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  1. abwilliams profile image66
    abwilliamsposted 11 months ago

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    Do those in charge within the walls of Fort Pelosi truly fear "we the people" OR have the elite in their Ivory Towers separated themselves from the lowly, unworthy peasants below?

    1. TheShadowSpecter profile image85
      TheShadowSpecterposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Good question.

    2. Credence2 profile image79
      Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      AB, are you trying to mitigate the outrage that took place last January 6th?

      Who is talking about elites and ivory towers when unwashed mobs are free to assault the Capitol building and threaten lives?

      1. abwilliams profile image66
        abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        The "unwashed"? You sound like Nancy.

        1. Credence2 profile image79
          Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          storming the capitol, is that the way you would behave?

          I don't know people that are willing to openly vandalize the national capitol regardless of their political affiliation, do you?

          1. abwilliams profile image66
            abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            I have a broken foot, I can't storm my living room.
            I don't know anyone either, I don't know what happened with the fringe of these various groups; who spearheaded it or who followed along like a herd of sheep. I certainly do not condone it, I never said I did. But, it happened and those responsible will be dealt with case by case! We have never convicted an entire Nation of people for the actions of a few loose cannons, we can't start now.

            1. Credence2 profile image79
              Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Broken foot or otherwise, we both know that you would not behave this way.

              But people that are subject to being goaded toward violence in a herdlike way regardless of political affiliation are not the kinds of people I keep in my company.

              There can be no leniency for what we saw in Washington last January 6th which in its symbolism and magnitude go beyond the riotous behavior of the Left in my opinion.  I am not convicting an entire nation but the perpetrators and active accessories need to be convicted without fail as an example if nothing else.

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                Wish we both could and would do the same for those in the year long riots.  But we can't and wouldn't if we could - burning out a Mom and Pop business just isn't in the same class as threatening the rich and powerful (and a burned out chain store isn't even on the horizon here).  And scaring the rich and powerful is a sure fire road to prison.

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                  PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  Living in Oregon, I can assure you that when the perpetrators of violence and looting in Portland could be identified and proof provided for their crimes, they were prosecuted.  One major difference between the rioters in Portland and those at the Capitol is that the Portland rioters knew they would be prosecuted if they were caught with enough evidence.  Obviously, the entitled idiots at the Capitol thought they could film themselves and be deemed to be heroes and patriots. 

                  You can keep on claiming that rioters were not held accountable if you want, but you would be wrong. No skin off my nose.  It's your rep.

      2. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Perhaps those that watched the ivory tower residents sit back and do nothing while their own wooden huts were destroyed by similar mob riots.  Maybe it is them that see a certain...hypocrisy, shall we say...in barricading the rich and powerful from harms way.

        1. Credence2 profile image79
          Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          now, you sound like the "socialist".

      3. Live to Learn profile image73
        Live to Learnposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Jeez.  Since when does the left stop the unwashed mobs from attacking people?

        Anyhoo, I heard some of those people arrived in private jets and some found themselves blocked in their hotel rooms later.

        Is there no water for the showers in Washington???

        Some gun. What is the world coming to?

        1. Credence2 profile image79
          Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          I am not defending ANY violent mob, but I am not the one to bring up the topic that some rabble roused mobs are to be excused as more more acceptable than others.

          Democracy and its riggings hang in the balance.

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      PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Pelosi has experienced death threats her entire career. It is only since the crazies stormed the Capitol with guns and nooses that security was increased to this level, and for good reason.

      You don't think it is justified given how easily would-be assassins breached the Capitol?

    4. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      I find it ironic those who loudly opposed a wall at our border and some proposed to defund the police --- Now need a wall with razor wire, and a mere army to protect them from American citizens. Very bleak though but unfortunately we now are at that point.   

      No matter how one spins this is where we are. Citizens uprising against the Government. As I said a bit back, Biden will be protected like no other president. he will be under guard like Kim Jong-un.

      A long time ago GA made a statement that stuck with me ---" would not want to be you".  I have used it at times when I find myself lacking words.   I would not want to be working in Government at this point in our history. Pretty scary.

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        PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Walls are a deterrent when they are under constant surveillance, either by person or camera, and law enforcement are readily available to respond within minutes. Thousands of miles of wall, which cannot possibly be under constant surveillance, can be relatively easily breached in certain spots.

        Apples and oranges.

        And, yes, these days are scary times for our elected officials and public servants.

