Left-Wing Rhetoric Is Driving Violence in America

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  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
    Sharlee01posted 2 months ago

    I believe the violence we see tearing through our country today is not random. It is the inevitable result of dehumanizing, inflammatory rhetoric coming from the left, from Congress, from left-leaning media, and from online mobs. These are not isolated acts. This is a culture built and sustained by those who refuse to accept President Trump or MAGA as legitimate.

    Violent Acts That Cannot Be Ignored

    We’ve seen the consequences in blood. The 2017 congressional baseball shooting, where James Hodgkinson targeted Republican lawmakers, was no accident. His hatred was stoked by the way left voices portrayed conservatives as enemies of the people. Rep. Steve Scalise nearly died in that attack.

    Twice now, Donald Trump has been directly targeted. In July 2024, shooter Thomas Matthew Crooks opened fire at a rally in Pennsylvania, grazing Trump’s ear and killing an attendee. Then, in September 2024, Ryan Routh attempted an assassination at Trump’s Florida golf club and was later convicted of trying to kill the president. These are clear attempts, not abstract threats.

    Just weeks ago, conservative leader Charlie Kirk was murdered by a rooftop sniper while speaking at Utah Valley University. That was no random act, it was a political execution.

    Then yesterday in Dallas, an ICE facility was attacked. A gunman opened fire, killing a detainee and seriously wounding others. His ammunition was marked “ANTI-ICE.” That is not vague political violence; that is ideology transformed into bullets.

    These events are not coincidences. They are pieces of a dangerous pattern: when radicals feel legitimized by rhetoric from the left, some will act on it.

    The Words That Light the Fuse

    The left talks about “words matter.” Fine, let’s focus on their words.

    Hillary Clinton has repeatedly used language that delegitimizes Trump and his supporters. In a 2019 interview, she said:

    “No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president.”
    The Washington Post

    “You know, Jane, it was like applying for a job and getting 66 million letters of recommendation and losing to a corrupt human tornado.”

    That language doesn’t just criticize — it declares an enemy. It paints Trump and his supporters not just as flawed, but as evil to be resisted.

    In other cases, top Democrats and media personalities routinely portray MAGA and Trump supporters as existential threats, framing them as enemies of democracy, as fascists, as criminals. That kind of rhetoric doesn’t de-escalate; it escalates.

    On social media, radicals and trolls take that rhetoric and magnify it tenfold: calling Trump supporters “Nazis,” urging “resistance” in the streets, celebrating violence as justified. Such violent language spreads in echo chambers and primes unstable people to act.

    The Pattern Is Clear

    I will not excuse this. I will not let it be spun as “fringe” or “isolated.” There’s a clear, dangerous chain: rhetoric from left-wing leaders → amplification by media → radicalization in social media → violent acts in the real world.

    When you treat a president as illegitimate, when you demonize the movement of tens of millions as fascist or criminal, when you call your political enemies enemies of democracy, you are setting fire to the public square. And now we see the flames.

    My View

    I believe left-wing rhetoric is mainly responsible for the violence we see today. I point the blame squarely at the halls of Congress, the left-wing media spreading hate daily, and the social media mobs that treat conservatives as enemies to be destroyed. They designed a culture of “resistance”, and this is the harvest.

    Until the left accepts accountability for the fires they’ve ignited, the violence will continue. And every time it happens, I will remind people: left-wing rhetoric is not mere talk, it is the spark for radical crime.

    1. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      May want to point JD to a mirror...Vance wants everyone to stop calling people who they disagree with Nazis...but most of us remember when he called Trump “America’s Hitler.”

    2. Readmikenow profile image80
      Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Shar,

      We saw the high level of violence the left is capable of during the George Floyd riots.  It's not gotten any better.  The left is incapable of engaging in honest political discourse because it requires a level of thinking and understanding that is beyond most of them.  It would also require something unknown to the left, being honest. 

      In an open and honest debate the left will always get destroyed.  The intense flaws in their ideas are always easy to illustrate.

      Just watching a few simple videos of Charlie Kirk debating them proves that.

      They don't have what it takes either morally or intellectually to participate in a debate of ideas.  They say nothing the majority of Americans want to hear.

      That is why they must resort to violence.  It is all they have left to get attention.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

        I couldn’t agree more. We’ve all witnessed how, when the left is faced with facts and reasoned debate, they fall apart because their positions can’t stand up to scrutiny. That’s why they so often turn to shouting, intimidation, and worse. Charlie Kirk is a prime example. Time after time, he calmly dismantles their arguments, and their only response is to lash out. Violence has become their fallback because they can’t win on ideas. The majority of Americans want common sense, not the chaos the left keeps pushing.

        For me, this isn’t up for debate. It’s non-negotiable. I see the left’s vile rhetoric as directly fueling the violence we’re seeing across the country. Their upside-down ideology has created a real violence problem. From the Catholic school shooting, to Charles’ murder, to today’s attack on ICE—it all points back, in my view, to the poisonous rhetoric of the left.

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Is Trump's poisonous rhetoric excused??

        2. Readmikenow profile image80
          Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Shar,

          I think this article in the Atlantic puts things in perspective.

          Left-Wing Terrorism Is on the Rise
          For the first time in more than 30 years, attacks by the far left outnumber those by the far right.


          No matter how hard ideologues try to exclusively blame their political foes for acts of political violence, the truth is that violent extremists today emerge from across the political spectrum. We have studied this problem and believe that our data can help illuminate an issue too often defined by partisan finger-pointing. As part of a study to be published this week by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, we compiled and analyzed a data set of 750 attacks and plots in the United States from January 1, 1994, to July 4, 2025. Our research focuses only on incidents of terrorism, which we define as attacks or plots by a nonstate actor attempting to achieve a political end and exert a psychological influence on a broad population. Among other details, the data set includes the types of weapons used, the intended targets, the number of fatalities, and the ideology of the perpetrators.

          We found that left-wing terrorism has increased since President Donald Trump’s rise to political prominence in 2016. Indeed, 2025 marks the first time in more than 30 years that left-wing attacks outnumber those from the far right. Despite its recent increase, however, left-wing terrorism is not nearly as common today as it was in the 1960s and early ’70s. Those years marked the height of groups such as the Weather Underground and the Symbionese Liberation Army, best known for kidnapping the newspaper heiress Patty Hearst. In the ’80s and early ’90s, left-wing terrorism declined while jihadist and right-wing terrorism rose, particularly in the forms of anti-government and white-supremacist violence.

          https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … sm/684323/

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Mike, this is alarming, but it’s an important reality check. The fact that left-wing attacks now outnumber far-right attacks for the first time in over 30 years cannot be ignored. Violence isn’t confined to one ideology; regardless of politics, innocent lives are at risk, and our society suffers when extremism goes unchecked.

            What’s particularly troubling is how much of this violence is fueled by toxic rhetoric. When political leaders or media outlets constantly demonize their opponents, it creates an environment where extreme actions feel justified to some. We can’t just track the numbers; we have to confront the culture and the words that drive people toward violence.

            It’s also clear that our American values and ideals will not accept ideological shifts from the left, whether socialist-leaning or otherwise, that conflict with the principles we respect as truly American. In reality, there is no mending.

            The question is urgent: how do we stop this? How do we hold those promoting hateful or radicalizing rhetoric accountable and prevent more attacks before more lives are lost?

            1. Readmikenow profile image80
              Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Shar,

              It's time for the left to own this violence and do something about it.

              I don't think that will happen.

              They will choose to live in a state of denial and remain in their leftist rhetoric filled bubble.

              Nothing destroys their bubble better than facts, truth, and reality.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Nothing destroys their bubble better than facts, truth, and reality."

                I must agree...

                1. Readmikenow profile image80
                  Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Shar,

                  All of the violence against ICE agents are the responsibility of the democrats.

                  All the things democrat leaders have called members of ICE has only fueled the fire of the left wing lunatics.  These democrat leaders are simply evil.

                  I hope there is at least a molecule of decency in them and they stop all of their dangerous rhetoric.  I may be expecting too much of them. 

                  Again, the two things democrats love more than anything are illegal aliens and criminals.  They have no time for legal immigrants or law abiding citizens.

                  And they wonder why significant numbers of people are leaving their party.

                  What kind of person would want to be part of an organization that behaves like that?

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Mike,   I completely agree. The violence directed at ICE agents didn’t happen in a vacuum — it’s fueled by the rhetoric coming from Democratic leaders who constantly demonize law enforcement. Their words give permission to the radicals and extremists, and it’s no surprise that people are leaving the party in droves. It’s hard to imagine anyone wanting to align themselves with a group that consistently puts illegal aliens and criminals above law-abiding citizens. Their actions and words speak volumes about their priorities.

                2. Readmikenow profile image80
                  Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Shar,

                  It's almost sad to watch what the democrat party is doing to itself.

                  The party is imploding like no other American political party before it.  They simply are unable to see or comprehend what they are doing wrong.

                  National poll slaps Democrats with worst rating in key category
                  'This is the lowest favorability rating for the Democratic party


                  In what sounds like a broken record, the Democratic Party hit another historic low in a national poll this week.

                  Thirty percent of voters nationwide questioned in a Quinnipiac University survey said they have a favorable opinion of the Democratic Party, and 54% say they hold an unfavorable opinion.

                  "This is the lowest favorability rating for the Democratic Party since the Quinnipiac University Poll began asking voters this question in 2008," the survey's release noted.

                  The Quinnipiac survey was the latest poll this year to flash red alerts for the Democrats.

                  The Democratic Party has been in the political wilderness since last year's elections. Not only did the party lose control of the White House and Senate and failed to win back the House majority, but Republicans made gains among Black, Hispanic and younger voters, all traditional members of the Democratic Party's base.

                  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nation … y-category

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    I agree completely, it really is sad to watch. What stands out to me is that instead of taking responsibility and adjusting their message, Democrats double down with the same leftist rhetoric that voters are clearly rejecting. Meanwhile, we’re seeing a strong surge of new voter registrations with the Republican Party. People are realizing that empty promises and constant division aren’t solutions, and they’re moving toward a party that speaks to their concerns.

              2. Willowarbor profile image60
                Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                The reality? Trump has one of the most hateful mouths out there...

    3. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      "The Words That Light the Fuse

      The left talks about “words matter.” Fine, let’s focus on their words."


      Do all words matter or just some?? Just the words of the left? Are you asking me to overlook this....

      "I HATE MY OPPONENTS"

    4. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      "On social media, radicals and trolls take that rhetoric and magnify it tenfold: calling Trump supporters “Nazis,” urging “resistance” in the streets,

      But it's okay when Trump calls half of the country fascist, marxist, communist?

      He's the president of the freaking United States not just a social media troll but it's okay for him?

      The original post is condemning ONLY " the left".  While  completely ignoring the most egregious mouth on the planet

    5. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Total bovine excrement in the extreme. Relative to the mass murders committed from those motivated by right wing ideology, Antifa is harmless in comparison.

      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … ning-trump

      What is the body count for this loose affiliation, know as Antifa? All the more reason that I despise Trump and his tyrannical tirade. This is censorship pure and simple by a deplorable right wing determined to silence all opposition. All of this makes me like conservatives less, each passing day.

      Does violence today include the slaughters at retail outlets within the last 4 years? I think that rises to the top of the bloodletting. The pattern is anything but clear on the contrary, you folks are making the left some unholy bogeyman when still everybody knows that the radical right is the most dangerous despite all the eloquent equivocation that seems to be the style to dismiss the reality of where we are.

      What about the rhetoric from right wing leaders, Trump being at the head? Freedom of speech allows me to say what I want about anyone without the fear of being prosecuted. The First Amendment of freedom of speech has rare and few exceptions. What is it about sticks and stones? Trump is just using this to silence dissent and I promise 100 percent resistance to this, to him, and everything he stands for.

      The conflict we all talk about wanting to avoid is all the more certain to come, just wait for it.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Total bovine excrement? No, that’s exactly what I call your argument. Let’s use some facts instead of emotion. You want to paint Antifa as “harmless,” but the reality is clear: their so-called activism has left businesses destroyed, cities burned, and innocent people injured. Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, those weren’t “peaceful protests.” Those were riots, with police stations under siege, federal courthouses firebombed, and livelihoods destroyed. Maybe the body count isn’t as high as a mass shooting, but does that somehow excuse arson, assault, and billions in damage? Destruction on that scale is violence, plain and simple. Violence doesn’t need a body count to be dangerous; it needs intent, and Antifa has plenty of that.

        And let’s not play dumb about mass shootings. Yes, some right-wing extremists have carried out horrific acts, and they deserve to be condemned and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. But you don’t balance the ledger by pretending the left’s violent factions are “harmless.” Political violence is wrong across the board, and turning a blind eye to Antifa just because their ideology tilts left is hypocritical. You can’t claim moral high ground by ignoring the violence you prefer.

        Now, about Trump and free speech, this idea that he’s “silencing dissent” is laughable. Trump has the same right to call out his opponents that you have to call him a tyrant. That’s what the First Amendment is about: protecting speech even when it’s loud, harsh, and uncomfortable. He isn’t prosecuting you for your words, he isn’t throwing you in jail for criticizing him, he’s voicing his side. You’re free to resist him all day long, but don’t pretend his exercising free speech equals censorship. That’s turning reality upside down.

        The truth is, freedom of speech cuts both ways. You can despise Trump, and I can support him. You can call conservatives deplorable, and we can point out left-wing violence without apology. That’s not censorship, that’s debate. The only censorship I see is the attempt to shut Trump down by claiming his speech shouldn’t be allowed, while giving the radical left a free pass.

        You warn of conflict coming, but here’s the irony: you help fuel it by excusing one side’s violence and demonizing the other for simply speaking. I’d rather stand on the side that calls it out honestly, no matter where it comes from, instead of rewriting the story to fit a political agenda.

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Who is running "antifa" these days?   I still can't find an address, and email address, phone number, newsletter or anywhere where I can donate???

        2. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Harmless is a relative term. Like I say, conservatives tend to dismiss the concepts of frequency and magnitude.

          Sharlee, we have riots and similar discord since the Whiskey Rebellion in the 18th Century. That concept is nothing new. But what is new is individual taking semi-automatic firearms and massacring innocents. I don’t ever recall the left being involved in these types of murders. I also do not recall anything like it outside of modern times. Deliberate Homicide is a magnitude beyond property damage and people being injured. Intent is one thing, taking action in regard to that intent is quite another. In the discussion of magnitude,  deliberate homicide trumps property damage.

          As the President of the United States representing all of the people, his openly speaking of hating his opponents and pursuing vendettas is not Presidential and reflects one of low character. I have never heard any POTUS speak like this, never. We on the left are expected to take the “high road” all the time accommodating the Right’s action to wallow in the gutter.

          It is about taking leadership, not throwing Molotov cocktails. He cannot use the DOJ or his intimidation techniques to squelch dissenting ideas and opinions. Interfering with the Press, broadcast media, mindless lawsuits, when the President of the United States should expect criticism and disparaging words as part of his job, is inappropriate. He talks about threats, well he is the biggest one, the lack of harmony currently so much found in our society is encouraged by his loathsome accusations and foul threats. His right to free speech is and should be subordinate to his responsibility to all of the people to uphold the standards associated with his position.

          That is true, you adore Trump and I can’t stand him. We are of different political inclinations. And we probably always will be. At least Trump needs to be consistant in identifying terrorists whatever ideological pole is involved. I recall a comment from him mentioning the right wing terror is a lesser problem, somewhat mitigating their contribution to this problem and that is hardly appropriate.

          I am not fueling anything, I am simply telling you that Trumps messing around with the broadcast media, threatening leftist movement and ideology without any real cause or smoking gun, while choosing to ignore rightwing oriented violence will not play. What you consider honesty verses my opinion is different.

          So, I say, a showdown between left and right is around the corner. Helter-Skelter for all…..

          Again, just my opinion…..

          1. Ken Burgess profile image73
            Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            "As the President of the United States representing all of the people, his openly speaking of hating his opponents and pursuing vendettas is not Presidential and reflects one of low character. I have never heard any POTUS speak like this, never. " - Credence

            While you are spot on...

            You never accept, or refuse to address, the why behind it...

            Why would otherwise well meaning, well educated, well off, well bred... and working-class most of all voters get behind a person like Trump?

            Because the 'other side' opened the floodgates at the border... literally flying hundreds of thousands in... putting them up in five star hotels in NY City... putting them on Social Security...

            Because the 'other side' refused to jail violent criminals... spoke of defunding the police... putting social workers out there in place of police...

            Because the 'other side' prioritized Transgenders over Women's rights, safety, and invaded their sports...

            Because the 'other side' villainized people for being white, or CIS, or Male while promoting Equity over Equality and DEI quotas over Merit...

            There is a reason why Trump had... and still has the support he does despite how deplorable he might be... because what the 'other side' offers is far more intolerable to the majority... or as I often like to say: the Leftists are bat-shit crazy and no-one sane could side with them unless they blinded by the propaganda fed to them daily by the likes of CNN and MSNBC... or are fully on board with Leftist insanity.

            1. DrMark1961 profile image99
              DrMark1961posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              All I could think of after that comment was an American president that stood at the lectern like Hitler and railed at the half of the country that did not support his beloved and trusted political party

              (edit: I was looking for that photo of Biden railing at the people and telling us how MAGA was the enemy of the US.)

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                I mean, who would do something like this? Makes me wonder who came up with this brilliant idea.
                https://hubstatic.com/17645727.jpg

                1. Willowarbor profile image60
                  Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  OR one could very simply and directly state

                  I HATE MY OPPONENTS.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    The photo and scene could not speak any louder. But his speech spoke much louder--- 

                    Remarks by President Biden on the Continued Battle for the Soul of the Nation --- So ugly, only the word vile can do it justice. 

                    This is where America made its Declaration of Independence to the world more than two centuries ago with an idea, unique among nations, that in America, we’re all created equal. This is where the United States Constitution was written and debated. This is where we set in motion the most extraordinary experiment of self-government the world has ever known with three simple words: “We, the People.” “We, the People.” These two documents and the ideas they embody — equality and democracy — are the rock upon which this nation is built. They are how we became the greatest nation on Earth. They are why, for more than two centuries, America has been a beacon to the world.

                    But as I stand here tonight, equality and democracy are under ASSAULT. We do ourselves no favor to pretend otherwise. So tonight, I have come this place where it all began to speak as plainly as I can to the nation about the THREATS we face, about the power we have in our own hands to meet these THREATS, and about the incredible future that lies in front of us if only we choose it.

                    We must never forget: We, the people, are the true heirs of the American experiment that began more than two centuries ago. We, the people, have burning inside each of us the flame of liberty that was lit here at Independence Hall — a flame that lit our way through abolition, the Civil War, Suffrage, the Great Depression, world wars, Civil Rights. That sacred flame still burns now in our time as we build an America that is more prosperous, free, and just. That is the work of my presidency, a mission I believe in with my whole soul.

                    But first, we must be honest with each other and with ourselves. Too much of what’s happening in our country today is not normal. MAGA REPUBLICANS represent an EXTREMISM that THREATENS the very foundations of our republic. Now, I want to be very clear — very clear up front: Not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA REPUBLICANS. Not every Republican embraces their EXTREME IDEOLOGY. I know because I’ve been able to work with these mainstream Republicans. But there is no question that the Republican Party today is dominated, driven, and intimidated by DONALD TRUMP and MAGA REPUBLICANS, and that is a THREAT to this country.

                    And here, in my view, is what is true: MAGA REPUBLICANS do not respect the CONSTITUTION. They do not believe in the RULE OF LAW. They do not recognize the will of the people. They refuse to accept the results of a free election. And they’re working right now, as I speak, in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to PARTISANS and CRONIES, empowering ELECTION DENIERS to UNDERMINE DEMOCRACY itself.

                    MAGA FORCES are determined to take this country BACKWARD — backwards to an America where there is no RIGHT to CHOOSE, NO right to PRIVACY, no right to contraception, no right to marry who you love. They promote AUTHORITARIAN LEADERS, and they fan the flames of POLITICAL VIOLENCE that are a THREAT TO OUR PERSONAL RIGHTS, to the pursuit of justice, to the rule of law, to the very soul of this country.

                    They look at the mob that stormed the United States Capitol on January 6th — brutally attacking law enforcement — not as insurrectionists who placed a dagger to the throat of our democracy, but they look at them as patriots. And they see their MAGA FAILURE to stop a peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election as preparation for the 2022 and 2024 elections. They tried everything last time to nullify the votes of 81 million people. This time, they’re determined to succeed in thwarting the will of the people.

                    That’s why respected conservatives, like Federal Circuit Court Judge Michael Luttig, has called TRUMP and the extreme MAGA REPUBLICANS, quote, a “clear and present DANGER” to our democracy.

                    But while the THREAT to American democracy is real, I want to say as clearly as we can: We are not powerless in the face of these THREATS. We are not bystanders in this ongoing attack on democracy. There are far more Americans — far more Americans from every — from every background and belief who reject the extreme MAGA IDEOLOGY than those that accept it.

                    And, folks, it is within our power, it’s in our hands — yours and mine — to stop the ASSAULT on American democracy. I believe America is at an inflection point — one of those moments that determine the shape of everything that’s to come after. And now America must choose: to move forward or to move backwards? To build the future or obsess about the past? To be a nation of hope and unity and optimism, or a nation of fear, division, and of darkness?

