Joe, You Need To Do Some Research Before Jumping In With Both Feet

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  1. Sharlee01 profile image83
    Sharlee01posted 13 months ago

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    In April the Biden administration proposed a new Department of Education rule that gives preference in grant awarding to schools that incorporate into their curriculum content from the “1619 Project., a controversial history project that is the most prominent work containing critical race theory ideas that have not been proven in any respect to be factual.  Hey Joe what about the 10th Amendment? 
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_1619_Project

    Old Joe --- Jumps The Gun And supports 1619 project ---    In Biden's rule proposal, the Department of Education specifically notes the “1619 Project,” a long-form history writing project carried out by the New York Times that has come under heavy scrutiny from historians and many on the right. Notably, the 1619 project promoted an idea central to many critical race theorists, the teaching that racism and protecting slavery was a driving motivation for the American revolution. So is the 1619 project even factual?   Historians say --- No   https://www.aier.org/article/fact-check … s-critics/
    https://historynewsnetwork.org/article/174140
    https://nypost.com/2020/01/24/scholars- … 9-project/
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/01/ … y-feature/


    The New York Times did a series of articles on the 1619 project. "The 1619 Project is a long-form journalism project developed by Nikole Hannah-Jones, writers from The New York Times, and The New York Times Magazine which "aims to reframe the country's history by placing the consequences of slavery and the contributions of Black Americans at the very center of the United States' national narrative. Nikole Hannah-Jones was warned by historian Leslie M. Harris that was hired to fact-check the series of articles that her information was not accurate. However, the NYT decided to run the piece.  Ultimately the series ended up being walked back by The New York Times     Source https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ … ake-122248

    Many critics of the 1619 project argue it over-emphasizes the role of racism in American history and is a convenient politically motivated ploy by Democrats to revisionist history.
    Republican lawmakers responded to the Biden administration with a letter l that argues taxpayer funds should not be used to promulgate the theory that has not been proven to be factual.

    Do you support the 1619 project being required in public schools, even though it holds little conclusive information?
    Do you think taxpayers should pay for schools to teach a curriculum that holds no evidence of being truthful?
    Did you even realize that the Biden administration was pushing the project to be taught to our children?

    With all the information showing the 1619 project was not accurately factual the Biden administration pushed ahead to make an attempt to have the 1619 project become part of the curriculum in our schools, and offered a cash incentive to boot!  Once again Biden has put support behind something he apparently knows little about...  In my view, the 1619 project is pure propaganda that would simply ultimately prolificate racism. 

    This president is clearly not using good judgment, and it would seem satisfied with promoting racist propaganda. I am in great opposition to the Federal Government creating a curriculum for our educational institutions.   The 10th Amendment to the Constitution is the basis for making education a function of the states. Each school district is administered and financed by the community along with that district's state government. I prefer the Fed Gov stay out of dictating to states in regard to what should be taught to our children. It is very apparent that the Biden administration has no more uses for the Constitution. They want to tell us what our children will learn in school, and make all our voting laws... Need I go on?
    It is obvious he is attempting to move America into a pure socialist county.  At least to is to those that are watching.

    1. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      If there is anything in our country today that is more racist, more dividing, than the racism obvious in declaring that one race is worse then another as Critical Race Theory I can't imagine what it is.

      Keep this nasty, lying, abhorrent concept away from our children - more than a few states have banned it entirely from our schools.  There is nothing that we could do that would be worse than teaching our children to be racists.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image83
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I do agree, and I find it unbelievable that many are not aware that the Biden administration is in full support of this kind of pure propaganda crap. So much of what this administration is doing is not being reported, and it's like a poison that is being sprayed in the dead of the night.

        Can you even imagine this being taught to our children?   I will tell you the Biden administration and media have done a great job turning race against race. I give them an A+ on that account.

        Plus what about the 10th amendment... Seems this administration is well on its way to getting rid of the Constitution.

    2. IslandBites profile image89
      IslandBitesposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      In my view, the 1619 project is pure propaganda that would simply ultimately prolificate racism.

      "The paper’s series on slavery made avoidable mistakes. But the attacks from its critics are much more dangerous...

      Overall, the 1619 Project is a much-needed corrective to the blindly celebratory histories that once dominated our understanding of the past—histories that wrongly suggested racism and slavery were not a central part of U.S. history. I was concerned that critics would use the overstated claim to discredit the entire undertaking. So far, that’s exactly what has happened.

