Racism, Institutional or Otherwise, in America
I have a revelation, maybe the Republicans are not racist.
They have to use what ever tools available to defeat a demographic that consistently votes against them. My complaint is that they use unethical approaches to disenfranchise those that oppose them. They must use whatever leverage available to neutralize the power and influence of an anti-Republican constituency, any anti-Republican constituency. While, I have to look back a long time ago, they were not always the bad guys.
They are after the youth vote, in certain circles that has been murmur about raising the voting age back to 21 as a reaction to the drubbing they received last fall with much of it attributed to large numbers of young voters.
If my demographic supported Republicans in large numbers, I think that their behavior would change accordingly.Anybody who has studied history knows that the then-liberal 1864 Republicans were a friend of sorts to Blacks.
They also know that then-conservative 1864 Democrats were an absolute enemy to blacks.
Times change, however. Today, the now-liberal 2023 Democrats are friends to Blacks (who make up a not insignificant part of the Party) while
the now-conservative 2023 Republicans do everything they can to oppress Blacks once again, just as their 1864 conservative Democrat predecessors did. One subtle way of doing that is denying that there is institutional racism in America when they know that is a lie.The Republican Party has always been a pro business party. The split began over this culture issue stuff that began with Barry Goldwater that was in opposition to Civil Rights in 1964.
Once the Republicans took on this tack, we were on a collision course, nothing else was possible. Everything they stood for was in direct contradiction to the movement, and they, within their own platform, assumed an anti-black posture.
If there is no institutional racism in America, why are Black families forced to "whitewash" their homes in order to get better appraisals?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/15/us/real- … index.htmlWilderness and i discussed this issue sometime back. It appears that these incidents may well be more than mere aberration.
The Black families affected need to become litigious to a greater degree, penalizing the practice and warning other racist appraisers of the consequences and risk they take if they are caught.They absolutely do. There is zero doubt that racism (against ALL races) exists in this country. And it is all illegal and should be fought against at every step...by anyone that is targeted by it.
Whether refused an honest home valuation or entrance to a school because a different color is desired. Whether hassled by police on a steady basis or refused job consider in favor of a different color, ALL racist activities need to be fought. In the courtroom, in public forums, everywhere it can be.ALL Races, right. Sort of like there were good Nazis at Charlottesville.
There is ZERO systemic racism against whites in America. There may be individual cases of it by pissed off Blacks, but there is no organized racism against whites, period.
CNN -
People of color in the US face heightened risks of harm from climate-induced disasters. Now, non-profits are pushing to remedy that disparity with more equitable approaches to disaster preparedness, response and recovery.
WOW! CNN printed a dirty world in conservative circles (or at least in Florida) - equitable and Climate-induced
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/14/us/racia … index.htmlA bigger WOW, for me, was to see CNN extend the victimhood concept all the way to nature - Climate change itself is now racist and unjust.
"Until we really address the root issues of climate injustice, we’re going to continue to see a disproportionate impact as it relates to disasters in Black and historically excluded communities"Why do you say CNN did that? They only reported it. That is the problem with your side trying to pin everything on the reporting of the news.
And of course your Climate Change Itself comment was meant to be hyperbolic sarcasm rather than reality, correct? Or, are you trying to suggest that the root cause of climate injustice is climate change itself, LOL.LOL OK, you got me. CNN only reported what Conner said, and which fit perfectly into their own rant of the injustice of it all.
Isn't this so sad
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[i]"I was cradling my newborn son one night in November 2016 when I suddenly began to sob. Something had dawned on me that filled me with fear.
I was the mother of a Black son in America.
I was born in Kenya and moved to the US after high school to attend college. I have long felt a conflict between my race and my nationality.
In some ways, I didn’t know I was Black until I came to the US."[i]
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/16/us/race- … index.htmlIt is indeed a sad statement on the human race. As has been discussed in these forums before human beings (as most animals) have a strong tendency to fight against anything different; to refuse to accept it.
(I wonder if this woman you refer to had been white if she would absolutely been aware of it while living in Kenya)Then explain why the Muslims, Croats, and Serbs got along so well for so long in modern day Bosnia before a few Serb strongmen started their racist war.
Why is it generally normal to black and white kids get along well in elementary school? Because it is natural to get along with your friends, at least until racist parents change that mindset in their children.
Good question about the role reversal. But we are talking about America. And, in any case, Kenya for centuries was run by White Supremist. I would imagine after the Blacks through off their shackles, there was backlash against their white oppressors. But in modern day Kenya, they seem to be making strides to eliminate (as much as you can do that) discrimination in that country. Maybe America could learn a lesson or two from their efforts.
https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases … port-kenyaFrom your post: "I have long felt a conflict between my race and my nationality. In some ways, I didn’t know I was Black until I came to the US."
It's all about the US? Not by your quote. "Conflict between my race and my nationality (Kenyan)" has little to do with the US.
Or maybe America could teach Kenya, for America has probably made more progress in the last 75-100 years than the rest of the world combined. (Notice that "progress" does not mean the goal is reached)What have WE got to teach them, how to hate? Russia and China made lot of progress as well; Russia beat us to space, remember. And they built a larger nuclear force than we did - that IS racket science. China's economy beat the hell out of ours over the last few decades and now they have a larger navy.
No, you settled on another false equivalency it seems..Hmm. I thought we were discussing racism, not technological progress. My bad.
Again sharpshooting now added to obtuseness.
You really have to stop your selective reading.
