Why don't RINOs Admit This is Assault on Blacks is Real?

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  1. My Esoteric profile image86
    My Esotericposted 13 months ago

    RINOs (today's Republican party) are in total denial and live in a fantasy world where massacres of Black, like what is depicted in Dreamland, never happened or wasn't as bad as people say.  They also deny Trump lost the election.  They also deny what happened on 1/6/21 was an insurrection. They also deny ....

    Well, https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/05 … ca-racism/ is as real as it gets.

    1. Sharlee01 profile image82
      Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

      "RINOs (today's Republican party) are in total denial and live in a fantasy world where massacres of Black, like what is depicted in Dreamland, never happened or wasn't as bad as people say."

      Why do you believe  Republicans deny that this massacre did not occur? This statement seems odd at best. You are literally saying today's Republicans do not accept this massacre happened.

      Your statements make no logical sense. You are blanketing a segment of our society. Perhaps you don't realize that is what you are doing with such a hyperbolic accusation.  I will say, and this is just my view -- This massacre has not been talked about for decades. It would seem the Dems hoped to open a very old wound using this horrific tragedy as a cheap political ploy. 

        Maybe he should do something other than talk...  Much needs doing, but Joe continues to pander in the worst way.

      1. My Esoteric profile image86
        My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Where did I say ALL? 

        Liz Cheney and at least 34 other Real Republicans in the House.  Mitt Romney and a very few of his fellow Real Republicans do not either.  That minority of Real Republicans who are never-Trumpers do not as well.  But as we have seen with the insurrection, deny or minimize is the modus operandi of most of the rest who are RINOs.

        I find it interesting that I get chastised for blanket blaming the Republicans, even though I did not, yet you are comfortable doing exactly what you accused me of with this false statement "It would seem the Dems hoped to open a very old wound using this horrific tragedy as a cheap political ploy."

        One, this massacre has never been talked about before and two, by making that claim, you are whitewashing the tragedy that Blacks are just now, 100 years later, trying to put in front and center to America that not a whole lot has changed since then. Blacks are still being indiscriminately killed by Whites.

        How did Biden "pander"? What actions should he have taken in the last 100 days he has been President?  Why didn't Trump do anything in the last four years (other than make racists statements)?

        1. Sharlee01 profile image82
          Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          I did not use the word all. Your statement used the words "republican party". Not some of the Republican party or several of,  or a handful or a few... You blanketed, you do that frequently.

          What I said ---   I will say, and this is just my VIEW -- This massacre has not been talked about for decades. It would seem the Dems hoped to open a very old wound using this horrific tragedy as a cheap political ploy.
          Note the word view...

          I in no way diminished the massacre.

          "Blacks are still being indiscriminately killed by Whites." I must say you come out with some whoopers...  Maybe you should consider the stats of black-on-black killings.  Maybe just have a look at crime in Chicago.

          Trump has a long list of accomplishments that made America a better place. he was a president for all the people. Now, Joe, he is president for a few people, some of the cronies in the Democratic party.

          He has done nothing as I have well pointed out.  He will do nothing he just is not suited for the job. That's just my opinion of Joe.

          1. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Joe has done quite a bit.  The news tonight reported that deaths in illegal alien border crossings is up, I believe, some 40%.  That's totally on good ol' Joe as he made it clear illegal aliens would gain citizenship when he got into office, and he quit deporting them except at the border.  So is the massive increase in unaccompanied children, for much the same reason.  That businesses can't find jobs is directly attributable to Joe's huge giveaway, raising the income for tens of thousands of people willing to live off his charity and stay home rather than working for what they get.  Joe is substantially responsible for the highest inflation rate in 13 years, again as a direct result of his giveaway programs. 

            He's done a lot.

            1. Sharlee01 profile image82
              Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Oh let me count the ways this man is ruining America...  I did not catch the report on deaths of illegals being up 40% at the border.  This all is getting worse daily, and being totally ignored, and poorly reported on. 

              I lay this all at Biden's feet, he campaigned on the first  100 days no one would be deported, he gave hope to many to send their children with coyotes. One can only guess how many die-in on the journey.

              One thing that may happen, many illegals that slipped in will start taking jobs that are going unfilled, working under the table type jobs. Joe has promoted people to settle for free. Problem --- we can't keep printing money. The s---t is about to hit the fan.

              I knew we were in for trouble with Biden, but I will admit I never imagined it would come so fast, and be so bad... Got to almost laugh.

              Did you watch Biden's speech in Tulsa?  It was filled with hyperbolic racial innuendoes. Pure propaganda, pure pandering. I only watched part of it, I can't stomach this type of blatant pandering. I realize most politicians pander and push propaganda. But Biden goes overboard. Just can't stomach him at this point. And he claimed he was going to bring the country together. All I have witnessed is him stoking division --- be it left or right, white or black. This is uncalled for and dangerous to America as a society. 