                    MAGA REPUBLICANS have made their choice. They embrace ANGER. They thrive on CHAOS. They live not in the light of truth but in the shadow of LIES. But together, we can choose a different path. We can choose a better path. Forward, to the future.

                    Today, there are DANGERS around us we cannot allow to prevail. We hear — you’ve heard it — more and more talk about VIOLENCE as an acceptable political tool in this country. It’s not. It can never be an acceptable tool.

                    We saw law enforcement brutally attacked on January the 6th. We’ve seen election officials, poll workers — many of them volunteers of both parties — subjected to INTIMIDATION and DEATH THREATS.

                    And — can you believe it? — FBI agents just doing their job as directed, facing THREATS to their own lives from their own fellow citizens. On top of that, there are public figures — today, yesterday, and the day before — predicting and all but calling for MASS VIOLENCE and RIOTING in the streets. This is INFLAMMATORY. It’s DANGEROUS. It’s against the rule of law.

                    We can’t be pro-INSURRECTIONIST and pro-American. They’re incompatible. We can’t allow violence to be normalized in this country. It’s wrong. We each have to reject political violence with all the moral clarity and conviction this nation can muster. Now. We can’t let the integrity of our elections be UNDERMINED, for that is a path to CHAOS.

                    Democracy cannot survive when one side believes there are only two outcomes to an election: either they win or they were cheated. And that’s where MAGA REPUBLICANS are today. They don’t understand what every patriotic American knows: You can’t love your country only when you win. It’s fundamental. American democracy only works only if we choose to respect the rule of law and the institutions that were set up in this chamber behind me, only if we respect our legitimate political differences. I will not stand by and watch — I will not — the will of the American people be overturned by wild conspiracy theories and baseless, evidence-free claims of fraud. I will not stand by and watch elections in this country stolen by people who simply refuse to accept that they lost.

                    Look, as your President, I will defend our democracy with every fiber of my being, and I’m asking every American to join me.

                    Throughout our history, America has often made the greatest progress coming out of some of our darkest moments. MAGA REPUBLICANS look at America and see CARNAGE and DARKNESS and DESPAIR. They spread FEAR and LIES – lies told for profit and power.

                    But I see a very different America — an America with an unlimited future, an America that is about to take off. I hope you see it as well. Just look around. I believed we could lift America from the depths of COVID, so we passed the largest economic recovery package since Franklin Delano Roosevelt. And today, America’s economy is faster, stronger than any other advanced nation in the world.

                    We have more to go. I believed we could build a better America, so we passed the biggest infrastructure investment since President Dwight D. Eisenhower. And we’ve now embarked on a decade of rebuilding the nation’s roads, bridges, highways, ports, water systems, high-speed Internet, railroads.

                    I believed we could make America safer, so we passed the most significant gun safety law since President Clinton. I believed we could go from being the highest cost of prescriptions in the world to making prescription drugs and healthcare more affordable, so we passed the most significant healthcare reforms since President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act.

                    And I believed we could create a clean energy future and save the planet, so we passed the most important climate initiative ever. The cynics and the critics tell us nothing can get done, but they are wrong. There is not a single thing America cannot do — not a single thing beyond our capacity if we do it together. It’s never easy. But we’re proving that in America, no matter how long the road, progress does come.

                    Look, I know the last few years have been tough. But today, COVID no longer controls our lives. More Americans are working than ever. Businesses are growing. Our schools are open. Millions of Americans have been lifted out of poverty. Millions of veterans once exposed to toxic burn pits will now get what they deserve for their families and the compensation.

                    American manufacturing has come alive across the Heartland, and the future will be made in America — no matter what the WHITE SUPREMACISTS and the EXTREMISTS say. I made a bet on you, the American people, and that bet is paying off. Proving that from darkness — the darkness of Charlottesville, of COVID, of gun violence, of INSURRECTION — we can see the light. Light is now visible.

                    Light that will guide us forward not only in words, but in actions — actions for you, for your children, for your grandchildren, for America. Even in this moment, with all the challenges we face, I give you my word as a President: I’ve never been more optimistic about America’s future. Not because of me, but because of who you are.

                    We’re going to end cancer as we know it. We are going to create millions of new jobs in a clean energy economy. We’re going to think big. We’re going to make the 21st century another American century because the world needs us to. That’s where we need to focus our energy — not in the past, not on divisive culture wars, not on the politics of grievance, but on a future we can build together.

                    The MAGA REPUBLICANS believe that for them to succeed, everyone else has to fail. They believe America — not like I believe about America. I believe America is big enough for all of us to succeed, and that is the nation we’re building: a nation where no one is left behind.

                    I ran for President because I believed we were in a battle for the soul of this nation. I still believe that to be true. I believe the soul is the breath, the life, and the essence of who we are. The soul is what makes us “us.” The soul of America is defined by the sacred proposition that all are created equal in the image of God. That all are entitled to be treated with decency, dignity, and respect. That all deserve justice and a shot at lives of prosperity and consequence. And that democracy — democracy must be defended, for democracy makes all these things possible.

                    Democracy begins and will be preserved in we, the people’s, habits of heart, in our character: optimism that is tested yet endures, courage that digs deep when we need it, empathy that fuels democracy, the willingness to see each other not as enemies but as fellow Americans.

                    Look, our democracy is imperfect. It always has been. Notwithstanding those folks you hear on the other side there. They’re entitled to be outrageous. This is a democracy. But history and common sense tell us that opportunity, liberty, and justice for all are most likely to come to pass in a democracy.

                    We have never fully realized the aspirations of our founding, but every generation has opened those doors a little wider to include more people who have been excluded before. My fellow Americans, America is an idea — the most powerful idea in the history of the world. And it beats in the hearts of the people of this country. It beats in all of our hearts. It unites America. It is the American creed. The idea that America guarantees that everyone be treated with dignity. It gives HATE no safe harbor. It installs in everyone the belief that no matter where you start in life, there’s nothing you can’t achieve.

                    That’s who we are. That’s what we stand for. That’s what we believe. And that is precisely what we are doing: opening doors, creating new possibilities, focusing on the future. And we’re only just beginning.

                    Our task is to make our nation free and fair, just and strong, noble and whole. And this work is the work of democracy — the work of this generation. It is the work of our time, for all time. We can’t afford to leave anyone on the sidelines. We need everyone to do their part. So speak up. Speak out. Get engaged. Vote, vote, vote.

                    And if we all do our duty, then ages still to come will say we — all of us here — we kept the faith. We preserved democracy. We heeded our worst instincts and listened to our better angels. And we proved that, for all its imperfections, America is still the beacon to the world, an ideal to be realized, a promise to be kept. There is nothing more important, nothing more sacred, nothing more American. That’s our soul. That’s who we truly are. And that’s who we must always be.

                    And I have no doubt — none — that this is who we will be and that we’ll come together as a nation. That we’ll secure our democracy. That for the next 200 years, we’ll have what we had the past 200 years: the greatest nation on the face of the Earth. We just need to remember who we are. We are the United States of America. The United States of America.

                    And may God protect our nation. And may God protect all those who stand watch over our democracy. God bless you all. Democracy. Thank you.

                    Make Fascists Great Again

          2. abwilliams profile image83
            abwilliamsposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Erika Kirk forgave the murderer of her husband, humbling herself in the presence of the world. Trump said he couldn't do that, and needs prayer, humbling himself in the presence of the world, as well.
            That's how I saw it; it made me think...
            Would I be more like Erika or would I be more like Trump, if it happened to me? I, honestly, don't  know!

            1. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              You are a nice lady, regardless of being on the wrong side. I sure that you would have supported forgiveness. If the widow of Charlie Kirk could do that, would you not expect the President to set the example and support the same concept and at a minimum bottle the acid and restrain his quest for vendetta?

          3. Readmikenow profile image80
            Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            "We on the left are expected to take the “high road”

            When has this ever happened?  The only high road I've ever seen the left take usually involves drug use.

            Do you think the left has the high road because they prefer criminals over law-abiding citizens and illegal aliens over American citizens and legal immigrants?

            1. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Is that all you have to offer in retort?

              1. Readmikenow profile image80
                Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                To say that the left has EVER taken the high road is absolutely laughable.

                A good bit of comedy.  Something so detached from reality it is hard to imagine.

                I will believe the left has an issue with what is said by President Donald Trump is they would own all of the things said about him by them.  All the things said about MAGA by the left.

                The reaction of the left after the murder of Charlie Kirk showed me just how horrible people on the left can act in such situations.

                Like a man from Texas said, "democrats are low enough to be able to walk under a rattlesnake wearing a top hat."

            2. Willowarbor profile image60
              Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              "Do you think the left has the high road because they prefer criminals over law-abiding citizens and illegal aliens over American citizens and legal immigrants?"

              Are you implying that I prefer criminals over law-abiding citizens??? It sure does read like you are implying that.... I really hope you're not implying that I prefer criminals

              1. Readmikenow profile image80
                Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Is your name "the left?"

                If it is, I had no idea that when mentioning the left, I was only talking about you.  I thought I was talking about individuals following a left-leaning political ideology.

                Is it really only about you?

                1. Willowarbor profile image60
                  Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  I'm a Democrat. I'm a liberal. I'm on the left..... So yeah. I'M THE LEFT

                  I'm also anti-fascist so I guess you could say I'm ANTIFA also...

                  1. Readmikenow profile image80
                    Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    So, why do you prefer criminals over law-abiding citizens and illegal aliens over American citizens and legal immigrants?

                    Why?

          4. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Cred, you say “harmless is a relative term” and that conservatives dismiss frequency and magnitude. I disagree,  because when we talk about magnitude, the Summer of Love was not just property damage. At least 25 people lost their lives during those riots. That is deliberate homicide, no matter the weapon. To suggest the left hasn’t been involved in deadly violence ignores the reality of arson, mob beatings, and assaults that left families without loved ones.

            Frequency? We see near-daily riots, occupations, and disruptions from left-leaning groups. In fact, as I write this, rioters are attacking an ICE detention center in Chicago, directly obstructing law enforcement officers from doing the jobs they were hired to do. That is not harmless, and it certainly isn’t rare.

            You also claim deliberate homicide “trumps property damage.” I agree that life is the most sacred, but then we must be consistent,  because lives were lost in left-driven riots. Those deaths cannot be brushed aside just because they don’t fit the preferred political narrative.

            As for Trump’s rhetoric, I hear you call it low character, but I see it as blunt truth. He isn’t “wallowing in the gutter”; he’s calling out the chaos openly while others pretend it isn’t happening. That’s not vendetta, it’s honesty. You criticize him for speaking strongly, but the left has spent years censoring speech, intimidating opponents, and excusing violent disruption when it suits their cause.

            And when you say Trump is inconsistent in identifying terrorism, I’d turn that around, the left rarely, if ever, calls out its own extremists. We can’t have selective outrage. Violence is violence, whether it comes from a gun, a Molotov cocktail, or a mob with bricks and bats.

            So, if the debate is about frequency and magnitude, let’s be fair: left-wing violence is not only frequent, it has claimed lives. To dismiss that as less than “deliberate homicide” is not just wrong, it’s deeply disrespectful to the victims.

            "We on the left are expected to take the “high road” all the time accommodating the Right’s action to wallow in the gutter." Cred

            To say that the left has ever taken the high road is absolutely laughable in itself. This is the same left that burned cities in the so-called Summer of Love, leaving 25 people dead, thousands of businesses destroyed, and neighborhoods scarred forever, yet they pat themselves on the back as if chaos is some noble act of protest. These are the same people who scream about “protecting democracy” while actively silencing speech they don’t like, censoring voices online, and harassing anyone who dares to think differently. They claim moral superiority while openly obstructing law enforcement, rioting at ICE detention centers, and excusing violence so long as it aligns with their politics. If that’s the “high road,” it’s paved with hypocrisy and double standards.

    6. peterstreep profile image82
      peterstreepposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      "We're gonna fight like hell. And if you don't fight like hell, you're not gonna have a country any more"

      Just before the insurrection of the capitol 2021....

      The pot calling the kettle black.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Thanks for sharing your view.

        1. peterstreep profile image82
          peterstreepposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Case Closed!

        2. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          This is the kind of shit that's okay with them...


          https://hubstatic.com/17649324_f1024.jpg

          https://x.com/MichelleKinney/status/1972849937642934370

      2. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        "I will remind people: left-wing rhetoric is not mere talk, it is the spark for radical crime.


        Oh boy....

        Yet this is okay?

        Karoline Leavitt: "The Democrat Party's main constituency is made up of Hamas terrorists, illegal aliens, and violent criminals."

        And this???

        Mike Johnson..."How does this end? I do think this has a lot to do with the hate America rally that will be on Saturday. You're gonna have all the Antifa, BLM, and pro Hamas. Watch who assemble there. All the Marxists will be on the Mall"

        And this ..

        Kristi Noem attacks the Democratic Party: "They aren't just liberals anymore. If you look at the Democrat Party, they're a party of communists and marxists and socialists."


        I could give many more examples than just these two but....So the question is, is this rhetoric the spark for radical crime??


        https://x.com/Ronxyz00/status/1978804803372187791

        https://x.com/highbrow_nobrow/status/19 … 0475423839

      3. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        "His hatred was stoked by the way left voices portrayed conservatives as enemies of the people. "

        Portraying citizens as enemies of the people?? Really now?

        Leavitt: "The Democrat Party's main constituency is made up of Hamas terrorists, illegal aliens, and violent criminals."

        And one of all of Trump's vile words about Democrats?

      4. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

        "When you treat a president as illegitimate, when you demonize the movement of tens of millions as fascist or criminal, when you call your political enemies enemies of democracy, you are setting fire to the public square. And now we see the flames.


        And what happens when you call half of America vile names?  When the future leadership of one party calls black Americans monkeys and watermelon people? When they praise Hitler and glorify rape? 

        "Demonize the movement"???

        Do you mean like Mike Moses Johnson calling the no Kings rallies "hate America" rallies??

        "Until the left accepts accountability for the fires they’ve ignited, the violence will continue.

        LOL... And the fires that this fascist regime is lighting in American cities by brutalizing citizens????

        The hypocrisy of Maga, really knows no bounds...

    7. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months ago

      FBI and other law enforcement officials have stated that no definitive motive or ideology has been identified for Thomas Matthew Crooks, the gunman who shot Donald Trump at a July 2024 rally.

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        What was he "ideology" of this guy???

    8. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months ago

      The motive for the Kirk murder? What has been determined?

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Surely we know more about the ideology of Robinson by now? Right?

    9. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months ago

      "That language doesn’t just criticize — it declares an enemy. It paints Trump and his supporters not just as flawed, but as evil to be resisted."

      And what does this language do??

      https://x.com/micah_erfan/status/1966667619148222843

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        "I always say, we have two enemies,"


        "That language doesn’t just criticize — it declares an enemy...

        Like this?

        Trump said, adding: "We have the outside enemy, and then we have the enemy from within, and the enemy from within, in my opinion, is more dangerous than China, Russia and all these countries....Democrats I call him the enemy from within,"

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Maybe take some time to look into the woman he was referring to. I’ve done some research myself, and the context goes far beyond anything Trump has ever said. The video you shared, in my view, actually shows Trump describing Harris’s ideologies almost perfectly. On many occasions, Harris’s own comments have fit the very definition of fascism, as well as socialism and even Marxism.  I mean, one can find all on YouTube. It's wonderful that we have great technology to pull up what one says in live settings. I am not adding examples; I see no reason to smear this woman. Anyone interested can do their own mucking about.

          And regarding your post about the ideologies of those who picked up a gun to kill or attempt to kill… I believe it’s up to each individual to form their own opinion about motive. As for me, I see it as these men were influenced by the constant hate rhetoric coming from the left, from what I’ve witnessed in the halls of Congress, to the nightly media talking heads, and even the keyboard hate junkies online. That’s my view.

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            His comment wasn't directed toward ONE person when he called Democrats" the enemy from within"

            He has consistently used language that has vilified an entire group of people come on... Does it all have to be repeated??

            "I HATE my opponent and I don’t want the best for them"

            1. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              In my view, Trump was speaking his truth. I believe the Democratic Party has become the “enemy within.” I’ve seen their terrible tactics for years, long before Trump. They’ve tried every ploy they can, and they’ve intensified those vile attacks against him, but he’s still standing. He’s exposed them, and I hope more people will see how ugly their tactics are when laid bare.

              1. Willowarbor profile image60
                Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Ok...how do you reconcile that view with the OP???

                "That language doesn’t just criticize — it declares an enemy.

                But it's okay for Trump to do it???

              2. Readmikenow profile image80
                Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Shar,

                I believer President Donald Trump is well within the realm of understanding to feel as he feels after what was done to him by the democrats.

                They sunk to a level of low this country has never seen before and I hope never sees again.

                They were so terrified of him getting back into the White House that they tried every dirty trick in the book and still came up short.  They tried to put him in jail, bankrupt him, impeach him, all because he was connecting with the American people better than the democrats.  Nothing they did stopped the American people from choosing President Donald Trump as president.

                It is so beautiful he won the presidency by winning both the popular vote and the Electoral College.  He overcame so much of the absolute disgusting tactics of the democrat party.

                1. Willowarbor profile image60
                  Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Gotcha...so it's ok for POTUS to declare his HATE for half the country...

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    "Gotcha...so it's ok for POTUS to declare his HATE for half the country..."Willow

                    Yes, you’re damn right—it is okay. In my view, a president’s job is not to pander to everyone or avoid tough truths; it’s to stand firm for the country he believes in. If some of the country is actively undermining him, spreading lies about him, and attacking his agenda, it’s understandable for him to feel and express strong opposition.  And he does a great job at giving back what he got.  He says it like it is...and I so appreciate him doing so.  He is pointing out the truth.

                    1. Willowarbor profile image60
                      Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                      Okay so I'm supposed to get worked up over everyone but Trump saying mean things but when Trump spews hateful shit he's got a pass....got it. 

                      The original post is completely undermined... Not sure how anyone can complain about angry rhetoric when pure hate is flowing like a river out of Trump's big mouth .. sounds a lot like a double standard.  Silly me for thinking a president should rise to a higher standard LOL

                2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Mike, absolutely, I couldn’t agree more. My view on this is set in stone, not just from what I’ve read or heard, but from my own common sense and watching everything play out before my eyes. The lengths the Democrats went to in order to undermine President Trump were unprecedented, and yet he remained steadfast, resilient, and deeply connected to the American people. They have attempted to play the game of projection, doing all the things they accused Trump and his supporters of, and now they have to live with the consequences. To me, this shows a failed party, one that the majority of Americans are increasingly seeing for what they truly are: the horrific damage they have done to our nation through their ploys, deceit, and violent rhetoric. Watching all of it unfold in real time made it impossible to deny the extraordinary dedication and perseverance President Trump demonstrated in the face of such opposition.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image80
                    Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Shar,

                    Megyn Kelly put things into perspective with someone from the left.

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdZQc-GgcxE

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                      Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                      This video says it all. Who was the one yelling, cutting off Kelly, and refusing to let her speak? Who completely lost his cool as she calmly laid out fact after fact? He walked away furious because the truth was being exposed right in front of him. Kelly stayed composed, professional, and backed her arguments with solid research. Meanwhile, all he could do was spit out Google blurbs and left-wing media talking points. The contrast couldn’t be clearer. 

                      This is the norm for most leftists: don’t listen, dismiss facts and common sense as lies, get angry, throw in some insults, and then shut it all down by diverting or walking away, just like the guy in the video did. The best part? Turning Point’s scheduled venues are still going strong, and Charlie’s show hasn’t skipped a beat.

                3. Willowarbor profile image60
                  Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  So you support his statement, of pure hate for his opponent?

    10. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months ago

      "That language doesn’t just criticize — it declares an enemy. It paints Trump and his supporters not just as flawed, but as evil to be resisted.

      you mean like this?

      "I hate my opponent. And I don’t want the best for them, I’m sorry,” Trump said to laughter."

      Never to be out done... Bonus points to him for spewing this at an actual memorial service....WOW

    11. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months ago

      Trump haw used the word "evil" to describe Democrats or journalists 11 times during the first six months of his second term....

      Is this positive?  A great quality for a POTUS ?   

      For Trump, Domestic Adversaries Are Not Just Wrong, They Are ‘Evil’ - The New York Times https://share.google/5g6fYMD3CRAmNH1dF

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

        I don't agree with your view overall. So I will agree to disagree. My article fully offers my view. I am not willing to debate it.

    12. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months ago

      Every president of the United States has opponents, but have we ever heard a president declare his hatred for them?

    13. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months ago

      By the way, still waiting on the details of the long-fought war between Cambodia and Armenia.... Please, I'm sure somebody wants to brag about the peace deal that was brokered, right?? 

      I'm hoping that Armenia got everything they were asking for!

      Just a real feather in Trump's cap huh?

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

        I see some real desperation here...come on.  Slip of the tongue.

    14. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 2 months ago

      What I find outrageous is how many of these so-called “public servants” are willing to lie under oath before Congress, and then parade themselves on TV as if they’re the guardians of truth while bashing Trump. We’ve seen people like Michael Cohen and Roger Stone charged for lying to Congress, and now James Comey himself has been indicted by a federal grand jury on charges that include false statements and obstruction. Those actions are not free speech; they’re crimes. Yet the media treats these people like credible voices while relentlessly attacking Trump simply for speaking his mind. Here’s the reality: Trump’s words, whether you like them or not, fall squarely under the protection of the First Amendment. He can call out corruption, he can criticize his political opponents, and he can challenge a system that many of us believe is broken. That’s free speech. Lying under oath, on the other hand, is perjury; it’s criminal. And that’s the glaring double standard I can’t ignore: Trump gets vilified for blunt, constitutionally protected speech, while those who actually broke the law by lying to Congress are given platforms and excuses.

