President Biden is trying to repair America from Trump's damage.
To say that Donald Trump did all he could to impede President Biden from accomplishing the tasks America hired him to do is an understatement. He stooped so low that he fired, at 11:30 AM the chief Usher at the White House and sent most, if not all of the staff home. Consequently, there was nobody to open the White House door when the president and first lady arrived. That is the man who 70,000,000 million Americans think represents the best in American values. Is it no wonder Biden immediately set out to dig America out of the hole that Donald Trump dug for us.
Few presidents, if any, before Trump set out to wipe away the legacy of their predecessor. Granted, there were specific policies and agendas which the next president wanted to reverse, e.g. W's policy on torture. But by and large, each president turned the ship into a new direction rather than completely reverse course as Donald Trump did with regard to President Obama.
So what has President Biden done so far and was it designed to reverse bad policy from the Trump administration or institute new policy that Trump should have done, but didn't. Let's see:
* Biden rejoined the Paris Climate Accord recognizing the existential threat global warming poses to the world.(REVERSE Trump order)
* Rescind Muslim ban (REVERSE Trump order)
* Order FEMA and National Guards to set up mass vaccination centers (TRUMP SHOULD have done this, many lives would have been saved)
* Issued 100 day masking challenge asking all Americans to mask-up and social distance IAW CDC guidelines (TRUMP SHOULD have done this, many lives would have been saved)
* Mandated masking and social distancing in all federal properties (TRUMP SHOULD have done this, some lives would have been saved)
* Rejoined WHO so that America can have a seat at the table and influence responses to Covid-19 (REVERSE Trump order)
* Created a Covid-19 czar (non-political) to oversee vaccine production and distribution (TRUMP SHOULD have done this, many lives would have been saved)
* Rescinded the racist 1776 commission (REVERSE Trump order)
* Extended the moratorium on evictions
* Extended the pause on student loan repayments
* Cancelled the Keystone XL pipeline and ordered review of over 100 Trump actions on the environment (REVERSE Trump order)
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* Prevent workplace discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity
* Prevented non-citizens from being illegally excluded from the Census (REVERSE Trump order)
* Fortifies DACA after Trump tried to eliminate it
* Rescinds Trump's expansion of immigration enforcement within US borders (REVERSE Trump order)
* Halts construction of Trump's border wall (REVERSE Trump order)
* Rescinds Trump's regulatory process (REVERSE Trump order)
* Requires executive branch appointees to sign an ethics pledge barring them from acting in personal interest and requiring them to uphold the independence of the Department of Justice
* Increased SNAP benefits to hungry families with children and directed IRS to find very low income people who missed out on the original stimulus because they aren't required to file a 1040.
* Directed that federal employees and federal contractors pay a $15 minimum wage while at the same time getting rid of the civil service Schedule F which politized the civil service for the first time since the mid-1800s (the latter REVERSE Trump order)
Sorry about the long list, but there is more. He has done a lot in the first few days.WOW ! long list. Well documented --- Now we can watch, listen and see how all he has reversed works out or does not work out.
Yes, we will see how the nation becomes less prosperous. The great thing is we will be able to track exactly why and precisely how things start to dismantle,
if we are at all
intelligent ...
enlightened ...
observant ...
honest ...
brave.....Less prosperous than Trump? Give me a break.
GDP growth under Trump before the pandemic:
2017 - 2.3%
2018 - 3.0%
2019 - 2.2%
Overall 2.5% growth
Under Obama's last three years:
2014 - 2.5%
2015 - 3.1%
2016 - 1.7%
Over all is 2.4%
Since I think you have previously declared that Obama's growth was terrible, then I assume you will agree that Trump's growth was equally poor.
Like Bush, Trump left the next president with a dismal recession (granted, the 2020 recession, in total, is not as bad as as the 2008 recession because only the poor are hurt in Trump's recession) that his Biden must now. like Obama, pull America out of.I do think many of Biden's policies will do great harm to the country. But, I would be doing nothing at this point but predicting. I will wait to see how this all plays out. I have my eyes open and over the past few days, I am very concerned over ---
"WASHINGTON -- President Joe Biden's first calls to foreign leaders went to Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and Mexican President Andrés Manuel López Obrador at a strained moment for the U.S. relationship with its North American neighbors.
Mexico's president said Saturday that Biden told him the U.S. would send $4 billion to help development in Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala — nations whose hardships have spawned tides of migration through Mexico toward the United States.
López Obrador, who spoke Friday with Biden by phone, said the two discussed immigration and the need to address the root causes of why people migrate."
With all the problems we are having at this point, I think at this point until we can right our ship we need to work on spending money here before we start handling other counties' problems. And actually, we give aid to Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala already. I think America has always helped our neighbors and should continue this practice. But we have a huge crisis, we need to keep above water in order to help others. We go under, many countries would suffer.
Keep in mind, the Congress would need to approve this 4 billion Biden claimed he would send to Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireSto … r-75444816"I do think many of Biden's policies will do great harm to the country." - Which ones?
"With all the problems we are having at this point, I think at this point until we can right our ship we need to work on spending money here before we start handling other counties' problems." - So keeping migrants out of America isn't high on your priority list? I thought you supported Trump for doing just that.My basic thought is throwing money at this problem is not a clear solution. As I said I think America needs to help others that need help.
Trump at one point cut part of the aid to Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala, asking them to help stop the migration of their people due to our immigration crisis. They did help as did Mexico. Trump quickly brought the amount of aid back up due to the cooperation he was getting. Trump's administration continued to see people pour across the border, and now we have the caravans starting up again.
Trump's wall was to deter people from coming. It worked for a while but with Biden offering many benefits to illegal people that are here, and stating for his first 100 days there would be no deportations --- this has many coming to our borders hoping to be part of Biden's new policy.
https://time.com/5932518/president-joe- … mmigrants/
The immigration problem has been around for a very long time. Such a complex problem would truly be hard to solve."Trump's wall was to deter people from coming. It worked for a while " - the problem with that statement is that there was no new wall to speak of; 47 miles at last count.
Two things stopped the migrants: 1) Mexico at their southern border and 2) covid.
As to the aid. Trump cut all aid to these countries in March 2019. Then in June, after an uproar in Congress and everywhere else, he relented somewhat. Congress, in 2017. appropriated $615 million, which Trump refused to spend (was this legal?). In June, the State department allowed $432 million to be spent. An additional $370 million was withheld from the 2018 budget and has yet to be released.
So to say that "Trump quickly brought the amount of aid back up due to the cooperation he was getting" isn't the whole story. Also, the only data I could find on migration from those countries between March and June indicates it did not decrease. (BTW, Venezuela is the biggest source of migrants.)
"with Biden offering many benefits to illegal people that are here," - I have to ask - what benefits?