              In my view, the CNN special Dreamland was  coordinated with the
              White House to be aired a day before Biden traveled to Tulsa...

              1. My Esoteric profile image86
                My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                "illegals that slipped in will start taking jobs that are going unfilled, " - well, since Americans won't take them, I guess you are proposing they go unfilled.  Businesses will love you for that.

                "But Biden goes overboard." - PROOF please, since that is not true on the face of it.

                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Yes, illegals will take them.  While we continue Joe's giveaway with excessive unemployment benefits.  It never did take a genius to understand how that one was going to play out - even I, a chemist and electrician by trade, could predict where it was going to go.

                  And adding to the problem is Joe's decision not to deport illegal aliens from the interior; without fear of ICE they are quite free to take any job they want.  The only question here is just how Joe justifies his refusal to enforce the laws of the country after he swore to do so.  Or maybe he just doesn't care - he doesn't appear to care about destroying the economy or creating massive inflation.

                2. Sharlee01 profile image82
                  Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Why would some take the jobs due to Big Bucks Biden tossing out free money?  I can imagine sooner or later these deadbeats will be crying --- immigrants took my job... BOOHOO.

                  OVERBOARD --- One only needs to listen to his speeches to ascertain he dramatizes and goes overboard. Half the time making up crazy stories about his own life to suit the narrative... He is a pathological liar.
                  https://www.shorenewsnetwork.com/2021/0 … ords-show/

                  As I said, not sure how you find it possible to defend Biden. Thank God we have the internet, we can always pull up Biden's appearances, and have good proof of his lies.

                  In his speech yesterday he was very dramatic --- he talked about Chrarotsville claimed the white supremacist came over the hill eyes glaring, mussels bulging carrying torches. He asked the audience to "close your eyes and imagine"! In my book, that is pandering of the worse kind. Lying... Here is the truth. There were two sides, more on the left than white superminis.  There is no doubt white supremacists were there, and there to make a point, and test they fought with the left protesters. Both sides were wrong, both sides broke the law. But Biden did not mention that did he? He race-baited in an overly, dramatic way.

                  I have yet to find any such proof of Biden's dramatic description. What I saw in videos was two sides fighting with many forms of weapons. It was clear a two-sided fight. Race-baiting is Biden's trump card. To me, this is a bad as out and out as his long history of belittling the black race.

                  1. My Esoteric profile image86
                    My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    I only know a few of these "deadbeats" but the interesting thing is, they are all RINOs.  I live in the heart of Red America so virtually all of those who won't get jobs are RINOs, lol.

                    "... he talked about Chrarotsville claimed the white supremacist came over the hill eyes glaring, mussels bulging carrying torches. He asked the audience to "close your eyes and imagine" - So in your book, telling the truth is "pandering"?

                    Charlottesville - You really need to get your facts correct rather than listening to the far-Right Fake News. "There is no doubt white supremacists were there" - boy is that an understatement, lol.

                    This WELL SOURCED article starts out with -

                    "The Unite the Right rally was a white supremacist[4][5][6][7] rally that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia, August 11–12, 2017.[8][9][10] Far-right groups participated, including self-identified members of the alt-right,[11] neo-Confederates,[12] neo-fascists,[13] white nationalists,[14] neo-Nazis,[15] Klansmen,[16] and various right-wing militias.[17] Some groups chanted racist and anti-Semitic slogans and carried weapons, Nazi and neo-Nazi symbols, the Valknut, Confederate battle flags, Deus Vult crosses, flags, and other symbols of various past and present anti-Islamic and anti-Semitic groups.[7][9][18][19][20][21][22] The organizers' stated goals included unifying the American white nationalist movement[11] and opposing the proposed removal of the statue of General Robert E. Lee from Charlottesville's former Lee Park.[21][23]"

                    These are the counter-protesters (one of whom the Right murdered) -
                    "A large number were ordinary residents of Charlottesville who wanted to show their disdain for white supremacist groups, particularly after the Ku Klux Klan held a rally in the city on July 8."[100]  Ahead of the rally, an array of "faith-based groups, civil rights organizations, local businesses, and faculty and students at the University of Virginia" [/b] planned counter-protests.[48] 

                    The Charlottesville House of Prayer also gathered at the site [u]to pray.
                    Groups counter-protesting included representatives from the National Council of Churches,[102] Black Lives Matter,[103] Anti-Racist Action,[104]

                    and for the edification of the Right-Wing - the Democratic Socialists of America,[105] the Workers World Party,[106] the Revolutionary Communist Party,[107] Refuse Fascism,[108] Redneck Revolt,[109] the Industrial Workers of the World,[110][111] the Metropolitan Anarchist Coordinating Council,[112] and Showing Up for Racial Justice.[104][113][114] Members of the antifa movement (which FBI says are NOT terrorists or a threat to the US) were also in attendance.[23] Some counter-protesters came armed (to counter the armed right-wing).[115]

                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unite_the … protesters (make sure your research all of the sources before ragging on WIkipedia)

                    It is sad you bought into Trump's there were good people on both sides BS.

