US Intelligence agencies warned the WH re the virus in November

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  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
    Randy Godwinposted 15 months ago

    As more info comes to light about the warnings the WH received about the severity of the coronavirus, a new report tells how US Intel reported the possible catastrophic even as early as November of last year.

    This, along with Navarro's recently released memo, indicate Trump and his staff were well aware of the possible pandemic.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/08/politics … index.html

    1. Ken Burgess profile image89
      Ken Burgessposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      The WH gets warned of all sorts of threats all the time, this is about as big and legitimate an issue as the story about Trump having stock in hydroxychloroquine, in other words its totally inaccurate and false.

      On Jan. 7, 2020, Chinese health authorities announced that they had isolated the virus spreading in Wuhan.

      The Trump administration first made the announcement Jan. 31, 2020, that they would restrict foreign nationals recently in China from entering the U.S.

      The World Health Organization recommended against any travel or trade restrictions in response to the outbreak, denouncing Trump's decision.

      The Washington Post also bashed Trump’s travel ban using a Chinese ministry spokesman. Their article included a quote from the spokesman criticizing the travel ban and noting that it is against the WHO’s recommendations.

      Sen. Chuck Schumer deleted a Feb. 5 tweet criticizing President Donald Trump's decision to ban some forms of travel to and from China.

      On February 11, 2020 the disease was officially named COVID-19 and the virus that causes it, officially named SARS-CoV-2.

      On February 11... 11 days after Trump acted, 11 days of the media bashing him as xenophobic, as having gone too far, of politicians coming out against him for doing even as much as he did.

      And even then idiot politicians told their people to ignore the threat and go to parades and parties, fools like De Blasio and Cuomo.

      March 2, 2020 NEW YORK (WABC) -- The first case of coronavirus has been reported in New York City. Both Mayor Bill de Blasio and Governor Andrew Cuomo said that the risk to New Yorkers remains low.

      They held a press conference together Monday morning to provide an update.  Governor Cuomo said he is more concerned about the perception and fear. "This isn't our first rodeo," the governor recalled SARS, MERS, Ebola, swine flu, etc.

      The governor shared a story about explaining to his daughter why she should not be overly concerned.

      "So far it does not seem to be a disease that focuses on our kids, in fact, the opposite," Mayor de Blasio said.

      "The woman who tested positive, she's at home. She's not even at a hospital," Cuomo said. "We should relax."

      So... if you think Trump acted slowly... what do you think about Cuomo and Blasio blowing it off as nothing, even as it arrived in NY?

      If it weren't for Trump, things would be far worse, and many more would be dead.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

        Got your usual Youtube video to link to, Ken? lol You're getting a bit slack....  tongue

        I doubt you even read the link I provided.

      2. tsadjatko profile image67
        tsadjatkoposted 15 months agoin reply to this

        Ken,

        of course Randy of the reputable site police,

        cites a CNN article based on an ABC article (says so in the CNN article with a link to the ABC article) both of which are getting their supposed information from anonymous sources and then quoting a retired Mulroy who knows nothing about a report’s details which the pentagon says didn’t exist.

        Randy doesn’t even know the pentagon commented on this and said:

        Wednesday night, the Pentagon issued a statement denying the "product/assessment" existed.

        "As a matter of practice the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters. However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists," the statement said.

        BTW the ABC article was updated to include the pentagon’s response but of course, the fake news CNN article doesn’t even mention it! CNN, Randy’s choice of a reputable site LOL.

        CNN headlines, lying again, but ripe for Randy to parrot! Talk about reputable sites he wouldn’t know one if it was stuck in one of his doobies of which he has said smoking them makes him smarter! LOL

    2. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

      Come on Randy, This is clearly fake news...

      First --
      "The report, which CNN has not independently verified, raised concerns because of the disease's potential threat to US military forces in Asia, ABC News reported."

      "The US military's National Center for Medical Intelligence (NCMI) compiled a November intelligence report in which "analysts concluded it could be a cataclysmic event," one of the sources of the NCMI's report told ABC News.
      The source told ABC News that the intelligence report was then briefed "multiple times" to the Defense Intelligence Agency, the Pentagon's Joint Staff and the White House.

      Repeated briefings were held through December across the US government, including the National Security Council, culminating in a detailed outline of the threat in the President's Daily Brief in early January, according to ABC News, whose report cited four sources briefed on the matter."

