are really starting to rot.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image84
            PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            An idealistic young person who wants to battle a corrupt system is characterized as "a bad apple."

            Crazy.

          2. GA Anderson profile image91
            GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Nope, she's just a green apple. And I think you are right about that "rot."

            GA

        2. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, you just had to remind me... LOL  On bad apple can spread rapidly throughout a barrel. Especially in a perfect climate.

    6. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

      "Is AOC proof that millennials could be America's dumbest generation?" No, it only shows a handful of them that are very ill-educated to the facts of why America is the greatest country in the world. Our history shows that there has always been a segment of our citizens that have very unrealistic views and express their ideas poorly. I will admit, and this is only my opinion. AOC, is a real doozy... LOL

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        "No, it only shows a handful of them that are very ill-educated to the facts of why America is the greatest country in the world ..."
        or to the benefits of freedom from tyrannic control created by giving the  government way too much power over our pocket books.

        Only the ignorant think she is wonderful and I can't believe there are so many ignorant people that she was actually ELECTED to public office!!!!!!!!

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          We are in agreement

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            The future hold much entertainment. big_smile

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, it does. Hopefully, the Dems continue down the path they have chosen. It will provide many laughable moments.

  2. Live to Learn profile image83
    Live to Learnposted 3 months ago

    I don't think our kids are stupid. Easily led, speaking without thinking, that's a trait of our young. That's been true as long as I can remember. But, I do believe they possess critical thinking skills and AOC is proving herself to be a flash in the pan whose rock star status is fast fading.

  3. Readmikenow profile image96
    Readmikenowposted 3 months ago

    What I think is disturbing is how AOC and her followers actually believe the Green New Deal has merit.  They know so little about history.   

    "According to one survey, one third of Millennials believe President George W. Bush killed more people than Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin. Over 40 percent of Millennials have never heard of Mao Zedong; another 40 percent and 30 percent, respectively, are unfamiliar with Vladimir Lenin and Che Guevara. Two-thirds of Millennials cannot identify Auschwitz, and 22 percent have never heard of the Holocaust, twice the percentage of American adults on average."

    Remember the old saying from George Santayana "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it."  This is why they make me so nervous.

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Is that why we're pulling down statues of people we deem to have been on the "wrong" side?  So we can just forget the whole thing?

      1. Readmikenow profile image96
        Readmikenowposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Good question.

        1. Tim Truzy info4u profile image97
          Tim Truzy info4uposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          It's important to note: Those who know their history also tend to repeat it. I do believe we have a problem with our youth, but I think they will probably learn in time.

      2. IslandBites profile image87
        IslandBitesposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        "Wrong"? That's interesting.

        No surprise, though.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image84
          PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          I noticed that, too.

          As for this OP, I think it's a violation of more than one Logical Fallacy.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image90
            Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            It is, but the Right loves this kinda crap, think Fox News..

            1. Tim Truzy info4u profile image97
              Tim Truzy info4uposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, running in a circle can make you dizzy.

        2. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Don't recall any statues of Northern generals being pulled down, do you?  Have any Northern military officers been vilified, even if they owned slaves?

          We're hiding the fact (or trying to) that a large percentage of our country believed in, and practiced, slavery.  Refusing to honor great people because of that one (sometimes only perceived) belief.

          That won't change history; it will only change our perception of history and leave us open to repeating it.

          1. promisem profile image98
            promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            No, people are objecting to monuments of leaders from racist states that started a terrible war and nearly destroyed the country, all for the sake of defending slavery.

            "Sometimes only perceived" and "refusing to honor great people" are excellent examples of how slavery apologists "perceive" the Civil War.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image90
              Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              I don't honor my slave owning ancestors for their misdeeds, Dan.