"this has many coming to our borders hoping to be part of Biden's new policy." - I didn't see this conclusion in your link.
As to the new caravans - I have an entirely different world view than you do regarding migrants coming to America.
First, our laws are all fouled up and were before Trump came to power. Their essential unfairness forced people who are fleeing terrible living conditions to do what they can to get to the safety of America. Also, what studies have shown is that by-and-large, those people who are fleeing unlivable conditions, when they do make it to America are:
1. More productive than their natural born counterparts
2. Less likely to commit serious crime than natural born citizens
3. Pay their taxes while using few resources those taxes are supposed to buy
4. More likely to seek better education when possible.
5. Do not take jobs from other Americans.
So, for those fleeing living conditions you wouldn't want your worst enemy to live in, I do not have a problem with them flocking to our border seeking asylum.The benefit includes access to public education, law enforcement services, and health care costs, and now Biden is hopeful to pass an immigration law to offer accelerated citizenship to those that are now in the US. However, now the caravans have begun again due to hoping to gain this citizenship.
To address 1. - 5. These are certainly good qualities. I live in Mexico much of the winter so I truly am aware of the Mexican people, their culture, the people are what made my husband, and I realize we wanted to set up a home, and each year we spend more and more time there.
Realistically I have a problem with opening the borders. I prefer immigration laws. As the majority of counties have. When I go to Mexico I must follow their laws. Which are very strict.
I blame no president for our border problems, we have had these very problems for many years. I think the immigration problems are here to stay.How is Biden giving them "access to public education, law enforcement services, and health care costs..." - I haven't read any of that in his EOs. Of course, I agree with his plans to improve immigration laws. It is the right thing to do in my opinion.
The "open borders" is simply a right-wing myth. It doesn't exist. And you are right, illegal crossings are a problem under many administrations and the problem is bad immigration laws. The fact is, border crossings were out of control under Bush. Obama brought them under control until the very end when our borders were overrun by children. They were brought back under control prior to Trump taking office. After he did, crossings varied from out of control to under control. Then with Covid, they went away.I can see I should have been more explicit, my mistake. Biden is president now, My statement " Biden offering many benefits to illegal people that are here in the country, as previous presidents have done. That includes all the benefits I mentioned. He also stated no illegals would be deported for 100 days. And his plan to initiate a policy that would accelerate citizenship. This gives many migrants GREAT incentive to try to make their way into America, to blend in, and hopefully be on Biden's proposed pathway to citizenship, and be offered all the current benefits that our current illegals have.
My Comment --Trump's wall was to deter people from coming. It worked for a while but with Biden offering many benefits to illegal people that are here, and stating for his first 100 days there would be no deportations --- this has many coming to our borders hoping to be part of Biden's new policy.
In my opinion, as I said, immigration is a big problem and has been now for decades. I can't see any great solutions to it at this point. Many from South American countries are suffering under their Governments and will continue to flock to our borders. Not sure we can change the world to the extent that will change oppressive Governments.Yes, Biden did put a halt to Trump's arbitrary and sometimes illegal and almost always unfair deportations. (BTW, Obama deported more non-citizens than Trump ever thought of doing and yes, some of those were unfair as well)
And I saw where Biden is making sure non-citizens get vaccines.
But I haven't seen where Biden (or Obama or Bush or Clinton) gave non-citizens access to public education, law enforcement services, and health care costs that they weren't already legally entailed to.
And why is immigration a big problem? Personally, I don't see where it is a big problem - most of the time.
Making immigrants the boogieman is a favorite ploy of xenophobes. Hitler made Jews the enemy. Hussein made the Sunni's the enemy. Jews make the Muslims the enemy. Muslims make Jews the enemy.
And then there is right-wing American's made Japanese-American's the enemy during WW II and Covid. Right-wing American's made Chinese the enemy back in the 1800s. Right-wing American's made Native American's the enemy - do you see a pattern here?
So, what concrete proof do you have that immigrants are a big problem to America?Legal immigration - nothing wrong with it. Problem is, people are abusing the system and violating our laws. If we're going to stand behind enforcing our laws on impeachment, we better be equally passionate about doing so on immigration.
I think that is called a false equivalency.
The immigration laws, as they now stand, beg for abuse, not so the laws on impeachment (here, it is many of the Republicans who abuse the laws by voting not to convict an obviously guilty man for purely political reasons).
I suppose if all speed limits were 20 MPH, even on 6-lane highways, you would obey them? My guess is you wouldn't and, in fact, don't obey them now when it suits you. If you did, you would be 1 in 250 million Americans.
Instead, the laws need to be fair, reasonable, and in our interests. They are not and the Republicans are fine with that.
I suppose you (the large, gender neutral you) would be a reasonable person and obey America's unjust immigration laws if you were a mother in Honduras with teenage daughters who get raped and teenage boys who get kidnapped and put in gangs. That you would do the right thing and turn down the chance to get into the United States, legal or illegal. Well that is the choice many of those people have and I know I would chose to continue to watch my daughters be raped.You're kidding, right? The entire term 'crimes and misdemeanors' is probably the most debatable phrase that exists in our government. And the question of whether a president can pardon oneself has still not been answered by the courts.
I think if the police actually had the manpower to enforce the speed limit laws, we would all drive the speed limit. Imagine if there were cameras on the highway that could track speed and would automatically ticket you when you cross the speed limit. No one would speed, it would be too costly.
You may want to look over that last sentence and consider an edit - you read as a monster.It is amazing what leaving out a word will do. The last sentence SHOULD read "I know I would chose NOT to continue to watch my daughters be raped." and then append, something like "it is a shame that those who oppose them trying to reach safety seem to be okay with".
Now that you're less monstrous, going back...what exactly makes our immigration laws unjust to someone in Honduras? We don't owe them anything. And if you're going to claim that immigrating to the US is the only option available, I would debate that as well.
To take you last question first, where else do they go? Where else as anybody gone throughout the history of America. What other country says
"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
That is what America is supposed to stand for.
To your first question.
Here is a list put together by the very conservative Cato Institute.
1. A far too restrictive system overall.
2. Static immigration quotas.
3. Quotas on nationalities—the law micromanages immigrant demographics.
4. Immigrants wait in line for decades.
5. Immigrant workers are counted against multiple quotas.
6. There’s a limit for immigrants with “extraordinary ability”.
7. Workers without college degrees only get 5,000 green cards.
8. The president can end the refugee program unilaterally.
9. No immigration category for entrepreneurs.
10. No way to create new immigration categories without congressional action.
11. Immigrants generally cannot apply for permanent residency on their own.
12. Spouses and minor children of new immigrants count against the quotas.
13. There’s a quota on new spouses and minor children of current permanent residents.
14. Children of temporary workers grow up here, wait in line with their parents for permanent residency, and get kicked out of line on their 21st birthday.