    15. Ken Burgess profile image73
      Ken Burgessposted 2 months ago

      Oppressed - Oppressor ... Victimhood ... the opposite of Equal justice under the Law.

      Apply the law equally and firmly; don't make privileged or oppressed classes.

      There has always been the struggle against exceptions for the immensely powerful and/or elite.  There have always been pockets of good-ol-boy Justice and adherence to the Law.

      These issues, these flaws, are far different than what we saw trying to be ushered in during the Biden Administration... the effort to break down the enforcement of Law (or lack of) based on race... or being an illegal migrant.

      The development of unbound class(es) in the state of exception, and the "confines of the rule of law" disappear... as I often say, no Administration was worse for America than the Biden Administration.

      The effort to restore Law and Order... to do away with 'special' or 'privileged' and/or 'protected' from the enforcement of the Law classes that the Biden Administration was allowing to be created, or through EO tried to create will prove to be immensely problematic for years to come.

      Had the Democrats won another election... illegal migrants by the tens of millions being added to Social Security and Welfare roles would have become institutionalized and impossible to reverse.

      The preferential treatment toward illegal migrants over the needs of American citizens, and their rights and protections, would have continued.

      Look over to the UK or Canada, you will see proof of this in how the illegal migrants are protected and the citizens are prosecuted... it would have become the same here... it was the same here, in pockets of America, like NY City and California.

    16. Ken Burgess profile image73
      Ken Burgessposted 2 months ago

      It's degeneracy vs common decency. Lunacy vs Common sense. Nihilism vs Spirituality. Cruelty vs Humanity.

      Progressivism today is the acceptance of the Insane as normal... the idea that facts are fluid, based on feelings...

      The Progressive mainstreaming Transgenderism (formerly recognized as a form of Mental Illness)...

      The Progressive push for acceptance of MAPs... Minority Attracted Persons (formerly criminal and morally reprehensible) ...

      The Progressive movement is Insanity on the march... the quicker we get to mainstreaming that reality to the rest of America and re-establishing the need for Mental Institutions to put them in, the better.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Ken  Absolutely—I completely agree with your assessment. It really is a clash of common decency versus degeneracy, and of reason versus lunacy. One thing that’s often overlooked is how the media and tech platforms actively amplify these extremes, normalizing ideas that would have been universally rejected just a few decades ago. This isn’t just a matter of isolated individuals; it's a systemic push that reaches schools, entertainment, and even legislation, further accelerating the mainstreaming of these dangerous ideas.

    17. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 2 months ago

      Back to my thread's subject---Another sicko from the left becoming violent, injuring an innocent person. Couldn't care less about Bragg and his lack of treatment of the case--- MT POINT, leftist violence is out of control.

      "The Thomas More Society said that Savannah went to the emergency room for stitches, resulting in $3,000 in medical bills. After the attack, Rivers walked away from the scene of the crime with both middle fingers extended, the public interest law firm said.

      "District Attorney Bragg’s shocking refusal to uphold justice only works to undermine confidence in the system, especially when our political climate has become as fraught as it is now," said Christopher Ferrara, senior counsel at Thomas More Society.

      "Failing to prosecute these clear-cut charges sets a dangerous standard for how our society responds to violence against those engaging in democratic dialogue."

      A spokesperson for the Manhattan District Attorney’s office acknowledged the error.

      "Every victim deserves their day in court, and our office has reached out to apologize to Ms. Craven Antao for the unacceptable error of missing the discovery deadline," the spokesperson said. "We are taking immediate internal steps in light of this case.

      Bragg's office said the deadline was missed after the case was reassigned to a different prosecutor. The office also noted that Bragg had pushed the legislature this year to revise New York’s discovery law, citing dismissals like this as examples." Fox news
      Just look at this big, violent woman attacking another woman she disagrees with.
      https://hubstatic.com/17646463.jpg

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Does this represent "the left"

        Do you really want to go tit for tat with individual instances? We could be here into infinity.... Do I really have to post the pictures of j6ers beating police, shitting in the Capitol?

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          "Do you really want to go tit for tat with individual instances? We could be here into infinity.... Do I really have to post the pictures of j6ers beating police, shitting in the Capitol?"  willow

          I’ve seen the photo of Daniel Hodges with his head pinned in the door. I also shared his testimony to Congress, describing how he splashed water on his face after the incident and returned to his duties, continuing to serve until all individuals were cleared at the end of the riot. 

          I’ve seen plenty of coverage of the unrest during the “Summer of Love” in 2025, including reports on violent clashes with law enforcement and attacks on ICE officers. These events were far from peaceful, and multiple people were seriously injured, including officers and civilians alike. While some sources try to downplay the violence, the media footage and official reports show that there was real destruction and chaos. It’s not a matter of bias; the incidents themselves were documented and undeniable. So, yes, I would enjoy seeing what you can post that would compare to leftist violence.   

          https://hubstatic.com/17646509.jpg

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Does  the photo represent "the left" or an individual

            1. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              I can only share my view--- represents the left individuals that all too often now become violent and kill.

              Not sure if you on the left have realized this man was as important to many of us as MLK was to many Americans .

              1. Willowarbor profile image60
                Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                The photo doesn't represent me though.... sorry.. and I am "the left" 

                It would be idiotic of me to engage in a case-by-case, one by one individual examples of what I could claim as "right" or "left" violence.....

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Did I say it did?  There is no need for whataboutism --- I must remind you, and I realize this is not kind of me--- But 

                  "Do you really want to go tit for tat with individual instances? We could be here into infinity.... Do I really have to post the pictures of j6ers beating police, shitting in the Capitol?" Willow

                  And now it seems you think this is idiotic when I take you up on the game. This alone says all that needs to be said. Your comments are not well thought out, and, in the end, that doesn’t bode well. Here, you even offered a first example, but I assumed it would be the Daniel Hodges photo with his head pinned in the door, which you frequently post. While that photo is very unfortunate, and I am not condoning what happened to him, I knew he was not seriously hurt and finished his shift after splashing water on his face.   

                  I don't like to play whataboutism--- but I am good at it.

                  1. Willowarbor profile image60
                    Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    When you state "the left". It's a blanket...

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                      Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                      Pretty much, yes. I believe the toxic mindsets held by a great majority of the left have played a major role in the violence we’re seeing unfold. I can honestly say I didn’t always feel this way, but my perspective has changed over time because of what I’ve witnessed and researched.  This is so very clear, from the Democrats in Washington, to the left media, to leftists on social media. Yes, I could see putting a large blanket on the left.

      2. peoplepower73 profile image86
        peoplepower73posted 2 months agoin reply to this

        "MT POINT, leftist violence is out of control."

        Credence was right when he said you have to consider the frequency and magnitude or what Trumpers used to defend him and blame the "radical left."

        So, you have one incident and that is your proof that all the left is violent and out of control.

        On Trump's thousands of lies - All presidents lie, but not with the frequency and magnitude of Trump

        On Trump's constant issue of emergency executive orders - All presidents issue them, but not with the frequency and magnitude of Trump

        “Obama spied on Trump. Clinton deleted emails. They all break laws and get away with it. Trump’s just the only one they go after.”

        “Biden had documents in his garage. Hillary had a server. Trump’s just being treated differently because he fights back.”

        This quote reflects the “everyone does it” defense, ignoring differences in cooperation, obstruction, and legal outcomes.

        On Foreign Relations
        “Obama bowed to Saudi kings. Biden’s soft on China. Trump just showed strength.”

        Here, the user reframes Trump’s controversial diplomacy (e.g., praising Kim Jong-un or Putin) as assertiveness, while painting other presidents as weak.

        This kind of post appears frequently in HubPages forums, especially in threads about Trump’s indictments. It’s a rhetorical move to flatten distinctions and imply selective enforcement.

        These quotes aren’t just defenses—they’re part of a broader rhetorical architecture that reframes Trump’s actions as either normal or justified by precedent.

        Even the title of your topic states "Left Wing Rhetoric is Driving Violence in America is a gross generalization,"

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          I just don’t agree. I’m sorry, but I’m no longer willing to address your repetitive list of what you see as Trump’s issues, this is getting old. In my view, there’s so much violence from the left that it’s become hard to keep up with or respond to it all. I’m not trying to be impolite, but come on, you've been repeating the same points over and over, and I’ve been very patient in addressing them each time.

          I firmly stand by what I have researched and shared on my thread. In my view, the left has created narratives that have contributed to the violence we see today, and I don’t see them changing their attitudes anytime soon. This is so dangerous, and I am very sure we will see much worse to come.

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Does your research cover the report on right wing violence that was deleted by this regime?

          2. peoplepower73 profile image86
            peoplepower73posted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Who on the left have done what you are saying.  That picture doesn't cut it; Trump is a master at using violent language every time he opens his mouth.

            Trump’s rhetoric has long included violent imagery, threats, and provocative language—often framed as strength or retribution. Here’s a curated list of notable examples across his political career:

            ---

            **Direct Threats and Violent Language**

            | **Quote** | **Context** |
            |-----------|-------------|
            | “If I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the country.” | March 2024 rally in Michigan. Critics saw this as a threat of civil unrest; Trump’s team claimed he meant economic fallout. |

            | “When the looting starts, the shooting starts.” | May 2020 tweet during George Floyd protests. Widely condemned as inciting violence. |

            | “I’d like to punch him in the face.” | February 2016 rally, referring to a protester. |

            | “Maybe he should have been roughed up.” | 2015, after a heckler was removed from a rally. |

            | “I am your warrior. I am your justice. And for those who have been wronged and betrayed, I am your retribution.” | CPAC speech, 2023. A chilling promise of vengeance. |

            | “They should be prosecuted for their lies and, quite frankly, TREASON!” | October 2024, referring to political opponents. |

            ---
            **Patterns in Trump’s Violent Rhetoric**

            - **Militaristic framing**: He often uses war metaphors—“final battle,” “enemy of the people,” “full force”—to describe domestic politics.

            - **Dehumanization**: Opponents are labeled “thugs,” “animals,” or “vermin,” which primes supporters for aggressive responses.

            - **Retribution narrative**: Trump casts himself as the avenger of a betrayed people, promising punishment and purges.

            --- **Escalation Over Time**

            A 2024 study found Trump’s use of violent vocabulary rose from 0.6% in 2016 to 1.6% in 2024—more than double the rate of Obama’s speeches. His rhetoric now rivals authoritarian figures like Kim Jong Un and Fidel Castro in terms of violent tone.

            ---
            Trump’s violent rhetoric functions psychologically as a tool of identity formation, tribal bonding, and emotional arousal. It’s not just about what he says—it’s how it activates certain cognitive and social mechanisms in his audience.

            ---
            **Psychological Mechanisms Behind Violent Political Rhetoric**

            1. **Dehumanization**
            - By labeling opponents as “vermin,” “thugs,” or “animals,” Trump strips them of moral status.
            - This lowers empathy and increases tolerance for aggression against them.
            - *Result*: Supporters feel justified in hostile attitudes or actions.

            2. **Moral Licensing**
            - When Trump frames violence as “justice” or “retribution,” it gives followers a moral rationale.
            - “I am your retribution” isn’t just a slogan—it’s a psychological permission slip.
            - *Result*: Aggression feels righteous, not shameful.

            3. **Group Cohesion Through Threat**
            - Violent language creates a sense of siege: “They’re coming for you.”
            - This heightens in-group loyalty and out-group hostility.
            - *Result*: Tribal identity strengthens, dissent weakens.

            4. **Emotional Arousal and Catharsis**
            - Anger, fear, and excitement are powerful motivators.
            - Trump’s rallies often resemble emotional release rituals, where violent rhetoric acts as catharsis.
            - *Result*: Followers feel energized, validated, and bonded.

            5. **Normalization and Desensitization**
            - Repeated exposure to violent speech makes it feel ordinary.
            - Over time, the line between metaphor and literal threat blurs.
            - *Result*: Real-world violence becomes more thinkable—and more likely.

            ---
            Supporting Research

            - A [Psychology Today analysis](https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/bl … l-violence) found that violent rhetoric increases willingness to engage in violence, especially when it dehumanizes opponents.

            - Studies show that violent political speech correlates with spikes in hate crimes, suicide rates, and political aggression.

            ---

            You may think I am just listing these things, and they are repetitive in nature, but you choosing to ignore or deny them tells me you can't handle the truth and facts about Trump, So, it boils down to this, both sides use violent rhetoric. So which side is more violent than the other?. However, when comparing Trump's violent rhetoric to other U, S. presidents, he wins the trophy.

            I didn't even cover Jan.6

            1. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              "peoplepower73 wrote:
              Who on the left have done what you are saying.  That picture doesn't cut it; Trump is a master at using violent language every time he opens his mouth."


              Direct quotes (and short, sourced excerpts) from members of Congress that used words like “fascist,” “Hitler,” “dictator,” “Nazi,” or quoted Nazi propagandists — pulled from reporting/transcripts

              Below are short quoted excerpts (kept brief) with the speaker, chamber/party, context/date when available, and a source you can open. I dug through major news reports, congressional records, videos and social posts so each line is tied to a primary news/transcript source.

              Rep. Pramila Jayapal (D-WA, House) — “Donald Trump is a fascist. Period.” (tweet).
              X (formerly Twitter)

              Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-MI, House) — called a policy shift “a ‘fascist takeover’ of Washington, D.C.” (oversight hearing / press coverage).
              Facebook

              Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY, House) — called the administration “authoritarian and fascist” when describing migrant detention practices.
              Business Insider

              Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN, House) — “I believe he is fascist.” (reported remark).
              Business Insider

              Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA, Senate) — “Donald Trump is making this nation look more and more like a fascist state.” (Senate floor remarks).
              Elizabeth Warren

              Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-MD, House) — “Donald Trump says he wants to be a dictator on day one.” (impeachment/oversight commentary).
              Rockefeller Center for Public Policy

              Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA, House) — “This is something that you hear tin-pot dictators say.” (commenting on presidential rhetoric).
              ABC News

              Rep. James Clyburn (D-SC, House) — “Adolf Hitler was elected chancellor of Germany. And he went about the business of discrediting institutions...” (comparative warning about authoritarian tactics).
              The Washington Post

              Rep. Jerry Nadler (D-NY, House) — tweeted: “I never imagined we would see the day when what appears to be a Heil Hitler salute...” (reaction / social post).
              X (formerly Twitter)

              Rep. Seth Moulton (D-MA, House) — “People should read the history of how Germany elected Hitler...” (urging people to study the 1930s as analogy).
              BostonGlobe.com

              Rep. Jasmine Crockett (D-TX, House) — accused another side of following the “playbook out of Hitler” (TV/interview comment).
              The Daily Beast

              Rep. Hank Johnson (D-GA, House) — warned voters that “Americans elected an authoritarian, anti-immigrant, racist strongman...” and likened the moment to past authoritarian rises.
              Roll Call

              Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN, House) — invoked Goebbels-style “big lie” language: “You say it enough, you repeat the lie... and eventually, people believe it.” (House-floor debate; Goebbels analogy).
              CBS News

              HOWEVER-- I think this Biden speech should answer your question about who on the left speaks this way---

              Remarks by President Biden on the Continued Battle for the Soul of the Nation --- So ugly, only the word vile can do it justice.

              This is where America made its Declaration of Independence to the world more than two centuries ago with an idea, unique among nations, that in America, we’re all created equal. This is where the United States Constitution was written and debated. This is where we set in motion the most extraordinary experiment of self-government the world has ever known with three simple words: “We, the People.” “We, the People.” These two documents and the ideas they embody — equality and democracy — are the rock upon which this nation is built. They are how we became the greatest nation on Earth. They are why, for more than two centuries, America has been a beacon to the world.

              But as I stand here tonight, equality and democracy are under ASSAULT. We do ourselves no favor to pretend otherwise. So tonight, I have come this place where it all began to speak as plainly as I can to the nation about the THREATS we face, about the power we have in our own hands to meet these THREATS, and about the incredible future that lies in front of us if only we choose it.

              We must never forget: We, the people, are the true heirs of the American experiment that began more than two centuries ago. We, the people, have burning inside each of us the flame of liberty that was lit here at Independence Hall — a flame that lit our way through abolition, the Civil War, Suffrage, the Great Depression, world wars, Civil Rights. That sacred flame still burns now in our time as we build an America that is more prosperous, free, and just. That is the work of my presidency, a mission I believe in with my whole soul.

              But first, we must be honest with each other and with ourselves. Too much of what’s happening in our country today is not normal. MAGA REPUBLICANS represent an EXTREMISM that THREATENS the very foundations of our republic. Now, I want to be very clear — very clear up front: Not every Republican, not even the majority of Republicans, are MAGA REPUBLICANS. Not every Republican embraces their EXTREME IDEOLOGY. I know because I’ve been able to work with these mainstream Republicans. But there is no question that the Republican Party today is dominated, driven, and intimidated by DONALD TRUMP and MAGA REPUBLICANS, and that is a THREAT to this country.

              And here, in my view, is what is true: MAGA REPUBLICANS do not respect the CONSTITUTION. They do not believe in the RULE OF LAW. They do not recognize the will of the people. They refuse to accept the results of a free election. And they’re working right now, as I speak, in state after state to give power to decide elections in America to PARTISANS and CRONIES, empowering ELECTION DENIERS to UNDERMINE DEMOCRACY itself.

              MAGA FORCES are determined to take this country BACKWARD — backwards to an America where there is no RIGHT to CHOOSE, NO right to PRIVACY, no right to contraception, no right to marry who you love. They promote AUTHORITARIAN LEADERS, and they fan the flames of POLITICAL VIOLENCE that are a THREAT TO OUR PERSONAL RIGHTS, to the pursuit of justice, to the rule of law, to the very soul of this country.

              They look at the mob that stormed the United States Capitol on January 6th — brutally attacking law enforcement — not as insurrectionists who placed a dagger to the throat of our democracy, but they look at them as patriots. And they see their MAGA FAILURE to stop a peaceful transfer of power after the 2020 election as preparation for the 2022 and 2024 elections. They tried everything last time to nullify the votes of 81 million people. This time, they’re determined to succeed in thwarting the will of the people.

              That’s why respected conservatives, like Federal Circuit Court Judge Michael Luttig, has called TRUMP and the extreme MAGA REPUBLICANS, quote, a “clear and present DANGER” to our democracy.

              But while the THREAT to American democracy is real, I want to say as clearly as we can: We are not powerless in the face of these THREATS. We are not bystanders in this ongoing attack on democracy. There are far more Americans — far more Americans from every — from every background and belief who reject the extreme MAGA IDEOLOGY than those that accept it.

              And, folks, it is within our power, it’s in our hands — yours and mine — to stop the ASSAULT on American democracy. I believe America is at an inflection point — one of those moments that determine the shape of everything that’s to come after. And now America must choose: to move forward or to move backwards? To build the future or obsess about the past? To be a nation of hope and unity and optimism, or a nation of fear, division, and of darkness?

              MAGA REPUBLICANS have made their choice. They embrace ANGER. They thrive on CHAOS. They live not in the light of truth but in the shadow of LIES. But together, we can choose a different path. We can choose a better path. Forward, to the future.

              Today, there are DANGERS around us we cannot allow to prevail. We hear — you’ve heard it — more and more talk about VIOLENCE as an acceptable political tool in this country. It’s not. It can never be an acceptable tool.

              We saw law enforcement brutally attacked on January the 6th. We’ve seen election officials, poll workers — many of them volunteers of both parties — subjected to INTIMIDATION and DEATH THREATS.

              And — can you believe it? — FBI agents just doing their job as directed, facing THREATS to their own lives from their own fellow citizens. On top of that, there are public figures — today, yesterday, and the day before — predicting and all but calling for MASS VIOLENCE and RIOTING in the streets. This is INFLAMMATORY. It’s DANGEROUS. It’s against the rule of law.

              We can’t be pro-INSURRECTIONIST and pro-American. They’re incompatible. We can’t allow violence to be normalized in this country. It’s wrong. We each have to reject political violence with all the moral clarity and conviction this nation can muster. Now. We can’t let the integrity of our elections be UNDERMINED, for that is a path to CHAOS.

              Democracy cannot survive when one side believes there are only two outcomes to an election: either they win or they were cheated. And that’s where MAGA REPUBLICANS are today. They don’t understand what every patriotic American knows: You can’t love your country only when you win. It’s fundamental. American democracy only works only if we choose to respect the rule of law and the institutions that were set up in this chamber behind me, only if we respect our legitimate political differences. I will not stand by and watch — I will not — the will of the American people be overturned by wild conspiracy theories and baseless, evidence-free claims of fraud. I will not stand by and watch elections in this country stolen by people who simply refuse to accept that they lost.

              Look, as your President, I will defend our democracy with every fiber of my being, and I’m asking every American to join me.

              Throughout our history, America has often made the greatest progress coming out of some of our darkest moments. MAGA REPUBLICANS look at America and see CARNAGE and DARKNESS and DESPAIR. They spread FEAR and LIES – lies told for profit and power.

              But I see a very different America — an America with an unlimited future, an America that is about to take off. I hope you see it as well. Just look around. I believed we could lift America from the depths of COVID, so we passed the largest economic recovery package since Franklin Delano Roosevelt. And today, America’s economy is faster, stronger than any other advanced nation in the world.