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                And do you honor them for anything else?  Did they help the poor, found a city, build a great business or exhibit great courage and strength?  It is a rare person that is perfect in all matters...especially when they live long ago when "perfect" had a distinctly different meaning.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image90
                  Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  My great-grandfather was an overseer on a slave plantation right before the Civil War began. He fought in the conflict and later became a preacher. I suppose he was a good man, but he still remained a racist until he died. I honor him because he was my ancestor, not because of the man's actions here on earth. So you tell me...

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    Well, that's a difference between us.  Being an ancestor is not something worthy of honor, in my mind.  Being an (honest) preacher, CAN be though.  Depending on the person and how they approach the task.

                    Even racism, something I detest, is often insufficient to decide that a person is worthless and of no value; someone totally unworthy of honoring for their other actions.  As I mentioned, I see precious few people that are perfect in all matters, and do recognize that people of the past did not share all of my concepts of right and wrong.  That doesn't make them evil; it makes them a product of a different culture.

            2. wilderness profile image96
              wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              That's what I said - let's forget that it all happened and pretend there was never any slavery or war over that slavery.

              Or, let's completely vilify anyone that declined to change their way of life because someone else wanted them to, wanted to destroy the entire economy of the South.

              Either one is a major mistake.

          2. Tim Truzy info4u profile image97
            Tim Truzy info4uposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            History is written by the victors. That's a fact. The victors don't have to honor dishonorable people. They were traitors against the U.S., their "country," (I'm not interested in that "state was great nonsense). Do we honor Benedict Arnold?
            People like Lee took an oath to defend the U.S., even training at U.S. military installations. But he told the president he wouldn't fight the war for him. In how many ways can we say traitor.
            Contextualize the statues. Put the traitor beside the faithful union soldier. It's about country as well as the topic of slavery. The extreme right gets phony on this topic. Or pull the traitors down. Why dishonor Union soldiers?

      3. Randy Godwin profile image90
        Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        Were you sad when Saddam's statues were pulled down?

        1. wilderness profile image96
          wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Good point.  But were those statues erected by a nation honoring his service or by Saddam himself, promoting his power during his reign?  Giant posters of Kim or Mao come to mind in that regard.

          Makes a difference, at least in my mind.

        2. Readmikenow profile image96
          Readmikenowposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Perfect analogy Randy.  We'll forget it was another country and from a dictator and occurred after an invasion of the United States military.  Saddam Hussein is the exact same thing as a general from the Confederacy fought during the civil war.  There is not difference at all.  Now, do you know the meaning of the word sarcastic?

          1. Randy Godwin profile image90
            Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Yeah, sorta like your OP, right?

  4. wmhoward4 profile image77
    wmhoward4posted 3 months ago

    She is just one lucky idiot.
    On the other hand there are people her age doing wonders in medicine, cyber security, and flying super sonic jets with more on the dashboard than we had in Mission Control to the Moon or even the Space Shuttle.

  5. Live to Learn profile image83
    Live to Learnposted 3 months ago

    I can't believe this conversation degraded within the very first page.

    Our nation's history is what it is. You cannot change it. You cannot erase it. Instead of tearing down monuments we should use them for learning moments.

    The racists of today are the ones tearing down monuments. I suppose, fifty years from now, if any are erected in their honor our kids will consider tearing those down. Hopefully, at that time, sanity will prevail; and history won't repeat itself.

    1. Randy Godwin profile image90
      Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Well....I never!  (flounces away)

      1. Live to Learn profile image83
        Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        lol OK Nancy. Good one.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image90
          Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Thanks, Kelly Anne!  tongue

          1. Live to Learn profile image83
            Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            lol I wasn't referring to Nancy Pelosi. Just Nancies in general.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image90
              Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              I was referring to Kelly Anne Conways in general.  tongue

              1. Live to Learn profile image83
                Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                LOL. I'll be honest. You are so off base there it would be insane to be insulted. You need to hit closer to home.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image90
                  Randy Godwinposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  Not trying to insult, simply playing the game...

    2. PrettyPanther profile image84
      PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      So, just to be sure I understand, you're saying that those who believe we should not honor the confederacy with statues are racists?

