Michigan Says It All About Coronavirus and the Political Divide

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  1. crankalicious profile image95
    crankaliciousposted 15 months ago

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 … s-protest/

    People in Michigan took to the streets and marched on the capital in Lansing, Michigan chanting "lock her up" in reference to Governor Gretchen Whitmer.

    Here we're seeing right-wing politics coming fully into play.

    1. Protestors defied a stay-at-home order and gathered in large groups, assuring that the virus will likely spread further.
    2. They chanted "lock her up", a common Trump theme used against Hillary Clinton. Apparently they think their governor should be in jail for trying to keep the virus from spreading.
    3. Right-wing media poured gas all over the fire by pushing the notion that restrictions should be eased and people allowed back to work.

    This will only get worse. The irony here is that if the protestors get what they want, the economy will be wrecked anyway as the healthcare system in Michigan will collapse, deaths will increase, and nobody will be able to work.

    Do they not realize that they're only prolonging what's already happening?

    And the final irony - if the U.S. had prepared better for this pandemic and taken it seriously earlier, they wouldn't be in the position they're in.

    They're following a message from their president - open the economy now!

    Is that a good idea?

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      I do think it's time to begin opening up.  Partially, at least.

      I like the stance our governor is taking - a longer list of "essential" business that may open...if the offer curbside or drive up service.  IF they take certain steps to protect employees.  No big gatherings, which means no gyms, no bars, no events, etc.

      The idea that our economy, and society, can endure indefinite lockdown is, to me, very false.  We already have thousands of small business that will never recover, and tens of thousands more than will take a very long time to do so.  We are, I believe, on the cusp of a total economic meltdown; another 3 or 4 months could very achieve that with worse long term results than any virus.

      There is also the problem that people are sick of it (most everybody, in spite of your characterization that they are only the "right wing" group).  How much longer will people pay any attention?  Are we going to jail anyone violating the orders, sticking them into a large gathering and simply letting them die there?

      1. crankalicious profile image95
        crankaliciousposted 15 months agoin reply to this

        I think the protestors intentionally gathered into a large group to send the signal that they think it's all just bogus. And they want to jail the governor for doing her job to protect the public health.

        Without the support of the federal government, the stay-at-home orders are going to fall apart all over the country and there will be no coordinated return to work. It will just be the people who are most sick of it going back because they've decided they know better.

        I agree, there can be some kind of coordinated return to work with appropriate testing and pretty strict distancing and PPE rules.

        And hey, I live in a very liberal city. The governor has told everyone to wear masks in public. I've barely seen 50% of people following the rule, so I guess everyone just decides for themselves, kind of like vaccines.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 15 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, they gathered in a large group.  So did some church goers and some beach party aficionados.  Which is a part of what I said - people aren't going to do it indefinitely.  When they get hungry, when the repo man comes for their car, when they get the eviction or repossession notice on their house it's all over.  Or, maybe, when they just get tired of it all.  God knows I miss seeing my grandchildren!

          But I do agree that federal govt. support will help.  Fortunately we have that with Trumps announcement today.

      2. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

        The Michigan Conservative Coalition sponsored the protest. I live in Michigan and being a Republican I am aware of the  Michigan Conservative Coalition. They are very determined to have Governor Whitmer recalled. Her restrictions for the COVID19 crisis are very different from other states. And many here are not willing to abide by some of them. They are clearly ridiculous. Our local state police reported that there were over 10 thousand cars and at no time did the protest get out of hand. Other than some chanting Lock her up, and Trump 2020. and “She’s driving us out of business. We’re driving to Lansing.” Another operation Gridlock is scheduled for this Wednesday.

        Michigan is a Trump country. I live in a community that was previously filled with Democrats, now one would be hard to find.

        So far in my community, all are following the better part of the stay at home orders.

        "And the final irony - if the U.S. had prepared better for this pandemic and taken it seriously earlier, they wouldn't be in the position they're in."

        Does that include the Obama administration?

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

          lol Obama hasn't been POTUS for over three years, Shar? Was he privy to the US intel Trump received back in November? Did Trump follow the pandemic playbook written just for this sort of thing in 2015? The answers are no, and no.

          I want to see those protesting the shutdown back to work first, and after a few weeks if they don't have a real spike in the virus, then the sensible people will have some sort of incentive to return to everyday life.

          I wish you luck and I'm pleased you feel the need to volunteer. tongue

        2. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 15 months agoin reply to this

          Well, Sharlee, your world must be quite small. From what I read, Michigan is a blue state, predominantly Democrat, what about Wayne County?

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

            As I said I live in Michigan, the Trump support is palpable. Not sure what sites you are getting your information from. But I can assure you Michigan is Trump country. Dem's have no footing here. In the 2016 election, all 16 electro votes went to Trump. His popularity has done nothing but grows due to his job performance.

            1. profile image0
              PrettyPantherposted 15 months agoin reply to this

              Trump won Michigan by a quarter of a percentage point in 2016.

