Congress sends $1.9 trillion pandemic relief package to Biden's desk

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PrettyPantherposted 3 years ago
House lawmakers Wednesday gave final approval to President Biden's $1.9 trillion coronavirus relief package, sending the legislation to his desk for his signature. The White House says Biden plans to sign it on Friday.

"This legislation is about giving the backbone of this nation — the essential workers, the working people who built this country, the people who keep this country going — a fighting chance," Biden said in a statement Wednesday.

The House voted 220-211 with no Republicans voting in favor of the bill, despite calls for bipartisan support from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and other Democratic leaders.

One Democrat, Rep. Jared Golden, voted against the bill, citing concerns over changes to the legislation from the Senate.

https://www.npr.org/2021/03/10/97503032 … ef-package

This consequential legislation is supported by the overwhelming majority of Americans. Even the majority of Republicans support it.

My question: Why didn't a single GOP legislator vote for it?

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  Kyler J Falkposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Was this, "overwhelming majority of Americans," able to vote on the passing of this bill on to the executive branch? A bit of an obtuse statement from my perspective, as I doubt even an overwhelming minority have even read the thing, lol.
  
  None of them signed it because they got stiffed on their demands, and they wanted to make a political statement. Same poop, different day and party.
  
  To put it as you would, so astutely: Yawn.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Yeah, well, there is this imperfect but useful thing called polling which gives us a pretty good idea of what people think about specific issues, and polling shows even the majority of Republicans support the legislation. As for reading the bill, is that really necessary? If so, we're in trouble. lol
  
  The point is, at least some of those GOP legislators voted against their own constituents' wishes.
  
  And, yeah, I understand it's just the same old politics.
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  Kyler J Falkposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  "As for reading the bill, is that really necessary? If so, we're in trouble."
  
  You've summed up American politics as a whole perfectly.
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  Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  My sentiments exactly.
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Because it is an exceedingly poor piece of legislation, serving primarily to fund a Democrat wish list. Actual aid to Americans that need it is minimal, a small percentage of the total.
  
  The bigger question is why Democrats voted to give our hard earned money to illegal aliens, to incarcerated prisoners, to those making $75,000 per year, to foreign countries, to parents that never missed a day of work, etc. etc.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  "Actual aid to Americans that need it is minimal, a small percentage of the total."
  
  Really?
  
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps I should have been clearer: the "relief bill" helps Americans from the economic ravages of the pandemic only minimally.
  
  The rest is pork to give away more billions to individuals that did not have any particular problem and to corporations, countries and other entities.
  
  (What percentage of those $1400 checks are going to people still out of work because of the pandemic and what percentage will go to those that never were laid off or are back to work now? How much of those checks will go to non-Americans and how much to incarcerated prisoners? What percentage of farm help will go to farms shut down because of the pandemic? What percentage of the disaster relief will go to those suffering ONLY from the pandemic, not hurricanes, floods, etc.? What percentage of people getting the $300 extra unemployment are unable to go to work because their job is not there and how many will get it because they have refused work or refused to find work? Why are we paying for child care for working people, or why are we paying it to people that are at home? What "vital businesses" have shut down from the pandemic and will now get money? You get the picture, I'm sure.)
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  Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  US now has spent 5.5 trillion dollars on the Covid.
  World war two cost 4 billion and they did not shut down the economy.
  
  I can see all the Covid war and horror movies. That we can all stay home and watch forever.
  
  Movies like
  Very sick nation.
  Saving Private Cancer and Heart.
  Ghosts
  A Fear Story
  
  And my favorite
  Can't get enough of that vaccine
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Anybody can type question after question without offering any substance.
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Well, the questions were designed to make you think about your implied claim that only Americans that need help from the pandemic are receiving any money.
  
  Did you do so? Did you decide that only Americans out of work from the pandemic are going to receive the checks, or did you realize that the large majority of those checks are going to foreign citizens, inmates and people that had no need of help because they worked right through? Did you realize that those "vital businesses" getting help never shut down because they were a "vital business"?
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  "....implied claim that only Americans that need help from the pandemic are receiving any money."
  
  Really? Where did I imply this?
  
  This, and your entire response is just more fluff from you.
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  I would say that your meme made it pretty plain, as well as your objection to my statement of the opposite. Between the two I assumed you believe most of the pandemic relief bill goes to those suffering from the pandemic - was I wrong?
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Now, that is a different statement from the one I took issue with, which is "an implied claim that only Americans that need help from the pandemic are receiving any money."
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Yet your meme gives that impression; that 100% of the money goes to those same people that were hurt in the pandemic.
  
  True, it doesn't actively SAY so, but neither does it mention that a great deal does NOT go there.
  