              We have more to go. I believed we could build a better America, so we passed the biggest infrastructure investment since President Dwight D. Eisenhower. And we’ve now embarked on a decade of rebuilding the nation’s roads, bridges, highways, ports, water systems, high-speed Internet, railroads.

              I believed we could make America safer, so we passed the most significant gun safety law since President Clinton. I believed we could go from being the highest cost of prescriptions in the world to making prescription drugs and healthcare more affordable, so we passed the most significant healthcare reforms since President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act.

              And I believed we could create a clean energy future and save the planet, so we passed the most important climate initiative ever. The cynics and the critics tell us nothing can get done, but they are wrong. There is not a single thing America cannot do — not a single thing beyond our capacity if we do it together. It’s never easy. But we’re proving that in America, no matter how long the road, progress does come.

              Look, I know the last few years have been tough. But today, COVID no longer controls our lives. More Americans are working than ever. Businesses are growing. Our schools are open. Millions of Americans have been lifted out of poverty. Millions of veterans once exposed to toxic burn pits will now get what they deserve for their families and the compensation.

              American manufacturing has come alive across the Heartland, and the future will be made in America — no matter what the WHITE SUPREMACISTS and the EXTREMISTS say. I made a bet on you, the American people, and that bet is paying off. Proving that from darkness — the darkness of Charlottesville, of COVID, of gun violence, of INSURRECTION — we can see the light. Light is now visible.

              Light that will guide us forward not only in words, but in actions — actions for you, for your children, for your grandchildren, for America. Even in this moment, with all the challenges we face, I give you my word as a President: I’ve never been more optimistic about America’s future. Not because of me, but because of who you are.

              We’re going to end cancer as we know it. We are going to create millions of new jobs in a clean energy economy. We’re going to think big. We’re going to make the 21st century another American century because the world needs us to. That’s where we need to focus our energy — not in the past, not on divisive culture wars, not on the politics of grievance, but on a future we can build together.

              The MAGA REPUBLICANS believe that for them to succeed, everyone else has to fail. They believe America — not like I believe about America. I believe America is big enough for all of us to succeed, and that is the nation we’re building: a nation where no one is left behind.

              I ran for President because I believed we were in a battle for the soul of this nation. I still believe that to be true. I believe the soul is the breath, the life, and the essence of who we are. The soul is what makes us “us.” The soul of America is defined by the sacred proposition that all are created equal in the image of God. That all are entitled to be treated with decency, dignity, and respect. That all deserve justice and a shot at lives of prosperity and consequence. And that democracy — democracy must be defended, for democracy makes all these things possible.

              Democracy begins and will be preserved in we, the people’s, habits of heart, in our character: optimism that is tested yet endures, courage that digs deep when we need it, empathy that fuels democracy, the willingness to see each other not as enemies but as fellow Americans.

              Look, our democracy is imperfect. It always has been. Notwithstanding those folks you hear on the other side there. They’re entitled to be outrageous. This is a democracy. But history and common sense tell us that opportunity, liberty, and justice for all are most likely to come to pass in a democracy.

              We have never fully realized the aspirations of our founding, but every generation has opened those doors a little wider to include more people who have been excluded before. My fellow Americans, America is an idea — the most powerful idea in the history of the world. And it beats in the hearts of the people of this country. It beats in all of our hearts. It unites America. It is the American creed. The idea that America guarantees that everyone be treated with dignity. It gives HATE no safe harbor. It installs in everyone the belief that no matter where you start in life, there’s nothing you can’t achieve.

              That’s who we are. That’s what we stand for. That’s what we believe. And that is precisely what we are doing: opening doors, creating new possibilities, focusing on the future. And we’re only just beginning.

              Our task is to make our nation free and fair, just and strong, noble and whole. And this work is the work of democracy — the work of this generation. It is the work of our time, for all time. We can’t afford to leave anyone on the sidelines. We need everyone to do their part. So speak up. Speak out. Get engaged. Vote, vote, vote.

              And if we all do our duty, then ages still to come will say we — all of us here — we kept the faith. We preserved democracy. We heeded our worst instincts and listened to our better angels. And we proved that, for all its imperfections, America is still the beacon to the world, an ideal to be realized, a promise to be kept. There is nothing more important, nothing more sacred, nothing more American. That’s our soul. That’s who we truly are. And that’s who we must always be.

              And I have no doubt — none — that this is who we will be and that we’ll come together as a nation. That we’ll secure our democracy. That for the next 200 years, we’ll have what we had the past 200 years: the greatest nation on the face of the Earth. We just need to remember who we are. We are the United States of America. The United States of America.

              And may God protect our nation. And may God protect all those who stand watch over our democracy. God bless you all. Democracy. Thank you.

              This was far the most shocking, the most hate-filled speech I have ever heard.
              https://hubstatic.com/17646686.jpg

              1. Willowarbor profile image60
                Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                So using the term fascist is a problem?....

                https://x.com/MarcoFoster_/status/1968306197934768500

                https://x.com/atrupar/status/1680590600934916096

                Naming others for so-called vile language while ignoring Trump's undermines your entire argument. 

                The argument is incredible and it can't be taken seriously when it's based on a double standard.

                Biden's speech is nowhere in the universe of Trump's visceral hatred for fellow Americans....

                I HATE MY OPPONENT

                He Hates his opponent.  He makes a clear statement of hatred.   This is a really troubled man. A hateful man.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Again, you have posted this quote many times, as I have responded many times. T "I hate my opponent. " Trump   

                  I have no problem with Trump's hitting back, and hitting back hard with his words, as well as with his deeds. I don't think I could be clearer. My comment stands as my view.

                  1. peoplepower73 profile image86
                    peoplepower73posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    "I have no problem with Trump's hitting back and hitting back hard with his words, and I will add deeds. I don't think I could be clearer. My comment stands as my view."

                    Thank you for your view, No matter what is presented that is negative about Trump, you will find a way to rationalize or generalize into something you like about him and/or hate about the left/Biden.

                    Trump was right when he saidb during a 2016 campaign rally in Sioux Center, Iowa:

                    > “I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn’t lose any voters, OK? It’s, like, incredible.”

                    He was emphasizing the loyalty of his supporters, suggesting that his political base was so steadfast that even an extreme hypothetical act wouldn’t shake their support. The remark drew widespread criticism and media attention, with many interpreting it as a troubling reflection on political tribalism and accountability.

                    You can read the full context in [CBS News’ coverage](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-tru … ny-voters/) or watch the [video clip on YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTACH1eVIaA).

                    I call it brainwashing his MAGA base..

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                      Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                      Thanks for sharing your thoughts.  I will agree to disagree.

                    2. Willowarbor profile image60
                      Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                      It's funny, sad really that this regime treats it's followers as if they of of very limited intelligence.  As if they have no ability to reason... It's really blatant. It is as if they ask their followers to suspend all sense of reality.    To ask them to close their eyes and cover their ears...

                  2. Willowarbor profile image60
                    Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    A valid argument requires that the same logical standards be applied consistently to all people and situations that are alike. Using a double standard invalidates an argument...because it is a form of hypocrisy.

    18. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months ago

      Why is it that maga posters here are so damn snarky, condescending and just downright insulting???

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

        "Why is it that maga posters here are so damn snarky, condescending and just downright insulting???" Willow

        Perhaps you can point to something you feel was overly snarky, though your idea of snarky might differ from others’. For me, labeling people is snarky; some here might not see it that way. I actually consider “what-ifs” a form of snark, but at the top of my list is accusing someone without providing a quote. Could it be that you’re mistaking someone stating their own truth for snark, and simply don’t like what you’re hearing?

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Are you kidding me?  Should I make a thread?   All one would need to do is go back over the history, even really the most recent history of 3 to 4 users here... Is that what you'd like to see?

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

            You always threaten to go over past post --- yes, that would be necessary to quote someone, would it not? I mean, why bring something like this up if you won't give some examples? I think most here keep it pretty polite.  I would just like to see even one example.  That should be no problem. 

            Anyway, I can see you are diverting off subject--- I got too close to a nerve. Right now, I just posted a current bit of news on Left radical riots in Portland.  Stay on subject, or yes, build a thread about your issue. My thread is all about left radical violence. There is no shortage.

            1. Willowarbor profile image60
              Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              I've been pointing out the rude comments, including yours,  along the way.  I have specifically pointed out Mike and the good doctor also....

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                "I've been pointing out the rude comments, including yours,  along the way.  I have specifically pointed out Mike and the good doctor also...." Willow

                As always, you have no quotes... I find it uncalled for to continue to accuse others without stepping up with a quote.  You do this frequently. Yes, you do point out rudeness without any proof that anyone was rude to you.

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              Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this
    19. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 2 months ago

      I mean, how does one keep up with all this --- BUT ALL THIS needs to be noted... over 80 nights of rioting!!!   We need to take our cities back and stop this leftwing violence. The destruction is unsurpassed in Portland.
       
      Trump vows 'full force' as he plans to send troops to Portland amid anti-ICE protests
      President Donald Trump directs Secretary of War Pete Hegseth to protect ICE facilities from demonstrators

      Watch the clip UNBELEVABLE
      https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump- … s-continue

      President Donald Trump announced Saturday morning that he plans to send troops to Portland, Oregon, amid ongoing anti-ICE protests in the blue city.

      "At the request of Secretary of Homeland Security, Kristi Noem, I am directing Secretary of War, Pete Hegseth, to provide all necessary Troops to protect War ravaged Portland, and any of our ICE Facilities under siege from attack by Antifa, and other domestic terrorists," Trump posted to Truth Social on Saturday morning.

      "I am also authorizing Full Force, if necessary. Thank you for your attention to this matter!" he added.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilbXZoYg_c

    20. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 2 months ago

      https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-t … db559b020f

      “So what kind of speech is now subject to a person or entity potentially being deemed a domestic terrorism threat? Anyone who espouses “anti-Americanism, anti-capitalism, and anti-Christianity; support for the overthrow of the United States Government; extremism on migration, race, and gender; and hostility towards those who hold traditional American views on family, religion, and morality,” is subject to suspicion, the memo states.”

      What does this all mean? Surely sounds a lot like Rightwing initiated despotism and tyranny to me…….

      I had better call Saul, because they will want to jail me, next!!

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Cred, had a look at the article...The article paints Trump’s domestic terrorism memo as an attack on free speech, but in my view, that’s a misrepresentation. What the memo actually does, again, in my view,  is treat political violence with the seriousness it deserves. For years, we’ve seen a growing trend where extreme rhetoric doesn’t just stay rhetoric; it turns into assassinations, arson, threats against judges, and violent attacks on government facilities. Charlie Kirk’s murder isn’t isolated, nor was the attempt on Trump’s life, nor the attack plots against Brett Kavanaugh. These aren’t harmless protests; they’re coordinated, politically motivated acts of violence.

        The left loves to pretend that as long as you slap the word “speech” on something, it’s untouchable.  But the reality is, groups don’t just speak, they organize, they fund, they radicalize.  When organizations pump money into “activism” that routinely escalates into intimidation and destruction, that isn’t protected political dissent anymore. It’s material support for violence. The administration has every right, even a responsibility, to trace those networks and shut down the flow of money that enables them. That’s not silencing ideas; that’s protecting lives.

        The article complains that the memo includes vague categories like “anti-Americanism” or “anti-capitalism.” But let’s be honest,  those ideologies are the bedrock for extremist violence.  The people trying to burn down ICE facilities, the ones attacking Christians, or plotting against government officials,  they’re not doing it because they love America or capitalism. They’re doing it because they despise those things and want to tear them down.  If you want to separate legitimate peaceful protest from terrorism, you have to look at the ideology motivating the violence. Pretending otherwise is naïve.

        And let’s not ignore the hypocrisy. The same people shrieking about Trump’s supposed “authoritarian crackdown” had no problem when the Biden administration targeted parents at school board meetings with the FBI, labeled MAGA supporters as extremists, or leaned on social media to censor speech about COVID or elections. Suddenly, when the shoe is on the other foot and progressive groups like Soros’ Open Society Foundations are in the spotlight, it’s a “Red Scare.” That’s not principle, that’s partisan panic.

        Finally, the idea that this memo is some new Nixonian purge is laughable. Nixon went after reporters for being critical. Trump’s memo is about groups that directly or indirectly facilitate violence.  There is proof that these groups are facilitating violence, destruction, and deaths.

        If those groups are innocent, the courts will protect them. If they’re guilty, they’ll be exposed for what they are: networks hiding behind “free speech” while bankrolling destruction. The First Amendment was never meant to be a shield for groups that encourage or enable terrorism. Not in my book.

        So the real question is: do we wait until more people are murdered before doing something? Or do we finally admit that political violence, whether from the left, the right, or anyone in between, needs to be stopped at its roots? The article calls this chilling. I call it overdue.

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Does Treating political violence with the seriousness it deserves apply to all political violence from whatever ideological pole from which it derives? That is not the impression I get from the Regimes latest edict. I have seen a lot of that from the Right as well, do you condemn that?

          All have the right to organize, share ideas and principles and I don’t appreciate this assault on free speech and that is what it is, as there is no room for equivocation on this point. People are responsible for their own actions if they go beyond the realm of ideas into physical violence, you have all been saying this to cover all the right wing oriented massacres of innocent civilians, but now all of the sudden we are not allowed to express dissent against what I consider the most tyrannical administration in the history of this republic. It a lie to link ideas with violence otherwise the KKK would have been outlawed, but again that is a rightwing organization and they are allowed to be free to promulgate their ideas and organize without interference? What about the “Proud Boys” and all of these loathsome white supremists organizations? I am not one to stand for hypocrisy and double standards in administering the laws.

          Is not racism and intolerance a driving force for violence in this society, what about that? Saying that ideas are the bedrock for violence is the slogan for every tyrant. I am surprised that you ascribe to such nonsense. I believe in free speech and I insist on the right to say whatever I want.

          For example, I may well be considered Anti-American if that means acceptance of a jingoistic nationalism that bullies and disregards the rights of other societies.

          I may well be considered Anti-Christian, if that means that I have to endure proselytizing and government being in a place to ‘establish” religion, contrary to the Constitutional mandate of neutrality toward the topic?

          I may well be considered Anti-Capitalism in my views of abuses by greedy and oligarchal forces.

          So, do I foment violence because I don’t subscribe to all the right wing BS, honestly now, Sharlee?

          It easy to see where the bread crumbs lead here, Trumps tirade about fomenting violence is just another way of silencing dissenting voices. We all know this. I am surprised that the Right believes that they can deceive all the rest of us by calling it something else.

          There is such a thing as being innocent until proven guilty. For the left, that means not being harassed by law enforcement for simply advocating and sharing ideas that the Right winger does not like.

          I am determined to speak boldly and I find the Right an intractable enemy that must be confronted.

          So the death of this one Charlie Kirk guy justifies putting half of country under suspicion? Are you so quick to shred the Constitution and all that it stands for? I always fight for people to be able to advocate and say what they want and that includes peaceable assembly. This attempted causative link between speech and ideas vs violent action is nothing less than tyrannical……

          In my humble opinion..

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Cred,  I oppose all violence, I want nothing to do with anybody who turns words into weapons. That said, I’ll push back on key points in the comment while defending free speech and insisting we apply the same standards to everyone. Free speech is essential, but it isn’t absolute. There’s a long-standing legal and moral line between abstract advocacy of an idea and speech that’s intended to and likely to produce imminent lawless action. That’s why direct, immediate calls to violence aren’t protected and why speech that crosses into coordination, threats, or intimidation becomes the state’s legitimate concern.

            Pointing out that ideas can sometimes lead to violence is not automatically “tyrannical” or a pretext for silencing dissent. History and experience show a meaningful distinction between hateful or offensive ideas and organized efforts that move from rhetoric to concrete plans or intimidation. When rhetoric turns into coordinated threats or targeted harassment, the state’s duty to protect people becomes real and unavoidable. That does not mean policing unpopular thought, it means applying laws against violence and intimidation where they actually apply.

            Accusations of double standards are often justified and worth calling out. Too often, similar kinds of disruption or violence by different ideological groups are treated differently by institutions and authorities, and that inconsistency corrodes public trust. Calling out hypocrisy, whether it’s leniency toward violent far-right actors or selective prosecution of left-of-center protesters, is fair and necessary. Demanding evenhanded enforcement does not equal defending violence; it means insisting the rule of law apply uniformly.

            At the same time, I worry about broad attempts to label whole movements or diffuse dissent as “terrorism” or criminal conspiracies. Sweeping labels can chill lawful dissent and give political actors tools to silence criticism. We should resist rhetoric that equates unpopular ideas with criminal intent unless there is clear, actionable evidence of planning or incitement to violence. Protecting the space for harsh, even offensive political speech is how democracies survive, while still holding individuals accountable when they step into violent action.

            Consistency matters. Defend the right to criticize government and promote unpopular ideas nonviolently. Apply criminal law equally to those who plan, encourage, or commit violence, no matter which side they claim to represent. And resist political branding that sweeps peaceful dissent into criminal categories. I’ll defend your right to call me anti-anything if that’s your honest view, but I will not defend violence or those who organize it. If we want a healthy republic, we must oppose violence everywhere and insist institutions respond the same way every time.

            I respect Charlie Kirk for his ideas, values, leadership, and passion for trying to make things better, all of the same qualities I saw and respected for MLK. Free speech and peaceful assembly must be protected, and anyone who crosses the line into harming others should be held accountable, no matter their politics.

            1. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              We do have somewhat of a meeting of the minds here. This is saying what have been in my last comment.

              My problem with Trump and his policies is that in my opinion he is crossing a dangerous line between what is free speech and association with criminal activity. And secondly, he is focused on the left while giving the right wing oriented organizations a free pass. His comments have indicated as much, anyway.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Cred, I see where you’re coming from, but I don’t agree that Trump is crossing that line. To me, he’s hitting back using the same language that’s been thrown at him for years, and I think that’s fair game. Free speech shouldn’t suddenly be questioned just because it’s Trump speaking bluntly.

                As for giving the right a “free pass,” I don’t see it that way; his focus is on the left because that’s where most of the attacks and policies he’s pushing back against are coming from. It’s not about ignoring wrongdoing on the right, it’s about addressing the imbalance, he feels is present. In fact, I see him meeting forceful rhetoric head-on instead of retreating.

                Do you consider it acceptable when members of Congress use terms like Hitler, fascist, dictator, or Nazi? I’ve researched this and found multiple examples. So why is it acceptable for those representatives to use that language, but somehow inappropriate for Trump to push back in kind? In my view, many of them are projecting, accusing Trump of the very things their own agenda resembles. That agenda, in fact, is part of what helped get Trump elected in the first place.

                Maybe take a moment to think about the tactics Democrats have used against Trump over the years, the ploys they’ve pulled, and the narrative they’ve tried to sell. I think it’s only fair to consider the other side of the coin. I’ve provided you with facts to weigh, and hopefully you can see why Trump responds as he does. The difference is that when he pushes back, he does so because he genuinely believes it to be true. I will not turn away from facts. I have taken a long look at them.

                1. Credence2 profile image81
                  Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  The President of the United States does not “hit back”. At least not any president that I have lived under within my lifetime has. You are supposed to be above all the tit for tat stuff. That belongs in a grade school play yard. The President is supposed to find common ground between disparate points of view not foment one side against the other. In this, he is not bringing people together but driving them apart. What leader in his station has ever said that he hated his enemies publicly at a funeral to commemorate the death of one individual? You don’t get involved with Taylor Swift or say dumb things or post graffiti on a back alley chalkboard. (His chat box, whatever they call it) This man has been involved in illicit activity in a way uncharacteristic of anyone holding the office before, so he brings a lot this scrutiny upon himself. And he has no right to not expect it. His approach to government has been unorthodox, crossing many Constitutional guardrails, so describing that as such by members of Congress does not alarm me a great deal.

                  Yeah, sure from Trumps standpoint the Left is the problem. Well, the Left also has the most opposition to Trump and his policies, we have every right to express our discontent in both word and print. What he “feels”  and what he believes is true has never meant a great deal to me.

                  I expect Trump to respond as the leader of the free world and not like a petulant toddler.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    I have to strongly disagree. From where I sit, Trump is a president who actively pushes back against the relentless attacks and misinformation directed at him. Calling it “grade school tit-for-tat” misses the point entirely—he is up against coordinated efforts from the media, political elites, and left-wing organizations that consistently misrepresent his words and policies. If he didn’t respond, his positions and the interests of his supporters would be steamrolled.

                    You mention common ground, but what common ground exists when the other side repeatedly distorts facts, refuses to engage honestly, and openly vilifies him and the people who support him? Did you actually review the list I provided? These are factual statements, yet it seems you either cannot or will not consider the other side of the coin. No politician in our history has been more unfairly maligned simply to damage him in the public eye. So when you say presidents shouldn’t hit back, I respond: no other president has faced such relentless attacks for no reason, and no other president has had to defend himself and his supporters as forcefully.

                    I see his actions as a defense of the people who elected him, a refusal to be silenced, and a way of calling out hypocrisy. Yes, some of his language is unorthodox, but unorthodox does not equal illegal or wrong. It’s a reflection of the reality that the playing field has never been fair, and he’s leveling it.

                    And as for what he “feels” or “believes,” that matters in this context because he’s defending a vision for the country that his opponents want to shut down. Leaders have the right, and I would argue the duty, to defend their positions boldly, especially when conventional norms have been weaponized against them. Trump is unafraid to speak what he believes is true, and frankly, that is what makes him different and what so many of us admire.

