Biden getting nervous about 2020 Election recounts?
It seems that the 2020 Election audits are not going away. Now, biden is going to try and stop the one occurring in Pennsylvania.
"Former President Donald Trump released a statement on Tuesday morning calling out President Joe Biden’s flight to Pennsylvania to stop a potential audit of the 2020 presidential election."
“Joe Biden is going to Pennsylvania today in a rush in order to stop the Forensic Audit that the Pennsylvania Republican Senate is in the process of doing. Philadelphia was a cesspool of corruption, which will soon be revealed by the audit,” Trump said in the statement.
“Why are they so concerned that a President, who never goes anywhere, would hop onto beautiful Air Force One and head to Philadelphia if it were an honest election? Why not let the audit go forward and make everybody, on both sides, happy? The results will be the results,” he added.
https://www.westernjournal.com/trump-la … snwGQQuwmU
Guess what Democrats? President Donald Trump isn't going anywhere either.It well appears that Arizona is getting ready to offer what they found, Georgia recently found a problem with ballots been counted twice. in Fulton, county and are continuing to determine how many ballots were recounted twice. _" Double-counted ballots were discovered by voters suing Fulton in an effort to persuade a judge to allow them to conduct an in-depth inspection of 147,000 absentee ballots. The judge ruled against the plaintiffs last month, but the case survived with new claims filed against the county’s five elected board members.
“If we’re finding this in Fulton County, we’re probably going to find it throughout the state. The question is, why did it happen?” said David Cross, an investment manager working with the plaintiffs. “The simple fact that it happened and we found it here means that it probably occurred elsewhere.”
https://www.ajc.com/politics/some-ballo … KIDNIOYV4/
And yes it's clear Philadelphia is next -- https://apnews.com/article/pa-state-wir … cef88165f5
https://voterga.org/wp-content/uploads/ … Errors.pdf
This man is single-handedly bringing down the Democratic party in my view. And it is really something to watch...It's something pleasant to watch. If President Donald Trump has fairly lost. If they hadn't let the cities burn and let go of those protesters and came down like a ton of bricks on the people who breached the Capital building. Their hypocrisy and lies are coming home. As far as I'm concerned, the sooner the better.
I have to agree with T on this one. He's a winner. Persistence on a given course says a lot about an individual.
The audit of Maricopa County in Arizona is complete. The democrats don't want the results released. They're quite upset about it.
There was a lot of fraud, even when the results enfolded sitting far away when I watched the results, I realised there was fraud. But I wonder what can be done, Biden has completed 30% of his tenure, but who can set the clock back?
Emge,
Many of us have accepted that the fraudulent presidency of biden will continue.
We are looking forward.
Working to put safeguards in place to keep such a thing from happening again. It is important for the American people to know fraud did occur and the democrats are trying to hide it. At this point, every democrat election victory will be suspect. The fraud needs to be revealed and attached firmly to the democrats now and in the future.
The same could be said about Cyber Ninjas. Trying to hide their process is extremely suspect. Unfortunately for them, a Maricopa County judge ruled Thursday that records about the audit are public documents under the state's open records law, rejecting an argument by lawyers for the Senate that records maintained by Cyber Ninjas and other private firms do not need to be publicly released.
The curtain is about to be pulled back on this sham fraudit.The 2020 election fraud is slowly being uncovered. This is just the discrepancy with the mail in ballots. It doesn't cover the voting machines. I believe mail-in ballots are what the Democrats used to commit the most extensive presidential election fraud in US history. This combined with Fulton county findings and who knows what will be found in Pennsylvania. Michigan has threatened to use the state police if someone talks about an voting audit there. So, the truth is slowly getting out.
"Arizona State Senator Demands Biden Electors be Recalled to Arizona and New Election Held Following Thursday’s Stunning Audit Revelations
They found 74,243 mail-in ballots with NO clear record of them ever being sent!"
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/0 … t-presser/From the same company that is going to be sued for claiming the voter database in Maricopa County was deleted by election's officials.
It is stunning to see just the extent of the fraud, and how it was pulled off. Hopefully, Congress will open an investigation on these new findings. It will be hard to prove who was behind the widespread fraud. However, IMO, this mess has the fingerprints of the DNC.
I don't think a Democrat congress would launch such an investigation.
I think it's now been established that fraud did occur.
How do you explain over 74,000 mail in ballots being counted that were never sent out?
I think an investigation needs to be done to determine the extent of the fraud.
THIS should be the top news story in every news organization.Jack Sellers, the Republican chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, said in a statement that the auditors are "portraying as suspicious what is actually normal and well known to people who work in elections."
Maricopa County:
CLAIM: Maricopa County received 74,000 more mail-in ballots than we sent.
FACTS: In Maricopa County, we allow people to vote early in two ways: 1) by mail and 2) in-person at Vote Centers. These are all considered early votes.
So this is just a story for those who don't know a thing about elections, like Cyber Ninjas.
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/maric … on-results"Republican Arizona state senator Wendy Rogers is officially calling for President Joe Biden’s electors to be recalled in Arizona and for a new election to take place after the bombshell Arizona audit results were released on Thursday.
The audit results in Arizona revealed that in Maricopa County, there were 74,000 extra ballots that were received but allegedly were never even sent out in the first place."
https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-state- … ed-1610274
https://citigist.com/featured/breaking- … -election/
It has been reported there are actually four companies conducting the audit in Arizona.
I am very confident they will be able to prove any of the fraud they find as they have with ballots being scanned twice. The ballots they have shown thus far are doubles that are identical. It well appears at this point we had widespread fraud in our last election that enabled Biden to win.So you're going with the state senator who seems as clueless about how elections are run instead of the chairman of the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors of Maricopa County who definitely knows how they are run.