15. Immigrants can live here for decades without receiving permanent residency.
16. Illegal immigrants cannot leave and reapply to return legally.
17. Spouses and children of temporary workers are banned from working.
18. The law requires immigrants to pretend that they don’t want to immigrate.
19. Forcing employers to advertise positions that are already filled.
20. Temporary workers cannot easily change jobs.
21. No temporary visas at all for year-round workers without college degrees.
22. Noncitizens can access federal welfare programs after five years.
23. The president can ban any immigrants that he doesn’t like.
24. No opportunity to appeal visa denials.
25. The burden of proof is on immigrants and their sponsors, not the government.
26. America has closed borders with a few holes.
https://www.cato.org/blog/why-legal-imm … t-problems
With this one, you will need to download the PDF. Even though it is from 2009, things have only gotten worse.
https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil. … ion-system
This is more current and from the Chamber of Commerse.
https://www.uschamber.com/series/above- … eed-fix-itYes, back in the day, I would have agreed that give us your tired, poor, and hungry was acceptable. Now that we're running trillion dollar deficits, I would disagree that we have the infrastructure to handle taking care of so many immigrants. We can't even handle our own tired, poor, and hungry citizens. Let's get a handle on them and then be generous within our bounds.
I have a crazy thought -- Do you think if we just inforced out old current immigration set of laws it would help with the problem? I am serious not being sarcastic. Our laws are not all that bad, just not enforced.
Enforce just one of them - the requirements to obtain a job - and it would virtually end the illegal alien problem within the country. We would still have the problem with crime across the border - drug running, trafficking, etc. - but that can be handled. Our problem is that we refuse to do anything about the hordes living here illegally with more coming every day, and Biden's "solution" (to once more make them all citizens) only makes the problem worse.
"Enforce just one of them - the requirements to obtain a job - " - THere you go again, spewing myths. On average, undocumented immigrants do better in finding and holding jobs, in spite of all of the obstacles, than regular citizens. I have provide that data to you previously.
Of course it does. Biden is only going to make the situation worse. The illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from lower socioeconomic class Americans who need these jobs. They will be overburden our social services. Biden & the Democrats are using these people as a future voting block. Biden simply want more Democrats.
"The illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from lower socioeconomic class Americans who need these jobs. " - IS A RIGHT-WING myth. Simply not true, but then you probably believe Trump won the election to.
how could anyone not see the writing on the wall?
Of course it is a myth. When I see carpenters picketing a framing company that hires illegal aliens, at a very low wage, it is a myth. And when ICE "happens" by and those same workers disappear, forcing the company to hire union labor at a near ruinous cost to them in order to fill their contract, it is a myth.
Not.The facts simply do not back your scant anecdotal evidence. Facts I have provided to you before.
Nope, it is the laws that are the problem and Trump spent four years "enforcing" them and destroying lives in the process.
Do you agree that without immigration, our population, and therefore our GDP, will decline? It is true.
We had lots of our own tired, poor, and hungry 50 years, 100 years, 150 years ago. In fact, they were a much larger percentage of the population than they are today - and that is when immigration was going full swing.
How many undocumented do we have today? 11, 12 million? That represents, what, 3% of our total population? If our infrastructure can't handle that then we are on the verge of collapse as a country, don't you think?Indeed, but we have over 40 million living in the US who were born elsewhere - that's close to 12%. So almost a quarter of the immigrants (some 11-12 million as you say) broke our laws to get here - you could almost make the case that we're a lawless country with those kinds of numbers.
And back 50, 100 and 150 years ago, our country was not 27 trillion dollars in debt. Time have changed. And yes, our infrastructure is crumbling - health care, roads, pollution, and even education is overwhelmed.We ARE a lawless country. Or at least well down the road to becoming one. One has only to look at the riots in Portland, or at the refusal of Obama to follow the law, instead creating a massive second class of people in the country to understand that.
Interestingly, I heard on the news today that the DHS has concluded that the capital riots will probably encourage others to do the same - what I didn't hear was that the year long parade of riots just might have "encouraged" that last one, at the capital. It seems pretty straightforward to make that connection, but...The reason why I refuse to accept the term Capitol riots is because it was an actual attempt to stop our government from certifying an election, making it an armed insurrection. And members of that insurrection were actively hunting and looking to do harm to our elected officials such as Pelosi and Pence.
"We ARE a lawless country. " - yes, thanks to systemic racism and Trump.
The PROTESTS were to bring attention to a "lawless" portion of law enforcement and justice. It is unfortunate that anarchists on both the Right and the Left took the opportunity to riot - (something you apparently do not have the ability to make a distinction between, based on previous comments - to you, it seems a peaceful protest is equal to a riot)
An INSURRECTION is a violent attack on the seat of government to prevent its operation. That was what happened at the Capitol and it was instigated by Donald John Trump. It wasn't a peaceful protest. It was a planned, coordinated attack by the violent right-wing domestic terrorists who bought, like you apparently do, Trump's BIG LIE and that Trump assembled and sent on their way to do his dirty work. And they aren't done.
And then back to the speeding. You seem so worried about lawbreakers, why aren't you turning yourself in every time you speed. You do know you are being hypocritical, don't you? Until you do, why should I take your protestations about somebody else's equally serious and less potentially deadly misdemeanor of another sort seriously?
Yes, we have a lot of debt (thank you very much Trump), but I am not sure that is an issue. Why? Because we had no infrastructure to speak of back then. But yes, health care is very stressed (again, thank you Trump), roads have just gotten worse (but with all those immigrants, we will have plenty of people to repair them once Biden gets a real infrastructure plan through), pollution use to be on the mend, but not in last four years, and yes, our education sucks once they stopped teaching the basics like civics and government and history.
And you must have missed my point earlier, without increased immigration, a lot of them, this country will fall into economic collapse. There is a simple little formula that works in the long-term.
GDP growth = Population growth + Productivity growth. American population stopped growing on its own a couple of decades ago. The only think that keeps America growing is immigration, legal and illegal.Because for me, speeding is not punishable by law enforcement. I have a Trump defense in that I am exempt from that law due to a close family member being in law enforcement and they do not enforce speeding laws on each other. Which goes to my point - with greater enforcement, my behavior would be modified dramatically.
Considering Trump is only responsible for 28% of the nation's debt, not sure it's fair to assign all the blame to him. And in terms of education and healthcare, it's more a quantity of usage issue that I was referencing. Our schools and hospitals only have so much space and employees.
And I disagree that growing America is in the best interests. I'm more concerned with GDP to Debt ratios. I'm more concerned with climate issues that grow with an increased population. Look at India and China - terrible for climate.