                2. Willowarbor profile image60
                  Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Has nothing to do with free speech and everything to do with him professing hate for half the country.... He is a man of absolutely no morality or character whatsoever.  He has hate in his heart.... Most of us expect a whole lot more from POTUS.   I'll give this, yes he is "genuinely" hateful.   But please say more about Christianity and Christian values LOL

            2. peoplepower73 profile image86
              peoplepower73posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Honest to God. As I was reading that I thought it was about Trump until I read the last paragraph. Then I remembered it was you.  However, everything you said could apply to Trump and his world as well.

              See that is how hypocrisy works. Trumpers need to look in the mirror and see themselves and their dear leader first,

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                I’ve already shared my perspective in detail, but I appreciate hearing your take on it.

              2. Willowarbor profile image60
                Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                I'm going to use their own language...THE RIGHT thrives on double standard and hypocrisy.  The regime demands it and THEY, the followers  fall in line.  This regime very clearly treats the followers as if they are stupid....

    21. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 2 months ago

      DHS is Fighting Back Against Antifa Violence
      Release Date: September 26, 2025
      Antifa-aligned domestic terrorists have nowhere to hide: DHS is upholding the rule of law
      https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/09/26/dhs … hatgpt.com

      WASHINGTON – The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) has arrested dozens of Antifa-aligned left-wing violent extremists who have attacked law enforcement, murdered innocent civilians, and launched a wave of violent riots throughout the United States.

      Under Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem’s leadership, DHS is standing firm to defend our Homeland, the rule of law, and our way of life. It has mobilized to enforce President Donald J. Trump’s Executive Order “Designating Antifa as a Domestic Terrorist Organization.”

      “Antifa and other left-wing extremists have shot, attacked, issued death threats against, and incited riots against law enforcement. Enough is enough: if you lay a hand on our federal law enforcement officers, you will be arrested and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law,” said DHS Assistant Secretary Tricia McLaughlin. “But Antifa and their friends haven’t stopped us. They’re not even slowing us down. Despite the 1,000% increase in assaults against them, our brave men and women in federal law enforcement are still on the ground, fighting every single day to uphold the rule of law and keep Americans safe from violent extremists and criminal illegal aliens alike.”

      Wednesday’s horrific targeted attack where three people were shot at a Dallas, Texas, Immigrations and Customs Enforcement (ICE) facility was carried out by an extremist who engraved “Anti-ICE” on bullet casings. This is only the latest attack in a wave of Antifa-aligned political violence: it comes just months after a bomb threat at the same facility.
      https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/08/26/law … s-facility

      Sanctuary politicians' demonizing rhetoric and legacy media’s lies about the fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters, working in ICE, Customs and Border Protection (CBP), and other federal law enforcement has directly led to these attacks. They are why ICE agents are facing a 1,000% increase in assaults.

      Nonetheless, DHS is STANDING FIRM.

      Below is a non-exhaustive list of the arrests DHS has made to keep America safe from Antifa-aligned domestic extremism:

      Law Enforcement Arrests Suspect Who Made Bomb Threat on ICE Dallas Field Office. ---- Bratton Dean Wilkerson, a 36-year-old U.S. citizen, entered the facility and claimed to have a bomb in his backpack and a detonator on his wrist. He was taken into custody and charged with making terroristic threats.
      https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/08/26/law … s-facility

      Law Enforcement Captures Antifa-Aligned Violent Extremists Who Ambushed and Shot Officers at ICE Facility in Prairieland, Texas are Captured
      On July 4, 2025, a group of leftwing extremists coordinated an ambush on the Prairieland Detention Center. Wearing matching tactical clothing, the attackers first stormed the facility and used fireworks. Then, as law enforcement responded, other attackers hiding nearby opened fire, wounding a local police officer in the neck.

      Fifteen individuals associated with the attack have been arrested and hit with charges ranging from attempted murder of federal agents to hindering the prosecution of terrorism.

      One of the defendants and an alleged shooter, Benjamin Hanil Song, was hunted down and arrested after a week-long manhunt.

      Violent Extremist Arrested after Trying to Run Over CBP Agent with Their Car
      In Knox County, Tennessee, Olivia G. Wilkins, 24, attempted to run over a Border Patrol Agent who was in the process of arresting criminal illegal aliens.
      Wilkins attempted to flee the scene, but was pursued, arrested, and charged with aggravated reckless conduct, criminal threatening with a dangerous weapon, driving to endanger, hindering apprehension, obstructing government administration, and failure to stop for an officer.

      DHS Files Charges Against Member of Congress who Physically Assaulted ICE Officers --- Several members of Congress broke into the Delaney Hall Detention Facility in Newark, New Jersey and assaulted ICE officers.

      Representative LaMonica McIver was caught on camera physically assaulting officers who were lawfully preventing her efforts to trespass on federal property.
      She was indicted by a federal grand jury and charged for assaulting a federal law enforcement officer.

      DHS and Other Law Enforcement Arrest Antifa-Aligned Rioters Who Attacked Broadview, IL ICE Facility

      Since September 19, violent rioters have repeatedly attacked an ICE facility in Broadview, Illinois. DHS and law enforcement have arrested 17 of these violent rioters on multiple charges, including:

      4 rioters were arrested by Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Chicago for obstruction and assault on a federal officer.

      7 other rioters were arrested for assaulting a law enforcement officers and have been issued citations to appear before a U.S. Magistrate and answer for their crimes. 3 other rioters have been arrested for disturbances and disorderly conduct on federal property. Their release from DHS custody is pending as of this writing.

      Illinois Governor Pritzker and Chicago Mayor Brandon Johnson’s nonstop demonization of ICE, comparing them Nazis and falsely claiming they are “secret police” who are “terrorizing our communities” have contributed to these out-of-control riots.

      DHS Arrests and Files Charges Against Antifa-Affiliated Rioters who Attacked Portland, OR ICE Facility

      Rioters in Portland, Oregon have repeatedly attacked and laid siege to an ICE processing center. Several have been arrested and hit with federal charges:

      On June 24, a rioter shined a high-powered laser beam into the eyes of an ICE Special Response Team (SRT) officer who was protecting the facility. The laser was found on the rioter’s person, and the subject has been charged with Assault on a Federal Officer.

      Again, on June 24, a rioter picked up and threw a smoke grenade at federal officers, striking one in the forearm and abdomen. The rioter was arrested, and has been charged with Assault on a Federal Officer.

      On June 29, a rioter was attempting to damage equipment at the facility. DHS officers took the subject into custody, who resisted arrest, grabbed an officer in the genitals, and kicked officers in the groin and legs. They have been charged with Assault on a Federal Officer and Depredation of Government Property.

      Rose City Antifa also illegally doxed ICE officers, publishing their private information and home address online and on public flyers. Individuals associated with Antifa also sent death threats to ICE agents and DHS personnel.

      DHS Arrests and Prosecutes Antifa-Aligned Rioters in Los Angeles
      Throughout the summer of 2025, riots broke in Los Angeles as DHS law enforcement officers conducted operations to find and arrest criminal illegal aliens. Multiple rioters have been arrested and prosecuted for attacking law enforcement and destroying property.

      During a Border Patrol operation in Los Angeles, Elpidio Reyna donned a mask and threw cinderblocks at federal officers and their vehicles, injuring an agent. He was indicted by a federal grand jury for assaulting a federal officer, and is facing up to 20 years in prison.

      On June 17, a rioter attempted to strike Federal Protection Service (FPS) officers with their car and disrupt an ongoing arrest. They were found and arrested on September 9th and have been charged with Assaulting a Federal Officer.

      On August 2nd, rioters descended on a federal courthouse. While a FPS vehicle attempted to exit the facility, one of the rioters threw themselves on the vehicle. When officers attempted to detain the rioter, he struck an officer in the face with his fist. He has been arrested and charged for assaulting a federal officer.

      Again, on August 2nd, a rioter struck a FPS officer on the arm and torso during a wider demonstration. The rioter has been since arrested and charged with assaulting a federal officer.

      Despite these attacks, ICE and Border Patrol arrested thousands of criminal illegal aliens, including rapists, gang members, murderers, and child sex offenders.

    22. Ken Burgess profile image73
      Ken Burgessposted 2 months ago

      It is important that anyone not already captured by the Leftist Ideology that is disconnected from both reality and morality start to grasp the levity of the situation our nation and our world is in.

      It is not that the Leftists, aka the Progressive Woke, is the cause in and of itself... that movement and those who champion its causes are but Pawns of those with real power who want to transform the world... and are doing so...

      Their plans are not hidden, their efforts are not concealed (not anymore), billions, if not trillions, have been provided to the effort of destroying America from within... such things as the George Soros - Open Society efforts are a part of that, targeting DA and AG elections throughout the nation to ensure that Law is not enforced and Order becomes chaos...

      But it goes deeper than that, the assassination of JFK was long before Soros became as powerful and influential on the Global stage as he has become.

      The point... open your eyes to what is really going on, don't get lost in the minutia... which is what our  Main Stream Media is all about focusing you on...  it lies and deceives and if you do not watch or read today's "News" thinking every word you read is meant to deceive you or twist your perceptions... then you are being duped into being one of their Pawns.

      Victor Davis Hanson: Signs of a ‘Total Systems Collapse’ Are Everywhere—Are You Paying Attention?
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nljL65VEXnc

      1. peoplepower73 profile image86
        peoplepower73posted 2 months agoin reply to this

        The point... open your eyes to what is really going on, don't get lost in the minutia... which is what Trump is all about focusing you on...  he lies and deceives and if you do not watch Fox News" thinking every word you read is meant to deceive you or twist your perceptions... then you are being duped into being one of Trump's Pawns.

        See how I did that? That shows you the hypocrisy in Trump's world. All I had to do was change a few words and it applies exactly to Trump and MAGA

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Fox treats their audience as if they are of low intelligence...it's painful to watch.

    23. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months ago

      Trump now going after the rank-and-file FBI agents who responded to help restore order to an overrun Capitol on Jan. 6. to  contain those who were assaulting officers... falsely accusing them based on inaccurate/misleading reports yesterday of being agitators in the crowd....

      This story is being wildly misrepresented...these were not undercover agents embedded in the crowd. They were part of the multi-agency  law enforcement response *after* the Capitol was attacked, as the documents themselves make clear.... SHIELD THE EYES MAGA .  THIS REGIME THINKS YOU'RE STUPID

      https://hubstatic.com/17647139_f1024.jpg

      The fact that the "BOMBSHELL" WAS REPORTED 10 MONTHS AGO LMAO

      https://hubstatic.com/17647144_f1024.jpg

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Uh oh...the clown car is rolling...

        Kash Patel is now doing cleanup and contradicting Trump, telling Fox that the 274 FBI agents were sent to the Capitol *after* the riot began to help police regain control....

        Contradicting Trump's post accusing the agents of being "agitators".

        Trump has got to be pissed with Kash

    24. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months ago

      Trump is going to need to start proving his bullshit "antifa" claims....those of us who can reason need more than his delusional.blather.

      I want the evidence not his bloviating

      Looks like Portland is fighting back in court.. claiming ice is instigating...

      another desperate attempt to stoke violence and civil unrest so he can invoke the Insurrection Act to seize control of blue states...he's a sick hateful man

      1. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

        And through “Martial Law” find a method to disenfranchise them so they wont have a voice in these upcoming midterms. Trump has to be desperate, if he loses Congress in the next session he is through and he knows it.

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Absolutely, it's a coordinated attack on Blue America.  Once his goons are in place, they won't leave. The ultimate goal? In my opinion... To cancel midterm elections.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Cred,   I would think these facts clearly demonstrate the problems we are seeing and the occasional need to call in support from the National Guard. ICE agents are simply doing their jobs, they are being doxxed, assaulted, and even shot at while legally removing migrants who no longer have the right to remain in our country. What gives anyone the right to break the law, riot, cause destruction, and, in one tragic case, contribute to a death at an ICE detention center?

          The American people voted for a president who promised to enforce immigration laws and deport those who are in the country illegally. Those who oppose ICE orders are not only breaking the law themselves but are also attempting to prevent a duly elected president from fulfilling a campaign promise.

          I would consider Trump lacking in leadership if he did not provide protection for these federal workers. I consider anyone condoning the violence against ICE agents as showing blatant disrespect for our laws and for the voice of the American people. In my view, Trump is entirely within his rights to take action to protect ICE personnel and deter violence at detention centers. These agents deserve to do their jobs without fear of assault, disruption, or being shot at.

          FACTS

          September 2025: Dallas, Texas – Sniper Attack

          Incident: A gunman opened fire from a rooftop at an ICE facility in Dallas, Texas, KILLING one detainee and injuring two others.

          Details: The shooter, identified as Joshua Jahn, was found dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Investigators discovered ammunition marked "ANTI-ICE" at the scene, indicating a targeted attack against ICE personnel.
          ABC News

          September 2025: Broadview, Illinois – Protests Turn Violent

          Incident: Protesters gathered outside an ICE facility in Broadview, Illinois, chanting "Arrest ICE, Shoot ICE."

          Details: The Department of Homeland Security condemned these actions, emphasizing the need for local leaders to denounce such rhetoric.
          U.S. Department of Homeland Security

          September 2025: New York City – Officer Relieved of Duties

          Incident: An ICE officer was relieved of his duties after video footage showed him shoving a woman to the ground during an arrest outside an immigration court in Manhattan.

          Details: The Department of Homeland Security called the officer's conduct "unacceptable," and the incident is under investigation.
          ABC News

          July 2025: Alvarado, Texas – Armed Assault on Detention Facility

          Incident: A group of nearly a dozen armed assailants attacked the Prairieland Detention Facility, shooting a local law enforcement officer in the process.

          Details: The officer is expected to recover, and suspects are being sought by authorities.
          ICE

          Overall Trend: Surge in Attacks on ICE Personnel

          Statistics: The Department of Homeland Security reports a 1,000% increase in assaults on ICE officers over recent months.

          Context: These assaults have occurred during enforcement operations, with incidents involving vehicles used as weapons and other forms of aggression.
          U.S. Department of Homeland Security

          Cred, So, what are your thoughts on what I predicted?

          1. Credence2 profile image81
            Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Unless there is a compelling reason beyond Trump just saying so, the idea of “posse comitatus” still applies. I believe Trump is ignoring this and has a scheme to aggravate a situation that is unwarranted. He talks about sending military troops in to fight crime in large cities which is clearly the purview of local authorities. In my opinion, he consistently operates outside of the guardrail which is why I generally dislike and distrust him and his ultimate motives for this intimidation.

            I do not excuse actions taken against federal authorities doing their jobs. I am aware of the politically touchy situation regarding the rounding up of illegal residents, but has never been like Trump to forego the sledgehammer approach in favor persuasion and cooperation with responsible authorities. He will continue to create enemies which may well be his undoing.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Cred,  I strongly disagree with your assessment. First, the idea that Trump is ignoring the Posse Comitatus Act is a misunderstanding of both the law and the context. Posse Comitatus prohibits the direct involvement of active-duty military in domestic law enforcement, but it does not prevent the President from using federal forces or the National Guard to support local law enforcement when acting under lawful authority. Trump’s actions are aimed at assisting overwhelmed local authorities and protecting federal property and federal employees, which is fully within his legal rights.

              The notion that he is “aggravating the situation” ignores the reality that many local jurisdictions are unable or unwilling to enforce federal immigration law. ICE agents, border authorities, and other federal officers are routinely obstructed, threatened, and attacked while performing their duties. The federal government not only has the right but the duty to protect these workers and enforce the law. Acting to defend federal property and personnel does not break any laws, as long as it is targeted, lawful, and within the President’s authority.

              You claim Trump always uses a “sledgehammer” approach instead of persuasion. That ignores that the status quo has repeatedly failed. Cities with high crime and illegal immigration issues have seen escalating problems despite local efforts. Trump is not acting out of malice; he is using the tools available to protect citizens, uphold federal law, and maintain order, exactly what the Constitution entrusts to the executive branch.

              The argument that he “creates enemies that may be his undoing” misses the point. Leadership requires making hard choices, and those who defend the law and protect the public will inevitably make enemies among those who wish to flout it. Trump’s critics paint his actions as aggressive, but in reality, he is exercising his legal authority to protect federal property and employees while defending the rule of law and the safety of the American people.

              Shouldn’t ICE officers be allowed to defend themselves while performing their duties? When confronted with violence on the job, they are legally permitted to use bodily force, even lethal force, if faced with an imminent threat of death or serious injury. Any use of force must follow federal law and DHS policies, requiring it to be reasonable, necessary, and proportional. It seems only fair that these federal officers have the authority to protect themselves and safely carry out their responsibilities without being attacked or undermined. From my perspective, Trump’s decision to deploy the National Guard is a practical problem-solver. He is intervening to prevent situations from escalating, stopping violence that could injure or even kill protesters or federal workers. It’s clear to me that he is addressing a problem before it becomes a much larger one, not ignoring it.

              I feel it is not only wise but also his duty to protect the rights of all citizens, not just protesters, including those who could be affected by rioting or violent demonstrations. It seems odd that some focus only on the rights of violent protesters; what about the rights of others? What about the migrant who was shot the other day at a detention center? Leadership requires ensuring the safety and rights of everyone, not just those causing chaos, and that includes protecting federal workers, law-abiding citizens, and vulnerable individuals who could be harmed in these situations.

              1. Willowarbor profile image60
                Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                "Cities with high crime and illegal immigration issues have seen escalating problems despite local efforts."

                Completely untrue... And that statement would have to be backed up with recent credible factual data...fact is, it can't

    25. Willowarbor profile image60
      Willowarborposted 2 months ago

      In the White House, in the streets, in the U.N., on Fox News, at Mar-a-Lago, on Social Media and everywhere else Trump is, he is an embarrassment to America and humanity.

      He lies, he spews nonsense, he spreads hate, he is not bright and the long list of his bad traits are in full view of the world every single day.

      He has allowed and encouraged his followers to be their worst selves which is a far cry from Christianity....

    26. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 2 months ago

      Cred,  I would think Trump has good reason to push back. In my view, he has not exhibited anything that could reasonably be attributed to being a Nazi, Hitler, a dictator, or a fascist. At the same time, I recognize that much of the Democrats’ agenda, in some ways, reflects the very traits they have labeled Trump with.

      Democratic Members of Congress and Prominent Democrats Using Strong Language

      Kamala Harris (D-CA, Vice President)
      In October 2024, Harris referred to Trump as a “fascist” during a CNN town hall, stating, “I think that to say that he's a fascist is completely accurate.”
      AP News

      Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY)
      Ocasio-Cortez has frequently used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” to describe Trump’s policies and rhetoric.

      Ilhan Omar (D-MN)
      Omar has called Trump a “fascist” and has used the term “concentration camps” to describe migrant detention facilities.

      Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
      Warren has described Trump’s administration as a “fascist state” and has warned about authoritarian tendencies.
      Inquirer.com

      Bernie Sanders (I-VT, caucuses with Democrats)
      Sanders has referred to Trump as a “fascist” and has expressed concerns about authoritarianism in the U.S.

      Nancy Pelosi (D-CA, Speaker of the House)
      Pelosi has used the term “fascist” to describe Trump’s actions and rhetoric.
      AOL

      Pramila Jayapal (D-WA)
      Jayapal has referred to Trump’s policies as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

      Joe Kennedy III (D-MA, former Congressman)
      Kennedy has described Trump’s actions as showing “fascist tendencies” in media appearances and speeches.

      Tim Walz (D-MN, Governor)
      Walz has publicly used words like “authoritarian” or “fascist” in describing certain policies and actions by the Trump administration and allies.

      Steve Cohen (D-TN) Cohen compared Republican rhetoric to Nazi propaganda, stating, “They say it's a government takeover of health care, a big lie just like Goebbels.”
      Wikipedia

      Ted Lieu (D-CA)
      Lieu has referred to Trump as a “fascist” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

      Adam Schiff (D-CA)
      Schiff has used terms like “authoritarian” and “fascist” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

      Jerry Nadler (D-NY)
      Nadler has referred to Trump’s actions as “fascist” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

      Maxine Waters (D-CA)
      Waters has used terms like “fascist” and “dictator” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

      Barbara Lee (D-CA)
      Lee has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

      Rashida Tlaib (D-MI)
      Tlaib has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

      Ayanna Pressley (D-MA)
      Pressley has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

      Ilhan Omar (D-MN)
      Omar has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

      Joaquin Castro (D-TX)
      Castro has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

      Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY)
      Jeffries has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

      Nancy Pelosi (D-CA, Speaker of the House)
      Pelosi has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

      Chuck Schumer (D-NY, Senate Majority Leader)
      Schumer has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

      Dick Durbin (D-IL, Senate Majority Whip)
      Durbin has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

      Patty Murray (D-WA, Senate Assistant Majority Leader)
      Murray has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

      Ron Wyden (D-OR, Senator)
      Wyden has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

      Jeff Merkley (D-OR, Senator)
      Merkley has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

      Sherrod Brown (D-OH, Senator)
      Brown has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

      Tammy Baldwin (D-WI, Senator)
      Baldwin has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

      Jon Tester (D-MT, Senator)
      Tester has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

      Michael Bennet (D-CO, Senator)
      Bennet has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

      Cory Booker (D-NJ, Senator)
      Booker has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

      Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY, Senator)
      Gillibrand has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

      Amy Klobuchar (D-MN, Senator)
      Klobuchar has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

      **Elizabeth Warren (D-MA,
      Senator Elizabeth Warren has frequently used terms like "fascist" and "authoritarian" to describe actions and policies of former President Donald Trump. Here are some notable instances:

      June 12, 2025 – Senate Floor Speech: Warren condemned the violent treatment of Senator Alex Padilla by federal agents, stating, "Every day Donald Trump is making this nation look more and more like a fascist state."
      Elizabeth Warren

      October 28, 2024 – Boston.com Interview: Warren referred to Trump as a "fascist," criticizing his policies and actions.
      Boston.com

      March 5, 2025 – Yahoo News: In response to a shooting at an ICE facility, Warren labeled the Trump administration as "authoritarians" and "fascists."
      Yahoo

      August 25, 2025 – Latin Times: Warren described Trump's attempt to remove Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook as an "authoritarian power grab."
      Latin Times

      July 23, 2025 – Variety Op-Ed: Warren criticized the cancellation of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, suggesting it was part of a pattern of Trump exploiting presidential power for personal gain.