                    "

                  2. Credence2 profile image80
                    Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    Sharlee, it continues to annoy me to no end as to how "typical" white folks are qualified to know who and what belittles the Our Ethnic Group. When we, in resounding numbers, clearly state who and what that is.

                    This term "Black Race" is a bit anachronistic. Ethnic groups are more identified by cultural affinities over physical appearance. Barack Obama, the product of both Caucasian and African, clearly identified himself with the African American culture.

                3. Sharlee01 profile image82
                  Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Proof --- pull up his hyperbolic speech from two days ago in Tulsa. Just my opinion but he certainly was dramatic, and most of what he said could be considered rade-baiting... He sure pissed me off. 

                  IT has come to the point I will not be tuning into his appearances. I am ashamed to see such a man represent America.

                  1. My Esoteric profile image86
                    My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    I listened to and read Bidens speech - no hyperbole at all

            2. My Esoteric profile image86
              My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              "deaths in illegal alien border crossings is up, " - actually you left out the part, as usual, about many of the deaths being in the Mexican interior.  You also forgot to mention none of these deaths were because they were being detained like many of Trump's were.  It is strange how you forget the important stuff and simply spin and twist a bit of news.

              " Joe as he made it clear illegal aliens would gain citizenship when he got into office, " - is of course FALSE

              "Joe is substantially responsible for the highest inflation rate in 13 years," - actually, he is not. 

              "again as a direct result of his giveaway programs. " - nor is that true.

              "That businesses can't find jobs is directly attributable to Joe's huge giveaway," - as you so often ask, PROVE IT, since nobody really knows for sure (except you).

              1. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                Sorry, but not a single death of an illegal was caused by detaining them.  Rather, detaining them, and providing health care, saved many lives.  Never forget that all too many that enter are ill, either from disease, dehydration or starvation.

                If you think he didn't promise to grant citizenship go back and review his campaign promises.  It is certainly not FALSE as you claim.

                Certainly he is; while we might have absorbed the first pandemic give out, we cannot simply keep doing it.  In addition the extra unemployment has caused labor prices to go through the roof.  And that is on Joe.

                You're right - I know for sure.  And so does anyone that understands people will stay home when paid more than working will get them.  Do you understand that or do you think they will take a "pay" cut of hundreds per month in order to work?

              2. Castlepaloma profile image76
                Castlepalomaposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                As a white male, I will have Todd speak for me, who is the white male muppet.
                I'm SORRY.

    2. Kyler J Falk profile image89
      Kyler J Falkposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      Yikes.

    3. My Esoteric profile image86
      My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      The RINOs attack Blacks again.  This time it was during a Memorial Day speech by a retired military officer who DARED to talk about Black history during his speech.  The RINOs running the event in Ohio cut off his mic claiming talking about blacks has nothing to do with Memorial Day which includes (they hate to admit apparently) fallen black soldiers.

      https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat … 526983002/

      1. Sharlee01 profile image82
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        Seems you are being hypocritical ---  you supported Biden's cheap political ploy to visit Tulas and give that cray dramatic over-the-top speech about the 1921 massacre. And you now complain of a Republican talking about black history.  This is America we have free speech, this military officer shared his opinion.  Just like old Joe.  Not sure why you don't realize opinions vary, and not all are palatable to all.

        "But organizers of the ceremony in Hudson, Ohio, said that part of the speech was not relevant to the program's theme of honoring the city's veterans."

        HOW DARE THEM!  This kind of censorship has no place in America.

        1. My Esoteric profile image86
          My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          Well given there isn't a shred of truth in "you supported Biden's cheap political ploy to visit Tulas and give that cray dramatic over-the-top speech about the 1921 massacre. " - it is clear I can't be hypocritical.

          "And you now complain of a Republican talking about black history. " - guess it would be very helpful if you read what was written.  It was the RINO's who censured (by turning off his mic) this military officer's opinion about Black history.  Why don't you want this officer talking about Black history at the Memorial Day gathering?  I don't understand you.

          Even though their explanation was total BS, how did that give them the right to censor the officer talking about Black veterans from Hudson, Ohio.  Are you in favor of them censoring that American military officer?

          1. Sharlee01 profile image82
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            Ok, not sure we are in agreement in regard to the article. First not sure how you came to the conclusion Retired Lt. Col. Barnard Kemter or that the organizers at the American Legion are all Republicans?  The American Legion values its independence and maintained by neutrality in regards to political parties.  The American Legion, by legal definition, is non-partisan and supports "or opposes as necessary" only issues which impact American soldiers. All American soldiers.

            I noted no mention of anyone's political standing in the article.
            I thought your statement  -- "The RINOs attack Blacks again.  This time it was during a Memorial Day speech by a retired military officer who DARED to talk about Black history during his speech."