      2. lobobrandon profile image87
        lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        I wonder whether those on the south of your border storm the place with guns seeking to kill Americans. If yes, then it's a fair comparison and it's hypocrisy. It's probably a good question to ask yourself.

        1. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          I was merely being sarcastic, just pointing out the Dems are not big on walls or police.

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            PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            This is nothing more than a right-wing talking point.

      3. abwilliams profile image66
        abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        I fear for the people much more than those working in Government right now Sharlee.
        In the blink of Biden's eye, just like that, thousands upon thousands of Dads and Moms lost their jobs. Just like that, not only were those working on the Keystone Pipeline, instantly unemployed, but just think about the hotels, restaurants, food trucks, gas stations, stores (large and small) etc., that are affected because of it! How many of them will be forced to close down? Now, the Biden Admin. has  targeted coal mines and coal mine workers....same thing, not only will they be instantly unemployed, all the same places that I've just mentioned will be affected. It is quite the domino effect, but they got rid of Donald Trump by golly!

        1. TheShadowSpecter profile image85
          TheShadowSpecterposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Abwilliams?  What is so interesting is that many Biden supporters who worked for the Keystone XL Pipeline are now unemployed and they're not putting Joe Biden up on a pedestal anymore like they did before they voted for him.  They're going to wish that Donald Trump had gotten a second term in the Oval Office once they find themselves unable to make ends meet.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image84
            Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

            One thing the media does not control is the job numbers... And we are in for the worst we have had in decades due to Biden's EO.  And yes, it will not take long for many to realize their hate for Trump have them running around without noses or jobs... LOL

          2. abwilliams profile image66
            abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Hi Shadow -
            I know! Many of us were trying to get through to them, warn them...BUT!!! Whether a love for Biden or a hate for Trump got us this Biden/Harris fiasco, we are stuck with them, for awhile.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image84
          Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, so many this last year have lost businesses, jobs, homes, children, parents, loved ones, independence and so much more... And just this past week many more due to Bidens Eo have lost their jobs or will lose their jobs in the near future. And Biden sits at that little what looks like a dollhouse table and is destroying all the good Trump did to set us on a better path.

          And yes Harris more or less told miners we will need you to close the "landmines". She is literally asking them to bury their livelihood, and walk away after that task without jobs. Can you even imagine being belittled in that manner? When I heard her say that I choked up...  IMO she is an evil manipulative B.   

          Yes, their hate won them the day...  What we have now is a Government fueled by power and hate. What a combo

          Have faith in the American spirit. It won't take long ...

          1. abwilliams profile image66
            abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Hi Sharlee,
            I agree with your assessment of Harris. I don't trust that woman and her making such ridiculous statements doesn't help and as for Joe Biden, I don't know what else to say. At times, I feel sorry for him, but then I realize that he has allowed himself to be used by many.....there are so many strings attached to him now, I doubt he has to put forth any effort whatsoever to get from his bed to his desk..wink None of them doing anything positive for our lives or for this Country, I might add.

            I do. My faith sustains me.
            Always praying for this great Country!

            1. Sharlee01 profile image84
              Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Amen...

    5. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Isn't there something eerie about career politicians, in general?
      Are they "out to get" those who elected them, (and keep electing them?)
      Why would you bite the hand that feeds you?
      Or why would you keep feeding those, who trust you to do the right thing, poison?
      It's a very curious phenomenon that these career politicians are very bad for the country, (talking about ride 'em biden, picky pelosi and winner schummer.

      1. lobobrandon profile image87
        lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        This message makes sense, unlike the other one.

        Is there something eerie, of course. This does not make Trump a good politician. You've had many great presidents who were career politicians in the past. Also, some that weren't career politicians that did well. The same is true across the planet.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          - not talking about Trump.

          1. lobobrandon profile image87
            lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            I know you weren't but he is the most recent non-career politician at a high position that you've had.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
              Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              - not talking about Trump

  2. abwilliams profile image66
    abwilliamsposted 11 months ago

    Would-be Assassin storm troopers, alrighty then, by the time 2022 rolls around, ya'll will have turned it into the  equivalent of the invasion at Normandy....
    A few 'fringers' from many different groups took things too far that day. That's the real story. They'll each, eventually, have their day in court.
    Her Royal Nancy doesn't need an excuse to rule like she's royalty, but she'll find excuses wherever she can.

  3. abwilliams profile image66
    abwilliamsposted 11 months ago

    Such hypocrisy which too many validate, not even realizing that they too, are in fact, with the peasants.