      It is easy to correct facts; it is much harder to correct a worldview that consistently ignores and distorts the role of African Americans and race in our history in order to present white people as all powerful and solely in possession to the keys of equality, freedom and democracy. At least that is the corrective history toward which the 1619 Project is moving, if imperfectly."

      - The respected historian

      1. Ken Burgess profile image87
        Ken Burgessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Slavery was an accepted part of life, in every nation, just a few hundred years back.

        So to, was subjugation to a Crown.

        It was America that cast off the obedience to the crown for something different.

        It was America that cast off slavery, when it was still commonplace in the world.

        But I agree, lets destroy the country that cast off slavery, lets villianize the men who created that nation.

        I for one am looking forward to being led by a global super power that does not bend it knee to the whims of others, nor does it make apologies for its past, when China is calling the shots, America's past will be less than meaningless, no one will care, because America will just be one of many nations subservient to the whims of the CCP.

        And all of you, every single one that thinks they are finally getting their justice for crimes of the past, will be living lesser lives for it. So will your children, who will never have the opportinities you had.

      2. Credence2 profile image82
        Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        I may have to say that while slavery and the black experience are definitely a pillar, it is the not the foundation of the principles of the founding of America. I am not as harsh as to consider America's raison d'etre as inextricably linked with slavery and capitalist exploitation, but its significance still cannot be downplayed or mitigated by conservatives who want to dismiss many of the glaring unpleasant truths regarding American history, "whitewashing", no pun intended.

        I would find the material controversial even though I consider the truth closer to the 1619 project document than what is found from revisionist conservative type apologists. Yet, even I may find such material a bit radical under the circumstances to compel as instructional material for public schools.

        1. Castlepaloma profile image74
          Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          All and all, I am an anarchist reporting about the freaking bricks in the wall.

        2. Sharlee01 profile image83
          Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          "I would find the material controversial even though I consider the truth closer to the 1619 project document than what is found from revisionist conservative type apologists. Yet, even I may find such material a bit radical under the circumstances to compel as instructional material for public schools."

          This journalist knew her theory could not be proven factual, and in fact, was a ridiculous theory in regard to why the Revolutionary war fought. What's worse is the Biden Administration is offering cash to states that will teach it in their schools.  Even though historians have deemed the information non-factual. This is your guy... The guy you have claimed represents your ideals. The guy that has your best interests in mind. He is pushing lies, and hopes to share these lies with our children!  What is your feeling about an administration that would pursue the path of putting this crap in our schools?  I had hoped those that read this thread would address this very serious problem.

             It was Americans that took up guns to put an end to slavery. It would seem this most important fact can be ignored by Black Americans today. I wonder where we would be as a nation as a world if America did not fight to free slaves? 

          If you can't see that this journalist was hell-bent on spreading lies, that would stoke hate. She accomplished her mission. 

          I have noted that no one is addressing the fact the Biden administration hopes to have these lies thought to our children. Again making an attempt to destroy our Constitution.  This sickens me.  Hopefully, many citizens will wake up to the fact we have an administration that is very dangerous to the very ideals this country was born under.

          These radical lies will do nothing but divide our people, spread ugly hate that could eventually lead to turmoil and violence. Pitting races will never solve systemic racism, it will only exacerbate it.

          1. Virginia Allain profile image88
            Virginia Allainposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Well, you are half right. It was Americans in the north who fought to end slavery while the other half (in the south) fought to keep it in place.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image83
              Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              That is very true...  Thank God for a president like Lincoln that saw the horrific injustice of slavery.  We certainly had many in America that supported slavery.  I must say the Republican party stood for what they believed and fought for justice. Interesting how the Republican Party largely dominated the national political scene until 1932.

              When I used the term Americans in regards to who fought to free the slaves,  I truly felt I would leave it at that, and not take it to point fingers. But you are very correct it was the majority of northerners that fought to abolish slavery. 

              On a different subject --- I so enjoyed your article "Purple Plants for the Patio and Yard".
              Loved the idea, and will be adding more to my gardens. I am an avid gardener and love to find new ideas.

            2. wilderness profile image95
              wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Not true by a long shot.  People from both north and south had broken families because the fought on opposing sides.  Brother fought brother all through the civil war.  Including black brothers; blacks fought on both sides just like everyone else.

              1. Credence2 profile image82
                Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                "Including black brothers; blacks fought on both sides just like everyone else."

                What? Where in the hell did you get this? Link please? Explain.