            Was in some respect claiming  Lt. Col. Barnard Kemter was a Republican and he had no right to speak about blacks that fought in the Civil war. And that you felt that the organizer of the event was also a Republican cut off the mike so the speakers would not be heard when he spoke about the Black soldiers.

            It would seem you appointed a political party to the speaker, as well as the person that cut the mike. Not sure why you needed to assume all were Republicans? So I will repeat my original comment.
            This is America we have free speech, this military officer shared his opinion.  Just like old Joe.  Not sure why you don't realize opinions vary, and not all are palatable to all.

            "But organizers of the ceremony in Hudson, Ohio, said that part of the speech was not relevant to the program's theme of honoring the city's veterans."

            HOW DARE THEM!  This kind of censorship has no place in America.

            And add all soldiers should be honored on Memorial Day.

            1. My Esoteric profile image86
              My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              "Retired Lt. Col. Barnard Kemter or that the organizers at the American Legion are all Republicans? " - I didn't say one way or the other, did I, what political belief, if any, Kemter had?

              But, 1) the American Legion (which strongly back Joe McCarthy in that era and Donald Trump in this era), and most other vet organizations like them are strongly Republican - one reason why I don't join one of them and 2) liberals would not have cut off a persons mic for talking about black history.

              "This is America we have free speech, this military officer shared his opinion. " - If that is true, why did that American Legion post try to stop Kemter from speaking?

              1. Sharlee01 profile image82
                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                You actually used the term RINO twice... So yes you referred to a political leaning.

                NO, the American Legion prides itself on being non-political. Do you think all soldiers in our history as well as now are Republicans? Was JFK a republican?  They support all soldiers.
                https://www.legion.org/belovedveterans/ … -f-kennedy

                ECO --
                " liberals would not have cut off a persons mic for talking about black history."

                Really, so you feel the person that cut the mike was a Republican LOL

                I am not sure or have any idea of why part of his speech was silenced. If I were to guess, I would think it may be their policy not to point out any soldier by race, white or black...  Perhaps not wanting to portray one race did more than the other.  I believe they thought it sounded political. And they strive to be non-political.

                https://people.com/human-interest/army- … k-history/

    4. My Esoteric profile image86
      My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

      A little education on how whites in America have treated minority races and religions.  From https://www.zinnedproject.org/collectio … us/page/2/

      -  May 26, 1637: Hundreds of Pequot villagers were massacred by the Puritans in Mystic, Connecticut.

      -  July 27, 1816: a fort on the Apalachicola River in Florida was fire bombed by the U.S. Army. The fort had provided home and safety to more than 300 African and Choctaw families.

      - Aug 6, 1855: On election day, in Louisville, Kentucky, Protestant mobs attacked German and Irish Catholic neighborhoods.

      - July 13, 1863: The NYC Draft Massacre ("Riots") were the largest civil insurrection in U.S. history besides the Civil War itself. White mobs attacked the African American community -- committing murder and burning homes and institutions (including an orphanage.)

      Are you starting to see a pattern here?  Notice, I won't be posting similar incidents were perpetrated by nonwhites and non-Protestants - because, if they EVER happened, they were extremely rare.

      1. Sharlee01 profile image82
        Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

        My Gosh is all I can say... Please note the dates on all of the atrocities you have listed. Now two questions.

        1. Can you point out more recent massacres? Keyword massacres) just to keep with the subject, and examples you have given.

        We all know about police shootings and the Jan 6th protest, and in no respect do I put any of them in the same context as any of the massacres you have offered up.

        I in no respect will answer or take the blame for what anyone did hundreds of years ago. I have no guilt over what any society did hundred years ago. I consider the atrocities you have offered inexcusable.

        2. Do you believe the society we have become over these past hundreds of years could bring us to massacre a race or sector of citizens.
         
        IMO race-baiting can only intensify the problem of systemic racism?  This is a very cheap ploy that the Democrats use. Instead of working on the problem, intensify it.

        This kind of politicking adds to division and hate.  It is what leads to racial violence.

        1. My Esoteric profile image86
          My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

          As to the dates, I was just starting the list.  It will finish with the current atrocities.

          Until conservatives finally fess up to all of their past and current bad deeds, it needs to be kept before the public eye.  Maybe, as a result, conservatives will change their stripes and stop hating those who aren't like them.

          Since you asked, here are a few more to show this very long history of conservative killing:

          - April 12, 1864: Confederate troops massacred over 500 surrendering Union soldiers, majority African American, at the Civil War Battle of Fort Pillow.

          - November 29, 1864: A Colorado Cavalry unit, acting on orders from Colorado's governor and ignoring a white surrender flag flying just below a U.S. flag, brutally attacked Cheyenne and Arapaho Tribes.