Here - let me highlight what you refused to read:
"Something had dawned on me that filled me with fear.
I was the mother of a Black son in America.
I was born in Kenya and moved to the US after high school to attend college. I have long felt a conflict between my race and my nationality. She felt that AFTER she moved to America.
Why did you cherry pick the next sentence after that and commit disinformation?Then she did not feel it for long, did she? Nor was it between her race and her nationality, for she was Kenyan.
Unbelievable. I really do feel sorry for you.
Well, ESO, Louisiana is a trend setter taking the next blantant step in whaitewashing American history and they want to do it at the university level throughout the state.
So what's next?
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republican-s … 03068.htmlHey, someone has to keep up with our own white supremist, DeSantis.
On another note, I think I am done conversing with people on these forums who are so obtuse, brainwashed by the right-wing, and basically devoid of evidence and logic. My time will be more productively spent posting truth about current issues such as MAGA's attempt to take down democracy and establish a Trump or DeSantis-style authoritarian regime.
Have you read the latest about Herr Ron's attack on big business?
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/17/politics … index.html
Actually, ME, those groups got along because the communism they lived under restrained them. As soon as "the wall" fell, they started killing each other again until we intervened.
It gets worse. Remember the 16-year old black teenager who was shot by the 83-year old white guy because he rang the doorbell at night? Well it seems after getting shot twice, once in the head and again in the arm as he deflected a heart shot, he was able to seek help. After trying several houses one finally came to his rescue - but only after disobey the 911 operator who told her to stay indoors since there was an active shooter around. After a bit, the lady went outside with towels to try to stop the bleeding.
BTW, the 83-year old white guy meant to kill. After getting hit in the head, the teenager fell to the ground. The white guy stepped outside and shot him while he was on the ground. As the black teenager ran away, the old white guy said something like - "don't come around again".
In the same story, there was this aside "The shooting also came days before a 20-year-old woman was shot and killed in upstate New York after she and three others accidentally turned into the wrong driveway." Both were white, there were no words spoken, no one got out of a car. It was just one of those law-abiding men who decided it was OK to shoot into a car that was on his property by accident.
Also interesting is the White on Black attempted murder, the shooter was out of jail withing two-hours in Missouri while the guy involved in the White-on-White shooting in New York is still in jail on murder charges. Different cultures, I guess.The old guy was taking out much of that shrouded anger and resentment against black people in a way that would allow him to justify it. That is the real fuel that drives the Trump phenomenon, the one that cannot be admitted to openly.
Who shoots a 16 year old kid once he is down who has not presented any real threat?An old man incredibly afraid of anything different.
Not excusing the act; that man needs removed from society (as does the one that killed a girl turning around in the wrong driveway) before more damage is done.Good thing they had guns to act on their delusions??
Differences are a feature of life and its reality.
This idea of "stand my ground" is not an defense and we are agreement that such behavior needs to be aggressively prosecuted.
Is THIS another form of institutional racism. "A new study shows that having Black doctors in a majority-Black community can increase the life expectancy of Black patients by 10%. Doctor Kameelah Phillips joins "CNN This Morning" to discuss the new findings.
03:20 - Source: CNN"
https://www.cnn.com/videos/health/2023/ … td-vpx.cnnBlacks refusing to go to white doctors or not following their directions is institutional racism?
I guess it is, but not the way you mean it.Blacks refusing to go to white Doc's --- I call that discrimination. Oh well, maybe there is a new definition of discrimination.
Thus far this is the definition --.
the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people, especially on the grounds of ethnicity, age, sex, or disability.
Do we need to get that definition changed?
Man, it's all half ass-backward. LOLI have seen comments where it is not possible to discriminate against the white race, where racism directed against whites is not racism at all.
That seems to be where we are at.Yes, it would seem we are at that point. I am not sure this kind of mindset is in any respect productive when it comes to racism. What I see is more problems will arise in regard to race relations. And that is unfortunate. I think blacks have now lost ground in race relations.
Where did you get that from, wilderness?
No where in the video was the any mention of Blacks refusing to go white doctors.
There is a psychological undercurrent and a subconscious and conscious bias shown when the example was given on black potential moms being denied drug and medications more than white potential moms with no discernible difference between the two.
Whites are still fundamentally distrusted amongst much of our number to not do nor give their best within our communities. That sense drives more people of color to not embrace preventative medicine in the way that they should.
And No, Sharlee we haven't lost ground but there is a problem in listening and reading comprehension that certainly comes to the forefront in issues like these.It was a question, not a fact.
But I am unable to understand why black doctors improve the life of black people when they are available. The only two things I could think of is that having more melanin in the skin means you are a better doctor or that blacks don't go to white doctors. Of the two, the second seemed more likely.
You appear to agree with that, leaving only the part of the question about racism or discrimination. If blacks "distrust" white doctors isn't that racist?Fair question
I can assume that both white and black obstetricians in the example that I will use are equally competent.
If you were a black woman about to have a child, who would you prefer?
As it was mentioned in the video, there is bias in how drugs and medications are dispensed or not dispensed based on racial stereotypes and expectations that have no basis from a objective standpoint. The differences between how prospective white mothers are treated compared with black ones. The lady on the video brought this up more than once. Statistics do show that this does occur, be it a subconscious or conscious effort, part of the reality that race still plays a large part in how we operate in this country. Don't make me have to gather the stats.