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  "The reasons the actual soldiers who were African Americans fought for the Confederacy. Some were forced to do so by their owners, either because extra manpower was needed or because the owner could no longer fight and needed the slave to fight on his behalf. Others fought because they genuinely believed the Confederacy would win the war and they were promised their freedom once the war was over if they took up arms for the Confederate cause. Others became soldiers because they were slave owners themselves, and had the same interest in preserving the institution of slavery for economic reasons as their white counterparts. Black slave owners were not common in the Confederacy, but they did exist, mainly in Louisiana and other areas on the western fringe of the Confederacy."

                  https://ancestralfindings.com/why-did-s … nfederacy/

                  "By the time the war ended in 1865, about 180,000 Black men had served as soldiers in the U.S. Army. This was about 10 percent of the total Union fighting force. Most—about 90,000—were former (or “contraband”) enslaved people from the Confederate states. About half of the rest were from the loyal border states, and the rest were free Black people from the North. Forty thousand Black soldiers died in the war: 10,000 in battle and 30,000 from illness or infection."

                  https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/351 … ost4188780

                  1. Credence2 profile image82
                    Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Ok, Wilderness, for every rule there are always exceptions. But with the small amount of willing black participants on the side of the Confederacy, I would say that as far as Blacks are concerned the concept "brother against brother" is a bit of a stretch.

                    1. wilderness profile image95
                      wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                      *shrug* - write it off as just a small number, but be thankful as you do so that you learned something new today.

                      Did you also know there were black slaveowners in this country?  That that nasty practice was not limited to those with evil white skin?

          2. Credence2 profile image82
            Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            That's right, Sharlee, he is my guy. I don't agree with his approach in this matter, but we agree on more topics than we disagree and that is as good as it can get.

            There are many points of historical inaccuracies that can most probably be found in the 1619 project, but compared with the Rightwinger saying that the civil War was not about slavery, but states Rights is an even more glaring lie.

            Don't be so quick to praise "Americans", first of all, there was a draft in place at the time.

            Second, any one that knows a little about the history of the period would know that secession and nullification were the driving forces behind the war. Had not South Carolina attacked Ft. Sumter, and the Southern States seceded, there would have been no Civil War. Yes, there was a growing abolitionist movement. But still, that in itself would not have been enough to incite this conflict. Lincoln himself said that if he could save the Union without freeing one slave, he would do it. So, obviously the abolitionist influence was not enough to incite or sustain the war.

            1. If there had been no Ft. Sumter, the greedy capitalist and their exploitation machines would have probably continued on with slavery until it was no longer economically advantageous considering advancing automation and technology  to continue to maintain it. That may well not had happened until the early twentieth century. That had nothing to do with moral indignation, but simply, dollars and cents.

            2. What the point of ending slavery when for all practical purposes the new freedmen were treated  as slaves relative to their rights under the Constitution for up to a century beyond the end of the Civil War. No provisions were made for the freedmen, so no one has done me any favors.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image83
              Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              But you agree on more topics than we disagree and that is as good as it can get.

              What topics would those be? Ending school of choice, hoping to make it the task of the Federal Government to provide the country with voting laws, or perhaps his doing away with a pipeline that made us no longer dependent on foreign energy? Perhaps you are enjoying his open border policies, which have hundreds of thousands of immigrants pouring in across a border that Biden claims is closed. Or maybe you are appreciating the huge rise in crime under the Democrats. What is positive at least the crime surge is in Dem cities. Maybe his wonderful plan gave the unemployed $300.00 to sit home and provide millions of jobs going unfilled. Oh, and his race-baiting has clearly been beneficial to our society.  I would be interested in what in the world topics you feel you can get on board with? 

              Promises of programs like free Junior college, or free daycare. When will we construct the number of Junor colleges we would need to support even those that are on waiting lists now to pay to go to Junor college, let alone millions that would step up for a free college...  He is a huckster, nothing more.

              So, I hope you can offer me anything in this man's agenda that is even doable.  Do ya think you may have made a big mistake by voting for Biden?

              I have not as of yet witnessed anything positive this man has done. And please don't offer up he got millions vaccinated --- that would be the folks at Operation Warp speed. And his 1.9 stimulus was a gimmie. Republicans and Democrats walked away looking like heroes. Republicans pleased their base, those that wanted the cash got it, those that wanted to see the Rep say nay also got a win. And the Dems have ridden this horse at this point the horse is dead.

              Hey, I will look forward to hearing what you find positive about Joe's agenda. Hopefully, it's not just some of his unrealistic promises.

              Joe has crashed and burned, and I would assume will at this point just hang around the White House behind closed doors, and do his time. I predict the historian will be brutal to Joe Biden. He should not have let himself be so used by his party, he should have stepped away while the getting was good.