      Lastly,---  Statement was given by a real live source with a name and a face. 

      --- "NCMI denied the existence of the report later Wednesday, saying that "no such NCMI product exists."
      "As a matter of practice the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters," said Colonel Dr. R. Shane Day, the director of the NCMI, in a statement.
      "However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists," Day add"

      s.

      1. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

        And the Navarro memo?

        1. Live to Learn profile image78
          Live to Learnposted 15 months agoin reply to this

          Still waiting for your answer to my question.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

            Which one, Denise?

            1. Live to Learn profile image78
              Live to Learnposted 15 months agoin reply to this

              The only one I asked in this thread. I won't waste my energy reposting it. If you were willing to answer you would have done it the second time I asked why you weren't answering it.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                I responded to the only question I can find from you, Denise. If you don't want to ask it again, then hard cheese!

                1. Live to Learn profile image78
                  Live to Learnposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                  Here is your accusation you claimyou don't remember me questioning. What I'm implying is, Trump had foreknowledge about the seriousness of the coronavirus and wagered it wouldn't be as bad as predicted.

                  It's pretty clear what you are attempting to say. Whatever Trump may have known and when he knew it would follow the same timeline when every government in the free world would have been first alerted.

                  My question is are you encompassing all governments in this accusation? If not, please share why.

                  I just watched an interview with Dr. Fauci. He was running through the timeline of misinformation they received from China, why at different dates they chose different steps to take.

                  You need to explain why you've chosen to single out the American government, out of all responses worldwide, for your conspiracy theory. It appears it could be several things. Are we interacting with a partisan player whose only point is to try to disparage anything from the right...a CCP troll trying to shake any belief that the communist party in China carries any culpability for the outcome, or just a simple American too easily led by deceptive media reporting?

                  Please answer the first question posed and maybe we'll have an inkling of the answer to the question in the last paragraph.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                    Perhaps this answer your question as to how Trump mishandled the virus, Denise.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics … li=BBnb7Kz

                  2. profile image0
                    PrettyPantherposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                    I'm  confused. As Americans, we are understandably most concerned about the response from our own government . Have you closely followed the responses from governments around the world? I haven't, but even if I had, their competency or swiftness of response  would have no bearing on the quality or timeliness of Trump's response.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

          There is no evidence of Navarro's memos. Once again these are unproven reports. Navarro is Director of Trade and Manufacturing Policy? Not sure what he knew when  I provided you a timeline on another thread that indicates the Trump ad. I was already taking measures in late dec in regard to the Virus. There "memos that CNN speaks of were reported to
          Jan 29, can you produce a link of the factual memeos?

  2. Live to Learn profile image78
    Live to Learnposted 15 months ago

    Randy I'm curious about something. Whatever intelligence we had, I'm sure every government in the free world had the same. Are you implying there was an international conspiracy to endanger lives throughout the world by ignoring this?

    1. Randy Godwin profile image60
      Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

      What I'm implying is, Trump had foreknowledge about the seriousness of the coronavirus and wagered it wouldn't be as bad as predicted.

      Navarro got a memo, essentially saying the same thing.

      1. Live to Learn profile image78
        Live to Learnposted 15 months agoin reply to this

        Are you saying every government in the free world wantonly disregarded credible warning and disregarded all human decency by wagering that human life wasn't important?

        I'm just trying to wrap my head around the accusation. It's sounds like a conspiracy theory so I want to make certain I understand.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

          Read the link I provided and make up your own mind, Denise. I simply furnished the link. The memo is easy to find if you wish to see it.

          1. Live to Learn profile image78
            Live to Learnposted 15 months agoin reply to this

            The point is we had no information every other government didn't have access to. Considering our actions, and theirs, your implications are the same for any government other than ours.

            So, it's a simple question Randy. Do you stand behind the conclusions and accusations, knowing the accusation is against all world governments. Are you afraid or unwilling to answer?

            1. Randy Godwin profile image60
              Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

              Not in the least, Denise. Trump had plenty of warnings about the virus, but he chose to wager on it not being as bad as foretold.

              1. Live to Learn profile image78
                Live to Learnposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                You are passing judgement on all the governments of the free world on that one Randy.

                Those who can't do lay blame, I guess.

