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   GA Andersonposted 3 years ago

   II heard a radio commercial today that absolutely stopped me in my tracks, (so to speak).
   
   "Bullet-Proof Child Backpack Inserts"
   
   Put your pro or anti-gun politics aside for a moment. Resist the urge to pronounce or defend a position. ( I know most won't).l
   
   But . . . This is our America . . . an advertisement for bullet-proof child backpack inserts.
   
   What are we going to do with the idiots among us? From those that promote this ad to those that made it a possibility, I am almost ready to go back to some 17th century 'cures'.
   
   Okay, I took a breath. Could our problem be that our current state of instant communications and social media networking that facilitates any nutcase to find similar nutcase validations be the problem?
   
   If it gives you a heads-up I don't intend this to be an anti-gun thread, but maybe a more anti-facilitation thread.
   
   If a nutcase can find validation, is he more likely to act on his 'nutcaseness'?
   
   GA

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      Eastwardposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Hi, GA. I don't think we can blame social media (video games, movies, books, fast food flyers, etc.) because the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon will cause someone this deranged to find that validation just about anywhere (bathroom stall scrawling, peculiarly shaped clouds, lotto ticket number sequences, etc.). Just my two cents...

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      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      America is deevolving. Maybe, that idea of moving to either Canada or Portugal may not be so bad of one.
      
      Rightwingers use excuses like video games, pornography, etc.to explain the ramp up of violence, as a precursor to the censorship that the Rightwinger has always craved.
      
      I just got through with an article tha pointed to Japan and South Korea having a society far more immersed in this form of entertainment, but they are not shooting one another down like dogs.
      
      Unfortunately, I remain quite pessimistic about this society and its future.

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      PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Hi GA, this is just another step along the path of crazy that this country is traveling along right now. What shall we do to protect our children from school shootings? Armed guards at every door! Check. Arm the teachers!  Check. Armed shooter situation drills for kindergartners! Check. Bulletproof backpacks for children!  Check.
      
      Re your validation theory, you're onto something.

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      dianetrotterposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Is it really because a person is a nutcase?

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      RTalloniposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      "If a nutcase can find validation, is he more likely to act on his 'nutcaseness'?" is an important question. The answer is yes. An Anti-facilitation discussion is so important.
      
      To think that a bullet proof pack or insert is going to protect students is on the same level as thinking any store of firearms in a home/community is going to protect from a modern government's action against citizens.
      
      Society should demand that there be a law against news media using mass shooter's names and face in their reports, especially when they are endlessly repeated for days on end. They do it not to help, but to make money off of the victims and to promote their agendas. 
      
      If someone really wants to see clear photos of their faces or read their names, social media gossip will provide that. News media should raise the bar high and refuse to give them the celebrity status they seek. They should use their opportunity to focus on the victims, the first responders, and investigators giving their lives to helping and finding solutions, but they won't because money and their agenda of misrepresenting America is their goal.
      
      Just because these people are nut cases does not mean they do not know that what they are doing is criminal and that they will face our judicial system if they live through the ordeal. It is time to stop giving them the attention they seek.

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         Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         So, RT, we are suppose to muzzle the press from reporting on massacres like El Paso? So whose agenda would see that as an advantage?
         
         Of course, the pro gun and  rightwing fanatics would prefer not having these events splash across in newspaper headlines,
         
         So, I tell the press to keep it up, let everyone see the result of gun violence. Maybe, and it might encourage the drive for solutions.

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            RTalloniposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Nothing in the comment said the tragedies should not be reported. One way I've seen it handled was for a reporter to be upfront and say they would not use the perpetrators name or show their face because of the issue with glorification, but they did report the crimes and related details, just as I mentioned in my comment above. Why you would think the comment said they shouldn't be reported is a puzzle.

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               Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

               The only protection like that goes to perpetrators who are minors.
               
               I don't see "glorification" as a reason to avoid showing the face of the attacker, giving his name and providing us all with his or her background, as it appears that many of these are killed in the act anyway, so what and who are we trying to protect? Knowing it ALL allows us to determine the nature and motives behind the crime and I certainly want to know that.