    2. Live to Learn profile image78
      Live to Learnposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      My observation has been that some people will follow the CDC guidelines while some won't. The lockdown has proven that. So what purpose does the lockdown really serve? For those who willingly already follow social distancing guidelines?

      I've been watching the daily number of new cases in several states. They are under lockdown and have been long enough for new cases to bottom out. But they haven't. Why? Many are not following the rules.

      I have continued the same routine I started, prior to mandatory changes. The only thing I have changed is to start wearing a face mask when the CDC began recommending it.

      The point is, the lock down does unfairly target people who are already aware and acting with social distancing and CDC recommendations at the forefront of their mind. They don't need a lock down to follow the guidelines. Those who aren't following the guidelines now obviously won't whether in a lock down or not.

  2. Sharlee01 profile image84
    Sharlee01posted 15 months ago

    True, but Trump was given all the electoral votes. Trump 16 Clinton 0
    https://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/results/michigan

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      1/4 of a percentage point doesn't sound like much of a Trump landslide, Shar.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

        I never said Trump had a landslide in 2016, just that he garnered all the electoral votes.

    2. profile image0
      PrettyPantherposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      You said the "Dem's [sic] have no footing here."

      Seems like a massive overstatement.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image84
        Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

        It's my opinion, I have watched an entire community I live in becoming Trump supporters. The Detriot Metro area is mainly auto executives and auto workers. Trump has lined many pockets in Michigan, and lots of money is being donated to his campaign.

        https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2 … chase.html

        1. crankalicious profile image95
          crankaliciousposted 15 months agoin reply to this

          If Michigan is Trump country, how did they elect a Democrat as governor?

          Also wondering if you are using the fact that Trump received all of Michigan's electoral votes as a basis for concluding that Michigan is Trump country if he only won the popular vote by .3%. Are you emphasizing that the 16 electoral votes proves his overwhelming popularity or do you not understand that even if he had won Michigan by only a single vote, he still would have received their 16 electoral votes.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

            That's what I was trying to think. tongue

          2. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

            I am very aware of how the electoral college works. I was simply pointing out it matters little that Hillary came close to winning Michigan. Trump won an walked away with the 16 electoral votes. I was trying to be a bit polite. Forgot the forum I am posting on. Well, now I have used the loser's name. Really did not want to go there. But learning fast.

            I voted For Gov. Whitmer. It was a choice of her or Bill Schuette a man I found unacceptable.  for many reasons. Many Republicans disliked Bill Schuette. At this point, I can see she turned out ill equipt to handle the job of running the state. She was a disappointment from her very first days in office.  But, I am very sure Bill Schuette would have been just as bad or worse.  Hopefully, I have better to choose from next time around.

            1. crankalicious profile image95
              crankaliciousposted 15 months agoin reply to this

              Being polite how? Was I being impolite? It seems impolite to denigrate the citizens of your fine state who voted for Clinton by implying that they live in Trump country when your state appears pretty purple. Just because Trump got the electoral votes doesn't support your assertion that the state is overwhelmingly for Trump and it seemed that was the point you were making.

              1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

                I did not accuse you of being impolite.  I did not point out anything but the fact Trump won 16 electoral votes. I was referring to the 2016 election and giving my opinion in regard to Trump's support in the state I live in. No more no less... In my view. I suggest you read all my comments on this thread. I  in no way denigrated any voters that voted for Hillary Clinton. Not sure which of my statements would have given you that view. In regard to "Trump having a foothold in Michigan" in my opinion he does. Why do I feel this, I think I gave some information in my comments about how I came to that opinion. I have lived in my community for over 30 years, it was a Democratic-leaning community it has turned in to a very Republican community. I am well aware of many other communities that have followed this same pattern over the past few years. I pointed out the fact that the Trump campaign has collected far more funds then the Democratic party. here in Michigan. These are just two indicators that I considered that led me to my opinion on Trump's popularity in Michigan.

                1. crankalicious profile image95
                  crankaliciousposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                  You claim that Michigan is predominantly Republican, yet Trump won the state by a mere .3% of the popular vote and you have a governor who is a Democrat. What is your evidence that Michigan is predominantly Republican?

                  Your governor, lt. governor, secretary of state, and attorney general are all Democrats. Your representation in the House of Represenatives is 7 Democrats and 6 Republicans. Your two senators are both Democrats.

                  I'm curious how you came to your conclusion. Seems like a very purple state.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image84
                    Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

                    You are looking at what occurred three years ago. I am making you aware of what I have witnessed over the past few years. I certainly can't prove my opinion, I can only offer why I came to have that opinion. To repeat my comment---
                    "I have lived in my community for over 30 years, it was a Democratic-leaning community it has turned in to a very Republican community. I am well aware of many other communities that have followed this same pattern over the past few years. I pointed out the fact that the Trump campaign has collected far more funds then the Democratic party. here in Michigan. These are just two indicators that I considered that led me to my opinion on Trump's popularity in Michigan."

                    It is certainly your right to have your opinion. I am not out to try to change it. I would think the upcoming election will be the final determination of Trump's popularity in Michigan.

 
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