Giving birth is a horrendous experience, why would you chance someone that is not giving you 100 percent, bringing their biases and streotypes to the task at hand. So, all things being equal, would you not go with the physician that would not apply the bias and providing that extra effort insuring a successful outcome than otherwise?
So it has nothing to do with melanin more than the racial construct that is still an underlying part of American life. Stop making the irrational distinctions, then the issue of distrust go away. Concern about race is the result of actions and not just based on melanin.It is not just with Blacks this discrimination exists. It is with the elderly as well, at least in Florida. Studies show, and I have seen it for myself, there is a built-in prejudice in doctors, as a group, against old people Studies have show that it simply isn't worth the effort to provide the same care to someone on their way out as to someone who has a lot of life left in them.
While I don't believe, for the most part, that this is recognized by the individual doctors, it nevertheless comes out in the type of care they provide.
"An analysis of National Health and Retirement study datafound that 1 in 5 adults over 50 experiences age-related discrimination in heath care settings; 1 in 17 said they experience it frequently. This bias is associated with new or worsening disability, poorer mental and physical health, and use of fewer preventive health services."
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/d … cna1022286
If it is that bad for us white old farts, just imagine how terrible it is for black old farts?Maybe, I can figure out why I keep getting all these ads for undertaker insurance, as if I am going somewhere, imminently.
You make a good point that bias is a universal problem and covers a lot of concerns and you get nervous when it is over something vital like your health care.
I join the club with you that people make "assumptions" about older people without any rational basis for doing so. It is a good reason to work with older physicians?How much of it is due to not being paid properly, I wonder? God knows Medicare, and certainly not medicaid, hardly cover the cost of the visit, let alone any profit.
The Hippocratic oath says it shouldn't matter. If they can't follow that oath, they need to find another profession. How many poor doctors do you know?
Everything is not about money.
Senior citizens with insurance are cash cows for medical groups.
Blacks have extremely good and compelling reasons not to trust Whites - 404 years of one type of oppression or another. For the first 245 years, it was out right slavery! For the next 81 years, it was slavery-lite although over time the oppression lessoned. For 20 years after that, Blacks fought for there freedom until 1964 when the Civil Rights Act was past that restored them to roughly the same status they had after the passage of the 14th and 15th amendments.
Things kept getting better until the 1980s when conservatives began pushing back on the civil rights Blacks gained in 1964. For the next 38 years, conservatives have been successful via a conservative court of beating back provisions of the Civil Rights Act, JUST LIKE the Taney court did in killing the legislation that implemented the 14th and 15th Amendments.
There is no reason in the world Blacks should trust Whites."There is no reason in the world Blacks should trust Whites"
Hopefully in the future, this need not have to be the case, but we are going to have to had evolved as a society far beyond the point where we are presently.Agreed. Each new generation that comes along seems to be a little less racist than the previous one. That will be the only cure because more and more of their kids well not be taught to be racist.
I can even talk myself into thinking that the racial "apathy" mentioned in this article as another form of racism has a potential silver lining. I see racial apathy as one step removed from outright prejudice.
https://theconversation.com/are-todays- … nts-101710But, I get nervous as the young white males are being under constant onslaught by the Right and their "tough guy" groups to foment and then address all their secret resentments regarding race and gender.
Maybe in many of their circles the very concept of democracy itself made be out of style?
"There is no reason in the world Blacks should trust Whites" ECO
This kind of rhetoric defeats our goal. There are many reasons Blacks and whites have come to trust one another. More than ever before. We are evolving, and we have made progress, take it from an "old lady"...
However, the current race biting has worked to stir up emotions in both white and black people. The baiting could lead to us losing so much ground. It is obvious that politicians, on both sides, are using the race card, and causing a wide division between races.
It must be "we the people" that recognize this and say stop, we won't allow this...."It must be "we the people" that recognize this and say stop, we won't allow this...."
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The problem is that we have all heard this before.
It is not the politicians but the reality on the ground. What do conservatives propose, shoot the messenger, burn books with critical and dissenting voices?
While we have made some progress, there needs to be much more.
So What was it that you see within your own community? Presenting obvious racial disperities and Continuing injustice is not "baiting".
Being silent about this issue is not going to help and with current Republican zeal to define critical voices as "Woke" they are only exacerbating the problem. When the attitudes and behavior really change, only then will the shouting be brought down to a whisper.
It not about emotions but actions some of which was provided in examples here on this thread. My point is they may not be as isolated as many of my adversaries would have me believe.You may have missed my deepest thought --- It is obvious that politicians, on both sides, are using the race card, and causing a wide division between races.
They have stirred up both sides and where will this lead? Do you feel one pushing against the other will ever solve anything, or will it just turn into repeating history?
I certainly think your points are all valid. But, do you really think with both sides pitting blacks against whites will solve our problem? We were well on our way to solving the problems of systemic racism all on our own, as citizens.You may have missed my deepest thought --- It is obvious that politicians, on both sides, are using the race card, and causing a wide division between races.
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Well, Sharlee, that division has always been there, and it may well take much more effort to have it dissapear. We already know what the cause is and it is going to rear its head, politics notwithstanding. Relative quiet and calm during any previous period does not mean that our greivaces are not there.
We have always been stirred up. We don't need politicians to "stir things up" all you have to do is read the news, daily. When whites double down even more fervently regarding correcting disparities between us that are not justified, then we may be able to successfully confer.
