Number of mass shootings committed by white people in the US overblown

Jump to Last Post 1-4 of 4 discussions (62 posts)
  1. Readmikenow profile image97
    Readmikenowposted 2 months ago

    “Despite common misperceptions that all mass shooters are white, the findings indicate that while a majority are, this proportion is just over half of the perpetrators (53.9 percent),” the study found. “More than one in four shooters is black and nearly one in ten is of Hispanic descent.”

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news … own-report

    1. Randy Godwin profile image91
      Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      You may get to score another for the white shooters, Mike. There are reports of an armed gunman in the USA Today headquarters as we speak. Don't know what ethnicity he is yet though.

    2. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Perhaps, but outside the Malvo affair in Virginia a few years ago, I am hard pressed to recall massacres on the scale that we have been seeing lately as initiated by an African American.

      Outside the affair in Dallas a year or two ago, can you think of any?

      1. aware profile image67
        awareposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        So when African-Americans kill each other one by one day after day in every major city across the United States. It doesn't count as a massacre to you? When 50% of the murders committed in Baltimore last year we're committed with a single gunshot to the Head. That's not a massacre to you? In 1994 in Rwanda in a hundred days a hundred thousand African people were slaughtered in a racist genocide by other African people. . Does that not count to you either? This whole thread is designed to create hatred and Division. And everyone's eating it up. And blaming the white man.

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Crime is crime, but to take the violence to innocents just because they are there is a notch or two lower in my opinion.

          So what, we had Khmer Rouge and the Third Reich, who is innocent? So let's talk about America, ok and yes for these ideological motivated shootings having no apparent provocation except some hate doctrine, if the shoe fits, wear it.....

          1. aware profile image67
            awareposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Let's talk about the

          2. aware profile image67
            awareposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            If we were at war with a Latin American Nation you would have no problem with sending our young people to kill their young people

            1. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Seriously now, where do you get that idea?

              Rightwingers are the best at saber rattling, that is out of my purview

              1. aware profile image67
                awareposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Iran Contra

                1. Credence2 profile image81
                  Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  Iran Contra? Don't need to couch to everything in riddles.

                  What about Iran Contra, Reagan's illegal support of rightists in Central America?

                  What does that have to do with me and my sentiments?

                  1. aware profile image67
                    awareposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    It's not a riddle. If we were at war with the Latin American country you would have no problem sending our young kids off to kill their young kids for no reason at all

              2. aware profile image67
                awareposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                There are a lot of people out there waving a saber saying we should be down in Venezuela doing something about the government so that these people don't have to flee their country

                1. Credence2 profile image81
                  Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  I am not one of them, I don't like imperialism and believe the Monroe Doctrine is passé.  Revolutions and Civil War is part and parcel of living anywhere, after all we had our own. I just won't give the militarist an excuse

                  1. aware profile image67
                    awareposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    I do not make excuses for The Human Condition. Or assign it a color

              3. aware profile image67
                awareposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                1846 - 1848

                1. Credence2 profile image81
                  Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  1846-48, yes?

          3. aware profile image67
            awareposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Firebombing campaign in Tokyo

      2. aware profile image67
        awareposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Now you mentioned Malvo and said a few years back. 2002 is more than a few. And he wasn't an African-American he was born in Jamaica. Misinformation pisses me off

        1. aware profile image67
          awareposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Especially when you're using it to make some kind of point

          1. Credence2 profile image81
            Credence2posted 2 months agoin reply to this

            The father was born in the US and if I made the mistake as to the son's point of origin, I guess you can sue me. If you are that touchy, I have got a whole lot more that you are going to be pi$$ed off about, you and all your Rightwinger buddies.

    3. Don W profile image81
      Don Wposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      The Washington Examiner is not the most reliable source. Have you verified the information Mike?

    4. Don W profile image81
      Don Wposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      "Despite common misperceptions that all mass shooters are white, the findings indicate that . . . "

      Let's stop there. 

      Do you know anyone who has ever said they believe all mass shooters are white? Do you know of any public figures who have said they believe all mass shooters are white? Do you know of any article, study, or public statement from anyone, anywhere that says all mass shooters are white?

      Is this really a "common misperception" Mike?

      Sure, I suspect lots of people think most mass shooters are white certainly, but the figures cited confirm that to be true, so what's the big reveal here?

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        The figures cited seem to confirm that, as a percentage of the population, white shooters are less common than other races.

  2. Randy Godwin profile image91
    Randy Godwinposted 2 months ago

    Thankfully the USA Today scare was a mistake. Whew, we don't need anymore deaths from mass shooters!

  3. Live to Learn profile image80
    Live to Learnposted 2 months ago

    I don't care who is doing the shooting.  We need to find a way to stop it.