              1. Credence2 profile image82
                Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                For example, why should there be a difference in state voting laws? The federal  government has a vest d interest to prevent fraud in the election process and all the states should all be required to meet minimum standards.  Otherwise, some states would explicitly disenfranchise me because I was the wrong color as I would most likely not vote for their rightwing preferred candidate. Where is my protection?

                I certainly did not like the attempt  at insurrection by the kooky right wing and it followers last January 6th, which the Republican Party ducks when it comes down to a bipartisan analysis and remedy to prevent its reoccurrence.

                Compared to what the Republican has become and is, I can never go wrong voting Democratic.

                I find everything positive about Biden's agenda, the question is can we dispense with Republican resistance so that that it can be brought into fruition?

                We may compromise, even if the college opportunity can be expensed where student pays a little, I can live with that, otherwise we go back to the same privilege and advantages to the fat cat wealthy and everybody else is left out.

                I came around to seeing the advantage of charter schools, as long as EVERyBODY has equal access.

                The immigration issue is still an Achilles heel for the Biden administration, but after all he has been in office for just 5 months, I will give him time. At least as much time as I gave Trump to act like a grown up and take his job as President seriously.

                I have plenty to beef over regarding Republicans and their track record from my point of view.

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  "I find everything positive about Biden's agenda, the question is can we dispense with Republican resistance so that that it can be brought into fruition?"

                  No.  We cannot dispense with Republican resistance to open borders.  We cannot dispense with Republican resistance to once more give amnesty to some 20 million foreign criminals within our country.  We cannot dispense with Republican resistance to taxing the people into oblivion, or taxing the rich until they leave.  All (an exaggeration; I'm sure he has a hidden idea of value somewhere) Biden's policies/goals and all extremely destructive to the country.  Someone has to keep a lid on the man and for sure Democrats aren't going to do it.

                  Around here, and I suspect most places, charter schools are limited to those that prove they can make use of it.  Kids that don't come to school, that don't study, that don't make a strong effort to improve; these kids are not welcome to occupy seats that could go to those that can and will work their best scholastically.

                  Something I wholeheartedly approve of.  Black, white, brown, yellow, red or any other color, I approve of the concept.

                2. Sharlee01 profile image83
                  Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  "I find everything positive about Biden's agenda, the question is can we dispense with Republican resistance so that that it can be brought into fruition?"

                  This is America, we have a true split in our vision for the country. One could argue all day and compare visions. As a conservative, I can only point out that Biden's agenda is not doable due to such a split in parties, and citizen's wishes. As I pointed out in his fluffy non-logical promise of free Junor college. If he truly wanted to offer free 2-year college he needs to build hundreds more junior colleges to come close to making such a program work. I find this type of promise dishonest, pandering. Have you had a look at his infrastructure bill? If he was serious about keeping his free college promise, he would certainly have asked for funds to build all the hundreds of Junor colleges would he not?

                  "I certainly did not like the attempt  at insurrection by the kooky right wing and it followers last January 6th, which the Republican Party ducks when it comes down to a bipartisan analysis and remedy to prevent its reoccurrence."

                  AS I did not appreciate the summer of love...  Again this is America we have the same right to protest like the left. Yes, it is clear the Capitol protest was uncalled for as was the long summer of riots we witnessed. Different venue, less violence, less destruction at the Capitol.  The right has the same right to protest, the Capitol is the People's House... The streets of Dem cities were destructive, many hurt and killed numerous businesses burned.  In comparison, the Capitol protest was a picnic...

                  "I came around to seeing the advantage of charter schools, as long as EVERyBODY has equal access."

                  I can speak only on my own experience in regards to the school of choice. My Grandson attends a private school,  his school under Trump decided to give 5 children the opportunity to attend. The school received a bit of fund from the Federal Gov. The school is in limbo at this point not sure of the program for next fall.  The parents have come together to pay for these children to continue their educations if necessary. These children have become part of the family so to say. These children are black, and yes there are only five. However, the school is willing at this point to go forward offering more children the opportunity to attend.

                  The program may not seem important due to the small number of children getting these opportunities. But it is a start, and a wonderful way to work toward showing the black community we care. We see injustice, and how to progress instead of being stagnant. Deeds are just more important than words...

                  The country was moving in the right direction. We had a president that did not see color but worked for all. He did not distinguish race, he was purely working for all Americans. He fought to keep promises, he fought... We now have gone back to being talked at,
                  not to... Being disrespected fed unrealistic promises. This is very obvious, one only needs to listen carefully to Biden's promises, and use common sense to probe the true possibilities of any of his promises ever coming to fruition.