Well, we'll see who can judge the truth better I suppose.
The county added this little caveat:
In addition, the EV32 Returns & EV33 files are not the proper files to refer to for a complete accumulating of all early ballots sent and received.
https://twitter.com/maricopacounty/stat … 5752740865I am going with the companies that reported the fraud to the Senator. This is new information I am very sure will be reviewed by the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors. This is just breaking, and I would think Senator Wendy Rogers has seen the proof, or she would not be officially calling for President Joe Biden’s electors to be recalled in Arizona and for a new election to take place.
At any rate, I want answers as citizens I deserve to ask them.Well, if she's anything like you and Mike running to the internet with the latest, and unproven, allegations from a company that already proved they did not understand the process when they accused the county of deleting the voter database, then I feel good about who I'm siding with.
Especially when the county noted that the files they used to formulate their conclusions did not contain the data one would need to formulate said conclusion.
https://leadstories.com/hoax-alert/2021 … llots.html
And from what was noted, there were only 2 of 30 state Senators in the 'hearing.' Fann and Senator Wendy Rogers. Sketchy.
In the last week or so after reading many accounts from several states on what they are finding, it is more than evident widespread fraud occurred, and that it worked to get Biden elected.
I would hope the GOP would start calling for an investigation by the DOJ and Congress. However, you are more likely correct the Dems would fight to keep from the election fraud being investigated.
And yes, this should be a top news story. It's a true scandal and such a disgrace to our democracy. The Democrats have always been dirty. But this is beyond anything they have ever pulled off.Here's s Fox source from a Republican election official that disputes this claim:
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/maric … on-results
Cyber Ninjas. No clue about how elections are run.
I wonder what will be found in Pennsylvania.
"Pennsylvania Senate Committee Initiates Forensic Investigation into 2020 General Election and 2021 Primary
Senator Doug Mastriano, the Chair of the Intergovernmental Operations Committee of Pennsylvania State Senate on Wednesday sent letters to several counties requesting information and materials needed to conduct a forensic investigation of the 2020 General Election and the 2021 Primary."
https://lauraingraham.com/2021/07/penns … KXV2-VAApcHere's a closer look at the facts.
CLAIM: Arizona’s largest county in the 2020 election received and counted 74,000 mail-in ballots that had no record of ever being sent out to voters.
THE FACTS: False. The claim mischaracterizes reports that are intended to help political parties track early voters for their get-out-the-vote efforts, not tally mail-in ballots through Election Day. The reports don’t represent all mail-in ballots sent out and received, so the numbers aren’t expected to match up, according to Maricopa County officials and outside experts.
“We have 74,243 mail-in ballots where there is no clear record of them being sent,” Logan said at a meeting livestreamed at Arizona’s Capitol on Thursday. “That could be something where documentation wasn’t done right. There’s a clerical issue. There’s not proper things there, but I think when we’ve got 74,000, it merits knocking on a door and validating some of this information.”
Logan based his false claim on two types of early voting reports issued by Maricopa County: EV32 files and EV33 files. He claimed that EV32 files are “supposed to give a record of when a mail-in ballot is sent” and EV33 files are “supposed to give a record of when the mail-in ballot is received.”
That’s not accurate, according to Maricopa County officials, who tweeted on Friday that “the EV32 Returns & EV33 files are not the proper files to refer to for a complete accumulating of all early ballots sent and received.”
Instead, the EV32 and EV33 files are reports created for political parties to aid them in their get-out-the-vote efforts during early voting, according to Tammy Patrick, a senior adviser at the Democracy Fund and a former Maricopa County elections official. Arizona law requires county recorders to provide this data to political parties and candidates, Patrick said.
Arizona reports both mail-in ballots and early in-person votes at voting centers as early votes, so both are included in the data in files EV32 and EV33, Patrick said.
The EV32 file includes all requests that voters make for early ballots, either by mail or in person, up to 11 days before Election Day, Patrick said. The EV33 file includes returned early ballots up to the Monday before Election Day.
That means there is a 10-day period between the final day of each report, during which thousands of mail-in votes are submitted and thousands of additional voters go to voting centers, request early ballots in person and submit them. Furthermore, the files don’t include any early ballots that came in on Election Day.
“To use these files as an attempt to understand the number of voters who were mailed a ballot or who returned a ballot is misguided,” Patrick said. “That information is obtained from the Voted File, not a GOTV tool for the political parties and candidates.” “GOTV” is short for “get out the vote.”
Maricopa County officials tweeted later Friday that they calculated the true number of mail-in ballots requested and returned in November's election. According to that count, nearly 450,000 more mail-in ballots were requested than returned.
-Just more proof that Cyber Ninjas has zero clue what the heck they are doing.
The actual cases of potential fraud flagged by the counties: https://www.yahoo.com/news/ap-few-arizo … 30209.htmlMaricopa County officials haven't been honest and forthcoming since the beginning of the audit. Their response is not surprising. These are people who could be looking at jail time if it is established they certified a fraudulent election. Not at ALL impressed with the Maricopa County officials, who are known in the Arizona, as some of the most corrupt politicians in the state's history.
So, it's not surprising they would make stuff up to cover their behavior. Another classic case of Democrat corruption.
This isn't going away. Oh, can you get a more biased, unjournalistic type of a source than Yahoo News? I don't think so.The Republican officials in Maricopa County are corrupt? Jack Sellers - Republican. Your arguments don't even make sense. Everyone not with you must be a Democrat.
And considering the sources you post, claiming bias and unjournalistic is comical. Your sources are all right-wing opinion pieces.