    Either way,  I'm not surprised it's  spun to look like it's a white person problem.  What isn't these days?

    1. Readmikenow profile image97
      Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      THAT's the point.  Everything is now about race.  Including mass shootings.

      1. Live to Learn profile image80
        Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Well, the democrats have nothing to run with, no message that appeals to the majority, so their current strategy is 'divide and conquer'.

        1. Readmikenow profile image97
          Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          I agree with you.  I saw a documentary about defense attorneys.  One said if they didn't have evidence to prove their client was innocent, they would "throw up anything and everything and yell about it."  I think this is what the Democrat party is doing.  I believe this is what desperation looks like.

          1. Live to Learn profile image80
            Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Makes sense. Most of the ones in Congress are lawyers, I think.

        2. PrettyPanther profile image84
          PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          The majority of Americans want health care for all.  The Democrats are the only party working toward that.

          The majority of Americans want to spend money on infrastructure, as do the Democrats.

          The majority of Americans want an increase in the minimum wage, a policy supported by Democrats.

          The majority of Americans want government funding for child care, as do Democrats.

          The majority of Americans support universal background checks for gun ownership, as do the Democrats.

          I'm sure I could think of more, but you get the idea.

          1. Live to Learn profile image80
            Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            I get the idea. I'd love all those things too. The problem is the democrats are promising all of that, and more.

            A chicken in every pot always sounds nice, but the average American understands all of that comes with a price tag that we don't have the money to pay for. Any average American who doesn't understand that can understand basic math.

            I've seen plenty of polls showing the vast change in support once the person understands how 'free' stuff will affect their tax bill.

            Edit. Throw in the Democratic stand on immigration and even a child can see the impossibility.

            1. PrettyPanther profile image84
              PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Yes, those polls apply to questions regarding health care.  There is considerable disagreement on how to pay for it, and you are right, support for it goes down depending on the method.  But universal background checks for guns doesn't have the same problem, nor does an increase in the minimum wage, or support for an infrastructure bill.  The money can easily be found for these things; it's just a matter of priorities.

              1. Live to Learn profile image80
                Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Oddly, one of Trump's priorities was infrastructure. It's funny how the democrats in Washington wouldn'twork on that with him and it appears it may be a talking point for the democrats in the upcoming election?

                Well, that's ok. It's a subject both sides, if they stop playing politics and get down to work, could probably agree on.

                Background checks may be a hurdle in the short run, but I hear the president is pushing for red flag laws. That's a start. If we can start somewhere I'd call that a good thing.

                Like I said. There is good in wanting to have solid social programs and I have no problem with anything, as long as corresponding cuts in other things balances the unbalanced budget. Let's just not create larger deficits.

                1. PrettyPanther profile image84
                  PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this
                  1. Live to Learn profile image80
                    Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    I do remember that. Trump needs to do the same as all the others. Work together in the spirit of compromise, for the good of the nation.

              2. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Really  Think those people in Seattle that lost their jobs or businesses due to an increase in minimum wage still support it?  As was said, once the cost of these things becomes known support falls dramatically.

                (Just curious, but where do you "find the money" for an increase in minimum wage?  From the pockets of mom and pop store owners?)

          2. DoubleScorpion profile image78
            DoubleScorpionposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            I could be off or wrong....But don't Democrats make up a majority of voters? So I would expect Democrat voters to support democrat ideas...

            1. Readmikenow profile image97
              Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              I would like to point out that many Democrats voted for President Donald Trump in 2016.  It's obvious that Democrats do not vote as a block.

              "Places that supported President Obama over Mitt Romney in the 2012 election switched their support to Trump — some with hefty margins."

              https://www.cnbc.com/heres-a-map-of-the … democrats/

              1. DoubleScorpion profile image78
                DoubleScorpionposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Yeah. I noticed that as well...

                And the independents like me...can and do vote either party... depending on what policies might happen to be close to our views.

                And most of the information for these "most of Americans" comes from polls that can be biased in who was asked...

                I know for me personally...I never get asked poll questions...

                The one poll I did see on a twitter page (Socialist Superwomen- @AoCgang) which asked "who would be president in 2020?" and it had Trump at 93% out of 89,000+ votes when I saw it. I think the tweet as has been deleted now...I did happen to screen shot it though...

                1. Readmikenow profile image97
                  Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  As an Independent, how would you assess the current political situation in the United States?

                  I admit to having a bias, as I am a Republican and have been for years.

                  1. DoubleScorpion profile image78
                    DoubleScorpionposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    I would say both sides have faults...no doubt on that...

                    But recently...The Democrats have been pushing ideas that I consider very divisive and even dangerous.