  4. abwilliams profile image66
    abwilliamsposted 11 months ago

    Who used the word excused?

    1. Credence2 profile image79
      Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      You seem to think the the defensive actions taken by Capitol security are excessive. I hardly think so and believe that the very fact that this riotous behavior has happened require that security be ramped up for the protection of our elected representatives.

      1. abwilliams profile image66
        abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Heck yeah they're excessive! For how long? 15 more days, 30, 100 more, another year?
        Something like the plan for masks...which now it has been suggested that we wear two and that three is even better!
        No thanks!!! I think we have had just about enough Government excess!

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          PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          You seem to discount the amount of death and destruction wrought by both the right-wing insurrectuinists and the pandemic science deniers. Some people think it prudent to protect themselves from the reckless stupidity and entitled anger of the ill-informed. How much death and destruction does it take for you to acknowledge that mitigation is necessary?

          1. abwilliams profile image66
            abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Is this Nancy?

            1. abwilliams profile image66
              abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              What will it take for you to get a clue!

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                PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                Lol, back atcha. How many deaths will it take? Half a million? 750,000? A milliom?

  5. abwilliams profile image66
    abwilliamsposted 11 months ago

    Some are more clear than others as to what hangs in the balance.

    1. Credence2 profile image79
      Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Anyone who acts in an insurrectionist mode, using violence over reason regardless of political affialiation are equal threats to orderly and responsible government. That is what hangs in the balance

  6. abwilliams profile image66
    abwilliamsposted 11 months ago

    A million deaths, what are you talking about?

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      PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      "Something like the plan for masks..."

      "No thanks! "

      The tragically high number of unnecessary deaths of our family, friends and neighbors is due to pandemic science deniers.

      1. abwilliams profile image66
        abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        We went from Fauci saying NO, you don't need to wear masks to yes okay for a few days, to yes for a few months, to yes for a year, to yes, all the time, in fact, wear two masks, three would be better, if two is good, three is even better right?

        Wear twelve, knock yourself out.

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          PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          A mischaracterization of events but even if it were true what's the big deal about following science? Yes, it changes as new information emerges. Imagine that!

      2. lobobrandon profile image87
        lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        There was a meme that I read and I paraphrase:

        "Before the internet, we thought stupidity was due to a lack of knowledge.

        Well, no it isn't."

        In fact, the internet has made it worse because of fools who think they are experts, classic Dunning Kruger. They find one so-called expert to support what makes them feel better against the other 90+% who know better. As we all know by now, having a degree or a position does not make one an expert, so agreeing with that 1% is a fools' errand.

        1. abwilliams profile image66
          abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          I have been attempting to make this very same case since 1973.

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            PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Now, that's funny right there. I don't care who you are. :-)

          2. lobobrandon profile image87
            lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            In that case, I hope you wear your mask when in public.

            1. abwilliams profile image66
              abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Only when it's not dictated.

              1. lobobrandon profile image87
                lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                Well, it only has to be dictated because people don't do it otherwise. The same way the law dictates you wear your seatbelt and stick to your lane.

                I hope that you stick to your lane even though it is dictated. It's for your own safety after all.

                If you are a sane driver you would call someone an idiot if they don't stick to their lane, wouldn't you?

  7. abwilliams profile image66
    abwilliamsposted 11 months ago

    Yes, whatever we do, let's not take any credit for having the ability to discern for ourselves, while utilizing our God-given common sense, let us instead look to the ruling class for all answers and be good and faithful servants.

    1. Credence2 profile image79
      Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Who do you think Trump is? That is the ruling class, if anyone is, unfortunately.

      Do you feel the same way about airport security, TSA, or is that government overreach as well?

      1. lobobrandon profile image87
        lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Some people even have a problem that governments make it compulsory for kids to get an education. It all comes down to individual perspectives and where they draw their boundaries.

        Driving in your lane is common sense to some while wearing a mask to protect others around you and ultimately yourself is overreach just because they ask you to do it.

        It becomes difficult to debate when there are no fixed boundaries. Because from the above there's no real common ground. Safety? Well, no, that's not it. As someone who works in the sciences, I wish I knew of a way to get well-proven facts across without politics or religion acting as blinders.

        1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
          Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          GOT    L I B E R T Y  ?

          1. lobobrandon profile image87
            lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            As always, your messages just don't make sense.

            1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
              Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              I give the jist, and some people are just to heavy with their own preconceived notions to get past them and look into something more subtle and something more shining and true.