          - December 9, 1864: Ebenezer Creek Massacre - People who had escaped from slavery and were following the Union Army, were blocked from crossing the Ebenezer Creek, leading to their death.

          - May 1 - 3, 1866: White civilians and police killed 46 African-Americans and injured many more while burning houses, schools, and churches in Memphis, Tennessee.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image82
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            "1. Can you point out more recent massacres? Keyword massacres) just to keep with the subject, and examples you have given."

            Resent, I do not consider any of your examples resent. I am very aware of more historical race-related crimes, and the KKK's brutal treatment of black citizens. Which in my book is more pertinent than the horrific incidents you offer from the 1800s.

            As I said I don't take responsibility for any race crimes or would I support any form of violence against my fellow man...

            On the other hand, I have no solutions to solve systemic racism, and I am very much content with not trying to save the world.

            In regard to the subject of the thread, it would seem the person that objected to the speech, was asked to resign from the American Legion, and they put out a statement. The American Legion has a good reputation of being non -political. I am pleased to see them quickly handle such a blatant offense against freedom of speech.

            https://www.foxnews.com/us/legion-offic … day-speech

            1. My Esoteric profile image86
              My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              I bet whoever at Fox posted that article got reprimanded or fired.  And good for the leadership of the American Legion for recognizing racism.

              As to "recent" - I am getting there.  But, unfortunately there is so much history of white massacres of minorities and religions, it will take a while.  The point is, of course, is conservatives have always been this way and still are.  This is why I dislike conservatism so much.  You are a nurse, I am surprised you don't either.

              Let's carry on with a few more:

              - July 30, 1866: The New Orleans Massacre occurred when white residents attacked Black marchers near the reconvened Louisiana Constitutional Convention.

              - September 19, 1868: As African Americans marched peacefully in response to their expulsion from elected office, more than a dozen were massacred near Albany, Georgia.

              - September 28, 1868: Opelousas Massacre -  In response to the promotion of voter registration, a KKK like group massacred hundreds of people, most who were African American.

              - October 25, 1868: The St. Bernard Parish (Louisiana) massacre of African Americans was carried out by white men to terrorize the recently emancipated voters. (Do you see the connection between these atrocities over voting and today's RINO attempt to suppress minority voting?  Nothing changes, does it.)

        2. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

          There were race riots where whites attacked Blacks in Detroit in 1943, endless brutality from that time on consisting of murder, bombing of churches, etc. Much of it within my lifetime, so it is hardly ancient history as many of the perpetrators still live. These crimes over the passage of time more than made up of for what in the not so distant past took place in one day.

          This is not being held responsible is ok and convenient.  I guess that it is much like ones ancestors stealing millions of acres from indigenous people and the current generation, while denying their guilt remain in possession of "stolen property", as they still remain on the land.

          With the current political climate and the dark undertones of republicans, conservatives and right wing philosophies, such a confrontation as it happened before cannot truly be ruled out as not possible again, under certain conditions of stress.

          What are republicans doing to "work on the problem"? Most of US say that they do less than nothing. And if the problems are not to be properly addressed then the issues will intensify.

          What adds to division and hate? There can be no peace without justice and FairPlay, and for me that applies to race relations, politics, what have you.

          You asked what I meant by the view of those from within the trenches being different from those that sit on the side lines.

          The opinion of those directly involved in anything has to be of more value than the opinion of a mere observer from outside the fray.

          1. Sharlee01 profile image82
            Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

            II am going to be very honest, I have not noted Republicans or right-wing media bringing up the subject of the race unless they are reporting what they feel are Denacrats using race as a club to beat their followers over the head with.  I do feel the recent race-baiting being so prevalent on leftwing media is truly hurting race relations.

            "I think you may be right in regard to black and white confrontation being very possible in today's political climate. People are angry, and being bombarded with black man good -- white man bad..". 

            I am sick of this kind of rhetoric and see many around me that feel the same. And I am still after all our conversations not sure of what you feel the Dems have done or will do to help with systemic racism. All I see is growing discontent on both sides. Very dangerous, and uncalled for.

            President Biden in a video released told the class of 2021 they are graduating at an "inflection point" in history and described systemic racism as one of "the great crises of our time."

            "With the current political climate and the dark undertones of republicans, conservatives and right-wing philosophies, such a confrontation as it happened before cannot truly be ruled out as not possible again, under certain conditions of stress."

            I ask you in all the years this man was in Congress did you see him in any respect work on systemic racism? In fact, he fought for many years against the integration of public schools? 

            And now he steps on the backs of blacks offering nothing IMO but false promises. He is politicking, as he did in the '70s when he pandered using the busing issue. He is a very transparent politician. His record in the Senate shows he goes whichever way the wind blows.

            1. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

              https://www.nbcnews.com/think/amp/ncna906646

              An interesting article.