But here, here are a few others that state the same thing as the Yahoo article:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol … 997513002/
https://www.azfamily.com/video/ap-says- … a15c3.html
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … aud-claims
https://www.abc15.com/news/state/report … mps-claims
https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/ar … mps-claims
You know who didn't report the news, one of your sources, the Gateway Pundit. Why, because they don't want you knowing the truth of what counties actually reported.One story of misinformation ran in a couple of media outlets.
Let the misinformation campaign begin.
They quote "Arizona county election officials." Quoting them is like asking John Gotti if he ever had someone killed. "Aye, ain't no proof I killed nobody, you know what I'm saying?"
There are many of us who are not so gullible.When official reporting results from all of Arizona's counties is seen as 'misinformation', then you might not understand what the term misinformation means.
Again, "Arizona county election officials." Quoting them is like asking John Gotti if he ever had someone killed. "Aye, ain't no proof I killed nobody, you know what I'm saying?"
Now, if someone was to report the story as a bogus news outlet like Yahoo News...it would say "Corrupt Arizona County Election officials."
They've been less than forthcoming this entire audit...which is to be expected since it is obvious they do have something to hide.Ah, so now it was all the election officials in the entire state that banded together to elect Joe Biden. Do you actually hear the arguments you try to make and how outlandish they are?
No, I find your exaggeration and misinterpretations of my arguments outlandish, bur predictable. You are becoming quite boring.
The only thing illegitimate is the fraudit that continues to show that Cyber Ninjas have no idea what they are doing. Every one of their concerns is easily explainable and they have made multiple mistakes no certified auditor would make.
I'd say your grasping at straws is boring, but it's actually not. It's important to know what will motivate you to show up for the next insurrection.
So many conspiracies, so little time. And the facts:
TRUMP: “168,000 fraudulent ballots printed on illegal paper (unofficial ballots)”
THE FACTS: All of that is false. The ballots were not unofficial or printed on illegal paper, and even Logan never alleged they were fraudulent.
Logan pointed to ballots with the printing slightly offset between the front and back. He claimed this could cause votes to be counted for the wrong candidate if ink from one side bleeds through to another. He said the alignment issues were mostly from polling-place ballots, which are printed onsite, and said about 168,000 ballots were cast that way. The overwhelming majority of Arizona voters cast ballots by mail.
“We are seeing a lot of very thin paper stock being used especially on Election Day,” Logan added.
The allegation harkens back to the debunked “Sharpiegate” conspiracy theory that arose in the days after the election. Election experts say bleed-through doesn’t affect the vote count because bubbles on one side of a ballot don’t align with those on the other. Ballots that can’t be read are flagged and duplicated by a bipartisan team.
Arizona’s election procedures manual says only that ballots “must be printed with black ink on white paper of sufficient thickness to prevent the printing from being discernible on the reverse side the ballot.” Maricopa County uses 80 pound Votesecur paper from Rolland, which is among the papers approved by Dominion Voting Systems, which makes the county’s tabulation equipment, said Fields Moseley, a county spokesman.
Logan did not provide any evidence that alignment problems affected the vote count and said the issue needs more analysis."Logan pointed to a specific statement that Maricopa County (the state’s most populous, encompassing the Phoenix metropolitan area) released on the matter in an attempt to address the election concerns raised, claiming that all ballots were cast using VoteSecure paper — which is used to prevent bleed-through."
"Fann then pointed out that, if it were true that VoteSecure paper was used, there would be “no way” for bleed-through to have occurred."
Logan is correct...the issue DOES need more analysis.This was debunked months ago. Which Logan seems unable to move past so he can bilk more money from the Arizona Senate.
CLAIM: There was potential over-voting due to ink bleeding through ballots.
FACTS: If bleed through happens, it does not cause an over-vote. Elex officials program certified tabulation equipment & design ballots w/ offset columns to ensure these ballots are counted accurately.
The claim recycles one that circulated right after Election Day in Maricopa County. The earlier claim alleged that ballots marked with Sharpie pens were disqualified. That's not true. In fact, Sharpies are preferred because the ink dries fast and they do not smudge the tabulators.
This accuracy is verified through logic and accuracy tests, hand counts performed by the political parties, and post-election audits performed by EAC certified voting testing laboratories. #SharpieGate has been debunked already.
Also, if Logan has had the ballots, which his company does, how does he NOT know if the right paper was used. Certainly he would have tested it to ensure it was the right paper before claiming he wasn't sure.
Sharpiegate goes all the way back to 2018 and has been debunked since then.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politi … 912077002/It really is truly amazing how unbelievably stupid the Cyber Ninjas guy is. His latest conspiracy was basically due to the fact that he doesn't understand how the voting process works and doesn't understand the numbers he's citing as proof of fraud. His claims were immediately debunked by officials and math.
Yet, idiots then repeated his lies and expanded on them. Lauren Bobert repeated them and Donald Trump repeated them. So apparently neither one of them can count either or do math.
I wonder when Trump supporters are going to realize how badly they're being fleeced. There really is a need for sensible Republicans, those who believe in limited government and limited spending and balanced budgets. They're just nowhere to be seen.I see it different.
The elected officials in Maricopa county provided a scenario where the 74,000 vote difference could be explained. The reality is, CJ never confirmed what files they used to come to their determination. It will be in their final report. So, the people who probably broke the law are again trying to create a smoke-screen to avoid anyone realizing exactly what they did.
It's not unlike someone who has committed a criminal offense to untrue scenarios that seem plausible. It doesn't make it true.
As far as the paper goes, the election officials from Maricopa county are on public record stating they would ONLY use the stock that does not bleed through. Now we have thousands of ballot that were used on the wrong stock of paper. Why? Did they lie to the public before the election about the type of paper stock they were going to use? Are they lying now because they got caught?
Either way these election officials in Maricopa county have lied, and the heat is getting turned up on them.