                    I have noticed, that it seems to me, that the democrat side is always reducing everything down to race, sex, or various other factors that places a separation between the various melting pot that we call Americans. That seems to be very racist, sexist, etc. etc. grooming in nature.

                    In a college class that my wife was taking awhile back...I was a guest speaker and we talked about people being reduced to their appearance and that many in politics see them as nothing more than a black vote, woman vote, latino(a) vote...and not a vote from a fellow American.
                    Like the Argument surrounding requiring a Photo ID to vote....there are many who say that this is racist, as it affects the minority voters....That sounds a lot like an "old white guy" saying that minorities can't manage to get or don't have a photo ID because they are minorities...The question I have is this...How many people do you know, regardless of skin color or anything else for that matter, that do not have some form of Photo ID...Personally, I don't know anyone that does not have a photo ID...as it is almost impossible to live your life without a photo ID...You need a Photo ID for pretty much everything these days...

                    So...I would say in recent times, The Democrat party is seriously guilty of what they claim others are doing...Inciting violence (even outright calling for it), pushing racism support as an agenda, divisive rhetoric and the list goes on...

                    The republicans need to start working with the democrats (and vice versa) on common sense policies that help Americans. The also need to grow a backbone and stop bowing to pressure just because someone doesn't agree with them...and republicans need to seriously stop fighting things just because it was proposed by a democrat.

                    At this point, I don't see much difference between the parties...as the Democrats are going seriously extremely left...and the Republicans are to scared to take a real stand on anything...

          3. Readmikenow profile image97
            Readmikenowposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            "The majority of Americans want health care for all.  The Democrats are the only party working toward that.

            The majority of Americans want to spend money on infrastructure, as do the Democrats.

            The majority of Americans want an increase in the minimum wage, a policy supported by Democrats.

            The majority of Americans want government funding for child care, as do Democrats.

            The majority of Americans support universal background checks for gun ownership, as do the Democrats."

            I don't agree with these assumptions.  I don't think there is any evidence available to support such assumptions..

          4. Annkf profile image88
            Annkfposted 7 weeks agoin reply to this

            The US National Dept Clock has us at $22,467,795,131,451, in debt.
            This is a debt that will likely never be brought under control. At least the current POTUS is working to end foolish spending in trade and other areas.

            While democrats are promising all this "free stuff," they currently have budgets to allot money to different programs in their districts. NY recently voted against education funds for the families of fallen soldiers in favor of free educations for Illegals. CA is already funding free healthcare for illegals.

            If democrat's take office in 2020, they will fling the borders wide open and millions of people will pour in. The democrats will prioritize them as they see them as their "constituents." AOC said this outright. Beto and others have even campaigned on the other side of the southern border.
            Anyone who thinks for one second that they are actually going to get "free healthcare. free money, or free anything is insane. They only thing they'll get by voting democrat is an economic free fall!

            If that happens, good luck finding your next meal. I hear that in Venezuela they squired a taste for their dogs and even zoo animals.

  4. Valeant profile image96
    Valeantposted 2 months ago

    Here is a different source for the discussion...since the Rockefeller only goes to May 2018.

    Totals from 1982-2019:  https://www.statista.com/statistics/476 … er-s-race/

    Year-by-year glance:  https://www.statista.com/statistics/811 … in-the-us/

    1. Live to Learn profile image80
      Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      That's interesting.  So if 76 percent of the US population is white they should account for more shootings than that. If we compare that to the number of blacks involved and their percentage of the population they account for a disproportionately high percentage.

      Would it then follow that we could conclude black men are more dangerous? Because,  those figures supplied in that article are pointing that way.

      1. Valeant profile image96
        Valeantposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        The data, by proportions, does support your conclusion.

        1. Live to Learn profile image80
          Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          And you know why that is not a valid conclusion? The same reason blaming white guys isn't.

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            It may well be true (and appears to be) that blacks are more likely to commit mass murder than whites are.  Would that be particularly surprising given than poverty promotes violence and blacks are disproportionately represented in the rolls of the poverty stricken?

            There are many reasons, some coinciding with race, for violence.  But skin melanin is not one of them.  Coincidence does not equal causality.

            1. Live to Learn profile image80
              Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Exactly. Unless you are on the left trying to prove white supremacy. Then, skin tone is the only thing they look at.

              1. Valeant profile image96
                Valeantposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Snopes does bring up a good point that how 'mass shooting' is defined that has a big effect on the data people present. 

                I think that when the definition is 'indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker,' this tends to skew more towards white males.  Example, from Jan. 1, 2018 to June 28, there were six instances that fit this description.  Five instances the shooter was white and in the other Asain-American. 