              2. Ken Burgess profile image89
                Ken Burgessposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                First case reported Dec 1, 2019 in China

                On Jan. 7, 2020, Chinese health authorities announced that they had isolated the virus spreading in Wuhan.  In other words, China said it was not a threat.

                How logical would it have been for Trump to do anything prior to when he acted in January?

                When he did act, the World Health Organization and the Democrats in DC attacked him for it.

                Keep supporting lies and spreading falsehoods Randy, it lets everyone know it doesn't matter what the facts are, so long as you can bash Trump and anyone you label a supporter of him.

                1. Live to Learn profile image78
                  Live to Learnposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                  And Randy refuses to answer a single question. Since whatever we knew every other government in the free world knew also...isn't he also bashing every government throughout the world? Isn't he saying every politician throughout the world turned a blind eye?

                  The allegations are preposterous. He appears to know his allegations boil down to nothing more than partisan b.s. because he keeps ignoring the question.

                  1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                    Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                    A link to "whatever we knew every other government in the free world knew also," would be helpful, Denise.

                2. Randy Godwin profile image60
                  Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                  Why don't you just post another Right-Wing Youtube video, Ken? That's more your style.

      2. Stevennix2001 profile image87
        Stevennix2001posted 15 months agoin reply to this

        Considering there were articles stating how human trials for the vaccine started around the exact same time as the government mandated shutdown of all non essential businesses, I think the WH probably was well aware of the situation as you said, but considering human trials were starting around this time tells me that the government was already implementing steps cure the virus if possible. 

        While I can't say Trump handled things the best, there's really not much more he could've done.  As far as him downplaying the coronavirus to the media until he had no choice but to acknowledge it publicly as a threat, I tend to chalk that up to him trying to prevent mass hysteria.  To quote Tommy Lee Jones, from "Men In Black", "A person is smart, but people are dumb and panicky and you know it."  There's a lot of truth to that.

        Heck a lot of corporations like Disney for example did the exact same thing.  They kept downplaying the shut down to their investors to keep their stocks from free falling, and they still are.  The government and big businesses know that if they told people the truth right away then people would be rioting in the streets.  Stocks would crash.  Crime would go up significantly if it hasn't already and it would make things worse than they already are. 

        Trump may be a lot of things but I'm sure even he knows this, which is why I think he was downplaying the threat for the longest time.  Was he lying to downplay the coronavirus threat at first?   Yeah but as i said before in another forum thread here.  All politicians lie.  Some lie more than others.

        1. Randy Godwin profile image60
          Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

          And Trump lies more than anyone, Steve. Check out his stats.

  3. Randy Godwin profile image60
    Randy Godwinposted 15 months ago
    1. Sharlee01 profile image85
      Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

      The memo if legitimate was composed on Feb 23,.. The president of Jan 23 had already placed a travel ban on China as well as a week later banned flights for the UK and Europe., February 29,  we had our first US death. As well Trump had already formed the Taskforce to combat the virus.on January 31: The Trump Administration:
      Declared the coronavirus a public health emergency? I guess we need further information from Navaro on what he knew that would have promoted him to write this alleged memo.

      Not sure way Navarro would have had any input as of yet on Feb 23 we were already aware there was a brewing problem, but not yet had a death.?

      PLus we have this ---
      "--- "NCMI denied the existence of the report later Wednesday, saying that "no such NCMI product exists."
      "As a matter of practice the National Center for Medical Intelligence does not comment publicly on specific intelligence matters," said Colonel Dr. R. Shane Day, the director of the NCMI, in a statement.
      "However, in the interest of transparency during this current public health crisis, we can confirm that media reporting about the existence/release of a National Center for Medical Intelligence Coronavirus-related product/assessment in November of 2019 is not correct. No such NCMI product exists," Day add"

      1. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 15 months agoin reply to this

        I think you have your dates mixed up Sharlee. The Navarro memo in question was dated January 29, and Pres. Trump's China travel ban, (restriction?), was dated January 31.

        But, and there is always a but, it does seem odd that Navarro's public statements—at the time—contradicted his thoughts in the memo.

        To me, his public statements after the time of the memo, (1/29), were suck-up contradictions to what he said in his first memo.

        Once again, to me, it sucks to have public officials think they have to publically praise the greatness of Trump as a preface or adjunct to their comments. It is embarrassing.