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            awareposted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Around a hundred people a day are killed by gun violence in America. That's the news

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               Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Let's openly report that as well.

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                  awareposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Seems as the media loves to report when it is a white person that is killing people the same should be done when it is black people killing each other. Seems as the media loves to interject Killers political leanings. The same should be done with all of the hundred a day.

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                     Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     Gang violence, does it have a racist or intolerant bent? Yes, I want to know the political motivation behind the shootings. Yes it going to be hardest on white Supremacist or Klan that is behind killing minorities groups JUST BECAuSE they are not of the white race.
                     
                     That, in my opinion between the two forms of violence, the latter is far more reprehensible.

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                        awareposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        Have you ever listened to gangster rap music? .its totally racist and intolerant. The KKK isn't out killing people every day white supremacists are not out killing people everyday. You are not going to solve anything if you go after the exceptions instead of the rule.

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                           Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           Aware, people can believe and say what they want, you have plenty of racist and intolerant rightwing literature. I draw the line between speech and violent activity. When has a black or any minority group member massacred people like dogs just because they were white. Do we have an El Paso equivalent?

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                              awareposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              Blacks are killing each other every single day . 21 dead in El Paso doesn't even compare. That's where the media places its focus tho.

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                                 Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                 That is where we differ and where society draws a line by identifying this massacre and others like this as "hate crimes" which by their nature are treated more harshly in the legal system, as they should be.

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                              wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                              "I draw the line between speech and violent activity."
                              
                              Sounds like what you're calling hate speech and rabble rousing from Trump is not in the same class as the violence; that you agree it's OK to promote such speech as long as you do no violence.  Did I get it right?

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                                 Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                                 Both are bad, I did not say promote it. But, I do say there is a difference in speech and people being killed solely for their color of their skin or beliefs, you cannot see this? Only the Right engages in hate speech AND follows up with massacres.
                                 
                                 So, you missed it.

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                  RTalloniposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Yes, please!  We should know the details surrounding the incidents if they are going to be reported, but we do not need to satisfy any shooters desire to use that method to get their message out or encourage those who may follow or support that method.

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                     Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     I am understanding your position somewhat better, discourage copy cat, but not suppress news related data concerning the shooter and the event.

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      Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      "If a nutcase can find validation, is he more likely to act on his 'nutcaseness'? "
      
      This question made my common sense kick into overdrive. It would seem that if a thought becomes validated by outside sources. Such as social media, media, friends... The thought could become validated in the mind of a "nutcase".  If one finds their thoughts excepted, validated by peers, it just may give them the strength to act on their nutcaseness.
      
      The power that validation offers is strong. One only has to have a long look at what some buy into from the media. A is a perfect example of validation. Today much of what the media are reporting is speculative and it is picked up quickly and spread quickly via social media.  Any given news report gathers false validity as it is spread. Soon, that speculative news report has grown legs and is considered factual.
      
      I would think it easier to commit a crime if the nut thinks he has a large crowds support.

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         wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         "I would think it easier to commit a crime if the nut thinks he has a large crowds support."
         
         Or if he thinks the large crowd is persecuting him or is against him in some way.  "I'll show them!" kind of thing.  Giving the vitriolic divide in the country, and the amount of hatred spread on social media, this seems possible.

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            Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Good point... Agree

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         dianetrotterposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Or the directive from a higher power.

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            Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Good point...

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      Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      GA what is there to say, where do you begin?
      
      Take a step back in time to the 70s...
      
      Consider now, how much of what today is considered 'normal' back then would have been considered 'committable'.
      
      Back then they had classes in public schools on riflemanship, boyscouts were for boys, and being pro-American was not just considered normal, it was expected.
      
      What 'norm' is left in today's society?
      
      We want women to be supermen, pedophiles complain that they are being unfairly prosecuted, in fact we put them in the White House (IE- Bill Clinton... Joe Biden) and our media ignores it, or tries to destroy the people who expose it.
      