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"We were well on our way to solving the problems of systemic racism all on our own, as citizens"
Are we? Most conservatives deny that systemic racism even exists and they burn all of the books that even discuss the subject. How do you work on something or begin to solve a problem that you won't even acknowledge exists?"We have always been stirred up. We don't need politicians to "stir things up" all you have to do is read the news, daily. When whites double down even more fervently regarding correcting disparities between us that are not justified, then we may be able to successfully confer."
I know this in my mind, but I must look at the progress as being good, and positive. It is something to hold to and work from.
It is clear, that yes, we have some that deny that systemic racism
exists, and are not willing to accept the challenges.
Is progress, not something to build on, to share, to glean pride from?
It is obvious more needs doing but never turn away from the progress that many blacks have worked hard to bring about. This is progress that should not be lost.
Oklahoma sheriff, 2 staffers recorded discussing lynching Black people are suspended from sheriffs' association
The Oklahoma Sheriffs’ Association suspended the McCurtain County sheriff and two other staffers Tuesday after they were secretly recorded talking about killing reporters and lynching Black residents after a public meeting.
the conversation began with a grisly conversation about a fire victim being compared to “barbecue” before the group turned to talking about his son and hiring hitmen from the Louisiana mafia to take him out.
Perhaps the most explosive part of the recording came when the talk turned to who might run against Clardy in the coming election and Jennings recalled how a former sheriff “would take a damned Black guy and whoop their ass and throw them in the cell,” the newspaper reported.
“Yeah,” Clardy replied, according to the newspaper. “It’s not like that no more.”
“I know,” Jennings said. “Take them down to Mud Creek and hang them up with a damned rope. But you can’t do that anymore. They’ve got more rights than we’ve got.”
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/au … -rcna80299Oh My God this is disturbing and heartbreaking to think our society has come to this kind of hate. I feel we are going backward.
I would argue that our society hasn't "come to". I would argue it has always been this way (hence, all the lynchings of times not so long ago.) They were lynching blacks in what was to become America in 1619 and they were lynching blacks in 1981..
This was sickening stuff. Shows how far we still have to go here neutralizing people like this. Republican party on full display.
I would say MAGA on full display. I doubt people like Liz Cheney and fellow REAL Republicans ascribe to these views.
Mark Jennings: Republican
https://mccurtain.okcounties.org/office … district-2
Kevin Clarify: Republican
https://voterly.com/politicians/9T30Wcz3hB/kevin-clardy
And neutralize? Yes. People like this shouldn't be in positions of power.
Credence is right, there are still places in America where things could revert back to the 1960s if there wasn't constant vigil against it.
Very demoralizing to listen to...Demoralizing for sure, but very common, especially in Red states and rural parts of Blue ones.
I also agree with this sentiment. I see it in my own community. Rumblings mirror what one might have heard long ago. Just being very honest. It disgusts me, and I reprimand. The point is, I admit racist comments are becoming more evident.
Ken, there is that undercurrent that is never evident in this day and age on the surface.
If you can hear this sort of stuff verbalized by law enforcement, what do you think of the attitudes of many who don't openly express such opinions? It is a secret society larger than many would like to think. It does get rather tiring to have to put a spotlight on things and be ever vigilant all of the time.
To say that a Black's distrust of a White doctor is racist is a clear sign that the speaker has no clue what racism is. I found this article that helps explain why this a dangerous mindset. The lead in is
"Seeing racism as a relic of the past is a problem — a deadly problem. And it is a part of why we protest."
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/06/09/ … ut-racism/And they should get every dime (minus the lawyers cut) of that $500 suit they filed. (It is actually a $500 million suit, but the author cut corners, lol.)
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/19/us/tyre- … index.html
With enough of these, maybe cities and police departments will clean up their acts and fire the racist officers.Now Twitter is joining MAGA in going after transgender people.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/19/tech/twi … index.htmlRacism comes in all forms. In this case it was threats to a Florida Sheriff who took on right-wing extremist (Nazis in this case) and was threatened for his effort. Three were arrested.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/22/us/flori … index.htmlIt makes me sick to think this is what must be done to stay alive in White America for these Black citizens.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/opinions/202 … p-orig.cnnSurprising enough, it's doable. You train yourself to anticipate and expect an unreasonable response of fear and psychologically prepare yourself for the worse, because any other response has to be improvement.
It is a shame it must be that way. It speaks very poorly of America. Oopps! Don't want to let King DeSantis read that - he might cancel culture me.
Just as there are procedures to maintain order in any state house, there are appropriate consequences when the rules are broken. Tennessee didn't follow their own procedures/consequences. They escalated the situation beyond all reason.
Was it because the unruly members were black and a woman? Because the gallery was full of screaming citizens? Because they saw it as a pissing contest they had to win?
It might have been for any or all of those reasons. If some good came of it in the final analysis, good however it came about.Perhaps it's because they are tired of "protesters" that simply want to disrupt other people's lives, protesters that have nothing to say except a chant repeated over and over that everyone has already heard.
Please Make Teaching Black History in Florida Legal Again!
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/25/us/afric … index.htmlI listened to this amazing back and forth between a CNN reporter and the MO Sec of State. The discussion was about this new action by the State AG which severely limits gender affirming care for minors AND ADULTS. While the Sec of State disagreed with the part about adults, he was fully on-board with letting minors suffer (which he claims they do not) with gender dysphoria.
As background know that only one single gene (SRY) determines what genitalia a human is born with. But, most importantly, this gene DOES NOT determine gender. Many, many, many other genes determine gender. Science agrees on that.
