Build Back Better Do We Need All These Safty Nets?

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   Sharlee01posted 3 years ago

   
   This thread is about the Build Back Better bill, not the infrastructure bill.
   
   The  Democrats have described Joe Biden’s Build Back Better (BBB) plan as a vast expansion of the social safety net.  Is not a safety net employed to catch you are falling?  This kind of thought in my view,  is not the stuff inspiration is made of.  First, one might ask -- Is America falling, have we become a country that needs safety nets?
   
   Is it necessary to provide our nation's children with a monthly government check?  As a rule or what I have thought the norm, children dream of growing up to be movie stars, nurses, doctors — jobs that will give them some form of purpose, a role they hope to play in society.  In my long years, I have not run across a child that dreamed of growing up to live off the Federal government. It is unsure if the child "safety net" will make it into BBB, so far it remains in the bill. Perhaps our Government needs to go back to work on an agenda that promotes work, jobs not the party of social safety nets.
   
   Although  Biden in his earlier months did use the word "jobs".    Unfortunately today, too many Democrats on Capitol Hill are talking more about safety nets than jobs., and BBB if closely read, promotes an abundance of safety net.
   
   It would seem many in Washington have forgotten about blue-collar Americans,  who make up two-thirds of adults in the country. Does  “free college” which is in the Build Back Better bill help them?  Could an increase of pre-apprenticeships for people to get into the trades, a far more attractive aspect to blue-collar voters, than free college?  Has the BBB ignored the blue-collar workers?
   
   Is BBB  really offering problem solutions a way to get Americans back to work, prepare workers for 21st-century jobs, or will this form of problem-solving lead to more societal problems?
   
   Let's consider Universal pre-K and quality child care is paid for by the Federal government.   It seems odd to me that before COVID we as American's coped with our children's child care. Are we know a country that needs the Government to pay for our child care?
   
   The reality is that, while many anti-poverty programs could offer simple solutions, but do these solutions work to improve the social fabric of communities?  Could supporting vulnerable people keep them ultimately vulnerable?  It would seem no one really knows what would happen if we really did transform into a society where the vast majority of people lived off “universal basic income” instead of work, works.
   
   Lot's to think about ---  What is your opinion on adding so many social programs to America?
   
   The rich's taxes at this point supplied 40% yearly to our coffers.  Do you feel they need to pay more?   Should the rich be held responsible for supporting the poor in America?
   
   The Build Back Better Bill is over 2,500 pages, and not available for Amerian to read. Many Republican representatives claim they have not seen the bill.
   
   What more could be lurking in this huge bill? Are you at all concerned about what's in BBB?

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      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Regardless of your opinion on this one, Sharlee, I believe low cost or free trade schools and community college education is a good idea. I will stop harping about inequality when people have the resources and can take action to improve themselves.
      
      Offering education and job training as opposed to a continual cycle of welfare and dependency seems reasonable to me. Some of those jobs would involve child care, so other folks can train and work.
      
      America remains shortsighted in the failure to invest in people, catering to the caprice of the wealthy solely is not consistent with a viable America in the long term. When you can bet our adversaries are leaving nothing to chance in educating and preparing their people for a prominent place on the world stage.
      
      No more tinkle down from the top, we build from the middle class.
      
      But, again that what makes me a progressive.

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         Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this

         We can agree that if money is set aside for both or free trade schools and community college education is a good idea. The bill not being available yet to view, I could not find any solid information on cash for trade school.
         I support better education, in my view would work help solve problems and make problems.   Offering good education incentives is a plus.
         
         I am so pleased you shared your view. Sometimes we don't agree, but I always depend on you will take the time to share.

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         GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

         "tinkle" (he-he)
         
         On a different note: What if there were a return to `shop' classes, (remember those?)? Maybe with ties to a 2-year "graduate" course?
         
         GA

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            Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

            GA, at this point I am willing to try and oblige anything that moves us in this direction.
            
            Perhaps (trickle) may describe it better.

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               Ken Burgessposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               We will move in the direction the International Corporations, Financial Institutions and Agencies want us to move in.
               
               https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTBWfkE7BXU

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                  Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

                  That may be true in any case, but at least something is being done, rather than just acquiesce to the sinister forces you are speaking about.
                  
                  Thanks for link, reading a bit more about Chomsky shows him to a individual whose ideals, criticisms and aspirations are closer to my own.

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               GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this

               yeah, "trickle" does the job.
               
               GA

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      Kyler J Falkposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      The only problem I see with this situation as it concerns kids is that we do not allow for a system that regulates people's birthing rights. If the government is willing to support me and my children outright, I'd like to have at least two more children. Alas, as of yet I cannot afford a second, let alone two more.
      
      However, I'd like to point out that I have a household income in the six-figures range and still cannot afford proper daycare despite my ongoing income growth. The cheapest quality daycare I can find in my area costs $250 per week, five days per week, for only three hours per day. For that same amount, I could hire an entirely new associate with glowing qualifications, but I can't afford that either.
      
      The next level of daycare down is the same price, same amount of time in the daycare, and they have no structured education.
      
      If that is fair, affordable, and up your alley, I wish I could be you.

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   wildernessposted 3 years ago

   As far as I can tell, Biden's grandiose plan is nothing more, and nothing less, that yet another Marxist wealth redistribution plan.
   
   The OP was right - our children have always been supported by their parents, and there is no real reason that the vast majority of them cannot be now. 
   
   I could support free trade schools, and perhaps even 2 year community colleges...given that the reason for attendance is not to simply get the first two years of a 4 year program for free.
   
   But the rest of this boondoggle; just another way to move wealth around, taking from those that have earned it and giving it to those that have not.

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