  The meme, then, is extremely misleading for (as usual) it gives only part of the story, heavily slanted in such a way that it does not appear there IS another side. Did you intend that slant - did you intend to insinuate that it all went to people harmed by the pandemic? As you objected to my comment that it did not, it would seem so - was I incorrect and you posted a meme showing it did when you really meant to say much of the funds are not earmarked for those harmed by COVID?
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  If by "meme," you mean the cartoon, then you seem to be interpreting its meaning differently than I am. I see it as demonstrating a refusal of the GOP to work with the Democrats to help the problem, which is directly in line with my question.
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  Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  'Yet your meme gives that impression; that 100% of the money goes to those same people that were hurt in the pandemic.'
  
  That "meme" doesn't even come close giving off that impression. Another Danism, of looking at something and trying to make it fit into a narrative that he believes.
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Please - show me where the meme says illegal aliens will be paid. Show me where it says incarcerated criminals will be paid. Show me where it says that people that never lost a penny from the pandemic will be paid. Show me where it says foreign countries get a bundle.
  
  Show me anything in that meme that says any of it goes anywhere but for pandemic relief.
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  Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Wait, illegal aliens now have social security numbers and will get checks? Or could you just be spewing falsehoods, as is typical.
  
  And under the GOP, people who made $100,000 got checks. Incarcerated citizens with social security numbers did too. With a lower threshold of $75,000, I would actually make the case that this bill is less pork-laden because those making $100,000 surely didn't need either of the first two rounds of checks ($2000 worth). Seems though that putting that money into circulation was good for the economy then, just not when a Democrat is in the Oval Office. Solid double standard. If you were consistent in your criticisms, maybe we'd take you seriously.
  
  And I'm sorry you cannot understand the simplicity of the political cartoon written by Steve Sack. The point seems very obvious. If you cannot see it, I'm not sure it's worth explaining to you.
  
  You trying to create that the meme shows any of the things you just listed is another example of a Danism - trying to change the topic to things you want to discuss even though that meme doesn't even relate to any of that garbage.
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Check the bill; illegal aliens will now get those checks just as you and I do. And they don't need a SS # to do it with, either.
  
  That's what I said; people making $75,000 will get a check to "help" them with pandemic caused hardships.
  
  But you didn't show where anything I asked for was in the meme...
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  Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  You cannot grasp my arguments. I'm moving on.
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  You are correct; we see it much differently. We both know, despite your refusal to discuss it, that there is a great deal of pork in that package; payments to individuals and other entities that have nothing to do with the pandemic or the harm caused by it.
  
  And as such it is a propaganda tool for the D's to make exactly the claim you are (GOP won't work with helping solve the pandemic problem) while neglecting to mention that a major part of it has nothing to do with the pandemic at all.
  
  This is not uncommon; pork is built into every bill that is expected to pass because it is the only way to get such garbage approved. What IS uncommon is the refusal to discuss it. Of course, it is also common to demonize anyone voting against a popular package because of the pork it contains...exactly as you are doing.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Well, so far, every type of pork that you have finally delineated were also in the first two Trump bills, so I have difficulty with labeling that as a Democrat problem. I can agree with you that some people who have not been affected by the pandemic will receive funds but, to me, that does not qualify as pork but is merely a nod to simplicity, as it would add a huge layer of bureaucracy to require some type of application to determine qualification for receipt of funds, probably costing more than the money saved.
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  You're right of course; those masses of people getting checks, but were never out of work, make it simple if we just ignore them.
  
  Unfortunately they are the lion's share of the people. It isn't a matter of a few thousand wearing those shoes; it is a hundred million of them. Don't forget that the unemployment rate was never even with shouting distance (with a bullhorn!) of 50%; that would still be only half the people.
  
  Then we have all those on disability, retired or other forms of Social Security - again, millions of people that never lost a dime over the pandemic. Plus the incarcerated and illegal aliens. All in all it must be at least 80% of those getting checks were never really hurt at all.
  
  I repeat; the vast majority of this money is going to those that don't need it, or at least don't need it because of the pandemic. And that makes it pork, not just an easy way to get money where it is needed.
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  Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  It has got to be better than the GOP solution: nothing at all....
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  Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  It reminds me of a non-profit I used to work for.
  
  the CEO got a nice six figure salary, the COO the same, we had plenty of extravagant outings with top notch food where we celebrated the good in the community we were doing.
  
  Then there were the new vehicles for the agency, the new building bought, the new office furniture and computers, the salaries we all enjoyed,
  
  And on a rare occasion, a small amount of money was spent on folks in need, but not very often, and not in any life altering way.
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  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  interesting topic IMO.
  
  I would agree polls show the majority of Americans supported the need for another stimulus bill. A bill that was geared around COVID relief. Polls indicated just that. One must consider what questions were asked, and then the demographics broke down to indicate the public opinion on several aspects of the bill. Pew seemed to do a good job breaking down.
  
  For example, while more than a quarter of lower-income Republicans (27%) say the proposed spending in the aid package is too little, just 11% of middle-income and 6% of upper-income Republicans say the same. Fully 81% of upper-income Republicans say the proposed spending in the economic aid package is too much, a view held by 42% of lower-income Republicans.
  