              I mentioned to you before the advantages to our group of the Biden agenda, the question is whether he remains willing to follow through on the promises. He cannot allow himself to be taken off course by obstinate
              Republicans. Stii, Trump and the Republicans offer less than nothing, I don't have any choice when presented with these alternatives. The introduction of changes are seen by whites as a personal assault on them?


              Biden is talking about attacking housing discrimination, while Trump used it as a campaign ploy to frighten soccer moms regarding a threat of poor and minorities moving into their backyard. I call that the most blatant form of race baiting. That is today, not 50 years ago.

              What do you think will happen if the white Right cannot successfully suppress minority votes politically? What will they resort to to maintain the advantages inherent within the status quo?

              Systemic racism is a pillar of American society that peopl don't want to talk about. We have advanced only that the means and methods of its practice have been refined in modern times.

              There were many on all sides that had problems with forced busing. I was caught up in it during my high school days.

              1. My Esoteric profile image86
                My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                "Still, Trump and the Republicans offer less than nothing,..." is a gross understatement.  They are actively trying to return civil society to the pre-1960 level of oppression.

                "Systemic racism is a pillar of American society that people don't want to talk about." - I do object to the term "pillar".  Systemic racism isn't what our founders had in mind in the long run, they were liberal after all. That is not an American ideal.

                Systemic racism is, however, a long-term fact of life in America fomented by a misapplication of conservative principles.  Sadly, conservatives believe there is a god given natural social hierarchy and that hierarchy needs to be maintained (because it is natural).  This belief leads to the perpetuation of systemic racism (and was used to justify slavery). 

                Liberal principles specifically refute this idea.

                1. Credence2 profile image80
                  Credence2posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  Well, ME, first I am glad that you are here as I have missed " the Panther".

                  I cannot deny the substance of your first paragraph, the danger is that our opposition will creep it all in as opposed to more direct approaches used in an earlier era. I do think that they would "go back" to more direct approaches if the kid glove methods fail.

                  As for systemic racism as a pillar, perhaps I was premature. It had not been invented yet. But the Founding Fathers allowing the clear existence of a caste system (slavery), they themselves perhaps unwittingly laid forth the groundwork for what we see today. While the nation stopped the importation of slaves in 1808, these Founding Fathers lived with the contradiction of their lofty creeds and ideals in stark contrast to condemning people to lives of unrequited toil without any hope of relief. So, for the long run, they propose nothing. Liberal is a relative term, liberal relative to what or whom?

                  Conservatives belief that there is a place for everything and everything has its place, it is the foundation of the arrogance of wealth, the idea that maintains unjustied privilege and caste systems. They are the ones that resist change, why give up on any advantage be it fair or not? Some participants would say that conservatives want ordered change, but that is fine if you are not the ones suffering within a status quo. How long is anybody supposed to wait until THEY believe the time is right? Their ideas of God given social hierarchy is just so much rubbish. My God may well tell me something different.

                  1. My Esoteric profile image86
                    My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    I absolutely do not disagree with your assessment of early America but had they gone a different route, there would have never been an America for Trump to destroy.  With all of their flaws, what they gave us was hope for a better place and gave us a path to march along to try to achieve it and a goal to reach.

                    It took 70 years and a Civil War to stop the conservatives from enslaving people - on paper anyway.  It took another 100 years to put teeth into the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments - all violently opposed by conservatives.  Unlike the late 1800s. we actually had a Supreme Court that allowed things like the Civil Rights and Voting Rights act to actually mean something.

                    Of course, as they have since the founding of America, conservatives are fighting back hard trying to take away the civil liberties that were bought with the blood, sweat, and tears of first the Union Army and later America's minorities.

                    I have my fingers crossed that in spite of all the hot, anti-democratic rhetoric coming out of Trump and his fellow RINOs, that real Americans are sick of it and will brave all of the obstacles to voting put in front of them and give Trump and his allies a crushing defeat at the polls come November 2022 and establish a long-term working democracy for the first time since 2001.

            2. My Esoteric profile image86
              My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

              Of course the Republican or right-wing media doesn't bring up news about race.  Why should they?  Their heads are in the sand about the systemic racism in America.  They want to pretend it is not real.

              You may be "sick of this kind of rhetoric" - but I am sick of having watched the systematic oppression of minorities in this country by mainly white Protestants for the last 73 years (ok, 63 years because I didn't take notice before I was 10).

              I am sick of watching this conservative Supreme Court slowly take away the civil rights of Blacks like they did in the late 1800s when they returned the South to its former white supremist position before the Civil War.

              I am sick of watching the RINO legislatures take away voting rights again just like they did during Jim Crow

              Why are you only sick of the rhetoric that opposes such things?

              And I am sick of this type of false statements "In fact, he fought for many years against the integration of public schools? " when you know perfectly well Biden actually supported integration of public schools and only opposed federal mandated school busing while supporting it at the state level.  Isn't that what is called being disingenuous?

              1. Sharlee01 profile image82
                Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                I certainly look at Biden's fight to keep black children from being bused. His very words can not be misconstrued.  He fought hard and long.

