Social Media an Oxymoron

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   Live to Learnposted 3 years ago

   Just read this article. 
   
   https://pluralist.com/jahangir-turan-be … -hat/44422
   
   I hope it's a hoax a la so much from the left these days but a man was brutally beaten because of a hat and some on social media said he deserves it.
   
   When will the left realize Trump is just a less violent reflection of all the left on the internet condone and promote?

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      Eastwardposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      If only we could have more non-violent "fine people" in MAGA hats like Nikolas Cruz:
      
      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/did-s … -maga-hat/
      
      How many people did he kill again?
      
      The issue of disillusioned citizens resorting to violence is much bigger than left or right and I'm sure we could swap incidents from left to right all day.

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         Eastwardposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Also, since this one is just hitting the presses:
         
         El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter Who Didn’t Like ‘Race Mixing’
         
         https://newsone.com/3883517/el-paso-sho … k-crusius/

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         Live to Learnposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Do you see anyone on social media justifying violence labeled right wing?
         
         That's the problem. Some on the left make comments glorifying and justifying left wing violence.  Violence, in all its forms,  should be condemned in a civil society.

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            Eastwardposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Unfortunately, at times, I do. Both the right and left have their extremist elements. Consider groups like these:
            
            https://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/rig … 22743.html
            
            I completely agree that violence needs to be condemned in a civilized society. Our President and Congress need to make this a priority and make sure the institutions we trust are only using violence as a last resort.

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               Live to Learnposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               I think we are in agreement.

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                  Eastwardposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Condemning violence is a point I'm very happy to agree on!

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   Live to Learnposted 3 years ago

   This thread was not posted in defense of violence.  You've missed the point.

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      Eastwardposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Not saying it was a defense of violence but in my opinion, Trump is feeding off of a division in the country that will continue to lead to violence. Social media may be an oxymoron in some ways, but the violence isn't happening online.

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         awareposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Social media is stoking the fires of violence social media isn't social at all mostly it makes people angry. You are using this medium to trash a president and anyone who might vote for him or support him. You are using this venue and this tragedy to push a bigoted narrative and demonize voters. And when it all blows up in your face its Trump's fault not yours. The comment section on almost every political site is the most hateful angry thing you've ever seen in your life and that's not Donald Trump doing it

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            Eastwardposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            I simply stated my opinion. Now it's social media's fault that people are angry (I highly doubt the platform is what's angering people), I'm trashing the President for having an opinion of his behavior (which is apparently bigoted for some reason I hope you explain), and I'm demonizing voters. Read my post again and then read yours and see who is using more accusatory language.

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               awareposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               The shooter was a trump supporter. You don't know that but that's your description. If you wrote the headline it would read Trump supporter guns down people. That's demonizing voters

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                  Eastwardposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  The "El Paso Shooter Identified Online As Trump Supporter" is the actual headline from the article. It's quite presumptions to assume what I would write if it was my headline (which again, it's not). I can't say I've seen any author demonizing Trump voters to the extent that they would equate them with this killer's ideology or actions.

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                     awareposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     What is his voting record? Who did he vote for for governor who did he vote for in the senate or the house who did he vote for mayor or Sheriff?

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               awareposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               And your opinion and trashing the President also included casting aspersions on the country as a whole which is a bigoted statement

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                  Eastwardposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm not sure how you can imply that having a negative opinion of the President in a supposedly free country would be bigoted. You've never had any criticism of any President? Considering the language used by Trump, "feeding off a division" doesn't exactly seem like trashing in comparison.

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                     awareposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     I don't like any politicians.

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                        Eastwardposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        I wouldn't say that makes you bigoted nor do I think that makes me bigoted. If one looks at the research on correlating the actions of politicians and the will of the people, not liking politicians is a fairly logical position.

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                           awareposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           Uugh . Me saying that I don't like any politician is the definition of a bigoted statement

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                              Eastwardposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              It's bigoted if it's without reason. When you have substantial research to back a decision, that's a different story:
                              
                              https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals … 3B382B992B

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               Live to Learnposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               I would never presume that Trump isn't prone to not thinking through how his comments will come off.  Maybe I'm wrong.  Maybe he willfully chooses words in such a way as to infuriate.
               
               But,  claiming my words are responsible for your actions is just as wrong. 
               
               Edit.  I think it would be fairer to say that you giving a free pass to violence perpetrated by others because you think my words are wrong is wrong.

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         Live to Learnposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Do you find it healthy and sane to say,  publicly,  that someone's clothing choice deems them worthy of a beating?

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            Eastwardposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Absolutely not, but I think we've probably already established that in other replies/comments

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               Live to Learnposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               You and I have,  most assuredly.

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      PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      No, but you are trying to somehow blame "the left" for Trump.
      
      "When will the left realize Trump is just a less violent reflection of all the left on the internet condone and promote?*
      
      Your timing is horrible given that the El Paso shooter belonged to online right-wing hate groups.
      
      Can we all just agree that hate from all side can be found online and stop trying to say it originates from one side?

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         Live to Learnposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Did I say hate originated anywhere? Can you guys follow a very simple train of thought?
         
         Justifying violence is wrong.  Period.

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         Live to Learnposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         The internet is open to dark forces and gives them the ability to communicate with each other.  That's a fact.  It's the down side of interconnectivity.
         
         I'm talking about mainstream.  Open to all.  They ones considered  acceptable. I'm not talking  of players we all condemn for their beliefs.
         
         Tell me,  where on social media can we find anyone attempting to justify the atrocity in Texas?
         
         Claiming it's wrong to take a hard look at the behavior of some because of the lawlessness of others will,  in my opinion,  stoke the flames of incivility.

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