He repeated something like this phrase more than a dozen times in the space of about a fine minute interview - "surgery cannot change a male into a female, or vice verses,".(you read that on this forum as well) He is, of course, wrong in two important ways.
1. At the most basic level, if you switch out genitalia, you have clearly changed the outward appearance of what sex a person is. It seems to me that is all the anti-trans people care about. Granted, with surgery, the SRY gene probably hasn't changed its activation level. Maybe their objection is SRY gene is still on or off after the surgery and therefore the sex of the human hasn't changed even though all outward signs have? Who knows?
2. At the more complex level, GENDER is NOT determined only by the SRY gene but by the complex interaction of a multitude of other genes. In the case of a trans, that interaction is telling the person their Gender is different from the outward expression of their sex. Science is in agreement on that.
But science is not important to this gov't official. When he was asked if the major medical associations are wrong in their determination that gender affirming treatment is beneficial. - he said they don't know what they are talking about because you can not change the sex through surgery. She then asked if he would substitute the judgement of the legislatures over that of the doctors? He basically said yes, because surgery cannot change the sex of a human.
He was also asked why he doesn't trust parents to do the right thing for their children. Basically, he said because parents aren't competent enough in this area. I guess parents are only competent in educating their kids in white American history.
(Make teaching Black history in Florida legal again.)
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-pol … -rcna79699Will Republicans ever stop their war on minorities? Now they have effectively banned a Trans representative elected to the Montana House because she chastised them for endangering the lives of Trans teens. Sickening.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/politics … index.htmlSomehow I think there is more to it than chastising Republicans. One of the news reports I saw mentioned she instigated a protest during a legislative session.
The sponsor of the measure indicated that she “encouraged the continuation of the disruption of this body, placing legislators, staff and even our pages at the risk of harm.”, which is a long ways from chastising her opponents.
Zephyr, on the other hand, indicates decorum is a "tool of oppression", meaning she doesn't have to follow the rules of the body she was elected to.
Given that, I'd have to side with the rest of the legislators; they don't need their sessions disrupted with protests. Might as well sit home and ignore the states needs.From what I read, there was no protest. She just took them to task for risking the lives of trans individuals. She said they may get "blood on their hands".
Yeah, that's the problem, all right. The TV clip I saw showed her pumping her fist in the air in the middle of mostly empty floor as the rest of them left, just as any protester, and a gang of people on the balcony getting unruly and shouting. And she herself said it was about decorum being a big part of it; that her lack of decorum was just a tool of oppression.
Personally, I don't expect either her OR the rest of them to give the straight scoop; both will twist and spin it as they want. That's why I said "I think there is more to it than chastising Republicans".
We just never seem to get the "rest of the story".Could be. But isn't the main story that Republicans are endangering the lives of trans youth the real story?
No. That's all - the answer is no. The main story is that it is becoming de rigueur to create a disturbance, to disrupt proceedings in an attempt to force a desired response.
We're going to end up having to deny people the opportunity to watch our legislative bodies in action because of disruptions. Maybe watched via closed circuit TV or something stupid like that.
This is the whole story if you really care to know.
As the House was debating Republican Gov. Greg Gianforte's proposed amendments to a measure banning gender-affirming care for minors, Zephyr spoke up in reference to the body's opening prayer.
Video: https://youtu.be/1XjF_ReXEXs
That evening, a group of conservative lawmakers known as the Montana Freedom Caucus demanded her censure and deliberately referred to Zephyr using male pronouns in their letter and a Tweet.
Montana’s House speaker said he won't let Zephyr speak on the chamber floor until she apologizes. She didn't.
Two days after the caucus' letter, Speaker Matt Regier refused to allow Zephyr to speak against a bill Thursday that would put a binary definition of male and female into state code. She was blocked from speaking again Friday during discussion of a bill to prevent minors from seeing pornography online.
Regier said he silenced Zephyr after discussions with other lawmakers. Democrats objected, but the decision was upheld by Republican lawmakers on party-line votes both days.
That is why there were protestors there that day, (they were quiet btw, until they didnt let her speak). As soon as they voted to kept her silenced, they shouted "let her speak". It was a few minutes before they were order to get out. No one was in danger, btw.
Video: https://youtu.be/XZmnVBB2rEEThe second link appears to show where the video bits I saw came from. Apparently she was not "pumping her fist", but merely holding her mike up to aid the protesters in shouting down the legislature.
Which is, IMO, sufficient reason to shut her down. This concept, that "if I don't get my way I will drown out any efforts to speak by anyone and disrupt proceedings until I do", is not something we need to encourage or even accept. But that is my opinion only - you are certainly free to disagree.They shut her down since the first video. That was the issue of the people there.
She already was "shut down" before the "holding her mike up".
For that, she was barred from speaking on the House floor for the remainder of the session. Meaning she is prevented from participating in debates — speaking or voting — from the floor of the Montana House of Representatives or the gallery. It allows her to participate and vote remotely but effectively prevents her from speaking during debates on proposals and amendments for the remainder of the legislative session, which is scheduled to end in early May.Yes, she can vote, remotely. She can also talk to whatever members will grant her the time to talk privately. She is just barred from talking while in session. For about 2 weeks - a pretty light sentence.
All in the name of decorum, respect and politeness. I'm not so sure that is wrong.But when have Republicans ever been those things? But, because they are in the majority there, they won't censure themselves.