                1. Sharlee01 profile image82
                  Sharlee01posted 13 months agoin reply to this

                  I certainly look at Biden's fight to keep black children from being bused. His very words can not be misconstrued.  He fought hard and long. I found his objections clearly racist.  We share opposite opinions on this subject. I have witnessed a long overt history of Biden's racial remarks.  As I said he tends to go whichever way he thought would garner votes.  Say anything kind of politician.  I am not sure how you can deny his long history of racist comments, he never tried to hide his attitude in regard to people of color. Perhaps he was too dense to hide his feeling.

                  One only needs to look back on all the racist statements he has made, they can't be mistaken or bent out of context in my view. He has suggested blacks are not clean or
                  smart, snd used the ord jungle when stating his feelings about busing.

                  I find it so odd the black people would have support such a man, even though they hang with the Democrats ---baffles me how they could stomach Biden.

                  1. My Esoteric profile image86
                    My Esotericposted 13 months agoin reply to this

                    "I certainly look at Biden's fight to keep black children from being bused." - it is a shame you are totally misrepresenting what Biden said, but then I shouldn't expect anything different should I.

                    "One only needs to look back on all the racist statements he has made" - Why would you talk about Trump like that?

                    And I find it odd how any self-respecting woman, Black, or Latino would lie down with the RINOs who hate them so much (except for their vote).

  2. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    uh ... Trump's gun has been taken away.
    Which man would be the quicker draw and the better aim if both faced each other with fully loaded guns?

    and as the people experience Biden a little longer, who will be seen in a more favorable light? as time goes by?

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      I would not count your chickens.... if I were you.

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
        Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        I know.

    2. My Esoteric profile image86
      My Esotericposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      No question Biden will be, he already is.  I suspect Trump's numbers will sink further below their already dismal results once the indictments start coming down and the evidence becomes public - only five months to go at the most.

      Do you think Trump's CFO will flip on him?

      1. Credence2 profile image80
        Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        If Trump can be convicted of crimes and is incarcerated that will well take the wind from the Trumpers sails. And that is not an impossible outcome.

  3. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
    Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months ago

    Trump was our choice then, but surely someone new will take the baton!

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Perhaps, but on the other hand, perhaps not...

      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
        Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

        you mean ... BAA again?

        1. Credence2 profile image80
          Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

          If you saying that your side will win next time that is not a given by any stretch of the imagination.

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image75
            Kathryn L Hillposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            I am not saying that. I am open to something/someone brand new. In fact it has been so peaceful without Trump. BHA! But he was good at running the country, which you will not admit to and I don't know why.

            1. Credence2 profile image80
              Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

              Oh, I think that you know why. The last four years have been the most contentious in r cent memory.

            2. My Esoteric profile image86
              My Esotericposted 12 months agoin reply to this

              "which you will not admit to and I don't know why." - how about because he wasn't?  Trump's last job approval rating Quinnipiac was only 34%, a record low.  20% of Republicans disapproved of Trump, 65% of the more important Independents (the majority who lean Right) disapproved of Trump, and an expected 94% of Democrats disapproved.

              Do you know why now?

              1. Sharlee01 profile image82
                Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                Monmouth University poll published Wednesday.

                President Biden's approval rating has dipped 6 points since April, according to a new poll, as Congress weighs his sprawling spending plans.  Biden currently holds a job rating of 48% approve and 43% disapprove. This is down from his 54% approval and 41% disapproval rating in April. The president gets a positive rating from 86% of Democrats (down from 95%), 36% of independents (down from 47%), and 19% of Republicans (up from 11%). Prior Biden approval levels registered 51% in March and 54% in January.
                .
                The president's approval rating has dropped among Democrats the past few months, as negotiations drag on over an infrastructure package.

                The latest survey found that 86 percent of Democrats approve of the job Biden is doing, down 9 points from April. Support among independents is also down, from 47 percent to 36 percent.

                Still, the poll found that a whopping 71 percent of respondents are concerned that Biden's spending proposals could result in inflation.

                Source ---  https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-instit … US_061621/

                https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public … ack_june18

                for Friday shows that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Biden’s job performance. Forty-eight percent (48%) disapprove.

                The latest figures include 30% who Strongly Approve of the job Biden is doing and 39% who Strongly Disapprove. This gives him a Presidential Approval Index rating of -9.

                I think this week will show a further dive due to his lack to solve problems, and generally appearing to be in very much over his head. He has been ineffective at anything he has proposed.  He is a dead duck in the water.

                1. My Esoteric profile image86
                  My Esotericposted 12 months agoin reply to this

                  "Biden currently holds a job rating of 48% approve and 43% disapprove." - and Monmouth is known as a left-leaning poll although it has a "A" rating.  Based on the other information in the quote it seems to me Democrats and independents who lean Left are pissed because Biden is trying to cut a bi-partisan infrastructure deal.  That would also explain the large increase in Republican support.

