Nancy's Game

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  1. Live to Learn profile image80
    Live to Learnposted 2 months ago

    The 'existential threat' which now appears to be not so urgent has me wondering.

    What are the chances she will hold onto these, hoping for large gains in the Senate in the upcoming election and then shove them forward if Trump wins re-election?

    What we are now witnessing is the most dangerous behavior I've seen in my lifetime. The democrats seem hell bent on ignoring precedent, separation off powers, ideas on fair play and such a total lack of common decency. I've never seen such power hungry behavior or a public so blinded by bias as to ignore it.

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      That has been my thought as well.  I also agree that we have never in our history seen such action, with a relatively small group of people deciding that they will run the country as they please, using any and all machinations of our constitution as necessary.  The ends justifies the means, in their apparent opinion, and they will do exactly as they please.

    2. Randy Godwin profile image92
      Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Wait until a democratic POTUS takes office. Then you'll be concerned with him abusing his power, but if Trump escapes with his extortion of the Ukrainen then you cannot complain. You don't seem to know what a "precedent" Trump is trying to set.

      1. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Not half the "precedent" Dem's are setting as they throw the entire weight of the government at their worst election nightmare.  When the power of the House is used simply to eliminate opposing election candidates the end is nearing fast.  Political power has taking priority over running our country, and it cannot end well.  For anyone, Democrat, Republican or "I don't care".

        1. Live to Learn profile image80
          Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          They don't care. The end justifies the means to those who support this travesty.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Are you suggesting they let Trump get away with abusing his power?

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Better than stepping outside the Constitution and abusing their own power!  What's next - using the FBI as an assassination tool for whoever they don't like?  Don't sneer - when the House exhibits the kind if performance they are, that could be next.  All those stupid memes about Hillary's political opponents ending up dead could become reality.  It hasn't happened in this country in large numbers...yet...but it certainly has in others when power is abused to the extent the House is abusing theirs.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              I'll take that as a yes.

      2. Live to Learn profile image80
        Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Honestly? I thought Obama thought he was a king but would have never supported impeachment.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Did he try to bribe a foreign ally with govt money to meddle in the election? Or something similar? As Sandy said, whatever it takes for you to cope.

          1. Live to Learn profile image80
            Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            We have a confession by Biden he did that. We have a call by Trump that doesn't support the allegation. But, in true left tradition you appear to believe if you say a lie long enough you'll convince others it isn't a lie.

            1. Randy Godwin profile image92
              Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              Who was Biden's political opponent in that deal, LTL? Or are you going to pretend it was not a US policy mission sponsored by the Republicans as well as the EU to remove the corrupt prosecutor?

              It definitely wasn't US policy for Trump to try to extort the Ukraine for anything, especially not investigating his political rival. You already know this of course but are trying so hard to act as though it doesn't matter. And failing miserably, I might add..

              1. Live to Learn profile image80
                Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                The thing I find odd is Trump says he didn't attempt extortion, bribe or require quid pro quo....the Ukraine president makes the same statement...but that isn't good enough. You just assume, with no solid proof that two heads of state are lying because you aren't hearing what you want to hear.


                And, quite frankly, anyone who considered Biden a presidential contender was pretty stupid. So, even if I couldn't see a valid reason to request an investigation I still wouldn't see it as Trump trying to get dirt on an opponent.

                Even if he were, why would you care? You supported Hillary's behavior. Is it ok for her but not Trump? I don't think it's ok for anyone, that's why I think so little of Hillary.

    3. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 2 months agoin reply to this

      You have summed it up well. I can agree I have never witnessed such a huge party meltdown. It's clearly unprecedented, dangerous, and I have to say embarrassing.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image92
        Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Me either, the Republican party is now the party of Trump and I'm embarrassed for its members admiring such a cad.

    4. crankalicious profile image91
      crankaliciousposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      OMG, your outrage is noted. "The most dangerous behavior you've seen in your lifetime"?

      That's rich.

  2. PrettyPanther profile image83
    PrettyPantherposted 2 months ago

    You two do have a vivid imagination and flair for the dramatic. Whatever helps you cope, I suppose.

    1. Live to Learn profile image80
      Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Lol. Sounds like a pot trying to pretend a kettle exists.

      1. PrettyPanther profile image83
        PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Fair point. One of us is upset that a lying,  crooked, bully might get away with abusing the power of the presidency and the other is upset that the Democrats are doing their constitutionally ordained duty to hold him accountable.

        Imagine that.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Right!  Their "constitutional duty" is to vote for impeachment then withhold it from the Senate until that body knuckles under and agrees to repeat the farce that produced the impeachment vote in the first place.  For sure, that's their "constitutional duty" - to dictate how and what the Senate does!

          1. PrettyPanther profile image83
            PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Oh, pleazzzz, it's not like they blocked a Supreme Court appointment for over a year or anything. Sheesh. It's been what, three days? Get a grip, man.

            1. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              I'll get a grip...when you decide to listen objectively.  Pelosi has said exactly what I did: that she will not supply the paperwork until she can control how the Senate does it's job.

        2. Randy Godwin profile image92
          Randy Godwinposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          Indeed, damn them for doing their constitutional duty! tongue

        3. Live to Learn profile image80
          Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          One of us is delusional.

          1. PrettyPanther profile image83
            PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Yep. I am confident that history will be unkind to Trump and his devorees, just as it was to Nixon and his hangers on.

            Documentaries will show video of him and his fans at rallies, laughing when he mocks a grieving widow or disabled reporter and cheering when he disparages war heroes like John McCain.