And instead of just GDP, I would rather we focus on GDP per Capita which would equate to more wealth among fewer people. Let's take an example of that. The US has a GDP of 20.6 trillion in 2019. Population of 328 million. Those divided is 65,000 and change. China - 27 trillion, population of 1.43 billion gives them a 19,000 and change per capita. Bigger isn't always better.Agreed. What Mr. Esoteric fail to acknowledge is that lower populated countries are the affluent countries while countries with high populations are the ones that are impoverished. Yes, countries with high birth rates are the ones who are poverty stricken. Bigger in this circumstance is always worse. Mr. Esoteric should read Dr. Ehrlich's book THE POPULATION BOMB. The book explains the issue of population well.
As for more immigration to America, at this point America doesn't need more immigrants, especially those who are unskilled & uneducated. Such people will only burden America's weak economy. In my opinion, immigration should be curtailed until America recovers socioeconomically. If there is immigration, admit only those who have high/needed skills that could profit the economy.Except populations between nations is not what I am talking about. I am talking about US GDP and only US GDP and the impact of the US population (or lack thereof) on keeping that growing. So I will refocus:
Lower US population over time means lower GDP growth over time.
Lower productivity growth over time means lower GDP growth over time.
"Because for me, speeding is not punishable by law enforcement. ", LOL. Tell that to the cop who gives you the ticket.
"Considering Trump is only responsible for 28% of the nation's debt, not sure it's fair to assign all the blame to him. " - When the RIGHT WING stops blaming Obama for the steep rise in debt, I will consider it. But unitl then, it is the Goose-Gander thing.
"And I disagree that growing America is in the best interests. " - Does this mean you prefer GDP to decline? I am confused.
GDP per capita works fine when 1) you are comparing nations or 2) you are comparing very long time spans for the same nation, neither of which we are doing at the moment. Beyond those two reasons, GDP per capita and straight GDP are basically equivalent in meaning. And what we are considering is if you want the US GDP to continue to grow or not.
OK, let's kick all immigrants out of the US. Are you willing to live with a rapidly declining GDP that will result?
Your first question says it all: "...where else do they go?"
And the answer is nowhere. Americans bought their country, and the price was great quantities of blood, sweat and tears. They paid a blood price in the coal mine wars of West Virginia, they paid with blood in the wagon caravans moving West, they paid again fighting the Mafia in Detroit and other cities. They paid in the sweatshops of the East and they paid again in the gold rushes of California and Alaska. They paid and they paid and they paid and the price was never money.
Other countries have a similar history. England came through the middle ages and the concept of serfs. Scotland fought endless battles with invaders, and Germany survived Hitler and millions of deaths to become what it is today.
And now we have millions wanting to skip the payment and demand that those same Americans that paid for their own prosperity and freedom also pay for those that don't like the price. They are welcome to ask Americans for help turning their own country into the utopia they see in America, but they are NOT welcome to simply come and demand that Americans give them that same prosperity without ever paying the price that others have had to pay for it.
Regardless of the insinuation that the American people are responsible for creating that word wide utopia that America is seen as by those wanting to participate without paying the cost (where else can they go?) the onus of that creation is on the people that want it. Not others that already paid a huge price for their little corner of sanity in this world.I'll ignore all the sanctimonious BS, but this part is so 'funny'..
demand that those same Americans that paid for their own prosperity and freedom also pay for those that don't like the price.
So different from your stance on slavery and racism. Ha!I'm failing at equating the morality of slavery to demanding, illegally, that others provide what you want but don't want to pay for. Can you explain and expound on that?
"I'm failing at equating the morality of slavery to demanding, illegally, that others provide what you want but don't want to pay for. " - you will have to explain your foundation for that false statement first. Where is your data that what you claim is true?
I'm lost again - what false statement did I claim was true? That illegal aliens are here illegally or that they don't want to pay the price for changing their own country?
I see you added "...changing their own country". Why didn't you say that the first time?
Well, let's see. It is women and children (who make up most of who want to get here) who are getting killed, raped, and kidnapped who you want to form an army to attack their attackers ... is that what you are saying?Sorry - I thought that was clear. If they stay home then the only place to change is home.
I guess those same women and children, if they can't get males to join them. It's not as if American women and children did not die in our efforts to make America what it is.
Eso, I'm not much into the tears and moans of the emotional methodology of making decisions. I will try my best to remain objective, to set emotional responses on the back burner. You may or may not - the comment about women and children tends to indicate that you do not - but you will have to read my comments for what they say, not for how many tears they can produce.
and this "And now we have millions wanting to skip the payment and demand that those same Americans that paid for their own prosperity and freedom also pay for those that don't like the price." is the conservative myth.
Those people are coming to America for exactly the same reason your parents, grandparents, or great grandparents, or whichever generation of your past immigrated to America. For the hundredth time, studies clearly show those that make it to America fleeing oppression elsewhere end up being better citizens than the lazy asses here who won't stoop to work in the fields.
We don't owe them anything.
Maybe try reading about the US intervention in Honduras.Reading about Honduras' military coup didn't really alter my opinion.
That's why you should read. It's not (only) about that.
I have read...I still think that our choice not to involve ourselves more does not make us culpable.
"Not to involve ourselves"?
Then you didnt read enough.Why don't you stop being so coy and lay out your case if you're so passionate about the topic? This back and forth pussyfooting has grown tiresome.
Its not about passion, and I wont give a history lesson here. You dont have to change your opinion. (I still think it could be a more educated one.)
But based on your ideas/general forum participation, I think you should read more about it. That's all.
"But I haven't seen where Biden (or Obama or Bush or Clinton) gave non-citizens access to public education, law enforcement services, and health care costs that they weren't already legally entailed to."
I did not mean Biden was responsible for those benefits. These are benefits that illegal immigrants have been getting for many years. I was pointing out when you add those benefits to the 100 days of no deportations, and Bidens talk of a better pathway to citizenship --- it was adding to incentive to get over the border during these 100 days with hopes of blending in and getting on the path to speeder citizenship.
I have no real idea if illegal immigrants are causing problems. I support that our current immigration laws be followed or changed. I have no problem with people immigrating to America, I like the idea of Merit-Based Immigration, and carefully assessed asylum-seeker.
Let me add a few of more things President Biden has, or will, do.
* Reversed Trump's order to allow travel from Brazil and parts of the EU. (REVERSE Trump order)
* Reverse Trump's order that bans transgender people from serving in the military (REVERSES one on Trump's more disgusting orders)
Coming this week:
* Sign "Buy American" day that will "strengthen requirements for procuring goods and services from sources that will support US businesses and workers."
* Create a policing commission and reinstate Obama-era policy on the transfer of military-style equipment to local law enforcement.
* Establish steps to improve prison conditions and eliminate the use of private prisons.