So, I wonder why Democrats are so afraid of the truth and don't seek it? I know the answer, Democrats have never liked the truth. Especially about Democrats.We've literally handed you the correct numbers on mail in ballots sent and those returned. You're so far gone that you will believe anything these people say, regardless of how wrong it is.
And Karen Fann thinks the paper doesn't bleed through. Seems she has no clue either as bleed through has happened with that paper since 2018. They literally design the readers to account for bleed through.
The only one lying to people here is you. We wonder why you're so in denial of the truth. Are you so set against any government but the one you support that you'll create any reality you can to make it happen?I think I'm someone who is not so naïve and gullible to believe those who don't deserve trust. The adults are slowly getting a grip on the situation.
You'll love this one Mike, if you haven't seen it already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85sZ0MPgQnoNot thousands as Carlson claimed, 200. And the error was caught in a recount, so the changes were made to the final tally already.
https://www.ajc.com/politics/some-ballo … KIDNIOYV4/
I notice Carlson left this important piece of information out: The overall number of ballots counted in Georgia generally matched the number of voters who checked in at polling places or returned absentee ballots. Manual and machine recounts found similar totals for each candidate.
Not surprising as he is pretty dishonest.It's interesting when you realize the 35,000 people who voted and weren't eligible to vote, the hundreds or much more of double counted votes, the mail in ballots that had obviously never been in an envelope and were photographed, the tally sheets with their results that were WAY off all add up to SERIOUS election fraud. This needs to be addressed. It's becoming more obvious to those who look at the facts that President Donald Trump should have won Arizona. Now, it's looking more like President Donald Trump should have won Georgia. I wonder what the election audit in Pennsylvania will reveal? I bet it will be much of the same.
All lies. Every single one. Not a single one of those accusations has been verified. Every single one is a hearsay statement by somebody who thought they saw something, but not a single one of those was verified independently.
In court, Trump's lawyers were asked if they attempted to verify any of those claims and not a single lawyer spoke up because they didn't even bother to try.
The votes were counted, recounted, audited, court cases were tried and lost because no evidence of fraud was ever presented.
It's all B.S. and you're a victim of Trump's need to be in the media spotlight. It's a lie he started long before the election even happened in order to avoid having to admit defeat.
You repeated this lie that the Cyber Ninjas idiot pushed:
74,000 vote-by-mail ballots have no record of ever being mailed out.
This is absolutely false and comes from the fact that the Cyber Ninjas moron doesn't understand how the voting process works. But you repeated it, clearly without looking into the veracity of his statement. It just proves you're a conspiracy theorist and not interested in facts or, perhaps, able to discern facts from falsehoods.I disagree. I know it's an uncomfortable truth, but it is the truth. You want to believe the Democrats election official in Maricopa county, that's fine. They provided a theory as to how Cyber Ninjas came to their number of 74,000 votes having no record of them being sent out. Cyber Ninjas did not say what files they used. They will provide a report. The numbers of people who weren't eligible to vote, the hundreds of double counted votes, the mail in ballots that were not folded, these are all facts.
I know the truth is difficult to handle, but the Democrats committed SERIOUS election fraud in the past presidential election. The truth is slowly coming out.
Do you really believe biden got more black votes than obama during his first election? Do you think this is possible because biden said "If you don't vote for me, you're not black."You're loopy. And I'm not sure it's pure gullibility or pure stupidity, but the level of derangement required to believe the CyberNinjas idiot is beyond belief. Let's examine the actual facts.
CyberNinjas idiot claims before he was ever involved in the audit that there was fraud.
It's unclear what CyberNinjas even does or whether the idiot actually had any business before all this. He has no office. As far as anyone can tell, CyberNinjas is just the one idiot.
Somehow, biased idiot is hired by Arizona to conduct an audit. Thus, we already know what his conclusions are going to be: there's fraud!
All kinds of people in MAGA hats show up to count the ballots. Hmmm, how will this turn out?
Every person with experience conducting an audit describes CyberNinjas moron's audit as a "circus". Chain of custody is broken. Ballots are sent out of state.
CyberNinjas idiot claims there's no record of 74k vote by mail ballots. This lie is repeated by geniuses such as Lauren Bobert and Donald Trump. Except the whole claim isn't true and is quickly explained by Arizona voting officials. It's not that there's no record. It's that CyberNinjas moron doesn't understand what he's looking at.
So here you have a biased moron with no experience doing anything like this making a huge mistake and claiming fraud after counting that he claimed before he counted.
And amazingly, there are people who use this as "evidence" and claim it's "truth".
I wonder if people who believe this sort of garbage hire a plumber to fix their electricity and go to McDonald's for medical advice because, really, experts are for chumps.I know it has you upset. It's more than just the 74,000 mail-in ballots that have no record of being sent.
It's the number of people voting in the county who weren't eligible to vote there, it's the double voting, etc.
It is fraud. You can get angry by it, but you can't prove it to be wrong.
That is what is scaring the left more than anything.
No need for personal attacks, I've not made negative comments about you on a personal level. It's not necessary. We're adults having a conversation.
When one considers that the highest vote total anyone had ever gotten prior to the last election was roughly 68 million.
And you also consider all the storylines where Trump votes were destroyed or converted to Biden (reports I am sure you are familiar with).
It is amazing Trump got 75 million votes... 7 million more than had ever been counted before, for any candidate, including Obama.
Yet somehow, a guy who had been a joke of a candidate, talking about kids rubbing his legs, and caught on camera pushing his teeth back into his mouth on the debate stage, got over 80 million...
Fortunately, with all those states that changed their rules for the 2020 election, they were able to capture several million votes after the election was over to ensure the wanted results.
Since biden officially won the state of Arizona by less than 11,000 votes, any one of these inconsistencies are a cause to decertify the election results.
"AZ Senator Wendy Rogers: “I Call for the Biden Electors to Be Recalled to Arizona!”