            They'll quote Trump supporters saying that the children in cages deserved their fate and Trump is an honest man who cares about his country more than himself. They'll lay out his lies and deranged tweets and his disturbing letter to Speaker Pelosi as evidence of his mental illness.  It will be similar to watching video.of Bundy groupies proclaiming his innocence. Viewers will wonder how seemingly normal people could be attracted to such disgusting behavior.

            It won't be pretty. Mark my words.

            1. Live to Learn profile image80
              Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              If things keep in the direction they are going I don't doubt that history books will be as full of lies as the democratic party is today. After the great purge you will support the reeducation camps. You'll make excuses for the food shortages and the homeless. You've had enough practice making excuses for the homeless already in America today. That's the mo of the democrats. Ruin things, beggar people and blame everyone else for for failures.

              1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Lol! Everything I mentioned has actually happened. You're making $hit up, i.e., "Trumping it."

                [sorry for stealing your phrase, Randy. It fits.]

                1. Live to Learn profile image80
                  Live to Learnposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  I do pity us. We are at a juncture where the left is completely disconnected from reason and reality. I won't make up catch phrases I think are witty. I'll just shake my head and hope you stop following blindly and wake up.

                  Oh. And I've decided to buy land way out in the country just in case this is headed irrevocably in the wrong direction.

                  1. PrettyPanther profile image83
                    PrettyPantherposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                    It's okay, one of my right-wing friends (now aTrumpeter) warned me Obama was going to confiscate by farm and kill all my goats for food for the masses before his second term was up. No one is safe in the imagination of a fearful conservative.

                    But, take heart, Obama didn't steal my farm nor did a death panel pull the plug on Grandma so I'm pretty sure you're safe from your current imaginary socialist nightmare.

              2. crankalicious profile image91
                crankaliciousposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Lies in history books tend to be written by Republicans. Take a trip to Texas, where they rewrite high school history books to reflect their view of American history, removing information about civil rights, slavery, and such.

                They rewrite science to include Creationism and demand it be taught in public school.

                You really need to get some clear perspective on who is doing what. It's not the left that reinventing the fact. It's the Right.

                1. crankalicious profile image91
                  crankaliciousposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                  And here's your President going off on wind:

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec9P3C1OXqE

                  Just a random link. It just always strikes me that most intelligent people would see this stuff and think to themselves "how could anyone vote for such a person". I mean, if somebody just randomly walked up to me and started talking like this, I'd think they were brain damaged.

            2. Ken Burgess profile image91
              Ken Burgessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

              Who cares what history thinks about Trump?

              This is only about shutting down Trump and regaining power.  Once they are back in power they will care less about Trump.

              What matters is who gains control of the Democratic Party's soul, right now there is a battle between Democrats that are corporate stooges, corrupt to the core, who are no better than 'Republicans'.  And the real progressives, the ones looking to make real change, not give lip service and lies to the people while they fatten their bank accounts.

              Ocasio-Cortez has blasted the Republicans, "Oh that's right, almost forgot: GOP works for the corporate CEOs showering themselves in multi-million [dollar] bonuses; not the actual working people whose wages + healthcare they're ripping off for profit."

              But she has pointed out that the 'old cronies' in the Democratic Party are no better, the Clintons and Pelosi types as corrupt as any Republican.  “Oh God,” she said. “In any other country, Joe Biden and I would not be in the same party, but in America, we are.”

              And that's the problem, and until it is resolved, until the Democrats truly stand for making a difference, they are even worse than the Republicans and Trump.  At least the Republicans say what they are, and do what they say... the Democrats have been lying about who they were and what they stand for, for a long time now... its time for America to wake up and force the party to change.  Out with the old, in with those who really want to make change happen.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image92
                Randy Godwinposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                Choosing Trump as a change maker is stupid in the greatest sense of the word.You don't elect crooks to get rid of more crooks. And with Trump University, the Trump Foundation, and other unethical deals he's been involved with, it's obvious he's not very astute.

                What idiot goes bankrupt owning two casinos? Only Donnie!

                1. Live to Learn profile image80
                  Live to Learnposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Sounds to me like the fact that that are all crooks doesn't phase you.

                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Could it be more like the "birthers" except on the other side of the fence?  Simply a refusal to accept reality in favor of pretending that Democrats don't fit into the "crook" category?

                  2. Randy Godwin profile image92
                    Randy Godwinposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Unlike yourself, I consider murder much worse than shoplifting. And someone selling out his country is the worst sort of crook.

              2. PrettyPanther profile image83
                PrettyPantherposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

                I agree with you that there is a tug-of-war within the Democrat Party between the old guard and those who want real change. I can only hope my fellow Democrat voters will choose Warren, Yang, or  Sanders.

                Trump is not the guy to effect change. He and his low-life family are nothing more than grifters trying to scrounge every last dollar they can out of his position as president. It would be better to have any democratic candidate in office than Trump. At least there would be some minimum level of competency.  Trump is a dangerous mentally ill fool who is quickly diminishing out standing in the world while ransacking our government.

  3. Randy Godwin profile image92
    Randy Godwinposted 2 months ago

    It seems we don't hear the mantra 'elections have consequences' very often from the Right these days. Hmmmm..

  4. Live to Learn profile image80
    Live to Learnposted 2 months ago

    I watched a segment on CBS where they were talking to voters in a small town in Ohio. One woman summed it up. When asked about impeachment she said Trump didn't do anything that isn't done in Washington every 15 minutes.


    There is the great divide. Many of you have no problem with business as usual with the usual suspects.

 
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