        GA

        1. IslandBites profile image91
          IslandBitesposted 15 months agoin reply to this

          Apparently, Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Alex Azar also warned President Trump multiple times about the threat and possibility of a coronavirus outbreak

          At the beginning of January, Azar was notified by Robert Redfield, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, about the virus, which was at the time spreading through the Chinese city of Wuhan. Azar then notified the White House and sent a report to the National Security Council, The Washington Post reported.

          Azar first briefed Trump about the threat the virus posed on Jan. 18 while the president was at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida, according to both the Post and The New York Times.


          Then, on Jan. 30, Azar briefed the president again on the virus, this time warning that it had the potential to become a pandemic, the Times reported. Trump reportedly told Azar that he was being alarmist.

          Once again, to me, it sucks to have public officials think they have to publically praise the greatness of Trump as a preface or adjunct to their comments. It is embarrassing.

          GA

          I agree.

          1. Ken Burgess profile image89
            Ken Burgessposted 15 months agoin reply to this



            The timeline of Trump's actions don't really support your "orange man bad" position, do they?

            After all he started restricting travel Jan 28 and closed travel to and from China on the 31st.

            And we all know even at that time China and the World Health Organization were saying there was no problem, and to keep travel open.

            Well, most of us know that.  Those of us who want to know the facts.

            March 20 report:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Kkw39g1pCQ

            March 23 report:
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5ArBH19Cu4

            I know China is now trying to play the blame America game, they are trying to appear to help the rest of the world combat it, but this is their virus, which they covered up rather than warning the world...

            After all China was building hospitals for it weeks before America even had one known case:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmgPVhubmQA

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoErujrHgAI

            Did you forget how the media was handling this even in February?:

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRggIb5Je_w

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

              I so appreciate all your research to find factual information. It amazes me how some just grab onto a byline or article that has no resources what so ever. You make it very hard on some though.

              1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                lol Shar, Ken never uses any links but Youtube. That's the only place he can find Right Wing propaganda to support his views.

                Desperation at its worst....

              2. Ken Burgess profile image89
                Ken Burgessposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                Thanks,  Its not worth arguing or debating, but it allows others who may read these threads easy access to information, for those looking to expand their knowledge.

                1. Randy Godwin profile image60
                  Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                  Subjective.....

                2. tsadjatko profile image67
                  tsadjatkoposted 15 months agoin reply to this

                  Shoot the messenger and when you obviously can’t make that work shoot the venue! LOL The best indicator of desperation caused by TDS.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

          Thank you for the correction. I agree Navarro's public statement contradicted the memos. Just my opinion but Navarro seems to be a "fast Talker", just seeming to make it up on the fly. In regard to the memos. At first, I thought the memos were fake due to the subject matter. However, I have not found any statement from him about denying the memos. So, they seem to be legitimate.

          IT is apparent many in Trump's circle suck up to him. I think most play the game to stay in his circle. We know what happens if he is rubbed the wrong way --- you're fired!

      2. Ewent profile image80
        Ewentposted 15 months agoin reply to this

        Check again. The first deaths were reported early in February in the state of Washington.

        And let's stop the games. Trump knew as he told the public, "before anyone else" and that means he had to know that delaying a public announcement or any kind of preparatory actions would end up in needless deaths.

        He waited 3 months before he decided to stop calling it a "hoax." Or blaming Obama or the Dems.

        If a man is that childish he cannot take responsibility and it results in American deaths, he does not belong in the White House.

        For Trump, this virus was never about protecting anyone but his own power aspirations.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image85
          Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

          No, you check... The first death was in Washington Feb 29, 2020

          https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/29/health/u … index.html

          You need to check the timeline not on what Trump said but what he did. Not up to me to reprogram you.

          Power aspirations?  I guess that's why he has worked daily to do everything he can to stop the spread and death toll. DEAD it would do you good.

          https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/time … ronavirus/

          Come at me with facts, dates... Not a full out rant

          1. Ewent profile image80
            Ewentposted 15 months agoin reply to this

            If all you can use for your FAKE facts are right wing pro Trump references, your idea of superiority is on track with a wilted magnolia.

            You are the one who needs reprogramming. Trump supporters are all flaming hypocrites who have guilt complexes up the wazoo.

            When they aren't lying about Trump on a daily basis, they are beating Bibles and into religious conversion mode.