More Trans discrimination.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/26/us/nashv … index.htmlFormer US Army soldier with apparent plot to ‘physically remove’ racial minorities pleads guilty to separate gun charge
A former US Army soldier accused of plotting to “physically remove” Black and brown people in several North Carolina counties is now facing up to a decade in prison after pleading guilty to a separate, gun-related charge, federal prosecutors announced.
Noah Edwin Anthony, 23, pleaded guilty to possessing an unregistered short-barrel rifle.
When the illegal firearm was discovered in March 2022, Anthony was stationed at Fort Bragg in North Carolina as an intelligence analyst.
The illegal firearm – a 3D-printed rifle with no serial number – was found during a search of Anthony’s room after Fort Bragg officers found an unregistered “ghost gun” in his car during a random vehicle check.
A more thorough search of his car by Military Police uncovered an American flag emblazoned with a Swastika, “Nazi type patches,” two extended magazines and ammunition, it said.
The search of Anthony’s room also uncovered: White supremacist literature, t-shirts and patches; magazines for various firearms; and several electronic devices.
On his electronic devices, investigators found evidence of “a preliminary self-titled ‘operation’” aimed to “physically remove as many of [black and brown people] from Hoke, Cumberland, Robeson and Scotland Counties by whatever means need be.Is your point that there are dangerous racist idiots among us, among all of our groups; civilian, military, and political?
GA
I posted this here because as it turns out, the leaker of secrets from the Air National Guard is a violent racist.
"But according to court documents filed by prosecutors on Wednesday, Teixeira was suspended from his high school only three years earlier, when a classmate “overheard him make remarks about weapons, including Molotov cocktails, guns at the school, and racial threats.”"
Elsewhere he said he wanted "to kill tons of weak minded people" which his huge cache of semi-automatic rifles and guns.
I have been through the process of getting a Top Secret clearance and it wasn't easy at all. Supposedly, the vetting has gotten much more thorough since my day. Apparently, it is still not thorough enough because this idiot with red flags popping up all over the place made it through.
Back to the drawing board.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/28/politics … index.htmlThe government has certainly failed in its vetting process. However, the document he spread over the internet was the real thing. The man's character has nothing to do about the lies he exposed, does it? What about the information he exposed? I note you have not commented on that issue.
I guess the left media is taking control of the issue, and telling followers --- Hey look here the man is a violent racist. I hope blacks will note the lies he uncovered have nothing to do with race.
Please keep that in mind before you make his crime all about race. He may be a racist. However, the documents he leaked had nothing to do with race.Please keep that in mind before you make his crime all about race. He may be a racist. However, the documents he leaked had nothing to do with race.
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This is true, but it does take him a notch or two further into the abyss in regards to his sordid character with that revelation. A childish bigot trusted with top secret government security information. Who let this guy in the door in the first place?I just find it fascinating that few are concerned about the fact the documents this guy leaked showed that we have been lied to by the government.
It's also shocking with his background he was hired and given a position that enabled him to steal top-secret documents. It's very clear he had l lots of prior problems that should have been a red flag.
Since you tend to avoid CNN you probably missed all the reporting they have done about serious ramifications of what was leaked. I hear it every day going to and from work on my CNN channel.
At the same time, they are also REPORTING what the federal prosecutors presented in court about this guy. I guess they aren't allowed to do that in a conservative world
Why does the fact that he released secrets make you blind to anything else about him?
Also, his gun hoarding and his violent pronouncements and his racist views should have prevented him from getting even a Secret clearance. That is another reason why that is relavant.Just a quick question --- Do you care that the documents he leaked showed the government lied to us? You just don't seem to care at all about that, neither does CNN.
My answer to that question is where did you learn such things? The only reference I could find is Lyin' Tucker Carlson, the World Socialist Web Site, and the far-Right Canadian Western Standard. What they reported was nonsense.
So, what exactly did the gov't lie about? The Socialist is the only one that had a list and it said America lied about the Ukraine war being "unproved" or that "NATO wasn't involved", stupid things like that. Is that what you are referring to?So, you did not read the leaks? LOL Whatever.
Hard to have a conversation when one is not abreast of the documents and what was leaked.Presumptuous, aren't you. i read the leaks and found no lies. SO, once again, please back up your allegations with examples.
Insurrectionist sympathizers and racists must be removed from our military.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/27/us/ethan … index.htmlBlacks and Jews, the assaults just keep coming in America.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/27/us/lehig … index.htmlFortunately, there are good judges to stand in the way of social conservatives war on minorities. I use that term a lot now because that is what it is - a full out assault on the rights of virtually anybody who is not white, male, and Christian.
In this case, the social conservatives attempt to make Trans illegal today has an eerie parallel to what the Nazi's did to Jews in the 1930s. Unfortunately, there wasn't an independent judiciary in place to block this evil.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/27/us/gende … index.htmlI like your gross exaggerations - they give me a good giggle.
Protecting our children from quacks is now a "full out assault on the rights of virtually anybody who is not white, male, and Christian.".
We have discussed this topic before. The latest twist is "Why do the wealthiest Black Women have a HIGHER chance of dying at childbirth than the POOREST White women?" Could it be systemic racism in our hospital system?
(I will except studies that prove there is a biological reason. For example, it is well known that sickle cell anemia occurs much more frequently in Blacks because of genetics.)