* Formally disavow discrimination against the Asian American and Pacific Islander community
* "rescind the Mexico City Policy and review the Title X Domestic Gag Rule" - the next Republican president will rescind this and the next Democratic president will rescind that.Indirect benefit of Biden's election: Trump considering a new party-The Patriot Party-allowing principled Republicans to separate from unprincipled ones; not to mention-Q'annon and its dangerous and stupid conspiracies can shut up.
If you believe this, I have a mansion to sell you for $400.00. Biden is only going to make America worse-MUCH WORSE.
How can it get any WORSE??? The former, thank god, President of the United States led a DEADLY insurrection against the people of America. Based on your comment, I would not be surprised if you were one of those who attacked the Capitol (or wanted to) at the behest of Trump.
Well it is official. Trump's 2020 economy was the worst since 1946 - and it didn't have to end up that way.
That is ridiculous... He broke so many barriers pre-pandemic. I would guess if it were a Dem President that accomplish all Trump did pre-pandemic your post would be much different. And I am sure at this point you will give Biden a break saying he inherited a failing economy. You should really realize your way of thinking is very flawed. Common sense and fact should show you that Trump's economy was history-making pre-pandemic. And common sense should tell you no president could be held accountable for such a once in our history crisis bringing down the economy.
He was a real problem solver, and we sure in the hell could use him now, because we face some very bad times ahead, and we need a man with Trump's problem-solving abilities. We now have a guy that is a pure politician that never offered anything in regard to solving any form of problem.Ridiculous? You don't get to exclude his final year in the same way Obama doesn't get to exclude his first two years from deficit spending.
-Trump had the worst job creation of any modern president.
-Trump added nearly $8 trillion to the national debt in just four years.
-Unemployment went from 4.2% to 6.7% (at Trump's best he only moved it from 4.2% to 3.5% while Obama moved it from 10% to 4.2%).
-The stock market is propped up on $7 trillion of printed money from the FED which is set to cause hyper-inflation and a major correction at some point this year, which you will blame Biden for, of course.
-His mismanagement of the pandemic destroyed any progress he made, that's on him.So you don't count his years up to the COVID crisis? I have witnessed selective thinking but whatever gets you through the day. Trump broke every record in Jobs's creation, and so much more. And by reading your statement in regard to propping up the economy with the 7 trillion -- so what would you have suggested a president do? No really, do you have an opinion that something could have been done differently in regards to propping up the economy? He could have fought to keep his economy rolling along, he shut it down. Many of us are still pretty much shut down, and still have draconian mitigations, but have the very worse stats in the country. This is a virus, it kills, it will not go away until we have a huge percent of our country vaccinated. That is the science. and unless Biden comes up with a way to get tons of vaccines we are going to have COVID around until it decides to kill itself by mutating and destroying itself, which is unlikely.
It is clear you rely on the Government to put band-aids on problems. There is no band-aid for COVID. Consider all the countries in the world that are doing so badly, are all their leaders inept, are they all at fault?
Do some research on the science of viruses. You may realize the true science of the problems they cause, how they live, and how they can be destroyed. Blame the virus, not one man...
https://theconversation.com/the-origina … ame-138177I count all four of his years, as I said. Not just the three you want to cling to.
And your claim that Trump broke every record in jobs creation is a downright fabrication. Jobs under Trump, even pre-pandemic were worse than Obama. Unemployment rates followed the same trendline Obama left him, so they continued down until Trump mismanaged the pandemic and then rose significantly.
As for your case of Covid - not all the countries of the world are doing poorly with it. There are plenty who have excelled at containment. Considering our technology, we should have been one of them but we had an administration working against the science and how to manage the virus - that is a fact. That blame falls squarely on the functional illiterate people like you elected.Are you assuming that Obama's policies of over regulation and poor trade policies would have continued the slide in unemployment from the high during the recession to the all time low that Trump produced? That seems like quite a stretch. Excessive regulations, high taxation and unfair trade policies would not seem to encourage job creation...except after the extreme figures we saw in the recession. All Obama did was return us to what we saw before the recession (in the slowest recovery on record); Trump's policies continued that downward trend into uncharted territory, territory that all predictions said could never happen.
But it was those punitive business policies that was the cause of the records set during Trump's "reign"? I don't think so.Are you calling a 4.2% unemployment rate high when all of those regulations existed? Considering Trump could only bring it down another 7/10th of a percent in three years, was there really a negligible difference by having regulations versus not? And if stripping all those regulations helped so much, why in his first three years did it only produce 6.6 million non-farm jobs while in the final three years of Obama's term, there were 8.1 million non-farm jobs created?
Glad you brought up trade. If Trade's trade policies were so good, why has the trade deficit increased with China and even increased our deficit with our NAFTA partners by another 11%? Trade is another failed Trump policy, according to the data.
And I love how you claim it was the slowest recovery ever. As Trump leaves office, how did the recovery end up from Obama's term? Oh, yeah, more unemployed, higher deficits, hyper-inflation on the horizon. That's not recovery, it's a setback. I'll take a recovery over what Trump's left any day.Well, yes. As we saw record unemployment, in spite of increasing population and illegal workers, I would say that deregulation, lower taxes and fairer trade practices did produce a significant change. Now, you can disagree, believing against all the evidence, that higher taxes, etc. would have produced the same result - that business was pleased and happy to expand and build because there was a lower profit for them. After all, we saw years and years of higher unemployment with those policies, we saw years and years of companies foregoing the US for their operations, we saw imports steadily overtaking our own production as our blue collar workers were forced from their jobs.
Personally it seems to me that what we saw was exactly what should be expected when we hobble local business and factories. Reasonable unemployment as people have to eat, after all, but also a steady decrease in standard of living as the high paying jobs went elsewhere.You talk of 'against all the evidence' and yet provide none in your post. I supply the actual data, also known as actual evidence, that Obama's final three years, using the policies you believe to be job killers, actually led to 1.5 million more jobs created than in Trump's first three years.
And that record unemployment is just as easily attributed to the already existing trendline as I noted it dropping during the seven years prior to Trump taking office as Obama lowered the unemployment rate from 10% to 4.2% using policies of regulation.
And as noted, those trade policies you think helped have only caused trade deficits to rise further. Lower taxes have led to higher national deficits as there were no cuts to spending. Those are both verifiable facts.That's what I said! Obama, coming off the worst recession in our history, had decreasing unemployment. I just questioned whether his policies, in effect for years and years (long before Obama), were responsible for the continued unemployment decline to a point that we had not seen in decades. That doesn't make sense to me, particularly when we saw a far more business friendly environment created before they fell to those historic lows.
We disagree on the cause of those historic lows, that's all. You give credit to policies (forget who was president) that had been in effect for years and never produced such low employment; I give credit to policies that aided business and encouraged them to expand and build, to return to the country, and to pay higher wages than ever before as that record low unemployment created a sellers market for labor. A part of it probably belongs to a stronger "immigration" policy as well - fewer employees means more jobs for those that are here and higher wages as well - but am unwilling to commit to that.