    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      +1

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Repeating for good reason:


        "Yes, whatever we do, let's not take any credit for having the ability to discern for ourselves, while utilizing our God-given common sense, let us instead look to the ruling class for all answers and be good and faithful servants." abwilliams

        +1

    3. lobobrandon profile image87
      lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      It's a shame that to some people everything has to come down to class or some sort of politics. Must really be tiring analyzing the simplest of things under those lenses.

  8. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    Yes, whatever we do, let us take credit for having the ability to discern for ourselves, while utilizing our God-given common sense. Let us NOT look to the ruling class for all answers and instead, let us be good and faithful citizens by exercising our God given right to independence in thinking and living, while following the precepts of The Golden Rule.
    and love our neighbors as much as we love ourselves.

    Heaven help those who do not love themselves.

    1. lobobrandon profile image87
      lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      To some people, it is their God-given common sense that they can shoot people down in the streets. You not wearing a mask may lead to you spreading the virus to someone who goes home and infects their aged parents. Would you be okay living with that on your conscience or is it all fine just because you don't know you did it?

      When your God-given common sense does harm to others it is best that you do not utilize it because God also said that you should not harm thy neighbor.

      The only valid reason (if God is in the question) that you do not wear a mask in crowded places is that the virus is a hoax. If that's what you believe, then I would rather not continue the discussion.

  9. abwilliams profile image66
    abwilliamsposted 11 months ago

    Trump put up a wall to do his job as the Commander-in-chief, which is to protect the U.S.of A. The current Administration seeks to take down that wall  and replace with a wall around the People's House instead, leaving, we the people, vulnerable in more ways than one!
    I am all for being safe and practical, but I draw the line at Government overreach and intrusion into our lives.
    But, if you, like PP, feel more comfortable wearing 12 masks at one time, you should feel free to do that, I would never stand in your way...don't stand in mine. It really isn't complicated.
    I've been very consistent with my belief system throughout my nearly ten years here at HP, there has been no great conversion for you or for anyone else to concern yourself so over.

    1. lobobrandon profile image87
      lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      I am not sure who you've written this to, so let me answer:

      "don't stand in mine. It really isn't complicated"

      You not wearing your mask puts me in danger. Me wearing a mask protects those around me and not me. The masks we wear are not fine enough to stop the virus from entering once it is in the air. But when it gets out of an infected person it usually is in spittle through coughs and sneezes, etc. and this is what a mask traps. So by not wearing a mask, you are infact standing in my way and that's the whole point.

      No one is asking you to wear one at home. Also, 12 maks or 1 mask does not make a difference.

      Anyway, there's an ocean between us so you not wearing a mask does not directly affect me. I just thought of sharing some of the reasons on why it is done based on the actual science and not the politics because red or blue makes no difference to me. Have a nice day.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        As the Commander-in-chief, Trump did his job in protecting America from threats/enemies from without by trying to build a border wall. The current Administration, however, seeks to take down the border wall! This situation will leave citizens vulnerable.

        so why? why? take down the border wall?

        "I am all for being safe and practical, but I draw the line at Government overreach and intrusion into our lives."ab

        "Whoever feels comfortable wearing 12 masks at one time, you should feel free to do that, I would never stand in your way..." ab

        "Just don't stand in mine." ab

        And yet they do!
        ... even though wearing masks does nothing, (except make us breathe in our own exhaled air, which is not healthy in the least ...) 

        and those little paper blue masks? useless!

        1. lobobrandon profile image87
          lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          This right here is a very good example of where someones God-given reasoning is flawed.

          "even though wearing masks does nothing"

          That is the conclusion made from what I believe is my comment. People who cannot use facts but their God given logic often stop reading when they feel satisfied with what they have read thus far or when they can come to a conclusion that makes them feel better. This is just human tendency and therefore very well understood and it is expected.

          That sentence went on to say: "you wearing a mask helps others around you" and when everyone does that you are protected too. So coming to the conclusion of wearing masks does nothing is the polar opposite of the original statement from where that conclusion was drawn.

          Alas, it is hard to have a disussion when the following are given a priority:
          - politics
          - religion
          - individual freedom over societal well being. The example of masks in todays environment is a classical one that shows where thinking about yourself is indirectly putting you the individual in harms way.

        2. abwilliams profile image66
          abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Thank you!!!!! smile

  10. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    Those three career politicians are infected with something worse than a China-made virus.

    I wonder what it is?