      Representative Tim Walz (Democratic official — cited in national coverage) — in some coverage cited language that the country was being “stolen by fascists and Nazis.” (Reported disputes and calls for apology; note: Walz is a Democrat in statewide office and his remarks were widely reported).
      JNS.org

      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        So it's wrong when all the above mentioned use the word fascist Marxist or communist but it is 100% okay when Trump does it???

        NO CREDIBLE ARGUMENT IS BASED ON A DOUBLE STANDARD...


        Here is a compilation of Trump doing precisely that... Outraged? Dangerous rhetoric? LOL
        https://x.com/micah_erfan/status/1966667619148222843

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          So it's wrong when all the above mentioned use the word fascist Marxist or communist but it is 100% okay when Trump does it???

          NO CREDIBLE ARGUMENT IS BASED ON A DOUBLE STANDARD...
          ———
          Good point…..

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            These folks constantly want us to be outraged with their examples while completely turning a blind eye to Trump.... Many are used to doing that but we most certainly are not.

          2. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Cred,   So let’s be clear,  Trump isn’t out here tossing around insults for no reason. For years Democrats have thrown every vile label at him: fascist, Nazi, dictator, Marxist, communist,  you name it. That’s where the tone started. When Trump fires back, it’s usually directed at people’s actual actions or policies, not just blind name-calling. He’s calling it like it is. Pretending this is a one-sided problem is dishonest.

            We were having a conversation about this, and now it’s been diverted into another aspect of the issue. However, I have openly admitted I support Trump hitting back, and I’ve offered a lengthy comment explaining why I feel this way. I do not feel in any respect that Trump is doing anything wrong by giving back what they have thrown at him. I see one side very much guilty, and Trump hitting back to shut their rhetoric up. Because in my view, they are causing the violence we are seeing almost daily.

            And if you actually read the long list I provided, you’d see factual examples of where he’s been attacked by many Democrats. So if you’re pointing a finger and crying “double standard,” I think that bit can hold water only if you admit that the Democrats who have attacked Trump with vile labels hold as much guilt as you’re directing at Trump. Otherwise, you’re refusing to see the obvious truth. And my point about Trump shooting back should hold water; he’s responding to attacks, not inventing them.

            Cred, I see you did not comment on my list; you may have missed it. I see lots of posts that have pretty much put lots of space between our conversation. Hopefully, you will have a look at this list, and we can continue where we left off.

            Sharlee01 wrote:
            Cred,  I would think Trump has good reason to push back. In my view, he has not exhibited anything that could reasonably be attributed to being a Nazi, Hitler, a dictator, or a fascist. At the same time, I recognize that much of the Democrats’ agenda, in some ways, reflects the very traits they have labeled Trump with.

            Democratic Members of Congress and Prominent Democrats Using Strong Language

            Kamala Harris (D-CA, Vice President)
            In October 2024, Harris referred to Trump as a “fascist” during a CNN town hall, stating, “I think that to say that he's a fascist is completely accurate.”
            AP News

            Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY)
            Ocasio-Cortez has frequently used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” to describe Trump’s policies and rhetoric.

            Ilhan Omar (D-MN)
            Omar has called Trump a “fascist” and has used the term “concentration camps” to describe migrant detention facilities.

            Elizabeth Warren (D-MA)
            Warren has described Trump’s administration as a “fascist state” and has warned about authoritarian tendencies.
            Inquirer.com

            Bernie Sanders (I-VT, caucuses with Democrats)
            Sanders has referred to Trump as a “fascist” and has expressed concerns about authoritarianism in the U.S.

            Nancy Pelosi (D-CA, Speaker of the House)
            Pelosi has used the term “fascist” to describe Trump’s actions and rhetoric.
            AOL

            Pramila Jayapal (D-WA)
            Jayapal has referred to Trump’s policies as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

            Joe Kennedy III (D-MA, former Congressman)
            Kennedy has described Trump’s actions as showing “fascist tendencies” in media appearances and speeches.

            Tim Walz (D-MN, Governor)
            Walz has publicly used words like “authoritarian” or “fascist” in describing certain policies and actions by the Trump administration and allies.

            Steve Cohen (D-TN) Cohen compared Republican rhetoric to Nazi propaganda, stating, “They say it's a government takeover of health care, a big lie just like Goebbels.”
            Wikipedia

            Ted Lieu (D-CA)
            Lieu has referred to Trump as a “fascist” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

            Adam Schiff (D-CA)
            Schiff has used terms like “authoritarian” and “fascist” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

            Jerry Nadler (D-NY)
            Nadler has referred to Trump’s actions as “fascist” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

            Maxine Waters (D-CA)
            Waters has used terms like “fascist” and “dictator” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

            Barbara Lee (D-CA)
            Lee has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

            Rashida Tlaib (D-MI)
            Tlaib has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

            Ayanna Pressley (D-MA)
            Pressley has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

            Ilhan Omar (D-MN)
            Omar has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

            Joaquin Castro (D-TX)
            Castro has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

            Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY)
            Jeffries has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

            Nancy Pelosi (D-CA, Speaker of the House)
            Pelosi has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

            Chuck Schumer (D-NY, Senate Majority Leader)
            Schumer has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

            Dick Durbin (D-IL, Senate Majority Whip)
            Durbin has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

            Patty Murray (D-WA, Senate Assistant Majority Leader)
            Murray has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

            Ron Wyden (D-OR, Senator)
            Wyden has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

            Jeff Merkley (D-OR, Senator)
            Merkley has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

            Sherrod Brown (D-OH, Senator)
            Brown has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

            Tammy Baldwin (D-WI, Senator)
            Baldwin has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

            Jon Tester (D-MT, Senator)
            Tester has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

            Michael Bennet (D-CO, Senator)
            Bennet has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

            Cory Booker (D-NJ, Senator)
            Booker has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

            Kirsten Gillibrand (D-NY, Senator)
            Gillibrand has used terms like “fascist” and “authoritarian” in describing Trump’s actions and rhetoric.

            Amy Klobuchar (D-MN, Senator)
            Klobuchar has referred to Trump’s actions as “authoritarian” and has criticized his administration’s approach to governance.

            **Elizabeth Warren (D-MA,
            Senator Elizabeth Warren has frequently used terms like "fascist" and "authoritarian" to describe actions and policies of former President Donald Trump. Here are some notable instances:

            June 12, 2025 – Senate Floor Speech: Warren condemned the violent treatment of Senator Alex Padilla by federal agents, stating, "Every day Donald Trump is making this nation look more and more like a fascist state."
            Elizabeth Warren

            October 28, 2024 – Boston.com Interview: Warren referred to Trump as a "fascist," criticizing his policies and actions.
            Boston.com

            March 5, 2025 – Yahoo News: In response to a shooting at an ICE facility, Warren labeled the Trump administration as "authoritarians" and "fascists."
            Yahoo

            August 25, 2025 – Latin Times: Warren described Trump's attempt to remove Federal Reserve Governor Lisa Cook as an "authoritarian power grab."
            Latin Times

            July 23, 2025 – Variety Op-Ed: Warren criticized the cancellation of The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, suggesting it was part of a pattern of Trump exploiting presidential power for personal gain.

            Representative Tim Walz (Democratic official — cited in national coverage) — in some coverage cited language that the country was being “stolen by fascists and Nazis.” (Reported disputes and calls for apology; note: Walz is a Democrat in statewide office and his remarks were widely reported).
            JNS.org

            1. Willowarbor profile image60
              Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Oooooooooh we see....dear leader has a "reason" to call others fascist, Marxist or communist.... While "the right" says that others who used the words are inviting violence....LOL
              GOT IT...MAKES PERFECT SENSE...IN MAGAWORLD

              He gets a pass on ALL the incendiary shit that can fall out of his mouth...this is ludicrous . It's hypocrisy and a double standard and is certainly not a credible argument.

            2. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              I did read the list, thank you

              Just as Joe Biden and Barack Obama suffered a barrage of attacks from Republicans. Trump loses the moral high ground if he as President engages in the same attacks he accused his opponents of.

              By any objective standard Trump has taken a far more authoritarian tack to politics than anyone else previously. I don’t have to be a celebrity to have much of the same concerns that the Democrats expressed in their comments. The man and his methods can explain why everything he does is controversial even for those in his own party.

              I don’t see any difference between Trump’s name calling and that of the Democrats. Trump even attacks people within his own administration, that fellow in charge of the Federal Reserve bank for example. He threatens Roseanne Barr with revoking her citizenship because he does not like her comments, that of an actress for heavens sake. From where does that power derive? I don’t see just “one side” guilty, the right wing is a big player in all of this. It does not bother you now because, unfortunately, the Right wing is in power.

              All the attacks by Republicans against Obama very citizenship is going low. And you know what, I haven’t forgotten

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                I understand your concerns, but I think it’s important to look at context and consistency. First, comparing Trump to past presidents like Obama or Biden isn’t always apples-to-apples. Criticism of a president is inevitable, and both parties engage in rhetoric, but the difference is in evidence and intent.

                Trump has faced constant attacks from the media and political opponents, and calling out hypocrisy doesn’t automatically make him authoritarian. Many of the claims about “threatening citizenship” or other actions have been widely misreported or exaggerated. For example, Trump does not have the unilateral power to revoke someone’s citizenship; it’s not a legal possibility.

                Regarding name-calling, yes, Trump is outspoken and sometimes harsh, but so have many politicians from both sides. The key is distinguishing between words and actual abuse of power. Criticizing policies, decisions, or statements, even harshly, is part of political debate, but claiming authoritarianism requires evidence of systematically dismantling democratic checks and rights, which hasn’t occurred.

                It’s not about which party is in power; it’s about principles. Holding leaders accountable should be consistent across the board, but it’s also reasonable to defend someone from unfair attacks, especially when media narratives often amplify the worst framing.

                1. Willowarbor profile image60
                  Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  "Trump does not have the unilateral power to revoke someone’s citizenship; it’s not a legal possibility."

                  And what, he is too stupid to understand that???  The excuses for this man are endless.

              2. Readmikenow profile image80
                Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Cred,

                Just and FYI, if President Donald Trump actually was a fascist or a dictator as you claim, you would not be permitted to come onto a public forum and call him a fascist or a dictator without facing serious consequences.

                I know about the former USSR.  They did not mess around.  If you said something bad about any soviet leader while in a restaurant and in another language, to a person sitting across from you, you could get arrested and thrown in jail.

                NONE of you on the left who make this claim have any idea what actual fascism looks like.

                It is just an emotionally charged word people on the left use because they can't articulate their grievance any better.  It's easy to use the word fascism, more difficult to explain it and have it make sense.

                1. Willowarbor profile image60
                  Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  "It is just an emotionally charged word people on the left use because they can't articulate their grievance any better."

                  Same goes for this fool??
                  https://x.com/harryjsisson/status/1972048866372735244

                  1. Readmikenow profile image80
                    Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    "if President Donald Trump actually was a fascist or a dictator as you claim, you would not be permitted to come onto a public forum and call him a fascist or a dictator without facing serious consequences."

                    "emotionally charged word people on the left use because they can't articulate their grievance any better"

                    Thank you for proving my point with your response.

                2. Credence2 profile image81
                  Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Mike,

                  Trump simply has not got to that point yet, but he is well on the way with his leg well up on it. The stuff that he is already talking about, criminalizing the Left, is in itself, unorthodox and is just the snowball on top of the hill.

                  Fascism is real and has a definition and it is clearly contrary to democratic norms and traditions. I know enough to see trends and where they are leading, and I have been around long enough and did not fall from a turnip truck, to not recognize the patterns. So, it is articulate enough, you can be sure.

                  1. Readmikenow profile image80
                    Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    "The stuff that he is already talking about, criminalizing the Left, is in itself, unorthodox and is just the snowball on top of the hill."

                    Do we want to get into all the things biden did to the right?  There was the attack on parents at school board meetings, the use of armed troops against pro-life families, and much more.

                    There was also obama.

                    You on the left has such poor memories.

                    Need we forget the IRS scandal?

                    A lesson on abuse of power by Obama and his Senate allies

                    https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house … te-allies/

                    I could go on and on and on.


                    President Donald Trump is quite kind to the left considering what they did to the right when in power.

                    What the democrats did during covid, THAT was fascist and a dictatorship.

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                      Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                      Mike, you’re exactly right, this idea that Trump talking tough about accountability is somehow “fascism” is absurd when we look at what Democrats actually did while in power. Biden’s DOJ went after parents who spoke up at school board meetings, and we all remember the IRS scandal under Obama targeting conservative groups. Those were clear examples of federal overreach and abuse of power.

                      During COVID, Biden and his allies used the full weight of the White House in ways that were heavy-handed and unprecedented. He issued an executive order mandating that all federal workers and federal contractors be vaccinated or face termination. OSHA attempted to enforce a similar mandate on private companies with 100 or more employees, though the Supreme Court later blocked that private employer mandate as overreach. Healthcare workers at Medicare- and Medicaid-funded facilities were required to be vaccinated, and that mandate was upheld.

                      In addition, the administration actively pressured social media platforms, including Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and Google, to remove or label content the government deemed “misinformation” about COVID. Emails, internal communications, and public statements show that officials urged these companies to restrict posts, shadow-ban accounts, and promote government-approved messaging. This was done across multiple platforms, affecting doctors, scientists, journalists, and everyday users who raised legitimate questions about COVID policies or vaccines.

                    2. Credence2 profile image81
                      Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                      A lesson on abuse of power by Obama and his Senate allies

                      https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house … te-allies/

                      Well said, I cannot dispute this example, in this instance and only in this instance,  I rest my case.

                      But, Trump is hardly any more magnanimous.

                      What attack on parents school board meetings and armed troops against pro life families, elaborate please?

                  2. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Cred,  I think your conclusion is jumping way ahead of reality. Talking about investigating or holding the Left accountable for certain actions is not automatically “criminalizing” an entire political ideology. That’s a major leap. If Trump were truly on the verge of establishing fascism, as you suggest, wouldn’t we already see clear moves toward dismantling democratic institutions rather than policy proposals or campaign rhetoric?

                    Also, even if we accepted your fears at face value, do you really believe he could accomplish something of that scale in just 3 years and a few months? That’s not even remotely logical when you consider the legal, institutional, and political barriers in this country. It sounds more like speculation fueled by worst-case scenarios than an objective assessment of what’s actually happening.

                    1. Willowarbor profile image60
                      Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                      https://hubstatic.com/17648200_f1024.jpg

                      LMAO OH NO NOT FASCIST AT ALL

                    2. Credence2 profile image81
                      Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                      Well, I guess that it is ok that you see it that way. The Trump administration has focused exclusively on the Left as the threat while ignoring Rightwing generated violence, that is not to hard to see from many of his statements and rhetoric.

                      The Trump administration has operated on the guardrails in regards to due process principles, he is pushing limits in all areas. Yes, it borders on limits of legality as he seems to like to play along the margins and accepted limits.

                      I don’t like him nor trust him as a man that does not respect any limits. I see the clear moves toward dismantling democratic institutions that I will go into upon request.

                      Tyrants never do things for tyrannical purpose quickly. America, unlike other countries where tyrants have taken over, has a long democratic tradition. But,  It is done in increments, such as gradually turning up the flame on a pot of water.  He will prove how the law is an impediment to him in how he handles the real threat of losing congress next year. He will have to strike and show his true colors to prevent the risk of losing political viability if Congress flips to the Democrats. I am going to be watching for that.

                      Barriers have been and can be broken under the right conditions.

                      As far as I am concerned, Trump represents the “worse case” synario.

    27. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 2 months ago

      Michigan

      Breaking ----Grand Blanc Township Police Chief William Renye told reporters at a press conference that the suspect is a 40-year-old male from Burton.

      "He drove his vehicle through the front doors of the church," Renye said. "He then exited his vehicle, firing several rounds at individuals within the church. Ten gunshot victims have been transported to local hospitals at this time, including one who has been deceased."

      Renye said two responding officers met the suspect and engaged in gunfire, killing the suspect, who was armed with what appeared to be an assault rifle. Police said that a motive was still under investigation and did not immediately release the suspect's identity to the public.

      Renye said there may be more victims as authorities begin to search the burned structure following the large fire.

      "We do believe that there was people up there that were near that fire and they were unable to get out of the church," the police chief said. "So we do believe that we will find additional victims once we're able to search."

      President Donald Trump posted on his Truth Social platform that he has been briefed on the "horrendous" shooting that appeared to target Christians.

      "The FBI was immediately on scene, and will be leading the Federal Investigation, and providing full support to State and Local Officials," Trump wrote. "The suspect is dead, but there is still a lot to learn. This appears to be yet another targeted attack on Christians in the United States of America. The Trump Administration will keep the Public posted, as we always do. In the meantime, PRAY for the victims, and their families. THIS EPIDEMIC OF VIOLENCE IN OUR COUNTRY MUST END, IMMEDIATELY!"

      Vice President JD Vance also reacted to the shooting, asking for prayers for the victims and first responders.

      "Just an awful situation in Michigan," Vance posted on X. "FBI is on the scene and the entire administration is monitoring things."

      U.S. Attorney General Pam Bondi said she was receiving briefings about the "horrific shooting" and fire at the church.
      Fox news
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      1. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        So what is he doing to end the epidemic of violence?  Anything other than running his big ugly mouth?

      2. peoplepower73 profile image86
        peoplepower73posted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Dead men don't talk, so it will be hard to determine what the motive was. I'm sure that Trump and his minions including you will blame it on "The Radical Left." without any evidence,

        Getting back to fascism, here is what it really is about and how well the description fits Trump.
        ---
        What Is Fascism?
        Historically, fascism is defined by several key elements:

        - **Authoritarianism**: Centralized power with limited checks and balances. Check Trump

        - **Ultranationalism**: Emphasis on national identity, often tied to exclusionary rhetoric. Check Trump

        - **Cult of Personality**: Leader portrayed as infallible and indispensable. Check Trump


        - **Suppression of Opposition**: Use of state power or rhetoric to silence dissent. Check Trump


        - **Militarism and Law-and-Order Politics**: Preference for force over negotiation. Check Trump


        - **Scapegoating Minorities**: Blaming societal problems on marginalized groups. Check Trump

        Arguments Made by Critics
        Some scholars and political figures argue Trump exhibits fascist tendencies based on:

        - **January 6 Capitol Attack**: His rhetoric before and after the event is cited as incitement and support for political violence.

        - **Attacks on Institutions**: Repeated undermining of the judiciary, intelligence agencies, and the press.

        - **Dehumanizing Language**: Use of terms like “vermin” or “infestation” to describe immigrants or political opponents.

        - **Cult of Personality**: Loyalty to Trump often supersedes party or policy, with rallies and media echoing personal devotion.

        - **Use of Federal Power**: Deploying federal agents to cities, threatening martial law, and pushing for military involvement in domestic unrest.

        Gen. John Kelly, Trump’s former chief of staff, described him as fitting the definition of a fascist: “a far-right authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology… characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, and forcible suppression of opposition”.

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      3. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months ago

        Let's stop the Pearl clutching my God...

        While Stephen ''Baby Goebbels" Miller claims that Democrats calling him a fascist constitutes incitement, there are hundreds of examples of Miller publicly calling Democrats fascists....below is just one... Not to mention all the times Trump has called people fascist, Marxist or communist... He names all three because he doesn't know the difference between any of them...

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      4. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months ago

        Curious, does he represent "the right"? 

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      5. Readmikenow profile image80
        Readmikenowposted 2 months ago

        Interesting study from the Center for strategic and international studies.

        It shows how violence from the left set a new 30 year high in 2025.

        It is worth reading.

        Here is the introduction.  I've provided a link to the study at the bottom.

        "In recent years, the United States has seen an increase in the number of left-wing terrorism attacks and plots, although such violence has risen from very low levels and remains much lower than historical levels of violence carried out by right-wing and jihadist attackers.

        So far, 2025 marks the first time in more than 30 years that left-wing terrorist attacks outnumber those from the violent far right. Despite its decline this year, right-wing terrorism could easily return to previous high levels. It is important to resource counterterrorism efforts against both right- and left-wing terrorism and work with communities to gain their support against extremists. Leaders across the political spectrum must condemn violent extremism of all kinds, denying it legitimacy and reducing its appeal."

        https://csis-website-prod.s3.amazonaws. … LMPl27qE5d

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          That’s a very interesting study, and it confirms what many of us have been saying. For years, the narrative has focused almost exclusively on the “far right,” while violence from the left was downplayed or ignored. Now we have clear data showing that 2025 set a new 30-year high for left-wing terrorism and attacks. That should be alarming to everyone, regardless of politics. We can’t just pick and choose which violence to condemn, it all undermines our country. I need nothing more than my eyes and ears to see who and why we are seeing the violence in the country. It is being stoked by Democrats from Congress, media, and social media trolls.