Let’s recap some of the findings:
74,000 vote-by-mail ballots have no record of ever being mailed out…
11,000 people were not on the voter rolls when they cast their ballots…
Maricopa County appears to have violated paper requirements for the ballots…
The election systems were NOT updated prior to the election…
3,000 were NOT qualified to vote in Arizona…
And much more."
https://welovetrump.com/2021/07/15/az-s … o-arizona/You might want to read this, Mike. You're about one Trump lie away from becoming him.
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/ … ion-491975So far, recounts of the 2020 presidential election in Arizona and Georgia have found shocking results. Now, there is an audit taking place in Pennsylvania.
Michigan is also heading toward having a audit of the 2020 election results in their state.
"ANSING, Mich. (WJRT) - A Michigan Republican wants to take a closer look at the state’s November 2020 election results.
State Rep. Steve Carra of Three Rivers introduced legislation on Tuesday to create a bipartisan audit board to review the election and determine corrective actions to improve the state’s election process.
“A thorough, bipartisan review will help us identify what works, what doesn’t, and how to make our elections secure and accessible for every Michigan voter,” said Carra. “I know my colleagues on both sides of the aisle care about secure elections that the voters can trust. My plan will help ensure Michigan elections are fair, honest and accurate.”
House Bill 5091 would create a bipartisan audit board to work with contractors on a forensic audit of the 2020 election. The board would have seven members, including the state auditor general and appointees from both major political parties."
https://www.abc12.com/2021/06/22/michig … n-results/So, the final tally for electoral votes was biden 306 and President Donald Trump 232. If the fraud committed in Arizona and Georgia shows that President Donald Trump actually won those states, the electoral vote count will change to biden 279 and President Donald Trump 259. So, if the forensic audit in Pennsylvania with its 20 electoral votes OR Michigan with its 16 electoral votes is shown to have actually gone for President Donald Trump, it will prove we now have a fraudulent president in the White House.
Again, this will establish the Democrats have committed the worst case of presidential election fraud in the history of the United States. This will become more clear if the Republicans take control of Congress in the next election cycle. I say "IF" because the Democrats have proven they will cheat in any way possible to win an election.Right? So many of us never stopped questioning all of this, but we were told to just shush up, be good little subjects, accept it....blah, blah, blah, and NOW they (Dems) are so desperate to keep these 'special circumstance' voting measures/methods in place permanently......in order to continue to get the (W), that a plane-load of Texas Dems (pretending to be martyrs) (when in fact they have either let the cat at of the bag about the effectiveness of vaccines OR they are complete and total frauds and liars. Seeing as how 6 (so far) have contracted COVID-19) Whichever the case...so much more problematic than Texas making the move to get back to pre-Covid voting methods.
Next Hub material!
AB,
You are right. I think it is worth noting that all of the Democrats who became infected were fully vaccinated. News stories about this often forget that aspect of it.There was an article out that interviewed a couple of the inventors of this new vaccine, they were freaking out over the fact that it was the VACCINATED nations that were having new explosions of the virus, and as it happens, those getting sick from these new strains were the ones who had been vaccinated more often than not.
Of course, such information will not be allowed in the trending news, it was some medical journal that had the interview, my wife pointed it out. Her interest in medicine (she is a nurse) surpasses mine by a large margin.You are right.
The come back response is always "You will have a less sever case of Covid if you are vaccinated." I don't know if that's true, but Covid still has a survival rate of 99 percent.
I don't see Mike how Biden is going to get nervous because there is no way that he can be unseated and that is the bottom line. So he might be losing in 24 but that's got no relevance and in my personal opinion, he may not last till that time. Americans should start thinking of Kamala Harris as president in a year or so. I am also of the view that Trump cannot be written off and he still has tremendous support and I'm sure in 2024 he will be more than a handful. For the good of America, he should come back so he can catch the Chinese bull by the horn because Biden and even earlier people like Clinton had sold their soul to the yellow race.
Emge,
I think your bottom line is correct. The point is to show the world how badly Democrats cheated to win an election and do what is necessary to prevent it from happening again. That's the entire reason for it. biden is the head of the Democrat party, so, this will have ramifications long into the future for the Democrats. It will also seriously harm biden's legacy, not that it hasn't already been harmed by his actions.
It is a frightening possibility that harris could be president, but it is a realistic possibility.
I hope President Donald Trump gets elected in 2024. If not him, a Republican who will confront China and not run from them like biden. I agree with you about the previous administrations selling out to China.
I am about to become even more defiant {when it comes to these experimental vaccines} than I have been to date. My 36 year old son ended up in the E.R. Friday night after receiving (1) dose of the Moderna vaccine. His heart rate dropped down into the 30's, he was unresponsive and described as white as a sheet. He was out of town at the time and is okay now, but between the time of his admittance to the E.R. and his follow up yesterday with his personal Doctor, we've been worried that he had a mild heart attack or that he may have some type of long term damage to his heart. His Doctor says that it was just a very, very bad reaction to the shot and that his second shot shouldn't be a problem!!! He never wanted the vaccine, but was required to take it in order to go into Canada on an upcoming trip. I'm sorry, tell me again why a very active, very healthy, very fit, 36 year old male MUST take this vaccine?
I can guarantee you it wouldn't be a problem for me... I damned sure wouldn't get it.
When in the Army we were being vaccinated for ANTHRAX which was a five shot process. The first shot made many of us sick, but not too bad. The second shot turned my upper arm into a piece of wood, had me burning up with fever and sick for a couple days.
My third shot I told the medic to mark me down for getting it, but I wasn't taking it, he did me that favor... I wasn't the only one.
Soon thereafter we started hearing about people who went to get their third or fourth shots dropping dead. It was a big enough deal at the time that some of these deaths started reaching mainstream news.