      1. Live to Learn profile image83
        Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        I'm saying Antifa and the lawless mobs are racist. Judging by the slurs they shout.

        1. PrettyPanther profile image84
          PrettyPantherposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Huh, they shout racially based slurs while taking down confederate statutes?  Where did you see/hear/read this?

          1. Live to Learn profile image83
            Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            No. They yell racist slurs while beating up gentlemen of Hispanic heritage. I didn't say they were yelling it while removing the statues. You don't have to self identify yourself a racist with every word to be recognized as a racist.

      2. Tim Truzy info4u profile image97
        Tim Truzy info4uposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Of course, P.P. and we should honor Nazi Germany in the process. Some of their descendants live here, too.

    3. promisem profile image98
      promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Merriam-Webster definition of "monument":

      "A lasting evidence, reminder, or example of someone or something notable or great."

      I agree with you that we can't change our history, and I also agree with you that we shouldn't erase it. But I don't believe monuments honoring the leaders of a slavery war is the way to do it.

      Instead, we can protect our history with books, classes, documentaries, historical parks and other means.

      1. Readmikenow profile image96
        Readmikenowposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        We've got bigger problems than just statues.

        "According to one survey, one third of Millennials believe President George W. Bush killed more people than Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin. Over 40 percent of Millennials have never heard of Mao Zedong; another 40 percent and 30 percent, respectively, are unfamiliar with Vladimir Lenin and Che Guevara. Two-thirds of Millennials cannot identify Auschwitz, and 22 percent have never heard of the Holocaust, twice the percentage of American adults on average."

        1. promisem profile image98
          promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          I agree. Ignorance and propaganda are rampant among large parts of the country.

          1. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            The problem is these people with this little knowledge and understanding of the world are in positions of power in the government and can't comprehend they could be wrong.  That is why something as ridiculous as the "Green New Deal." occurs and there are people who take it serious.  Frightening what will be considered in the future.

            1. promisem profile image98
              promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Frankly, I'm not too concerned about AOC. She is a young, inexperienced and new to Congress.

              She's a flash in the pan until she comes up with a lot more substance. To paraphrase you, we have politicians who are bigger problems than AOC.

      2. Live to Learn profile image83
        Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        All of those can be skewed easily. Just like what people think of monuments. I like Monument Ave in Richmond. I think a statue of Martin Luther King should be erected. To show a progression of history. I don't think they have one. I know there's one for Arthur Ash there.

        I think the better thing to do would be to put monuments of civil rights leaders beside the civil war people. It would generate a great conversation for those viewing them.

        1. promisem profile image98
          promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Monument Boulevard is a good example. The community recently debated whether to pull those monuments down and decided against it.

          Although I made the point against monuments honoring leaders of a slavery war, I think whether they stay up or come down is a community decision. Outsiders don't have a say.

          1. Live to Learn profile image83
            Live to Learnposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            Wholeheartedly agree there. Open and honest dialogue prior to a decision by the community.

          2. Readmikenow profile image96
            Readmikenowposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            I hope you realize removing monuments has gotten out of hand by those on the left.  In Pittsburgh, they removed a statute of Stephen Foster.  He had nothing to do with the Civil war and wrote music.  Stephen Foster.  Think of how ridiculous it is to remove a statute of Stephen Foster.

            https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CH … mp;bih=597

            1. promisem profile image98
              promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              Do you agree or disagree that a community has the right to put up or take down any monument they want?

              That said, I read the following from your link. I wonder if the black community rather than the left was the most strongly opposed to the monument.

              "The statue had stirred controversy for years because it depicts Foster standing with a black man playing a banjo at his feet. Critics have described it as racist and demeaning to blacks."