                  "Biden's spending proposals [u[could[/u] result in inflation." - It is resulting in inflation.  As we have discussed before, of course Biden's stimulus will result in inflation, especially since the pandemic had us in a very dangerous deflationary mode.  Increased inflation is simply no surprise.  I am not going to worry about unless 1) it goes quickly into hyperinflation or 2) it continues above 3% past January 2022.  To economists, what is happening with inflation is not a negative right now, it is simply normal.

                  As to your other poll, I am very surprised it is that high (again, it may be because of the talk of bi-partisanship by Biden) - the demographics that Rasmussen (rated 'B') pulls from are highly skewed to the Right (1.5); the Monmouth is just the opposite, but even more so (2.1).  If you are wondering where I get that data from it is https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/pollster-ratings/

                  And why do you think he is a "dead duck"?  Is it because McConnell firmly opposes almost ANYTHING is opposes and like with Obama has promised to ruin Biden's presidency.  But, as it turns out, right now there are 11 Republicans who support the bi-partisan infrastructure bill being developed in the Senate - a bill which it looks like Biden may go for.  So much for not solving problems.

                  1. Sharlee01 profile image82
                    Sharlee01posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    " Based on the other information in the quote it seems to me Democrats and independents who lean Left are pissed because Biden is trying to cut a bi-partisan infrastructure deal.  That would also explain the large increase in Republican support." ----  I Agree

                    "Biden's spending proposals [u[could[/u] result in inflation." - It is resulting in inflation." --- Give it about a year or a bit less I feel we will see a recession. Hey, it's a wait-and-see, but the signs are forming.

                    Was it not predictable that Biden would have gridlock the day he stepped in the office, as most presidents have over a few decades at this point. So, would it not have been pandering when Biden campaigned on very ambitious promises? Promises that he well knew would meet gridlock due to being lofty, and largely expensive to Taxpayers, especially after a pandemic. Should he not be more honest, and realistic?  As I said, he well knew his lofty promises would die in Congress like dead ducks.

                    I would hope if any of his bills pass it will be the infrastructure bill. It would appear earmarks are being slashed, and it most likely will pass.

                    It appears that the HR1 bill is just laying in the Senate, and will not see the light of day.

                    Then there is this ---  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-57285970

                    This will do him in, his proposals have us printing money like never before. I myself think none of these promises will be kept. By the time this huge budget will be voted on, we will be in an economic downfall. Hey, just my opinion.

                    He needs to have better advisers if he wants to have a let's say pleasant presidency. I see at this point he is floundering. he does not address growing problems such as the border. And with Texas and Florida stepping up to make an effort to stop the flow of illegals, Biden looks like an ineffective leader. The new republican party is aggressive, and is taking a page out of Trump's book on how to solve problems --- Just do it! Don't gather committees and look for reports in 90 days. Just old school, an old ploy... It has cobwebs on it. People don't want to hear about committees, they want to hear about solutions.

                    Biden said it best ---  "I hear all the folks on TV saying, 'Why doesn't Biden get this done?' Well, Biden only has a majority, effectively, of four votes in the House and a tie in the Senate, with two members of the Senate who vote more with my Republican friends," Biden said in Tulsa, Oklahoma"

                    He knew all of this when he was making all those lofty promises... I have no respect for overboard pandering. And Biden --- that's all he has ever done in his many long years in Washington. He tells an audience anything he knows they want to hear. He always has.

                    One big reason I did not even consider voting for him. Talk is cheap.

                  2. Credence2 profile image80
                    Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

                    Esoteric, i hope that Manchin realizes that Republican resistance to his compromise proposal regarding the Voting Act is indication that the Republicans are not interested in the integrity of the voting process, but see this as a power grab toward a rule and control by a minority party. Manchin bent over backwards for them and what does he get? nada. If the GOP continues not to cooperate, then it will be hard ball.

                    The Republicans are no good and will continue to play him for a fool.

          2. My Esoteric profile image86
            My Esotericposted 12 months agoin reply to this

            In fact, for President, it is well nigh an impossibility unless they nominate a real conservative and not another RINO who only knows how to lie.

            For the other offices, you could be right given the National Democrats penchant of losing a winning hand.

    2. My Esoteric profile image86
      My Esotericposted 12 months agoin reply to this

      Probably Trump's mini-me, Ron DeSantis - who I am working very hard to help Nikki Fried to defeat next year.

      1. Credence2 profile image80
        Credence2posted 12 months agoin reply to this

        We are both living Florida and DeSantis has got his head so far up Trump's a$$ that he can see daylight on the other side. He has got to go.

  4. Kathleen Cochran profile image82
    Kathleen Cochranposted 12 months ago

    Because such an admission is an idictment on them personally. It takes a lot to own up to the fact that you have been so wrong about so much for so long.

 
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