I am very disappointed in the deficit spending, even after discounting for what was spent due to the pandemic, but am unwilling to put the blame on the president alone. Our entire legislature has a very bad spending habit, one that they see no reason to curtail.I am in agreement that we can both be right as to why unemployment numbers came down. That both may have helped the cause.
And agreed that Congress is also to blame for deficits as they ultimately control the purse strings." I just questioned whether his policies, in effect for years and years (long before Obama), ..." - I have lost the thread on this. Who is the "his" being referred to? Is this Bush or Clinton?
I think the unemployment hit historic, or near historic lows under Clinton. It rose under Bush to start with, then declined to a reasonable level until it shot up with the recession. Obama brought it back under control and below Bush's best numbers. Trump continued Obama's rate of decrease until the last half of 2019 when it leveled off, until Covid hit.
So how does that fit into the narrative.As I recall, unemployment fell to a low that had not been seen for over 50 years under Trump's policies.
...From 4.2% to 3.5%. A .7% improvement in three years, and following trends that had been occurring since October of 2009 when it dropped from 10% to 4.2%.
I do believe that's what I said - the lowest unemployment in decades, and lower than all the economists said could ever happen again. You make my point for me.
No, your point was that it was Trump's policies that were responsible for the low unemployment. That can't be true since he signed no policies that would have achieved that result on their own.
The best you can give Trump credit for is not doing enough things to stop the trajectory that Obama started. That said, he did try to reverse it with his terrible trade war that put so many farms out of business.
So no, your point was proved to be wrong.Like MyE notes....you give Trump that credit when it was on that trajectory long before Trump assumed office. It likely would have dropped another .7% with or without Trump based on the trendline.
And, as I have stated, the same type of policies (high taxes, excessive regulation, poor trade treaties, high energy prices, weak border control, etc.) had been in effect for a long, long time.
But when those things were changed suddenly the unemployment dropped to a 50 year low. Which you credit to those things that hurt business and stifle job creation.
Doesn't make much sense to me - does it really make sense to you? Remove things hampering job creation, jobs increase, so the very things that you removed, that had been in place for decades, are the cause of more jobs. Just not following the logic here.
As Biden is on track to renew those failed policies I guess we'll see. If Biden can repeat that historic low unemployment in, say, years 2-4 of his term I will bow to your superior economic knowledge.You forced me to ask, what "high taxes, excessive regulation, poor trade treaties, high energy prices, weak border control" are you talking about? Can you provide examples?
The last time I remember "high" taxes was back in the 70s, I think. As regulations improved so did our environment - a lot, corporations found it a lot harder to rip people off, etc. Gas prices were very low at the end of Obama's administration, lower than Trump left them. Borders were open under Bush, Obama did a pretty good job controlling. Trump had a mixed record along with a deplorable human rights record.
Jobs increased A LOT under Clinton and Obama, much better than under Bush and Trump - so what is your point?
And how is Biden on track to renew those so-called "failed policies"?
We will see if Biden can repeat them. First, Biden must (and is) finally get Covid under control after Trump failed so miserably at it. Once that happens, by Summer we hope, the economy can get back on track. Then all of those people covid put out of work can go back. It is just a crying shame, Trump didn't start it sooner - but then, he is Trump after all and didn't know how.What taxes did Trump reduce (outside of the income tax on nearly everyone in the country)? What business regulations did he cancel? What was the price of gas during the last 10-15 years and what is it now? How much border wall did we use to have and how much do we have now? How did Trump change the policies about illegal aliens?
You already know the answer to all of these, and it is the same answer to your first paragraph. Now, you can claim that gas prices were under $2 during Obama's time, but we both know that to be false, just as we both know they went up as soon as Biden took office and began his program to cut oil production.
If you don't know what Biden is doing to change those "failed policies", take a look at his tremendous pile of EO's (more than any other president in history for the first month). You will find a lot of them right there."What taxes did Trump reduce " - Very little on most people (and his tariff taxes ate all or more of that up), an increase on some (plus the tariff taxes), who benefitted from the tax scam? The rich who didn't needed it and big corporations who abused the benefit. Taxes need to go back up on the rich and corporations.
Let's see how truthful you are about oil/gas prices.
From 1971 to 1984 (almost all Republican) the oil prices ranged from $60 to $120 (2016$) a barrel.
Then from 1984 to 2002 (mostly Democrat) it ranged from $20 to $40 a barrel.
Then from 2002 to 2013 (mostly Republican) it ranged from $60 to $140 a barrel.
For the rest of the Obama term oil prices hovered around $50 per barrel
For most of Trumps term, they hovered around $60 per barrel, until covid. SO, you want to try that again?
How much new border wall did Trump build?? 47 miles!!!
What regulations did Trump get rid of? How about ones that let big corporations rip you off or endanger your life through mercury poisoning as well as other carcinogens, or releasing more methane into the atmosphere - he is clearly a dangerous man when it comes to deregulating.
With "Now, you can claim that gas prices were under $2 during Obama's time, " you are simply lying again.
Yes, let's look at those EOs. What terrible things did Biden do:?
* He rejoined the Paris Climate Accord to help save the world. Yet, terrible.
* He got rid of Trump's Islamophobic Muslim ban. You know, the one that only hurt people and did not protect America from the real terrorists - his friends the right-wing domestic terrorists. Yep, that is bad as well
* Oh yes, here is a real horrible idea, let people out of work sign up for ACA; Trump thought that was a horrible idea as well.
Shall I go on?Good. You recognize the things Trump ended. Now all you have to do is admit the obvious truth; that high corporate taxes (highest in the world) hurts business. That excessive regulation hurts business. That illegal aliens hurts workers. And so on - all obvious truths.
Of course, you still promote that idea that banning travel for anyone and everyone from countries rife with terrorists, countries that do not vet their travelers, is a "Muslim ban". An obvious fallacy and nothing but a play on words, but one that just won't die, particularly as most of the Muslim world was NOT included in the ban.The only thing tax cuts affected was a record in stock buybacks. Everything else remained consistent, based on data.
https://markets.businessinsider.com/new … 1028780773
Deep dive into deregulatory effects: https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/files/11 … eport11012"The only thing tax cuts affected was a record in stock buybacks. Everything else remained consistent, based on data."
Except that after the cuts (and other steps) the job market grew considerably. Growth that you attribute to the policies that had for decades produced higher unemployment.
It seems reasonable to me that giving business more of the income they earn will result in a willingness to risk expansion. You disagree, feeling that taking more of their earnings produced that same willingness. That reducing the return from risk results in eagerness to take that risk.