                With a more liberal definition such as 'an occurrence in which four or more people (not including the attacker) are shot in a single incident,' the numbers spike to 153 and fit the narrative being argued in this thread.

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  You lost me.  How do the numbers spike when the data goes from "indiscriminate killing" to "people shot" - the second being a subset of the first?  Are you counting all injured, but not killed, in one but not the other?  Because if so I'd have to say it is a real effort at cherry picking and skewing data in order to produce a desired conclusion.

                  1. Valeant profile image96
                    Valeantposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    You focused on the wrong words that were different.  The three words after indiscriminate rampages, 'in public places' versus in a single incident, which can include shootings that are part of other crimes (robberies) or family shootings.

                2. Live to Learn profile image80
                  Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  I'll assume you are disregarding drive by massacres, shootings at parties and such. Which is quite convenient.

                  Let's take the guns from neo nazis and their ilk and see if gun violence has much of a decline.

                  1. Valeant profile image96
                    Valeantposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    I'm not disregarding anything.  I'm just noting that there are a variety of different ways people determine mass shooting, and that may affect their perception of who is committing them.

 
working

This website uses cookies

As a user in the EEA, your approval is needed on a few things. To provide a better website experience, hubpages.com uses cookies (and other similar technologies) and may collect, process, and share personal data. Please choose which areas of our service you consent to our doing so.

For more information on managing or withdrawing consents and how we handle data, visit our Privacy Policy at: https://hubpages.com/privacy-policy#gdpr

Show Details
Necessary
HubPages Device IDThis is used to identify particular browsers or devices when the access the service, and is used for security reasons.
LoginThis is necessary to sign in to the HubPages Service.
Google RecaptchaThis is used to prevent bots and spam. (Privacy Policy)
AkismetThis is used to detect comment spam. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide data on traffic to our website, all personally identifyable data is anonymized. (Privacy Policy)
HubPages Traffic PixelThis is used to collect data on traffic to articles and other pages on our site. Unless you are signed in to a HubPages account, all personally identifiable information is anonymized.
Amazon Web ServicesThis is a cloud services platform that we used to host our service. (Privacy Policy)
CloudflareThis is a cloud CDN service that we use to efficiently deliver files required for our service to operate such as javascript, cascading style sheets, images, and videos. (Privacy Policy)
Google Hosted LibrariesJavascript software libraries such as jQuery are loaded at endpoints on the googleapis.com or gstatic.com domains, for performance and efficiency reasons. (Privacy Policy)
Features
Google Custom SearchThis is feature allows you to search the site. (Privacy Policy)
Google MapsSome articles have Google Maps embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
Google ChartsThis is used to display charts and graphs on articles and the author center. (Privacy Policy)
Google AdSense Host APIThis service allows you to sign up for or associate a Google AdSense account with HubPages, so that you can earn money from ads on your articles. No data is shared unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Google YouTubeSome articles have YouTube videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
VimeoSome articles have Vimeo videos embedded in them. (Privacy Policy)
PaypalThis is used for a registered author who enrolls in the HubPages Earnings program and requests to be paid via PayPal. No data is shared with Paypal unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook LoginYou can use this to streamline signing up for, or signing in to your Hubpages account. No data is shared with Facebook unless you engage with this feature. (Privacy Policy)
MavenThis supports the Maven widget and search functionality. (Privacy Policy)
Marketing
Google AdSenseThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Google DoubleClickGoogle provides ad serving technology and runs an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Index ExchangeThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
SovrnThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Facebook AdsThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Unified Ad MarketplaceThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
AppNexusThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
OpenxThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Rubicon ProjectThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
TripleLiftThis is an ad network. (Privacy Policy)
Say MediaWe partner with Say Media to deliver ad campaigns on our sites. (Privacy Policy)
Remarketing PixelsWe may use remarketing pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to advertise the HubPages Service to people that have visited our sites.
Conversion Tracking PixelsWe may use conversion tracking pixels from advertising networks such as Google AdWords, Bing Ads, and Facebook in order to identify when an advertisement has successfully resulted in the desired action, such as signing up for the HubPages Service or publishing an article on the HubPages Service.
Statistics
Author Google AnalyticsThis is used to provide traffic data and reports to the authors of articles on the HubPages Service. (Privacy Policy)
ComscoreComScore is a media measurement and analytics company providing marketing data and analytics to enterprises, media and advertising agencies, and publishers. Non-consent will result in ComScore only processing obfuscated personal data. (Privacy Policy)
Amazon Tracking PixelSome articles display amazon products as part of the Amazon Affiliate program, this pixel provides traffic statistics for those products (Privacy Policy)
ClickscoThis is a data management platform studying reader behavior (Privacy Policy)