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/29/opinions … index.htmlAn interesting personal story that contains the seeds of how to reduce the white-black conflict.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/30/us/john- … index.htmlPart of the social conservative war on modern culture and truth is Banning Books (like they do in Russia and China and the 1930s Germany). Often the Banned Books are about true Black History and lately they are about LGBTQ+. Back in the 1980s and still today, it is about pre-teen and teenage girls coming into puberty.
One way to overcome this form of counter-culture warfare is to turn these books into PG movies. One such movie is Are you there God? It's me, Margaret. This currently banned book (as it was in the 1980s) is by Judy Blume. Not only does it delve into the original sin of female puberty, but it takes on religious conflict.
My wife and I say it last night. I had no idea what it was about and was somewhat shocked that the content made it by prudish censors. It turned out to be a very tastefully done story about a year in the life of 6th grade girl "coming of age" and praying to God for her period to start (among other things). I am a 75 male and I learned things I didn't know about that process.
For example, there was one scene where our heroine and three friends stood in a circle doing an exercise where they thrust their elbows back and push their chest out while shouting some chant about getting their chest to grow. Turns out this is true life (not sure about the chanting part). My wife confirmed it by saying that is what she and her friends did back in the day. She also confirmed other aspects of the story.
This thoroughly enjoyable movie made me realize how traumatic it can be for girls to grow up and it amazes me how cruel it is of social conservatives to hide these truths from their children.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/29/opinions … index.htmlAlong with trying to suppress the votes of minorities and old people like me, the GOP has found a new target - Young People. Makes sense because the younger the voter (or potential voter), the more likely they are to vote Democratic (if you vote at all).
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/02/politics … index.htmlHere is an example of the conservative lying hero Tucker Carlson. This, from a text revealed in the Dominion lawsuit.
"“A couple of weeks ago, I was watching video of people fighting on the street in Washington,” Carlson wrote in the January 2021 text message to a producer, the New York Times reported late Tuesday. “A group of Trump guys surrounded an Antifa kid and started pounding the living s**t out of him. It was three against one, at least. Jumping a guy like that is dishonorable obviously. It’s not how white men fight. Yet suddenly I found myself rooting for the mob against the man, hoping they’d hit him harder, kill him. I really wanted them to hurt the kid. I could taste it.”"
Later he writes that he probably "shouldn't" feel that way, but in the process lets loose with a few more insults.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/03/media/tu … index.htmlGender and sex have an etymology going back in history as we all know. For centuries gender and sex were used synonymously, yet had peculiarities with them. At one time sex meant masculine and gender meant feminine.
Things changed in 1964. "The term gender identity was coined by psychiatry professor Robert J. Stoller in 1964 and popularized by psychologist John Money." Aha! Gender did not change meaning, it was a new term that arose. In other words, it was 'identity' giving a new meaning to gender. Then as words and language changes with both society and science shortcuts come along and gender identity becomes colloquially gender within different social circles.Yes, historically the word "gender" has been used interchangeably with the word "sex" to indicate whether someone is male or female on. The word Gender in the past was used in various forms and documents to indicate male or female.
However, now it is obvious, the word "gender" has taken on a broader meaning by some. The word has been adopted to have a new meaning and now is often used to refer to a person's social, cultural, and psychological identity. Many people still believe the indicates word gender indicates biological sex. The sex that they were assigned at birth. It would seem odd, in my view for the word to be hijacked, and resigned a meaning. A meaning that is not typically what we have known the word to indicate.It would be more equitable if the hijacking of the word 'gender' was a non-issue. Let it be 'hijacked,' it works to convey the identity message that it is being claimed to mean—now.
However, the word and meaning of 'sex' isn't going anywhere. It is biological and it is real. It doesn't change simply because societal norms do. A male and female still mean a biological man and woman when sex is the determination.
Let 'them' (as in folks that believe sex means more than just what biology says) have gender, it's a small adjustment for 'us' (believers in nature's rules, of course), and it gets everyone talking about the same thing. ;-)
GA
Actually, I think it was Professor John Money in 1955. In the 1960s, he founded the Gender Identity Clinic at John Hopkins University where he formulated, defined, and coined the term “gender role” and later expanded it to gender-identity/role. He clearly was not thinking of "gender" in terms of only male vs female.
Instead, he started us down the road to understanding that it isn't a penis or vagina that determines whether somebody is male or female in their own minds.
Nevertheless, and I think this is primarily because of monotheistic constructs and bias, people are discriminated against, sometimes violently, because they are biologically and socially different than what OTHER people say they are."Instead, he started us down the road to understanding that it isn't a penis or vagina that determines whether somebody is male or female in their own minds."
Damn, that is a good summation. One that I can easily endorse. To be clear, the endorsement that it can be whatever someone wants in their own mind isn't intended as a criticism. It is what this conservative has said all along: you can think and act like whatever you believe you are, but you can't demand that others believe it too.
GAYou keep missing the reality of the situation. It is, for the most part, the interplay of biological HORMONES with other biological genetic-based proteins and the environment that drives what the mind perceives as gender.
You act like it is a choice when it isn't even close to being choice.
Think of something that scares the bejesus out of you for no apparent reason. For many people, that is spiders. That fear is not a choice. Neither is gender identity.The authenticity of the belief isn't a factor. That it is a belief and not a fact is. That is the reality that I am not missing.
GAAll the evidence says that how people "feel" about their gender is a combination of biology and environment. That gender is not a choice is the fact your are looking for. I just don't understand why so many social conservatives insist it is - like they did (or still do) about homosexuality. They were very wrong about that and they are very wrong about this which leads to much harm to those they discriminate against.