We disagree, that's all. As I said, we will find out as Biden is again reducing the return to business - if we see that reducing that return produces more jobs then I will bow to your superior economic/business acumen. If cancelling jobs in oil drilling, or the pipeline, produces more jobs rather than fewer then you will be shown correct. If encouraging China to steal from our businesses produces more jobs than you will be correct. If welcoming illegal aliens into the country produces jobs for Americans you will be correct (although the rate of compensation may raise it's ugly head here). We will see job growth as we solve the pandemic issue, but I do not see us returning to those historic low unemployment numbers as a result of Biden's policies cancelling Trumps work."Except that after the cuts (and other steps) the job market grew considerably. " - ANOTHER Wilderness falsehood - no it didn't, save for a temporary spurt. You should listen to real news every once in a while.
You keep repeating a lie with "Growth that you attribute to the policies that had for decades produced higher unemployment. ", which I just proved to you earlier.
"It seems reasonable to me that giving business more of the income they earn will result in a willingness to risk expansion. " - YES, it does seem reasonable, but that (as predicted) is not what they did - they took the gift and ran. No job growth, very little investment - just stock buy-backs and higher wages for the already wealthy.
"We disagree, that's all. " - No, it is no longer about disagreement, the facts (which have been presented to you many times) are against you.
Beyond Keystone, which should not have been started in the first place for obvious reasons, what oil drilling or pipeline jobs has Biden cancelled?
Another Wilderness falsehood - " If encouraging China to steal from our businesses .,,"
Another Wilderness falsehood - "If welcoming illegal aliens into the country ... " Nobody on our side does that.
A rare Wilderness truth - "We will see job growth as we solve the pandemic issue, "
List some of these so-called "Trump's work" that was so good for job creation? I expect a blank list.I don't see anything to be gained by posting a list of "Trump's work" - you will simply say it was foolish and therefore did not produce jobs as if being a wrong decision (in your opinion) did not produce the result. Just as you do for the pipeline and the oil search/drilling. Besides, you already know quite well what was done.
And I got a blank list as predicted.
You don't produce a list of Trump's works because it doesn't exist. I have, on occasion here and elsewhere, posted when I thought a Trump action was good for the country.
If he did something that actually produced jobs, I would say so - but, I haven't seen where he has. What I know "quite well" is that Trump did little to increase jobs. In fact, here is his dismal record for the oil and gas industry,
January job numbers:
2010 - 156,500
2011 - 162,700
2012 - 181,300
2013 - 193,200
2014 - 193,900
2015 - 198,900
2016 - 187,000
2017 - 149,600
2018 - 141,300
2019 - 142,400
2020 - 155,800
Please point out to me, if you can, where in that data set that it shows Trump did as well as you claim. It seems to me you ought to be giving OBAMA a lot of credit, not trump.
Sorry, Wilderness, your fake news right-wing media embarrassed you again.
You still live in a fantasy world. High corporate taxes is, for the most part a myth of the right-wing. The EFFECTIVE corporate tax rate was on par with the rest of the world. Why don't you admit to the truth of that?
"excessive regulation hurts business." - who says they are excessive other than those who want to line their pockets with money while people die from their pollution or go broke because of their rip offs? It seems you prefer the latter outcome - why?
"That illegal aliens hurts workers. " - AGAIN you hang onto a right-wing talking point and urban myth. Your claim is simply not true. Prove it with studies. I have given you many that proves otherwise. Without that, you are just making things up again.
And again you make things up to simply make false arguments. I never said anything like "Of course, you still promote that idea that banning travel for anyone and everyone from countries rife with terrorists, countries that do not vet their travelers, is a "Muslim ban". " - ONLY YOU do. And once again, you rile at the wrong people.
You should be heaping your condemnation on the real terrorists in America - the right-wing extremists. But you don't, for obvious reasons, you go after terrorists who have had little impact on America.
It was your side that held an insurrection in the Capitol wasn't it? I didn't see one single Muslim terrorist in the crowd, just thousands of American terrorists.
It was your side that wanted to hang VP Pence
It was your side that wanted to put a bullet in Pelosi's head
It was your side that murdered the capitol policeman
It was your side that placed the pipe bombs
It was not the moderates and liberals who try to speak the truth on these pages in the face of the avalanche of lies, falsehoods, projections, etc. your side produce.
When it walk's like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck and told by Trump it is a duck - then it is a duck (or as Trump put it "a Muslim ban")
First, let me repeat myself for you - "Trump continued Obama's rate of decrease until the last half of 2019 when it leveled off,"
What policies did Trump or the Republican Party enact that affected jobs for more than a few months? The only thing they did that had a provably positive impact on jobs for a few months was the tax give-away to the rich.
Was it his policy to ban transgender people from the military?
Was it his installing three conservative justices on the Supreme Court set to roll back civil and voting rights to the 1950s?
Was it the creation of the Space Force? (one of the few sensible things he did)
Was it helping pass prison reform? (another good thing)
Was it his failed immigration policy where he ripped babies out of mothers' arms?
Was it is failed Covid policy that has led to 300,000 excess deaths?
Was it his so far successful attempts to normalize some relationships between the Arabs and the Jews (I hope it lasts)
Those are about all he has done other than divide the nation and a give full-time employment opportunities to white supremacists.
I disagree with your opinion. Make little to no sense in my view.
Isn't it fitting? Trump wants his impeachment lawyers (the one supplicant Graham got him) to use his BIG LIE about losing the election as a defense. They said no and at least five quit. You see, they had ethics to uphold, something their former client can't even spell.
Do you have any statements of the attorneys that chose not to take up the impeachment case? Just wondering where you came by the information Trump wants his impeachment lawyers to use his BIG LIE about losing the election as a defense. THEY said no and at least five quit.
If we are "assuming", Is it possible that they are fearful of what would become of their reputations if they stepped up and represented Trump the impeachment?That is a safe bet on your part because you know the attorneys can't make statements.
However, reliable sources familiar with the situation sources, you know, the "they" Trump always refers to but in this case who almost always tell the truth report this.
Trump wants them to argue the BIG LIE while they want to argue the constitutionality of it all. Bottom line, they won't lie for Trump so they quit.
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/30/politics … index.html
By the way, you never produced any real lies CNN told when I asked. Why not? Nor have you ever shown where these "reliable sources" get it wrong most of the time. Since you haven't offered any proof they are wrong most of the time, it is reasonable to assume they are correct.
So you are comparing three years of Trump's economy to eight years of Obama's.
and 2.5 is higher than 2.4, BTW.
so Obama left Trump with 1.7
Trump brought it up to 2.3 and then
to 3.0
In four more years if COVID19 hadn't hit, who knows how much higher it could have gone with less regulations, lower taxes and more job opportunities for all people of all races.
... not to mention no wars and a time of peace.And then DOWN to 2.2. You might finish the sentence to be truthful.
You might also read what I wrote which wasn't about 8 years of Obama. The facts are that I used (and said) the last three years of Obama's numbers.