      3. Sharlee01 profile image83
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Come on people ----    It would seem no one cares to address the true problems I made an attempt to point out...

        1. An administration that even though realize the 1619 project is not based on truth, continued to push to have it included as part of the curriculum in our public schools. And offered cash incentives to schools that agree to teach it.

        2.  I had hoped to point out this kind of move by our Government goes against the 10th amendment.

        3. Let's consider the unreliable media. The NYT printed this dribble without truly fact-checking it. The author of the articles was told by a historian that her information was not factual. Yet she either did not inform the NYT or they went with it and printed it anyway.

        So, any thoughts on the all-around dishonesty that surrounds the Biden administration pushing the 1619 project, and the pure dishonesty of this journalist?   

        Do you have a problem nicking away at our Constitution? Last I knew this was a political forum...

        I am sure all can see I am on this administration butt.  My gosh, it's a hot mess, and it would seem the general public is in a trance. Unlike the last administration where so many concentrated on Trump's words, and not his deeds...  The Biden Administration stays below the radar with a media that is protecting them daily. But, this administration is at work, and their deeds are actually nonsensical, and in many cases destructive to our Constitution.

        1. wilderness profile image95
          wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          "Do you have a problem nicking away at our Constitution? Last I knew this was a political forum..."

          Our legislators, from both sides but particularly liberal ones, have been "nicking away" at the constitution for a long time.  The 10th amendment is a dead horse anymore, for anything the Federal Govt. wants to do gets rationalized into being legal.  A SCOTUS that uses political agenda's for it's decision is of enormous help here, and we haven't had an honest, constitutional, court for a long time, either.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image83
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Yes, I see your point, and it is possibly the very thought of most Americans at this juncture. And yes, the Constitution has been under attack for many decades. However, have you ever witnessed such Federal Government disregard openly for disregarding the Constitution?  Literally ignoring the Constitution even though knowing the truth about the 1619 project, and the very harm it could do to push lies in regard to our history.  I realize my words sound hyperbolic. However, I am at the point of disgust that I am unable or unwilling to mince words. Yes, the politicians in Washington mainly our Congress have stamped on the Constitution, but it is so much worse, and many citizens appear to be down with destroying the Constitution at any cost.

            Is it not time to push back, and not be so accepting of watching our Country be destroyed mainly due to our own apathy?

    3. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 13 months ago

      Fascinating to watch as our duly elected President increasingly and repeatedly puts his feet (both of them) in his mouth.

      First Biden cancels Trump's investigation into the Wuhan lab over the originations of the COVID virus (must stop anything Trump started!).  Then he backtracks and says that WHO (world health organization) should be the one doing it.  Now he has ordered a US investigation into that lab, not trusting WHO to do it's job (does anyone remember Trump's comments regarding WHO?).

      Do we really need or want a President that repeatedly acts and speaks without thought, without research or knowledge?  We might deserve it (we did elect him, after all, or at least urban liberals did) but do we need or want it?

      1. Sharlee01 profile image83
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Oh, but you left out he has given orders ---   "I have now asked the Intelligence Community to redouble their efforts to collect and analyze information that could bring us closer to a definitive conclusion, and to report back to me in 90 days," President Biden

        He is laughable... Onc again a 90-day investigation, another ridiculous bandaid to defer the heat from him, and all he has known about the three doctors that were hospitalized months before COVID spread. Leaks are very ugly and the Democrats have had the tables turn. 

        This guy uses this 90-day investigation BS on any and all problems he encounters. He is so laughable and unfit to be president.  At this point, Biden is trying to cover for his ineptness, the dam has broken, and leaks on all the Biden administration have known will now leak out.

        I can remember how Trump made every attempt to investigate the Wuhan lab, and how he was ridiculed for his efforts.  Biden rejoined the WHO on Jan, 22  the minute he took office, and they are knee-deep in all of China's lies. As is Old Joe.

        "Do we really need or want a President that repeatedly acts and speaks without thought, without research or knowledge? "

        NO! However, we had over half the country vote for this idiot. Even knowing of his do-nothing history, the fact he did very little campaigning and sounding like a very confused human being when he did go before the people. He is a tool, a man that in no respect belongs in the White House.

        No, I don't deserve it I did my homework on Joe,  I lived through his lackluster career in Washington. I don't deserve a president like Biden. I can only hope at the point citizens see this man is not capable of running America.

        I wish his handlers would keep him out of public view, not give him a forum to babble...

        Mad in Michigan!

     
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