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
      Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      It (their malady) seems *almost* like hatred for the people and the country.


      or *exactly*...???

  11. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    Paranoid people can wear masks and slather on that stinging, poisonous hand sanitizer.

    Those who don't want to wear masks or hand sanitizer are risking their own lives!
     
    ... oh the BLANK well.

    1. lobobrandon profile image87
      lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Not really, you put the community at risk because you could become a spreader. I doubt people would ask you to wear one if it was just you that was at risk. Do people ask you to wear sunscreen when at the beach? Nope, because in that case, any harm would be to you and you alone. This is not the case with the virus.

      Also, it's not paranoia it's social responsibility. Paranoia is a fear of catching the virus and therefore stopping all interaction with the outside world.

      What makes you think hand sanitizer is poisonous? It's just alcohol on the skin that evaporates and breaks down fats that coat the cell of the virus.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        - no it ain't. There's a type made in Mexico which contains a poisonous chemical which was affecting children, I heard it on the news.

        https://www.fda.gov/drugs/drug-safety-a … ld-not-use

        1. lobobrandon profile image87
          lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Oh, God. If that is true then don't use that one.

          This is the one you are talking about: On July 2, the FDA updated its warning, noting that the agency has seen a "sharp increase" in hand sanitizers labeled as containing ethanol (aka ethyl alcohol), but actually containing methanol.  https://www.cnet.com/health/fda-hand-sa … anitizers/

          Calling all hand sanitizer a problem is just flawed. You should instead say you do not trust the system in your country. The FDA should ban the import of such products. Instead of fighting against hand sanitizer, you should be holding the authorieis in question.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            NO!  All hand sanitizers contain various chemicals and some even affect the brain.
            I have never worn hand sanitizer since reading about their dangers years ago!

            1. lobobrandon profile image87
              lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Nope, you're just wrong on that account.
              You were right about the Mexican brand.

              What is the problem with ethanol? It evaporates from your skin. There's ethanol in your gas too. Getting a few drops on your hand when at the fuel tank does no harm.

              Hand sanitizers are ethanol and something else such as Aloevera to help lower the alcohol percentage among other reasons.

              Hand sanitizers protect oneself and other than some institutions that ask you to do it because you may touch surfaces within their premises no one is going to ask you to use it. They may ask you to wear a mask though.

              Hand sanitizer is just like the sunscreen that I used in an example above. You don't have to use, just wash your hands with soap when you get back home, something you probably do anyway.

        2. GA Anderson profile image88
          GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          OMG! "I heard it on the news." What news? I don't think we have any real news we can trust anymore, so that thought has been relegated to the dustbins of history. The only thing you can trust now is your level of interest in confirming what you think is news really is news.

          GA

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            ... of course some new is news! especially on the radio!
            and I wear a mask to protect myself. period.

      2. GA Anderson profile image88
        GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        I wanted to find a point I could agree with, and I did:

        "Also, it's not paranoia it's social responsibility."

        I accept mask wearing for that very reason. I am not protecting me, I am participating in protecting you.

        GA

        1. lobobrandon profile image87
          lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Yes, that's the reason I wear one.

          1. abwilliams profile image66
            abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Well they {masks} are here to stay, so that's good that ya'll have accepted the practice.

  12. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    It is a matter of individual choice which has been taken away from us.

  13. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    guessing is not science

  14. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    ARE YOU GUESSING?

    Yes.

    1. lobobrandon profile image87
      lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      What am I guessing? Not a single thing I've said is a guess.

      "guessing is not science"

      Finally, something we can agree on.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
        Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        no, we are still 180 degrees apart.
        ... and we are not to agree on anything, because we are coming from two opposite points of view ...
        which his fine.

        1. lobobrandon profile image87
          lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Yup, one is individual liberty and the other is an individual responsibility. Abwilliams seems to be doing both which is good.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
            Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            I watched the movie, "Dogeball" with Ben Stiller last night. That name really got to me:
            "White Goodman!"
            Lol!

  15. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    Repeating:

    Paranoid people can wear masks and slather on that stinging, poisonous hand sanitizer.

    Those who don't want to wear masks or hand sanitizer are risking their

                         O W N  lives!
     
    ... oh the BLANK well.

  16. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago

    If I am standing there without a mask on, but you have a mask on, you are protecting yourself.

    I say that is good enough

    Leave it at that.

    That is liberty for both of us.