      In today's America boys acting like boys gets riddlin shoved down a kids throat, a father that acts up because he finds out men are sharing lockers with his little girl at school is told by a CNN news anchor he needs to learn to deal with today's 'normal'.
      
      That lunatics are roaming the streets out there and committing grave atrocities shouldn't be a surprise in today's America, we have worked so hard to destroy the 'norms' of society, how could you expect anything else?

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         Randy Godwinposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         Really, Bill Clinton and Joe Biden are pedophiles, Ken? Got some proof of that claim? Or are you just "trumping it" as usual?

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            Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            Randy, Lewinsky was 22 when Bill used a cigar on her. Former President Bill Clinton was a much more frequent flyer on a registered sex offender’s infamous jet than previously reported, with flight logs showing the former president taking at least 26 trips aboard the “Lolita Express” -- even apparently ditching his Secret Service detail for at least five of the flights, according to records obtained by FoxNews.com

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               wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               ??  The first has nothing to do with being a pedophile, and the second provides zero indication of it either.  It might raise suspicions, but does NOT make a person a pedophile to ride in a plane owned by a sex offender.

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                  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Why visit 28 visits to the island? No proof Bill dud anything on the island, but odd he frequented it so often.   I was not referring to her age, I was referring to the cigar. Pretty sick...

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               Randy Godwinposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               Shar, how old is the age of consent where you live? And there were many people, including Prince Andrew, who used Epstein's airplane for travel and business. How old was Melania when Epstein introduced her to Trump?
               
               Are you aware one of Epstein's Lolita's was working at Mar-a-Lago when she was recruited by him. She was a 16 year old towel girl in the spa if I understand it correctly. Who was her boss

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                  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  Oh, I was not referring to her age, I was referring to the cigar. Just an ugly fact. You can read Monica's disposition online. It's disgusting. All the rest of your comment is ridiculous.

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                     Randy Godwinposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                     So ridiculous you avoided responding to the queries....nothing unusual for you, Shar.
                     
                     So using a cigar is a sign of a pedophile? How old was Melania when Epstein introduced her to Donald, Shar? Or did you know about the event?

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                        Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                        Your correct using a cigar does not indict Bill is a pedophile only that he is a sick puppy...  Did I make mention of what he did after he used the cigar? Maybe you should have a look-see at her deposition.  Like I said facts can be so ugly. Lolita island 28 times...
                        
                        Please offer a credible reference for how Melania met the president. Once again you post a comment that is inflammatory without any form of facts to present.
                        
                        "In 1998, Trump attended a party for Fashion Week with his date named Celina Midelfart. During the party, he was introduced to the beautiful supermodel: Melania Knauss. Trump was quick to ditch his current date to go and chat with the young and vibrant supermodel. He had asked Knauss for her number, but she was hesitant to give it to him. Instead, she took his number and after making him sweat it out for a few weeks, she finally gave him a call and they were soon heading out on their first date, which led to a romantic relationship.
                        
                        The New York Times previously reported that Jeffery Epstein was the one who had introduced Donald to Melania at the party. However, Page Six reports that a man named Francesco Belcaro was actually the one who had brought the couple together. Belcaro was recently spotted at another party where he was heard telling the guest that he was actually the one that introduced Trump to his current wife and that the other media outlets that were reporting otherwise are simply “fake news.”
                        https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertainmen … meet.html/
                        
                        https://www.bustle.com/p/miley-cyrus-fi … o-18567237
                        
                        https://www.insider.com/donald-melania- … ne-2018-11
                        
                        I don't intend to continue this subject, it is far off the original subject.  But then you are well known for deflecting off subject.

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                           Randy Godwinposted 3 years agoin reply to this

                           You didn't say how old Melania was, Shar. No surprise again...
                           
                           And you are well known for avoiding answering questions..

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   Live to Learnposted 3 years ago

   Yes. I believe the internet is part of the problem. I don't know that it is all of it. But, people find an echo chamber available for any crazy idea and if they get validation from another it can embolden them. It can make a crazy idea seem sane, to them.

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   Randy Godwinposted 3 years ago

   They'll make a bundle selling them.

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