They stopped the vaccination efforts for Anthrax soon as it started hitting MSM news, of course today that type of reporting would be buried... that was at least 25 years ago when "news" was still covering controversial topics that caused Big Pharma or Big Government programs to squirm.Wow Ken, crazy!
I don't want him to get the 2nd shot, my trust factor is depleted!
Daugherty v. Raffensperger laughed out of court.
https://www.ajc.com/politics/judge-dism … WNRIECM7M/
VoterGA's Twitter account has been banned, likely for spreading falsehoods. Wish Hubpages would do something similar to the misinformation continually posted in this thread.You need to read the article attached to your link. They were not laughed out of court. There was no ruling by judges on the merit of the case. It was dismissed because it wasn't filed in a timely manner and the senators were not properly served. This is going to be appealed.
"In court briefs and arguments, they said Daugherty’s arguments have already been rejected by judges in other lawsuits. They said the problems he cited occurred in November, not during the January runoff. They argued the election challenge was filed too late and that the lawsuit was not properly served on Warnock and Ossoff.
On Monday, Amero agreed the challenge was not filed in time and that the senators were not properly served.
At a press conference after the hearing, Daugherty vowed to appeal the judge’s ruling."
Their Twitter account as NOT been banned. It's been restricted because of "unusual" activity. I visited it as I was typing this.
It appears the truth about the 2020 election has begun in Pennsylvania.
"Pennsylvania election officials have decertified voting machines in Fulton County after Republican lawmakers had them audited following the state’s controversial handling of the 2020 election.
Acting Secretary of State Veronica Degraffenreid said in a Tuesday letter that after a software company called Wake TSI looked over the Dominion machines at the request of government officials concerned with election integrity, they would have to be retired."
https://www.westernjournal.com/controve … 8rvXEy0ryYInteresting takeaway Valeant, you see all of this as misinformation, I see it as getting to the bottom of some despicable and shady election night shenanigans and many people, in addition to Joe Biden, are very, very nervous about it! A Twitter ban you say? Wow now that is odd!
I do, as everything being alleged can be explained by those that run the elections, including Republican officials in Georgia and Arizona.
The only thing despicable and shady is Trump told you there would be fraud if he lost, starting in 2016 and kept repeating it before this election. The man's ego is so fragile that he needs to pre-invent reasons to explain why so many people do not like him.
And it's not nervous, it's trying to unbrainwash a group of people willing to attack their own government from within.
You seem to have it all figured out V. Do you know who shot and killed Ashli Babbitt? She was the ONLY one killed on the day you've described as "people willing to attack their own government from within"....but no one wants to talk about that or her, a U.S. Veteran.
Do I know who shot and killed someone who violently trespassed into the Capitol and was looking to bring a mob into an area where lawmakers were trying to flee? No, because that officer was already cleared. Odd question for someone from a party that claims to 'back the blue.'
And I think we'll disagree that an attack on our country needs to include people dying. The 140 officers that were injured, including the three that died in the days after the attack, and the 17 that continue to remain out of work due to their injuries, would likely agree with me on this.
Do I need to be there to have seen video of the shooting? To have heard radio transmissions between police that confirmed they were under attack? As a mob of people were smashing a door, after police had been attacked, and that mob was an imminent threat to lawmakers, there is a reason the Capitol Police were cleared in the shooting of a veteran turned domestic terrorist.
Who will you defend next? Timothy Mcveigh? He was a veteran too.I've only heard about a lot of footage that hasn't been released Also, I was listening to talk radio the day it happened and people that were actually there said that people were just walking in, as if invited in. Some took the bait, but most didn't. Most of the ones calling in, stayed for Trump's speech and then left
Ashley Babbitt, on January 6, was a domestic terrorist, by the FBI's own definitions. And we have members of the right on this site wanting to defend the domestic terrorists and punish the policemen who were protecting our elected reps.
It's sad you find siding with the police dramatic and shocking.Shame on you V spreading disinformation about a young woman you know nothing about. You don't know what she was or wasn't doing. You don't know if she felt safe in that environment. After realizing the makings of a set up, I imagine many Trump supporters that got caught up in the mayhem, thought "oh crap"! I hope and pray we will soon see ALL of the video and have answers and rather than just hold American citizens in jail indefinitely, we will know for sure who was a true threat and who wasn't. I never, ever made any such statement about not backing the blue....and you've dared to link "HP members on the right wanting to defend domestic terrorists and punish the police" because I simply questioned what exactly happened to Ashli Babbitt. How Dare You!!! Maybe you're okay with unarmed women (or men) being shot and killed, seemingly without cause and without explanation, I'm not! It goes against EVERYTHING this Country once stood for!
Sorry Mike...this has taken a much different direction. I apologize. I'm out!
Misinformation? I watched the video of her shooting. I know exactly what she was doing. Did you? You claim misinformation from a point of a lack of information. Shame on you for defending someone that attacked our government, shame on you for trying to justify an attack on police.
She was definitely a threat as she was trying to break through a doorway and was repeatedly told to get back while representatives were fleeing behind these police. This after reports of police being attacked and beaten, all while crowds were chanting to 'hang Mike Pence.'
To say there was no cause is a downright LIE. If a group has already proven they are willing to attack police, and they are breaking through a door to rush other police, those that would back the blue would see no issue in allowing the police whatever means to defend themselves. Trying to unmask the name of the policeman, which would definitely subject that person to death threats, is definitely NOT backing the blue.
I don't think the Trump supporters thought, 'oh crap' until they started arresting people. Many proudly posted images and videos of themselves inside the Capitol while breaking the law.
And there is plenty of video available if you'd actually go search for it instead of remaining in one's safe right-wing media spaces.100%
I posted his video, but this is what a REPUBLICAN said about it.