And since you want to compare, tell me when did Trump ever reach 3.1% (which is higher than 3.0) in a year? Or how about quarterly? Did Trump ever get to 3.45% or 4.15%? No, is best was a meager, by comparison, 3.3%. Facts Matter.
It also shows how much you know about economics or proportion. Yes, who knows how - or low - it might have gone. Since Trump's economy was only going sideways and his trade war was devastating agriculture and costing Americans a lot of extra dollars.
In "constant dollars", you will probably have to look that up, Trump's miraculous stock market was well within the range set by Obama in his eight years. His stock market gains were also worse than the last several presidents, save Bush.
Why do you keep believing his lies instead of the facts?
Oh yeah, jobs - even before Covid hit, the job market had stalled and you forget, Obama beat Trump on jobs as well (of course you will ignore the facts again).
Actually, Obama has the same claim since Iraq and Afghanistan were ongoing when he took over from Bush. Facts matter. Of course we have Obama stopping Iran from getting a nuke and Trump setting on the road to one again. Facts Matter.
Migrant caravan formed under Trump's watch. Dissipated before Biden took office. Biden policies would not have helped any in the caravan get into the United States.
Things that are much-much worse since Biden left office in 2017...
Unemployment rate: 4.2% in January 2017, 6.7% now
Job Growth: Up 8.6% while Biden was VP, down 2.7% under Trump
Pandemic Deaths: 12,500 while Biden was VP, 400,000 under Trump
Deficits: Obama/Biden budgets accounted for 6.79 Trillion in deficits in eight years, Trump in just four years added 7.8 trillion.
Trade Deficits: The trade deficit is 6.5% higher now than it was four years ago when Obama/Biden left office. It's 11% higher with NAFTA partners - so much for those great new trade deals.
Not sure what you think can get worse....I agree. Biden is already burning bridges and breaking promises.
Of course he has. Let's say I TOLD YOU SO. Kenna, bring the popcorn, it is going to be a bumpy ride for America.
I agree, just look at what Trump has wrought - the only time America was less secure in its democracy was in the middle of the Civil War. I guess Trump wanted a do-over since he didn't like the first outcome.
Which ones? Or is that just the anti-American Sean Hannity you are parroting?
Which, now that Biden and the Democrats are in charge, will get smoother and smoother.
Good Morning, I see you did not take a sugar pill this morning. I did not agree with everything President Trump did, nor, do I agree with everything President Biden has done so far. Remember, the Pandemic during 2020 and it is still here.
I do not want to pay $5.00+ a gallon for gas, however, I feel something has to be done for our future clean air issues.
I will research your list and see if I agree with any of your statement. I do not want open borders. And, I feel if any man loves his family and country he will not either.
I will wait to see what he will do as our new presidentBobbi. President Trump did not have the support of the media--they were all negative or liars. The same goes with the newspapers. I believe New York Times was the most credible of all.
Nancy Pelosi is out for blood, now, I want to hear your opinion about her. My opinion is her transportation is a broom.
News Flash- President Trump is no longer president, but he is not out of the picture. You might want to fasten your seatbelt because he is coming back to politics.
Have a great day--and let some positive sunshine in your life.
Bobbi Purvis"I do not want open borders. " - Nobody really does and we have never really had them since Obama.
"President Trump did not have the support of the media--they were all negative or liars. " - I wonder. It took the media more than three years to start calling Trump the liar that he was. Until then, they always weasel-worded their criticism each time they caught him.
And I have always wondered why it is a bad thing that the news point out when Trump does something wrong, which he did most of the time. Isn't that their job?
"News Flash- President Trump is no longer president, " - Don't tell Kevin McCarthy or Matt Getz or Josh Hawley or Ted Cruz that. They may send Marjorie Green after you, lol.
President Trump did more in four years for Americans and the USA than any other president. I understand you have your opinion and I have mine. My parents were Democrats, but I am not. I always vote for the man--not the party.
About the only issue I had with President Trump is that he hurt himself by using Twitter. All the big tech social media companies were against him as well as ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN and all the big newspapers. I think the New York Times was the most credible. I would listen to President Trump on Fox, Newsmax and a few other honest news medias. Then I would listen to CNN and they would tell the biggest lies and twist everything around.
I will wait to see what President Biden does for the American people.
Take care and I have never talked to a man who believes the very opposite of what I do. I find your opinions something to research---after all that is how you learn.
Good Night--Stay well,
Bobbi Purvis"President Trump did more in four years for Americans and the USA than any other president." - I am sorry, it is demonstrable that this is false. Virtually every other president in history has done more good for America in four years that Trump. Face, Trump, and this is not an opinion but fact, failed miserably as president.
"Fox, Newsmax and a few other honest news medias." - the opposite is what has been proved to be true. (I'll follow up tomorrow with plenty of examples.)
Tell me all of these lies you think CNN told.
Do you believe Trump when he says he won by a landslide?
I listen to news media on YouTube. (By the way you are missing out on making money by not having a channel on YouTube with your opinions--you would be popular.) I trust Dan Bongino channel, Liz Wheeler, Newsmax, Golden State Times, OAN, and a few other ones.) Check this out and get a channel. I might learn something from you--I said might. Check it out.
By the way Good Luck, Millions only watch YouTube.
Bobbi PurvisI occasionally tweet, but in the main think social media is totally untrustworthy, but, nevertheless appreciate the thought.
You might find this interesting - https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-b … 20-2019-12
OAN lies - they said:
* “The mainstream media pretended there was a deadly surge in COVID cases thanks to Wisconsinites voting.”
* Says Adam Schiff is "under investigation for Ukrainian Burisma oil connections."
* You Tube suspended and demonetized OAN for lying about a Covid cure?
Bottom line, OAN lies almost as much as Trump so why do you consider that a reliable source?
You might note that Fox Business Network stated that Adam Schiff has been lying for the past two years: Chaffez Interviewd by Lou Dobbs of Fox. I will leave you with this--I have a girl's night to fix dinner for and time is ticking. And, you do not have to trust YouTube you will be paid by Adsense. Use your brilliant mind to make money. I will not mention this again--However, check Dan Bongino out atleast. He was assigned to Obama's as part of a protection unit and a retired CIA, Police Department of NYC. He has been on Fox.
Stay well,
Bobbi Purvis"You might note that Fox Business Network stated that Adam Schiff has been lying for the past two years: " - The may have stated it, but did they provide verified examples? I bet not.
I do make money by running a nationwide drug and alcohol testing company trying to keep America drug free.
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Final Presidential Debate of 2020: Who won? Donald Trump or Joe Biden?
by Stevennix2001 3 years ago
Before anyone else opens up a forum about this, and I know the debate is still going on. Who do you think won this year's final presidential debate of this year?