            Fact: Trump called this virus a "hoax" But, here is the YouTube Ad your Liar in Chief tried to have banned before millions already saw it:
            Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9& … fGUpS5s7yA

            Do you want to pretend you don't hear the words out of Trump's OWN mouth too? Or that his face is not his?

            I come at you with facts you cannot and dare not FACE. Cowards do that. Not adult women who pretend they are oh so superior.

            You can't reprogram yourself much less anyone else. And who on earth would fall for your lil ole gal lies?

            1. Sharlee01 profile image85
              Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

              You come at me with facts.
              I see you did not address my link that actually proves you wrong for accusing me of posting a stat that was incorrect. No that was you... Our first death in the US was a Washington man that died on Feb 29th. GOT IT? Yes, I guess this will help reprogram you to a factual date.

              "Lil ole gal lies"  not sure what this refers to.  I proved the date as being true. I made no other claims or babbled on about anything. I kept my comment precise and offered resources.   Lies?

              .

        2. Ewent profile image80
          Ewentposted 15 months agoin reply to this

          Time for all guilt ridden Trump supporters to face the reality that we no longer trust Trump or your kind.

          It was Trump who called this virus a :"hoax." Deny what millions of others heard him say.

          If you right wingers think you will live off Dem state federal tax dollars, think again.l are not your cash cows. We can as easily cut out ALL federal funding and leave you and your Trump owned Federal government to rot. Who cares?

          1. Sharlee01 profile image85
            Sharlee01posted 15 months agoin reply to this

            Not sure where you feel you have the right to speak for all other citizens in America. I find this odd at best.

            Not sure where you get the idea that those on the right ar living off tax dollars. My tax dollar had to be spent on supporting New York and New Jersey due to their lack of keeping a stockpile to handle this virus. My tax dollar will also go toward bailing out citizens as well as businesses due to this crisis. I will not receive any funds in regard to a government's cash supplements to being handed out due to the amount of money I make a year. Yet I have paid taxes up the ass. 

            So, keep your blanket opinion to yourself.  You can cut off fed funding... Really, no there is one person that can initiate that, and that would be Trump. Luckily he has been very generous to all states during this crisis because if he had not been, you might be the one rotting. Yeah, who cares... Trump cared.

      3. Randy Godwin profile image60
        Randy Godwinposted 15 months ago

        I didn't realize Ken worked at the WH, but apparently he did or he wouldn't be able to give us such inside info on what they knew about the virus.  Either that or he watched the Tim Pool version on his favorite"news" source, Youtube.

      4. GA Anderson profile image92
        GA Andersonposted 15 months ago

        There is a bit more context to consider Dr.Mark.

        Just to whet your appetite;

        "Earlier this year, Perdue said the adverse wage rate has set almost a $15 minimum wage for agriculture, noting "no other business in the country has that," according to the agriculture trade journal DTN.

        The "adverse effect wage rates" are based on a USDA survey of what agricultural workers are paid in each state. It's $11.71 in Florida, $12.67 in North Carolina and $14.77 in California."


        Here is a good explanation from NPR: White House Seeks To Lower Farmworker Pay To Help Agriculture Industry

        GA

        1. DrMark1961 profile image96
          DrMark1961posted 15 months agoin reply to this

          Despite what NPR might have you believe, wages on the farm are set by the farmer and worker. If I offer my farm workers one dollar a day none of them will choose to work. The president does not have anything to do with it.

          1. Randy Godwin profile image60
            Randy Godwinposted 15 months agoin reply to this

            Correct, although some commercial farms may be different, and even offer more for some types of labor. Believe me, anyone loading watermelons in 100 % humidity, and 100+ degrees all day, deserves a few more bucks for their efforts.

          2. GA Anderson profile image92
            GA Andersonposted 15 months agoin reply to this

            Would they work if you offered them $10 per hour? The point of the article was that there are rules in place that already require wages above the national wage, and the inferred point I took from your comment, was that the president was trying to cut laborer wages below minimum wage. Maybe I misunderstood your point.

            I have not looked into this, and I am speaking to aboveboard employment—not under the table cash, but I think the NPR blurb means that any farmer that tried to legally pay less wages would get a visit from a government man.

            The president, (of course, I am speaking of U.S. rules and practices), may not have direct t influence on what a laborer is paid,  but their administration and the government certainly do.

            GA

       
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