  17. abwilliams profile image66
    abwilliamsposted 11 months ago

    Lobo - I was responding to Cred (or so I thought) If I am not feeling well, even if I have the sniffles, I do not go out in public. When I do go out in public, I avoid people as if avoiding the plague. We live in the middle of the woods for a reason! When I do go out, I have had people come clear across the store to get in my face about not wearing a mask... ...don't get me started, I know neither of us have the time. Take care, be safe and know this, I am not the one you should be worried about or concerned with.

    1. lobobrandon profile image87
      lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Well, it's good that you do that.

  18. profile image0
    PrettyPantherposted 11 months ago

    Since I am surrounded by fools who think the election was stolen, that Trump is single-handedly fighting a secret cabal of Satan-worshipping pedophiles, and that requiring people to wear a mask is a global plot to turn us into mindless, subservient sheep, I am glad we have common sense laws that require people to refrain from smoking around others, to wear seatbelts, and to wear a mask in the midst of a pandemic

    1. abwilliams profile image66
      abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      That's it, you are Nancy Pelosi. Your cover has been blown. If you had just held back a little bit, not taken things quite so far {I guess elite blood cannot be contained} you may could have gotten away with it. wink

      1. profile image0
        PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Lol, I'd rather be a person who lives in reality than a delusional cult member, so thank you for confirming that, though I need no such confirmation.

        1. abwilliams profile image66
          abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Are you actually suggesting that all who did not vote for Hillary Clinton then, Joe Biden now, are cult members?
          Keep in mind that many Democrats and Independents crossed over to vote for him.

          1. profile image0
            PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            No, not all, but I do think if you still believe the election was stolrn, you are either a cult member of incapable of critical thinking. There is simply no rational reason to still believe it.

            1. abwilliams profile image66
              abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              I think it is suspicious just as you thought about the previous 4 years. I never called you a cult member though.

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                PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                I never once questioned that Trump was the legitimate president. Not once.

                1. abwilliams profile image66
                  abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  Don't twist my words. I don't know if you did or didn't question his legitimacy, but where was your critical thinking? Absent. Due to an obsession with hating the man.

                  1. abwilliams profile image66
                    abwilliamsposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    Also, I was just reading up on John Weaver and the Lincoln Project...aka: the NeverTrumpers!!!
                    The sanctimonious, hypocritical, self-righteous who made themselves judge and jury {when it came to Donald Trump} they are all the things and worse, they've continually accused him of, I don't care what political party they associate with....now is the appropriate time for the use of the word, "cult"

  19. Kathryn L Hill profile image77
    Kathryn L Hillposted 11 months ago
  20. abwilliams profile image66
    abwilliamsposted 11 months ago

    That is not good form to begin with, I have no clue BUT....time to move on and find someone else to hate.

    1. lobobrandon profile image87
      lobobrandonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      I am not a citizen of the USA, I need not know every Tom, Dick and Harry out there. I know that Trump through his own words on multiple occasions was a creep and just a sad excuse for a human being.

      Hate is a strong word. There is a lot of emotion that goes with hate and it takes up a lot of energy and one's sanity. He is not worth hating, so there is no "moving on" but being the second largest democracy and obviously the most powerful of the lot, you would have to agree why I and many others were against a tyrant holding the top post. What would have been unprecedented is now no more the case.

      1. TheShadowSpecter profile image85
        TheShadowSpecterposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Out of curiosity, which country do you live in, lobobrandon?

  21. abwilliams profile image66
    abwilliamsposted 11 months ago

    Trump is the complete opposite of tyrannical and oppressive, why do you think the Washington D.C. Establishment (aka: the Swamp) the Dems, the RINOS, the Never-Trumpers all hate him so much? Why do you think they invested so much into getting rid of him? Think about it.
    Because Donald Trump, was/is, all about the best interest of the people...not the best interest of the Gov, not the best interest of political parties, not the best interest of the career politicians currently lining their pockets and getting wealthier by the day...while in office!!!! (Trump didn't even take a paycheck, he donated it to different charities) These people aren't supposed to be in office, in order to get wealthy, while, in the meantime, the middle class (aka: working class) gets squeezed from all directions.

    But, you just keep believing all that you are being fed.

  22. Kenna McHugh profile image87
    Kenna McHughposted 11 months ago

    We need to be vigilant and study the issues. We need to weed out the falsehoods and underscore the truths.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image84
      Sharlee01posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      I agree

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      PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Does that mean you have finally accepted the truth that the election was not stolen?

 
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