Lawmakers from both parties who were present at the moment when Babbitt was shot have spoken out about the dangerous behavior of the crowd.
“The mob was going to come through the door; there was a lot of members and staff that were in danger at the time,” the Oklahoma Republican congressman Markwayne Mullin said, according to Fox News.
He defended the police officer’s decision to shoot Babbitt: “His actions will be judged in a lot of different ways moving forward, but his actions I believe saved people’s lives even more. Unfortunately, it did take one, though.”
Hi Sharlee, I am very well aware of V and his Girl Friday! In the old days, before TDS took hold, I could have discussions and disagreements and debates with V and with others, we could walk away to discuss another day, but I am SO done with them and with several others here. I do best to stay away from the forums!!
I don't know if you were here a few years back, but I constantly found myself defending the speech of a few more Conservative types (no longer here) and although I was never banned, I was ostracized! HP dropped my 'score' from nearing the 90's to 24...crazy huh, no explanation, but I lost followers, I lost the potential for followers, I lost all of the momentum I had going (I'm sure being given a score of '24', was intended to hurt me and have me leave) but I am just so darn hard-headed!!
I am still here out of principle alone, it has taken many years to get my score back up somewhat (not to what it was) but.....I think it's smart to stay clear from some here. However, I enjoy conversing with you, and I appreciate the threads you post. I think it is easy to spot those that are out for conversations that are more of an argument than a discussion.
I sort of appreciate being able to watch this type, study their off attitudes, and ability to show complete hypocrisy at the drop of a hat.
I have come to the opinion this sort really doesn't see themselves as others do.
There was cause, there was explanation. Maybe YOU dont know what she was doing. That's what reading/watching only far right news do.
She was a Qanon follower, believed in conspiracy theories, had contact with some of the groups that made plans and was part of the violence that day. There are videos. I've seen her twitter. There's testimony.
If you dont want to know, it's ok. I know some are trying to push Ashli the martyr... Good luck with that.
“Nothing will stop us....they can try and try and try but the storm is here and it is descending upon DC in less than 24 hours....dark to light!” she tweeted the day before the rally, referencing key QAnon slogans.
Well, she was wrong.
A The Guardian article about her, for those who want to know.
"And we have members of the right on this site wanting to defend the domestic terrorists and punish the policemen who were protecting our elected reps."
I have followed this thread, I can see no evidence that anyone defended domestic terrorists or the intent to discredit law enforcement. This is a very questionable statement. You seem to think you can accuse others of infractions without any cause or factual evidence. You quickly make most conversations personal.
Plus, you rarely stay on subject...'Plus, you rarely stay on subject...'
The outcome of Trump's brainwashing people to believe his Big Lie was January 6th. Pretty sure that's still on subject. AB brought up Babbitt, not me.
I note how you changed my word punish to discredit to fit your own meaning. Unmasking the identity would definitely be a punishment that would subject that person to death threats from the right. And yes, claiming Babbitt was some unarmed woman taking a tour of the Capitol on a bright, sunny day is a defense by trying to change the whole narrative to make her out to be some innocent. Not remotely close to the truth of what occurred on that day.
She joined a mob in attacking police and trying to halt the peaceful transfer of power that was a staple of United State democracy.
Here is how the FBI define domestic terrorism. The actions of January 6 certainly fall under these definitions.
https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/fbi … y.pdf/viewI try to stay on subject, it becomes hard with some. I mean come on, your second sentence in this comment is all Trump.
I used the word discredit to indicate no one here attempted to harm the good reputation of the officer, that in itself would be a huge form of punishment to a police officer.
I don't think anyone on this thread disputed Ms. Babbitt joined in on that day, or that she was killed due to her decision. I can't even see anyone defending her actions. What I see is AB offering an objective opinion, and yes questioning your words.
I am very much aware of the FBI on several occasions using the words domestic terrorism. It was you that brought those words into the conversation.When it comes to Ashli Babbitt, many people forget some key points.
Her death is listed as a homicide.
Ashli Babbitt was unarmed.
She was an immediate threat to nobody. The being who shot her opened a door, pointed his weapon from inside an enclosure and fired. The lawsuit that was filed by her family contends there was communication between the being who murdered her and the capital police coming up the steps. This is additional proof it was a murder.
The being who shot her as cleared, by other capital police. I wonder if anyone knows they are not subject to the same laws as other police departments around the country, because they work directly for congress?
They have no oversight board or review board. When they shoot someone, the shooting is not subject to the same review as other police departments around the country.Listed as a homicide by whom?
Unarmed people can still be a threat. And that was noted during the investigation by the DOJ that cleared the officer as well.
'The investigation revealed no evidence to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that the officer willfully committed a violation of 18 U.S.C. § 242. Specifically, the investigation revealed no evidence to establish that, at the time the officer fired a single shot at Ms. Babbitt, the officer did not reasonably believe that it was necessary to do so in self-defense or in defense of the Members of Congress and others evacuating the House Chamber. Acknowledging the tragic loss of life and offering condolences to Ms. Babbitt’s family, the U.S. Attorney’s Office and U.S. Department of Justice have therefore closed the investigation into this matter.'It is going to be interesting to see what the lawsuit discovers. This will provide a different perspective.
I think anyone watching that video can see the policemen did not need to take that shot. She was on the other side of the door. In my view, they did not prosecute the officer due to the fact it would be hard to prove he did not feel threatened. It will be interesting to see what happens with the family's lawsuit. I am sure we will learn much more about what happened when we learn what witnesses have to say.