      6. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 2 months ago

        Just an observation, it is interesting to note that the assault at the LDS church in Michigan has an interesting rightwinger trace marker. The pickup truck was found and identified with two large American flags in the cargo hold.

        Living in a red state like Florida, there is only one group of rather crude people that display the American flag in such a garish fashion and they are not liberal types.

        I wonder how the Right is going to conceal this? Ill bet a month wages that a righty is responsible for this attacking Mormons as they are not really a component of the Christian Right.

        Assault rifle against innocent people, only right wingers kill in this cowardly fashion.

        But, if my hunch does not pan out, I will be the first to admit it.

      7. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months ago

        The LDS shooter....just tell me he represents ALL OF THE "RIGHT"

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      8. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months ago

        The scary part isn't that Trump lies.. it's that his followers shapeshift their entire moral code to fit each one. They'll call something wrong until Trump does it and then suddenly they're okay with it....

      9. Readmikenow profile image80
        Readmikenowposted 2 months ago

        The scariest part of today's political climate in the United States is the number of people suffering severely from Trump Derangement Syndrome on the high spectrum.  These are individuals who have left the realm of objective thought and reason.

        They descend into an alternative paranoid universe where their delusions have taken over their ability to be rational thinking beings.

        It's a shame to see but it is everywhere.

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Delusions taken over? LOL tell me more...he posted an AI clip that was a tick tok joke.... NOT UNDERSTANDING THE DIFFERENCE

          https://x.com/Colonel_Myway/status/1972344775736267099

        2. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Absolutely, I agree. It’s astonishing how many people have completely lost touch with reason when it comes to Trump. Their obsession turns every statement or action into something sinister, stripping away any sense of objectivity. You see it everywhere, on social media, in the press, even in conversations among friends. It’s as if rational thought has been replaced by a lens of pure paranoia, and it really is one of the most alarming aspects of today’s political climate.

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            What's more shocking is how a group of people continually find ways excuse his abhorrent behavior.

          2. peoplepower73 profile image86
            peoplepower73posted 2 months agoin reply to this

            You are concerned about TDS in the left. Well, I'm concerned about TDS on the right, TDS (Trump Denial Syndrome).

            Frank Luntz was a Public Relation guy and pollster for the GOP.  He developed a play book that was titled Say This Not That. An example was "Say death Tax" instead of "estate tax.",“climate change” instead of “global warming,”

            I have done the same thing for Trumpers based on how you and others reframe, generalize and rationalize Trump into something good when he is criticized for his actions and behavior.

            Here it is.
            ---
            Trump Rationalizer’s Messaging Guide: “Say This, Not That”

            | **Criticism**                          | **Say This Instead**                                      | **Framing Logic**                                                                 |
            |---------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
            | He lies constantly                    | “He tells it like it is”                                   | Truth is redefined as emotional resonance, not factual accuracy                   |
            | He’s impulsive and erratic            | “He’s a disruptor”                                       
            | Chaos becomes innovation                                                          |

            | He insults people                     | “He’s not politically correct”                             | Rudeness reframed as bravery                                                      |

            | He’s authoritarian                    | “He’s strong on law and order”                             | Power consolidation becomes protection                                            |

            | He’s corrupt                          | “He’s a successful businessman”                            | Conflicts of interest become credentials                                          |

            | He incited violence                   | “He energized the base”                                    | Dangerous rhetoric becomes enthusiasm                                             |

            | He’s divisive                         | “He’s exposing the truth”                                  | Polarization becomes clarity                                                      |

            | He ignores norms                      | “He’s not beholden to the swamp”                           | Institutional disregard becomes independence                                      |

            | He’s vindictive                       | “He fights back”                                           | Retaliation becomes strength                                                      |

            | He’s unqualified                      | “He’s an outsider”                                         | Inexperience becomes authenticity                                                 |

            | He’s narcissistic                     | “He’s confident”                                           | Self-obsession becomes leadership                                                 |

            | He’s racist                           | “He’s defending American values”                           | Xenophobia becomes patriotism                                                     |

            | He’s sexist                           | “He’s just old-school”                                     | Misogyny becomes tradition                                                        |

            | He’s incoherent                       | “He’s speaking the language of the people”                 | Rambling becomes relatability                                                     |
            | He’s obsessed with loyalty            | “He values loyalty”                                        | Cultish behavior becomes virtue                                                   |

            | He undermines democracy               | “He’s protecting election integrity”                       | Subversion becomes vigilance                                                      |

            | He spreads conspiracy theories        | “He’s asking the tough questions”                         
            | Disinformation becomes curiosity                                                  |

            | He’s thin-skinned                     | “He’s passionate”                                          | Fragility becomes conviction                                                      |

            | He’s reckless with classified info    | “He’s transparent”                                         | Security breaches become openness                                                 |

            | He’s a grifter                        | “He’s a capitalist”                                        | Exploitation becomes enterprise                                                   |

            ---This kind of rhetorical inversion is strategic—it’s not just denial, it’s rebranding. It’s the political equivalent of turning lead into gold, or at least into something shiny enough to distract.

            Here’s a satirical but strategically accurate **Trump Rationalizer’s Messaging Playbook**—a vocabulary guide for turning any critique into a badge of honor.

            ---

            Say This, Not That” — MAGA Messaging Reframe Guide

            | **Criticism**                          | **Say This Instead**                                      | **Strategic Reframe**                                                                 |
            |---------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
            | He lies constantly                    | “He’s a master of persuasion”                              | Truth becomes emotional resonance                                                     |

            | He’s impulsive and erratic            | “He’s unpredictable—just like a genius”                    | Chaos becomes brilliance                                                              |
            | He insults people                     | “He’s brutally honest”                                     | Cruelty becomes authenticity                                                          |

            | He’s authoritarian                    | “He’s decisive and unafraid to lead”                       | Power grabs become leadership                                                         |

            | He’s corrupt                          | “He’s a dealmaker who knows the system”                    | Self-dealing becomes savvy negotiation                                                |

            | He incited violence                   | “He inspires passion”                                      | Incitement becomes enthusiasm                                                         |

            | He’s divisive                         | “He’s exposing uncomfortable truths”                       | Polarization becomes clarity                                                          |

            | He ignores norms                      | “He’s not beholden to the establishment”                   | Norm-breaking becomes independence                                                    |
            | He’s vindictive                       | “He doesn’t back down”                                     
            | Retaliation becomes strength                                                          |

            | He’s unqualified                      | “He’s an outsider who gets results”                        | Inexperience becomes authenticity                                                     |

            | He’s narcissistic                     | “He’s confident and self-assured”                         
            | Ego becomes charisma                                                                  |

            | He’s racist                           | “He’s defending American values”                           
            | Xenophobia becomes patriotism                                                         |

            | He’s sexist                           | “He’s just old-fashioned”                                 

            | Misogyny becomes tradition                                                            |

            | He’s incoherent                       | “He speaks the language of the people”                     | Rambling becomes relatability                                                         |

            | He’s obsessed with loyalty            | “He values loyalty and rewards it”                         
            | Cultish behavior becomes virtue                                                       |

            | He undermines democracy               | “He’s protecting election integrity”                       
            | Subversion becomes vigilance                                                          |

            | He spreads conspiracy theories        | “He’s asking the questions no one else will”               | Disinformation becomes curiosity                                                      |
            | He’s thin-skinned                     | “He’s passionate and cares deeply”                         | Fragility becomes conviction                                                          |

            | He’s reckless with classified info    | “He’s transparent and not afraid to share”                 | Security breaches become openness                                                     |
            | He’s a grifter                        | “He’s a capitalist who knows how to win”                   | Exploitation becomes enterprise                                                       |

            ---
            This rhetorical inversion is not just spin—it’s a full-spectrum reframing strategy. And it’s not hypothetical: you can trace these patterns directly in the [USA Today breakdown of Trump’s reframing of the George Floyd protests](https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 364289007/), or in [The Hill’s analysis of his messaging style](https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/54 … ion-style/).

            Even his economic policies like tariffs get reframed as patriotic sacrifice, as shown in [DemLabs’ messaging guide](https://thedemlabs.org/2025/04/09/descr … deo-guide/).

            1. Readmikenow profile image80
              Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              "It’s astonishing how many people have completely lost touch with reason when it comes to Trump. Their obsession turns every statement or action into something sinister, stripping away any sense of objectivity."

              1. peoplepower73 profile image86
                peoplepower73posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                What I posted is not sinister, it is fact.  You can't deny it because it is what you and other Trumpers do, Do you deny reframing Trump's actions and behaviors? If you do then you are lying, because you and other Trumpers use it all the time as excuses for his actions and behaviors.

                it is as objective as you can get. It is you and other Trumpers who have lost touch with reason. All you have left are insults. Just calling my post sinister is even reframing it into something evil. See how that works?

              2. Ken Burgess profile image73
                Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Its not merely Trump...

                A vast majority of these Leftists want the destruction of America... the shredding of the Constitution... they want the country in chaos.

                The are the opposite of Patriots... many are traitors to the Nation and it is time we started calling them out for it.

                The Biden Administration did its best to rid the government, including the military, of Patriots that would do their duty... filling offices and agencies with people who would "resist"... one of the reasons they advocated for DEI... was so they could put unqualified Ideologists into places of power.

                America is under attack... but it is not fascism/Trump that is the root of the evil attacking it... it is the Leftist movement, the Progressives, the Anarchists and Globalists all coming together today under the Democrat's Umbrella.

                This is why Patriots were discharged with haste out of the military as they filled the ranks with transgenders and communists... here is a good example:

                https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1972451577253523814

                Sorry, the original by the poster has been deleted... the amount of blowback he was getting was immense... I'm not one to typically get involved in going after posters on X... but since he was claiming to be a Captain, and Infantryman at that, I went out of my way to send it to anyone and everyone I know of who could sue or UCMJ him.

                Some other examples of how badly the Biden Administration gutted the military of people who are Patriotic and Honorable and inserted Ideologists, Communists, and Transgenders:

                https://x.com/JordanLkarr/status/1971180777443557614

                https://x.com/Yorktown355/status/1964652951537959274

                https://x.com/OliLondonTV/status/1653992693922447362

                1. peoplepower73 profile image86
                  peoplepower73posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  You are full of more BS than a Christmas Turkey, Trump appointed a Fox News Host as the head of the War Department. It used to be called the Department of Defense. He is in a pretend position and has no qualifications for the job. He has high ranking command officers reporting to him They have more experience in their little finger than he has in his whole pretend being.

                  1. Willowarbor profile image60
                    Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    He's an alcoholic on top of it

                2. Readmikenow profile image80
                  Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  "I went out of my way to send it to anyone and everyone I know of who could sue or UCMJ him."

                  He said he was a 13 year veteran, so, he's not active duty.

                  If I was still in the Army, and one of my troops posted such a thing, I'd have him up on Article 15 charges so fast his head would spin.  That is insubordination for just starters.

                  This man needs to be dishonorably discharged from the US Army and maybe spend some time in the stockade.

                  I see this and realize the left in the military and realize this really disgusts me at the highest levels.

                  1. Ken Burgess profile image73
                    Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Yeah... it was unclear... he said he was a Captain, but some who were digging said he was out... some said he was NG... his MSO may still have him recallable... he may actually be in more trouble, having claimed to be a Captain currently if he is not, opening up charges that could potentially be even more severe... and he was running for Congress...

                    Either way... I hope the punishment exceeds the crime... just for associating himself with the Army... and Infantry to boot.

                    1. Readmikenow profile image80
                      Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                      IF he was actually in Europe making war plans, as he claimed, he had to have gone to the war college, which means, he has to be a captain or above.

                      Someone needs to contact his superior.  I can't imagine a high-ranking officer tolerating such behavior.

                      1. Ken Burgess profile image73
                        Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                        The military has been filled with yes-men and ideologists at the top...

                        Don't be fooled... it has been going bad for a long time... starting back when I was in... and that only increased dramatically through the Obama years, during the Trump years 1st term they worked against him and then during the Biden years they cleaned house of good, honorable, patriotic officers and senior NCOs and promoted through the ranks every transgender and ideologue they could find... and they are still there...

                        The Trump Administration has done little to clean out the cancer.

                3. Sharlee01 profile image84
                  Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  I completely agree with you. It’s not just about Trump; what we’re seeing is a coordinated effort by the Left to fundamentally change America, and it’s deeply troubling. We saw how the Biden Administration filled key positions with people more focused on ideology than competence, and it really showed how priorities have shifted away from defending our Constitution and national security. Programs like DEI, while sold as promoting fairness, often serve as a way to push out qualified Patriots and bring in unqualified ideologues. The more people recognize this, the more we need to call it out and stay vigilant about protecting our institutions before they are further undermined.

                  1. Willowarbor profile image60
                    Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    "We saw how the Biden Administration filled key positions with people more focused on ideology than competence,"

                    Lol.  Didn't you just make an argument in a different post about Trump being able to fill key positions with the people he wants... There's just no consistency here.

                  2. Ken Burgess profile image73
                    Ken Burgessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Exactly... that idiot (former Captain in the Army... who torched his future with that video of openly treasonous rhetoric) made things sink in.

                    Credence is right.  We are at war... Kirk's tragic death shows that this extremism can no longer be tolerated or reasoned with... it must be extinguished... it must be ripped out at the roots like a weed, or it will just grow back stronger than before until it succeeds at destroying America.

                    Iryna Zarutska is another tragic death that shows us what standing on the sidelines and doing nothing but parsing words about it will get us... as these Soros DAs and AGs and these unqualified Progressive judges refuse to prosecute or jail the criminals preying on the weak and innocent.

                    It is going to take a lot more than going to the voting booth to fix this... States like California and New York are already lost... they are in effect foreign lands that are enemies of America... they want Open Borders they want an Islamic Socialist to run NY... to run the country... they want a world run by victim - oppressor titling and equity over equality... they value the rights of illegal migrants that have committed violent crimes over the officers of the law trying to bring them to justice.

                    Those that want to believe the lies and manipulations of MSNBC and CNN... why even try to reason with them and for how long... until we become like Nigeria where between 50,000 to 100,000 Christians have been slaughtered in the last 4 years?

                    I don't think we need to wait that long... I think its time to restore Law and Order and hold any and all accountable who try and stop it.

                    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                      Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                      I agree — that captain’s video and Kirk’s tragic death make it painfully clear that political extremism is real and cannot be papered over or reasoned away; it must be rooted out and defeated through law, not rhetoric. Iryna Zarutska’s death shows what happens when officials stand on the sidelines and parse words instead of acting, and when prosecutors and judges refuse to hold violent criminals accountable people suffer. This won’t be fixed by a single election; it will take tougher enforcement of the law, real border security, accountability for prosecutors and judges who fail their duties, and pressure on platforms and leaders who amplify violent rhetoric, all pursued within the rule of law so we protect citizens and preserve our institutions rather than letting chaos take hold.

              3. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Mike,   “I completely agree. It’s shocking how many people allow their biases to cloud their judgment. Constant media echo chambers and social media algorithms feed only what reinforces their existing beliefs, making it easy to see even neutral or positive actions as sinister. On top of that, the left often projects their own tactics and intentions onto others, blaming Trump for things they themselves are guilty of. Over time, this creates a culture where critical thinking is replaced by reflexive outrage, and objectivity becomes impossible. The result is a society increasingly divided, where people react emotionally rather than rationally, and the truth gets buried under layers of assumption and projection.

                I think some people escape this mindset because they make a conscious effort to think for themselves instead of just accepting what they’re told. I try to question narratives and look for evidence from multiple sources, rather than taking things at face value. I’m aware of my own biases and try to challenge them, and I focus on facts and logical reasoning instead of reacting emotionally to every piece of outrage-driven content.

      10. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months ago

        Yes, he is a FASCIST... AN UNAPOLOGETIC FASCIST...

        Here's a handy checklist

        https://hubstatic.com/17648203.jpg

      11. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months ago

        JACKBOOTS on the ground in Chicago's wealthiest neighborhoods LMFAO

        ONE ACCOUNT HAS THEM COMPLETELY BLOCKING AN ELDERLY WOMAN TRYING TO GET INTO THE CHANEL BOUTIQUE..

        Another... Impeding the door to Alinea... If you're a foodie, you know it's not easy to get a Michelin star reservation... Reporters on the ground documenting the despair in real time

        According to the governor's press conference, troops are harassing citizens who "look like they don't belong". They are asking for "papers"

        Footage of a brown family apparently screaming that they're from a local suburb and were born here being detained, extremely roughly...THE CHARGE?  BEING BROWN WITHOUT "PAPERS"

        TELL ME MORE ABOUT FASCISM OR JUST TELL ME THAT YOU'RE PLEASED...

        https://hubstatic.com/17648391_f1024.jpg

        THIS IS WHAT FASCISM LOOKS LIKE

      12. Readmikenow profile image80
        Readmikenowposted 2 months ago

        This is VERY true.


        https://hubstatic.com/17648400_f1024.jpg

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Prove it

        2. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          This really sums it up in so few words.

          I’ve noticed the same thing Charlie Kirk points out: the Left seems to have a deep resistance to anyone having ideas that challenge their own.

          Psychologically, I think it comes down to a mix of cognitive bias and identity protection. When people tie their sense of self so closely to a set of political ideology, any opposing idea feels like a personal attack. Instead of engaging in debate or considering other perspectives, they respond with hostility or attempt to silence the other side. In my view, certain types of people are more likely to get caught up in this mindset: those who seek approval from their peer group or have a strong need to fit into a collective identity. It’s almost like a defense mechanism, protecting their worldview at all costs. I see it in social media arguments, workplace debates, and even universities: the focus isn’t on exchanging ideas, it’s on controlling the narrative so they never feel threatened. Recognizing this helps me stay calm and think critically rather than getting caught up in their emotional and sometimes angry reactions.

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Lol ..this is the idiocy maga follows and makes excuses for....yep, trump absolutely thinks his followers are imbeciles...

            https://x.com/SkylineReport/status/1972845789899796972

            https://hubstatic.com/17648458_f1024.jpg

            This man is DEEPLY UNWELL... I think magas have completely lost the ability to make any serious arguments in favor of him or anything he does...but goes ahead folks, explain away this shit too

      13. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 2 months ago

        https://hubstatic.com/17648539_f1024.jpg

        No,  actually this is who you really are... Just own it already

      14. Credence2 profile image81
        Credence2posted 2 months ago

        This is why rightwingers continue to make my stomach turn.

        https://x.com/alluring_nyc/status/19659 … k-women%2F

        You people are so anxious to make some sort of icon out this guy, you are just itching to see his likeness on Mt. Rushmore. Why would I embrace the memory of such a man?

        Insulting the intelligence of black womanhood is beyond the pale for me. What do I tell my sisters, nieces or my mom(dear departed, rest her soul) daughters, etc. Do I tell them that this 31 year old college dropout wunderkinder thinks that they are inherently intellectually inferior?
        Not to speak ill of the dead, but I know what I would tell Charlie if his hearing could reach beyond the grave.

        There is no room equivocation or obfuscation regarding context of the video, it is quite clear what he said and meant, so don’t go there.

        Sorry Charlie is not even tuna, but more red herring, I am afraid.

        But conservatives always say there is a bigger picture, is there? I don’t abide intolerance and rank bigotry. And while you all want to worship the ground he walked upon, I think that he stinked. The fact that so many of you can’t wait to get him into plaster around the country fast enough, reveals an ominous reality about my fellow citizens.

        This sort of divide will not be breached, as conservatives insist on opening old wounds, yet talk about progress that is shown here to have the consistency of gossamer. So, if it is not about race, Charlie made it clear that it is.

        1. Readmikenow profile image80
          Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          All affirmative action does is say to the world this person didn't have the intellectual ability to compete with other people, so, rather than accept them on their abilities we will give them a position based solely on their race.

          Sounds a bit racist, doesn't it?

          Would any of these women have accomplished anything in their lives if they had to compete in a merit based system?

          Why do certain races have to compete based on merit but others don't?

          How many very qualified people are not give a slot at a university because of the color of their skin?  Is it fair that less qualified individuals be accepted over them?

          I think not. 

          Many Asians don't get into top tier schools because of affirmative action.

          It should all be merit based.

          1. Willowarbor profile image60
            Willowarborposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Affirmative action is illegal

          2. Credence2 profile image81
            Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

            "All affirmative action does is say to the world this person didn't have the intellectual ability to compete with other people, so, rather than accept them on their abilities we will give them a position based solely on their race."

            so, Mike are you subscribing to Kirk's claim that black women in prominent positions are inherently "not qualified"? That is what Charlie is saying, you know. That sounds sort of racist to me. Funny how he did not say women in general. All women have been the beneficiaries of "Affirmative Action" programs, why did he specifically mention Black women while leaving other women out?

            Meanwhile, I am so certain that "Whisky Pete" Hegseth was superbly qualified for his job based on merit? So, don't give me all that "merit" bullsh!t to hide the true meaning around the term being used in the Trump universe.

            instead of all the usual tiring bromides, Mike, lets get to what Charlie said, shall we?