  Similarly, lower-income Democrats (42%) are more than twice as likely as upper-income Democrats (20%) to say that spending is too little. Still, half or more Democrats across income levels say the level of spending is about right.
  
  Although a 57% majority of Republicans say they oppose the proposed stimulus bill, there is a substantial ideological divide within the GOP: Roughly seven-in-ten conservative Republicans (69%) say they oppose the economic package, while the balance of opinion is reversed among moderate and liberal Republicans, 61% of whom say they favor the aid bill.
  
  Democrats (56%) say spending for the bill is about right, with a third saying it is too little and just 11% saying it is too much. In contrast, most Republicans (61%) say the bill is spending too much.
  
  Reflecting the income pattern among all Americans, within both partisan groups, those with lower incomes are more likely than those with higher incomes to say the proposed spending on the economic bill is not enough.
  
  Just trying to make the point polls are only as good as the questions asked.
  
  If more read the bill which is tedious and over 500 pages they would see it is full of non-COVID related spending. The media did not do the pork justice. However, at this point water under the bridge.
  
  Many citizens are not aware that money from previous Stimulus bills has not been spent.
  
  I supported the NEED for this new stimulus package, as I did with the others. I did not support any of the bill spendings as alligated in each bill. So, if a person called me for my opinion, and asked me --- do you support the need for the new stimulus bill, I would have said yes. If they asked if I supported the non-COVID expenditures, I would have said no... I have not been able to find a poll that asked my last question. Makes me wonder how many citizens would support the bill if they knew what was in it.
  
  Pew poll broke down into demographics.
  https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/20 … -too-much/
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  Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  And these are the people with whom "we are supposed to work across the isle", regarding?
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Valeantposted 3 years ago
By Wilderness' logic, not many of the people in the first or second stimulus package needed the money either. Anyone remember him complaining back then? Got to love the partisan outrage.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Like I said somewhere else, I never cease to be amazed at the angst some feel when regular people get a break from the government, but more freebies and tax breaks for billionaires? Yeah, baby!
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  You seem to forget that those "breaks from the government" is actually money taken from your neighbors. And from your children, albeit payable in a few years.
  
  But yes, the first two relief packages also went mostly to people that didn't need it. Sadly, many of those that DID need it very badly (notably small businesses) could not get anything. Par for the course from government.
  
  Is the rationale that because we bought something from a billionaire, or bailed out the banking system, from the pockets of your kids that we should next give more money away to those that don't need it, again from the pockets of your children?
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  No, wilderness, one is completely unrelated to the other.
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  You're right - the first was at least a semi-honest effort to help those hurting from the pandemic and an effort to jump start the economy back up. The second is primarily a method to give money away at the expense of our children.
  
  But they are related in that both carried the same basic name of COVID relief.
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  Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  You are making a distinction between the two pandemic relief programs that you really can't support beyond it being your own opinion.
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Again, you're right - I can't support that most of the checks are going to people that did not suffer financial hardship from the pandemic.
  
  But the figures can. If you bother to put just a moments thought into them.
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  Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Your could make that case the first time the checks were issued, so what is the difference?
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  Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Now they need something to vent their performative outrage on. Same packaging their leadership passed as they added $7.9 trillion in debt during the last four years. All it would take is a moment's thought to not be in denial about it.
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  Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Double standards seem to rule the day with our Right winged adversaries.
  
  It is "pork" under Biden, but "rescue" under Trump?
  
  And now they are going to start harping about a deficit that they conveniently ignored during Trump's term....
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  Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Seriously. They seem to forget how quiet they were concerning deficits, memory issues, supreme court nominations, and mean tweets - to name a few. Suddenly, all of these are issues.
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Valeantposted 3 years ago
The Right: I'm outraged that the government is giving people free money.
Also The Right: I'm outraged the government takes so much of our hard-earned money.
The Government: Here take some of your money back.
The Right: That's pork!

Here's a thought:

To all the people complaining about $1,400 to individuals being pork. Just think of it as a tax cut. As you say, it was our money to start with, now the government is just giving it back to us.
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  Castlepalomaposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  They take too much of our money and give us crumbs back. Because big private corporations can print trillions of dollar and sit on it, and hardly nobody cares
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Castlepalomaposted 3 years ago
Covid is claimed a war, so covid is a new war tactics against its own people . This nationalism is extremely traumatizing for most everyone and covid living too. Pass US President calling poor people or race or religion an evil. Then approved by its public then they to go over their country and murder millions of them. Leaving the most traumatized person a President as the exsape goat.
Leftists and the Democratic Party use ridicule all the time to shame their opponents instead of responding to issues. Conservatives, Republicans, and the Right should do the same, but better. Don't set me up on Ethier side, for I am an anarchist to this type of Government, Iam more of a holistic approach. I have been learning a lot about the Left and its tactics in shaming conservatives, Republicans, and anyone who resists certain cultural changes at the expense of others.

"Ridicule is man's most potent weapon. It's hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage."

Its unfair for all of us, meanwail the system has created maddness for most and moving in towards slavery. You will find the pendulum must swing.
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