'I don't think anyone on this thread disputed Ms. Babbitt joined in on that day, or that she was killed due to her decision. I can't even see anyone defending her actions.' - Sharlee
'No Police Officers were killed that day, only a defenseless, unarmed Veteran and no explanation for it!' - ABWilliams, 1 page back
And it's rather hard to show how false the big lie that is the topic of this thread without mentioning Trump and his history of claiming false fraud as early as 2016 in the hopes of deprogramming his followers, to avoid them violently attacking their own government again.
And yes, I brought up domestic terrorism. It goes to the point that AB mentioned, that we used to have the ability to converse. One of us is now following and defending a group that committed an act of domestic terror against the US.
Many seem to have moved further from the middle. I did not support the far points of my party by supporting Sanders. My candidate was the moderate, my 2016 vote would have been Kasich if he got the nomination instead of Clinton. I am fine where I stand, willing to engage the right, even the far-right here, in the hopes to bring them back towards the middle.You can ignore the evidence in Georgia and Arizona all you want. You can rationalize the finding even more. The reality is the alleged "Big Lie" it turning out to reveal the "Big Fraud."
Who is ignoring it? It's all easily explained by elections officials, as opposed to you who believes people with zero elections experience. Every time you make a claim, I look into it and can provide an explanation that fits within the process that should take place during an election. You just choose to ignore those simple explanations to cling to your alternate reality.
It is not all easily explained by election officials. Nobody has offered an explanation for all of the voting irregularities.
Everything from people voting in the wrong county, to double voting, to ineligible people voting and more. In Fulton County there were stacks of mail-in ballots with no crease in them being counted and much more.
Since the margin of victory in Georgia and Arizona are 11,000 and less...fraud is looking more like the reason for a biden victory in those states. Lawmakers are trying to get forensic audits in Michigan and Pennsylvania.
I will concede that it won't change the occupants of the White House, but it will show the world how low democrats go to win an election.
I also shared a poll that reveals that 50 percent of Americans believe the forensic audits occurring are a good thing. The number of people seeing the fraud is increasing.
"No Police Officers were killed that day, only a defenseless, unarmed Veteran and no explanation for it!' - ABWilliams, 1 page back"
This is not a defense but a fact. Ms. Babbitt was unarmed, she was a vet, and no officers were killed. And thus far we have not had an explanation as to why this officer shot Babbitt. We can assume or have an opinion, but no one even knows who this officer was or anything of his testimony when questioned.
The thread is about Biden becoming nervous about possible voter fraud, on going audits in various states.
I don't personally have a problem with the words domestic terrorism. We have been experiencing plenty in the past year --- the summer of love riots, crime in our streets since defunding many police departments, and know people feeling emboldened to just walking major retail businesses
and walking out with merchandise. Certainly, all of these examples could work to make citizens feel somewhat terrorized in my view. I consider anyone that lost a business last summer love protest victims to domestic terrorist. This is my opinion. I find some hypocritical to look at one riot in our Country any different than another. Destruction is destruction, loss of life is loss of life. I am not in the habit of compartmentalizing to suit an ideology.
"the committing of terrorist acts in the perpetrator's own country against their fellow citizens."
I also try to stay in the middle and keep a level head.No, it is not a fact. There were plenty of explanations for it. And no, she was not defenseless. She was breaking in and threatening members of Congress. She was seen as a threat to the security of members of Congress and that has definitely been explained.
I also can see the riots last summer as domestic terror, with one big difference, they were not aimed at stopping the peaceful transfer of power. Rioters should be arrested, just as insurrectionists should be. No one has ever denied that. That the right lumps those who support not shooting black people in the streets with all the rioters, who were opportunists from many different backgrounds, is an issue unto itself.
I would disagree with those supporting the big lie being in the middle any longer. They can side with a proven liar (2016 - same fraud claims, no fraud found) over the courts, election officials, the DOJ, and the FBI. They have left being part of a functioning democracy and moved into authoritarianism.
You really should go watch more footage then. No wonder you think it was some peaceful 'lovefest.' Watch the footage of Trump supporters beating cops, crushing them in doorways, and watch the actual footage of Babbitt getting shot. She was trying to bash a door in while standing among a large group of people as reps were being evacuated. The group was warned multiple times to desist. They definitely posed a threat.
I never said it was a "lovefest". The rally itself was peaceful. I have seen some footage, but not all, because, as I stated, all of it hasn't been released.
You already know everything, so I am sure none of this interests you. Later.
https://youtu.be/VuwW90W0b4c?t=99
Let Rep. Markwayne Mullin, R-Okla., explain it to you.
No Police Officers were killed that day, only a defenseless, unarmed Veteran and no explanation for it!
Also, if you are going to bring up Police Officers who have been attacked and/or died and I'm positive they'd agree with me.....you need look no further than Antifa and BLM.Plenty of explanation as I noted above for Babbitt being shot.
So now you want to justify attacking police? Saying that if BLM and Antifa protests led to violence, that excuses Trump supporters doing so. You won't ever hear me making that argument.
And you can have your opinion that the events of January did not lead to the deaths of three police officers. I, and many other Americans, will believe the opposite.
It seems there are even many Democrats who don't believe biden was elected fairly.
"Poll: 10% Of Democrats Say Joe Biden Did Not Win Election Fairly"
"Things are starting to get so bad for Joe Biden that even some Democrats are starting to doubt him.
According to a survey from Rasmussen Reports, 10 percent of Democrats don’t think Biden was elected fairly.
While that number itself is not very high, it still speaks volumes that even 10 percent of Democrats have doubts about the 2020 presidential election."
"— In February, 34% of Likely Voters did not believe Biden won the election fairly. In an April survey, a majority of voters (51%) believed it was at least somewhat likely that cheating affected the outcome of the 2020 election"
"The poll also found that 55 percent of Americans support election audits taking place in key states around the country."
https://conservativebrief.com/turn-on-b … _medium=PP
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