            After that, lets get back to your tiring bromides, now.

            Affirmative Action was created as early as 1970 to address structural disadvantages for certain groups that were not allowed to participate fairly for economic gain whether qualified or not. There was no merit based criteria used then. It was called racial prejudice, I am sure that you have heard of it?

            i lived in Hawaii where the Japanese are a prominent part of the population. i am aware of their self-discipline and perseverance and how that cultural trait gave them an advantage in the American system. They are traits that unfortunately, neither my tribe nor yours, for that matter, possesses. You predominate in spite of that because being in the majority, you have always made sure that your tribe got all the benefits first and foremost. 

            A few years ago, I read an article from a Palo Alto paper in South Bay, San Francisco. White students were complaining that Japanese students and Asians were getting all the accolades for exceptional academic performance in the local high schools. White parents thought that the intensity toward academics should be mitigated in favor of sports and extracurricular activities. But, the Asians were being trained from home to kick ass in life rather than kick balls across a field.

            the more that I investigate this topic, the more that I have come to conclusion that the death of any blatant racist has to go unlamented on my part

            1. Readmikenow profile image80
              Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              " that black women in prominent positions are inherently "not qualified""

              Wrong,

              He is saying THOSE black women that he mentioned, that are products of affirmative action, are inherently unqualified.

              Are you saying that minorities shouldn't have to compete to get into a college or get a job?

              They should automatically be GIVEN a slot at a university or a job simply because of the color of their skin?

              Do you believe merit shouldn't matter?

              Qualifications don't matter?

              It's only skin color that matters?

              Is that what you're saying?

              1. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                You are equivocating again, Mike. Again, why not mention white women as beneficiaries of Affirmative Action, so am I to presume that they weren’t any? What about the white women that he did not mention?

                1. GA Anderson profile image86
                  GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Okay, okay, okay, it's not a trap or trick question. And I don't have a canned comeback ... "How would white women benefit from Affirmative action?"

                  GA

                  1. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    Does not have to be a trick question. Women benefit as being considered when men have had the lions share of the economic opportunities, I should say white men.

                    Working in federal contracts, awarding to women owned business as they are identified was always a consideration for preference under certain circumstances for contract awards. That is how they benefitted….

                    1. GA Anderson profile image86
                      GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                      Well, okay. I have an excuse, but you're still right.

                      GA  ;-)

      15. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 6 weeks ago

        A fantastic thread to review for those of you clutching your pearls over Jeffries... Y'all went back to Hillary to find comments you were hurt by....

      16. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 6 weeks ago

        If there is violence on the left.... The right is responsible for inciting it and stoking it.... Posters in this thread have made that crystal clear with their arguments... They will be turned back toward you

      17. Willowarbor profile image60
        Willowarborposted 5 weeks ago

        Tell me more about rhetoric....
        https://hubstatic.com/17668824_f1024.jpg

        AND....

        A pardoned Capitol rioter was arrested last weekend for allegedly threatening to kill House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries.

        Court documents obtained by CBS News said Christopher Moynihan was arrested Sunday after saying in text messages that he planned to "eliminate" Jeffries when the top House Democrat spoke at an event in New York City on Monday

        According to a court filing by prosecutors in the New York state criminal case, Moynihan wrote, "Hakeem Jeffries makes a speech in a few days in NYC I cannot allow this terrorist to live."

        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/pardoned-c … nyc-trump/

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          They can say all of these things about their opponents, but Hillary can’t refer to them using the term “deplorable”, without their having a cow?

      18. Readmikenow profile image80
        Readmikenowposted 4 weeks ago

        Michael Knowles speaks to Congress about the violence of the left and puts things in perspective.

        Michael Knowles Takes On Seth Moulton's Claims About Political Violence After Kirk Killing

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bi9G5pE7gk

      19. Readmikenow profile image80
        Readmikenowposted 4 weeks ago

        We no longer have just left wing violence.  I think it can now be classified as left wing organized domestic terrorism.

        Left-Wing Terrorism Is on the Rise

        For the first time in more than 30 years, attacks by the far left outnumber those by the far right.


        No matter how hard ideologues try to exclusively blame their political foes for acts of political violence, the truth is that violent extremists today emerge from across the political spectrum. We have studied this problem and believe that our data can help illuminate an issue too often defined by partisan finger-pointing. As part of a study to be published this week by the Center for Strategic and International Studies, we compiled and analyzed a data set of 750 attacks and plots in the United States from January 1, 1994, to July 4, 2025. Our research focuses only on incidents of terrorism, which we define as attacks or plots by a nonstate actor attempting to achieve a political end and exert a psychological influence on a broad population. Among other details, the data set includes the types of weapons used, the intended targets, the number of fatalities, and the ideology of the perpetrators.

        https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar … sm/684323/

        The left and especially its leaders needs to do something to put a stop to this behavior.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 4 weeks agoin reply to this

          Mike,   it’s no longer random or isolated; much of what we’re seeing today clearly fits the pattern of coordinated, ideologically driven violence. What’s especially concerning is how organized some of these left-wing groups have become, using the same tactics and online networks once associated with foreign extremist movements.

          What’s rarely discussed is how some of these groups are now funded or encouraged indirectly through activist organizations or political nonprofits that blur the line between “protest” and “insurrection.” That makes accountability difficult, because the public face often appears peaceful or “for justice,” while the underlying coordination tells a very different story.

          It’s definitely time for leaders on the left to condemn and dismantle this extremism within their own ranks, not just through words, but through policy and law enforcement cooperation. What’s your take? Do you think the media’s silence on this trend is intentional, or are they just afraid of being labeled biased for reporting it?

      20. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 2 weeks ago

        In Dallas, an ICE facility was attacked. A gunman opened fire, killing a detainee and seriously wounding others. His ammunition was marked “ANTI-ICE.” That is not vague political violence; that is ideology transformed into bullets.

        In my view, these violent incidents involving ICE are not random. They reflect a dangerous pattern: when radicals feel emboldened by rhetoric from the left, some may act on it. This was evident this past weekend in Chicago, when ICE officers came under gunfire. Thankfully, the alleged shooter has been arrested.

        Nov 10 --- "An illegal immigrant with a criminal history has been arrested following a weekend shooting in which U.S. Border Patrol agents were shot at in Chicago.

        U.S. Border Patrol sector chief Greg Bovino confirmed the arrest.

        "This individual should have never been walking the streets of Chicago," Bovino told "America Reports." Fox News

        Just breaking. I will supply the suspect's name and other information as reported.

        1. Willowarbor profile image60
          Willowarborposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

          What happened to the so-called shooting in Chicago that bovine was a part of just a few days ago?  So odd that it just disappeared... Almost like...
          They're liars. All the body cameras, all the people with cell phones and yet nothing caught except the pigs throwing flash bangs and tear gas

          LOL bovine has a documented history, in court, reprimanded by a judge for what?....lying.

          The man is a liar

          1. Ken Burgess profile image73
            Ken Burgessposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

            Again... whether it is politicians calling for violence (going way back to when CA Rep. Waters was out there screaming for people to attack Trump supporters) or whether it is Gangs (see below) calling for the murder of ICE agents...

            We need to call them for what they are... Criminals... Terrorists... threats to the nation... threats to Law and Order.  And treat them as just that.

            If this is not how it is handled NOW... a couple years down the road it will be far more chaotic and out of control... and that will lead to a Progressive takeover of the government that will lead to all the horrors visited upon other nations in the past where/when radical ideologists take control.

            Latin Kings Issue order targeting federal agents in Chicago: CBP
            https://thehill.com/homenews/5598786-la … icago/amp/

        2. Readmikenow profile image80
          Readmikenowposted 2 weeks ago

          Again, the left are very violent.  They can't debate and discuss because they know their positions make no sense to anyone but them.

          Bloody brawl breaks out as agitators protest TPUSA event at UC Berkeley in California
          Clash erupts ahead of Turning Point USA event featuring Dr. Frank Turek and Rob Schneider


          A bloody fight broke out near the University of California, Berkeley, on Monday afternoon, ahead of a Turning Point USA event on campus.

          The event, which featured Dr. Frank Turek and Rob Schneider, marked the end of the "This Is The Turning Point" tour.

          It took place just two months after TPUSA's founder Charlie Kirk was assassinated at a campus event in Utah on Sept. 10.

          The confrontation erupted at around 4:30 PST. During the brawl, two men were seen fighting each other, one of whom had blood gushing from his face.

          Video taken by Fox News Digital also shows a crowd of agitators gathering around the fight. Many demonstrators wore keffiyehs and carried signs with left-wing messages.

          Local police had difficulty containing the agitators and were seen putting on shield masks and gathering batons.

          It is unknown how many participants were injured.

          The Berkeley Police Department told Fox News Digital that at least two people have been arrested as of 6 p.m. local time.

          "I do not have the specific details of what the arrests were for," the police spokesperson said. "At this point, I can share that one of the parties was arrested for battery."

          https://www.foxnews.com/us/bloody-brawl … california

        3. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 2 weeks ago

          Andrew Kolvet
          @AndrewKolvet
          ·
          10h
          Despite Antifa thugs blocking our campus tour stop with tear gas, fireworks, and glass bottles, we had a PACKED HOUSE in the heart of deep blue UC Berkeley.

          https://x.com/i/trending/1988061965332234604


          Just my view

          Chaos at UC Berkeley: Bloody Brawl Erupts Before TPUSA Event

          This tour marks TPUSA’s first major series of events since Charlie Kirk’s assassination, and it’s drawn thousands of people around the country. What should have been a peaceful gathering of ideas instead turned into another reminder of just how violent the left-wing radicals have become.

          What happened near UC Berkeley on Monday afternoon was hard to watch. Just hours before a Turning Point USA event featuring Dr. Frank Turek and Rob Schneider, a violent clash broke out that left one man bleeding and several others in handcuffs.

          The event, part of the “This Is The Turning Point” tour, carried extra weight because it came only two months after TPUSA’s founder, Charlie Kirk, was assassinated during a campus event in Utah on September 10. That loss still hangs heavy over the movement and those who admired Kirk’s work.

          Around 4:30 p.m. PST, tensions boiled over near the venue. A fight broke out between two men, one of them seen with blood running down his face, while a crowd of agitators gathered around. Many of the protesters wore keffiyehs and carried signs with left-wing messages. Police struggled to contain the crowd, putting on masks and raising batons as the scene grew more chaotic.

          The Berkeley Police Department later confirmed that at least two people were arrested by 6 p.m. local time. A spokesperson said one of them was taken in for battery, but few other details were available. The university itself clarified that the fight didn’t happen on campus property.

          Dr. Frank Turek, who was a close friend and mentor to Kirk, spoke about the event in an interview last week. He said Berkeley was the stop he most wanted to attend. “If I could go to any one event with him, it would be that one,” he said. “I wanted to go to UC Berkeley because it’s so progressive and liberal in their views, and I wanted to provide evidence that Christianity was indeed true.”

          After the event ended, protesters reportedly surrounded the exits, shouting obscenities at attendees as they tried to leave. It was an ugly scene that underscored how divided things have become, especially at universities once known for open dialogue.


          https://hubstatic.com/17688735.jpg

          1. Readmikenow profile image80
            Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

            Shar,

            You have to ask yourself why the left is so afraid of free speech.  I think it is because in an open and honest debate of ideas the lose.  They always lose because their positions on the issues make no sense.  Revealing the truth of their positions scares them more than anything.  This is the reason for the violence.  It is fear of the truth.  They are willing to engage in violence to prevent others from hearing an opposing viewpoint. It is quite intellectually weak but at the same time very scary. 

            Maybe they call others fascists to hide the reality of theme being the ones who are suppressing free speech...just like actual fascists.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

              Mike,  I stopped asking myself why the left seems afraid of free speech. In my view, it’s obvious: their fear is evident in the violent reactions, the anger, and the sheer irrationality displayed when faced with opinions or facts that challenge their narrative. From the media to social media, I have witnessed firsthand the hostility that arises whenever free expression contradicts what they want to believe. This behavior, in my view, has arisen in part because of a culture that increasingly prioritizes emotionally based ideological conformity over open dialogue. Over time, reinforced by social media echo chambers and institutions that reward outrage, many have come to see dissenting voices not as opportunities for debate but as threats to their worldview, leading to overreactions, censorship, and, at times, even unprovoked violence toward those who simply exercise their right to speak freely. 

              In MY view, there is a clear pattern: when they label others as fascists, they are often projecting. This has become undeniable. They use violence, whether from political podiums or even on social chats, to display anger and promote discord. This behavior is a clear practice of fascists. 

              This kind of behavior can only backfire in a nation such as America.


              Watch a few of the videos, note how one in the crowd was screaming, "Hey, White Boy! " The man screaming was a white person... So what does this say?  This turned my stomach... This kind of hate has no place in this country.
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxqjNVd … mp;index=4
              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQfsOWo … mp;index=3

              1. Readmikenow profile image80
                Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                Shar,

                Here is an interesting article on the subject.

                The Growing Threat of Political Violence From the Left

                ...The Network Contagion Research Institute (NCRI), a nonpartisan organization that studies the spread of hate, manipulation, and extremism across digital platforms, has raised these concerns recently. Based at Rutgers University, the group uses machine learning and data analytics to identify emerging threats and ideological patterns online.

                "We're witnessing the alarming rise of what the NCRI calls an 'assassination culture,'" said Max Horder of the NCRI, in an interview with Newsweek. "Violence targeting figures like Donald Trump or Elon Musk has gone beyond normalization—it's being sanctified as resistance by parts of the political left."

                A recent survey conducted by the NCRI found that nearly one-third of respondents expressed some level of justification for acts of lethal political violence, with significantly higher support among those identifying as left-of-center. Fixty-six percent of those respondents said murdering Donald Trump would be at least somewhat justified, while 50 percent said the same about Elon Musk./b]

                "Left-wing extremism is often overlooked, in part because the worst state abuses and non-state violence associated with proponents of communist and socialist ideologies happened several decades ago," said Jakob Guhl, director of policy and research at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue.

                "Some actors on the broader far left continue to carry out or support acts of political violence and terrorism," he added.

                "People talk about radicalization like it's something that happens in dark corners of the internet," said Horder from NCIR. "But it's happening on the streets now too, in broad daylight, sometimes behind banners of justice."


                https://www.newsweek.com/political-viol … ts-2083162

                1. Ken Burgess profile image73
                  Ken Burgessposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                  It's a growing problem that if allowed to continue... will compound quickly into an uncontrollable "resistance".

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                    I agree. It sickens me, and I strongly believe the administration must step in to safeguard Turning Points’ right to free speech. I can see that there is a need to use some force to shut these violent protesters down. There is now a critical need for the government to actively protect organizations that have been invited to speak at public forums. This issue has become very serious, and I hope the federal government will take action to provide protection. What we are witnessing reflects true authoritarianism, driven by a violent left.

                    1. peoplepower73 profile image86
                      peoplepower73posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                      This is from Mike's Newsweek article. He cherry picks the parts of the article that supports his agenda of " the left becoming more violent."  I guess, he doesn't think people are going to read the entire article. Also the article was written right after Trump's LA  troop movement into LA and the surrounding cities.

                      Asymmetry Amplified
                      The trends flagged by researchers—online radicalization, meme culture, and the normalization of violence as a means to justify a political end—are increasingly shaping public discourse well beyond the digital sphere.

                      Peter Turchin, a University of Connecticut professor and leading theorist of structural-demographic cycles, sees the current moment as part of a predictable historical pattern.

                      "In 2010, I predicted a period of political instability beginning in the 2020s," Turchin told Newsweek. "And nearly every warning sign—popular immiseration, elite overproduction, eroding state capacity—has only intensified."

                      While political violence has increased across ideological lines, Turchin said that public perception and media coverage remain uneven.

                      LA riots
                      A protester holds a Mexican flag and mask of Donald Trump while standing in front of vandalized a Waymo car during a protest against immigration raids..

                      "Right-wing violence is emphasized by mainstream media because it's perceived as an existential threat to the ruling regime," he said. "Whereas left-wing violence is often seen as less threatening—sometimes even as a counterweight to the right."

                      According to Turchin, this perception gap is no accident. "Narratives around political violence are shaped not just by the acts themselves, but by the stories that elites—and counter-elites—build around them," he said. Both he and Horder agreed that instances of political violence, wherever they come from, perpetuate a cycle in which each side accuses the other of hypocrisy while excusing the bad actors on their own extremes.

                      Recent events have borne this out. The unrest and riots that have spread across parts of Los Angeles this week—triggered by federal immigration raids—has reignited debate about protest tactics and when and how the federal government should involve itself when its presence is not requested by local officials. Meanwhile, videos of self-driving cars aflame and masked rioters throwing rocks at federal agents ricocheted across social media.


                      "If we didn't do the job, that place would be burning down," Trump said about his decision to activate the Guard. "I feel we had no choice. I don't want to see what's happened so many times in this country."

                      Governor Gavin Newsom and Los Angeles Mayor Karen Bass, California's highest-profile elected officials who are both progressive Democrats, condemned the president for inflaming the simmering unrest, though they were, at first, more muted about calling out some of the acts of violence caught on camera.

                      That appeared to change by Tuesday, the fourth day of the rioting, when Bass issued her most straightforward condemnation of the violence in the streets.

                      1. Readmikenow profile image80
                        Readmikenowposted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                        Guess what?  I don't have a lot of time to cut and paste things onto a forum.

                        Because I am open...unlike those on the left...I provide a link.

                        It is a great way to have further discussions.

                        I read the article and think that the survey by NCRI was the most important aspect of the article.

                        1. peoplepower73 profile image86
                          peoplepower73posted 2 weeks agoin reply to this

                          Of course you do.  That's the difference between liberals and conservatives. Liberals like to do the research and analysis. conservatives just run with whatever they think fits their agenda. That's what MAGA is all about. Like Trump said,  "I can shoot somebody on 5th avenue and nobody would care."  Of course he is referring to his MAGA people.  The rest of us would certainly care.

        4. IslandBites profile image68
          IslandBitesposted 2 weeks ago

          Berkeley and UC Berkeley campus police confirmed four arrests, saying two of which were the Turning Point supporter and the protester seen on video during a violent altercation. They said one of the arrests was for battery.

        5. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 9 days ago

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwrVECzW-KA


          https://hubstatic.com/17697217.jpg


          Alvin Bragg drops case
          Savannah Craven Antao, who was punched in the face in April by a woman while discussing abortion, files new lawsuit against attacker

          A conservative pro-life influencer who went viral after being punched in the face during a street interview in New York City has filed a lawsuit against her alleged attacker.

          Savannah Craven Antao, pro-life activist and host of the YouTube channel "Her Patriot Voice," says she was conducting man on the street interviews for the organization Live Action on April 3 when she was repeatedly struck by Brianna J. Rivers, 30, of the Bronx.

          According to the complaint, filed Nov. 18 in Bronx Supreme Court, Craven Antao went to the emergency room for stitches after the attack, incurring more than $3,000 in medical bills. Her attorneys at the Thomas More Society allege that Rivers has "knowingly, willfully and maliciously continued to mock [Savannah] and her views online in order to further inflict emotional distress."

          The lawsuit also claims Rivers mocked Craven Antao’s religious beliefs and marketed merchandise referencing the assault. One alleged post showed a T-shirt design with the word "BAM!" and an image of a fist striking a face — which the complaint says Rivers and her cousin created to raise money for her legal defense.

          Craven Antao’s attorneys say the influencer has suffered symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder and has received hundreds of death threats since the incident. The suit seeks compensatory and punitive damages for assault, battery and intentional infliction of emotional distress.

          Rivers was initially charged with second-degree assault, but the case was dismissed in July after Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg's office failed to turn over discovery on time. The lawsuit criticizes Bragg’s office for downgrading the charge to a misdemeanor and later allowing it to lapse.

          Craven Antao also slammed Bragg's handling of her case in an interview with Fox News Digital this week.

          "I have to look over my shoulder and worry about if somebody who supports her actions — there are a lot of people out there that do — that they’re going to try to do something else," she said. "Because what the DA Alvin Bragg himself has shown to people, with letting this case be dropped, is that they can go assault somebody and hurt them if they disagree with them and nothing is going to happen."

          In September, Bragg’s office issued a statement acknowledging a filing error and apologizing to Craven Antao.

          "Every victim deserves their day in court, and our office has reached out to apologize to Ms. Craven Antao for the unacceptable error of missing the discovery deadline," a spokesperson said. "We are taking immediate internal steps in light of this case."

          Craven Antao said she decided to file the lawsuit to hold Rivers accountable and send a message.

          "First, I’d really appreciate my over $3,000 in medical bills to be paid off, because I should not be responsible for those," she said. "Second, it’s to send a message — hopefully to show her that she can’t do this again."

          "Honestly, I hope that she eventually finds God," she continued. "That's what I pray for, because it's obvious that she's got a lot of deep trauma rooted, and she takes it out on other people."

          Thomas More Society attorney Christopher Ferrara said Bragg’s handling of the case forced them to take civil action against Rivers.

          "Savannah was violently assaulted for peacefully expressing her pro-life beliefs and then humiliated all over again when the attacker went online to glorify it," he said in a statement. "The D.A.’s office had every opportunity to pursue justice and due to their incompetency or lack of will, failed to prosecute this vicious assault. Their refusal left us with no choice but to file civil action to hold Rivers accountable."

         
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