              1. Readmikenow profile image96
                Readmikenowposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                Did you see the statue?  Do you know who the critics were?  So, tell me, a statue that has been in place for 74 years and goes relatively unnoticed and doesn't insult anyone, suddenly does.  Leftists start taking down civil war statues, the leftists in Pittsburgh have no civil war statues, but they want to join the cause, so, they tear down a statue of Stephen Foster, that had been in place for 74 years.  It was ridiculous.

                1. promisem profile image98
                  promisemposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  Mike, do you agree or disagree that a community has the right to put up or take down any monument they want?

                  1. wilderness profile image96
                    wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                    Technically no, a community does not have the right to put any monument they might wish to.  The first amendment has been interpreted to deny that.

                    But in the context here, they likely do.  That doesn't make it any less foolish or ridiculous, though. 

                    Beyond that, should a court decide that the action either way was racist (erect or remove), it might be an interesting case.  Certainly if Foster were black and the boy any race at all it is highly doubtful that it would have been torn down - it seems entirely racist, then, to decide that only people of caucasian descent will not be permitted to be in monuments with other races.  Or that people of African descent shall never be placed lower on the monument than any other race, or lower than just caucasians (the US flag is never lower than others, for instance).

              2. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                When "critics" actively search for something, anything, to be upset about they will find it.  A black man playing with Stephen Foster, the "father of American music" is sufficient to some.

                Any racism was from the critics, not the monument.

      3. Tim Truzy info4u profile image97
        Tim Truzy info4uposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        What's missing from this conversation is the fact that everyone wasn't allowed a say in whether to erect these statues to begin with. Most of them were erected during the Jim Crow era, so you want to give those who didn't have a choice another opportunity to know they don't have a choice.
        Let a community vote on it and then contextualize the thing. Why glorify one part of history and ignore another?

  6. Onusonus profile image74
    Onusonusposted 2 months ago

    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52935404_1039532066252828_4618854722571337728_n.jpg?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=a4e60847467a77dfc0d0728e24a2d9bc&oe=5D1BC2D9

  7. Onusonus profile image74
    Onusonusposted 2 months ago

    More pearls of wisdom from Democrat Sarah Palin. lol
    https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/53095684_10211172361823985_6281217287592607744_n.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent-sea1-1.xx&oh=128a6bf2d90c831c7566c45dd0926396&oe=5D2556A4

  8. Live to Learn profile image83
    Live to Learnposted 2 months ago

    She did a pretty good job of siphoning a million dollars out of 2 PACs and into an LLC to hide campaign contributions.

    I'd say she is now as dirty as any politician in Washington. She appears to be a quick learner.

  9. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months ago

    Its obvious to most people that she has been coached. I perceive she is sincere and ready to step into the scene for the good she can do.  She just doesn't know what GOOD is.

    Its a pity.

    - she wants to help, but has no idea how to do it.


    Her sincerity will get her far ...
    But her ignorance will, in the end, drown her.
    She will not float this one out ...
    unless the water of ignorance continues to flood the land.

  10. catalystmuse profile image84
    catalystmuseposted 2 months ago

    IT is sad! She doesn't even know the three branches of government!
    See for yourself on you tube.

    Your thoughts on HOW she got elected?

    -Catalyst

  11. Live to Learn profile image83
    Live to Learnposted 2 months ago

    Her election probably falls into the category of you can fool some of the people some of the time.

  12. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months ago

    She reminds me of Megan Markel. Megan wanted to be like Diana. Alexandria wants to be like ...

      ?
    Megan?
    https://twitter.com/KensingtonRoyal/sta … gr%5Etweet

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      ... championing the causes she's passionate about.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        OR "Globalist in action pushing the #NWO and indoctrinating young people. It rings a bell....." (random twitter comment)

  13. catalystmuse profile image84
    catalystmuseposted 2 months ago

    I do agree. However, lets not focus on "the millennials" rather who is going to be wealthy

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Does it make a person dumb to be able to create wealth?  Is it a crime somehow to do so?

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        I don't get their hatred of the rich. I just don't get it.

 
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