What?
Of course they can demand that others believe it too!
Have you not been paying attention?
Through EOs and Law they will make you believe and accept it... or else.Well, about that 'or else' thing . . . maybe I should get the bunker ready.
GA
You to! What are the titles of some of your novels? While I am not into reading novels, my wife is.
Get people to gradually accept an outrage that would have been anathema not long before. This is the kind of answer to a problem we get from a so called responsible member of congress...
That is Trumpism in action...
https://www.yahoo.com/news/alabama-sena … 55437.htmlWhy is white supremacy becoming normalized in America? Because they keep electing either sympathizers or active ones like Tommy Tuberville and Ron DeSantis.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/11/politics … index.htmlYou don't have to be white to be a racist in America.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/11/politics … index.htmlThis guy is worse than a racist, he is contrarian right up there with holocaust deniers.
He is the "big house negro" that gives cover to the political Right using who appears to be one of our own to lend support to the Rightwing agenda in so many areas.
So, we lost rights during the Civil Rights Era? What "Dick and Jane" primer did he read?Isn't he what other Blacks, back in the day, refer to as Uncle Tom?
Now I have to ask. But first some background. My company is bidding for a contract with the Bay Area Rapid District (BART) to do their drug and alcohol collection work. Well being San Francisco and all that, they have WBE and MBE requirements they would like met, if possible. So they gave us questions to answer about us trying to use "certified" WBE and MBE companies. In the course of that, I was going to tell them one of our principle collectors is Black, and that three of the clinics we want to use are Asian/Female.
That led to one of my employees suggesting the using black is not acceptable anymore, assuming it ever was. He looked it up and determined that African-American is the preferred reference. The Black collector sort of backs that up (and this may be a Bay Area thing) when he told us he was African-American. (As it turns out, when BART explained things better then their lawyers did, they didn't want that information in the first place.)
So that is my question, what do Blacks prefer to be called?"On large plantations, the person who directed the daily work of the slaves was the overseer, usually a white man but occasionally an enslaved black man—a "driver"—promoted to the position by his master."
That description a "driver" was a couple of magnitudes lower, one that did more than accomodate, but pursued the "masters" business as if it were his own. The part Samuel L. jackson played in the jhango film some 10 years ago was a good example.
African-American, Black, people of color or even "colored", I would not give a second thought about it being offensive. If all of that has changed, I am not aware of it.Thanks. People of color was the other "politically correct" term my guy found as well. That said, what you just related was what my impression was.
You are absolutely correct.
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=628103865347989
Here is what DeSantis' anti-woke campaign looks like.
"CNN asked Schoening if she was saying she believed there was some kind of high-level coordinated effort to make more children trans and gay. “There is,” she said. Who would be directing it? “Teachers’ unions, and our president, and a lot of funding sources,” she said. Why would they do that? “Because it breaks down the family unit,” she said. And why would they want that? “So that conservative values are broken down, and that we can slowly erode away at constitutional rights,” she said."
News Flash - you Can't MAKE a kid trans or gay. She is one sick puppy!
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/20/us/color … index.htmlAnother example of Conservative's war on anybody that is not like them.
Girl denied attending graduation because she wanted to dress as the gender her body tells her she is.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/20/us/missi … index.htmlWhy all the fuss about what he or she wears? It is proper dress attire. Why should that affect her ability to graduate from high school in the ceremony?
Because she is an abomination in many conservative eyes (this is Mississippi, after all) and potentially could MAKE other kids become trans or gays.
If she wore a "blue sparkly dress" to the prom without objection then the school is far out of line.
If anyone wore Jeans and a t-shirt would be the same out of the dress code standard.
Presumably jeans and a t-shirt (prom) would be out of the code. For graduation, under a gown, not so sure.
But it doesn't matter; unless the dress code changed between prom and graduation (possible but unlikely) then what was OK for the prom is OK for graduation.Jeans and a t-shirt are much worse than a pretty blue dress.
I didn't know this was a thing, but groups are issuing travel advisories to its members to stay out of Florida and other states that may be a health and freedom hazard.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/24/us/flori … index.html
Another homophobic conservative steps up his war on minorities by banning people in drag from reading to children.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/24/politics … index.htmlI have not forgotten using a public restroom on pier 39 in Frisco. A young boy entered, followed by a man in drag. Scared the boy badly and he almost ran out, but a smile and a wink calmed him. Nevertheless he stuck very close to me until we both left and he spotted his dad in the crowd.
And that's what you wish to subject the children to. I disagree.So well said. Let's face it children have so many more stressors than they have ever had.
As I commented to Wilderness, the person could have been wearing a clown costume and gotten the same reaction from the boy.
A man in drag reading to children is inappropriate. Children SHOULDN'T be exposed to this. Yes, I am a Liberal & that crosses the line. Children shouldn't be exposed to this in an educational setting. Senior high school & college students okay but NOT YOUNG children.
I know people who would do that for people dressed as clowns, including one of my grandsons. Your point?
You CLEARLY don't get it, DO YOU(sighing & rolling eyes).
I wonder if Conservatives will ever stop hating people that don't look or act like them.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/27/business … index.htmlThey DON'T hate. They just see the INAPPROPRIATENESS of certain things. Good God, man(exasperation here)!!!!
Studies show that the first words by a cop to a black motorist will determined whether the stop turns into a major confrontation or not. If the first 45 words or so are commands, as opposed to reasons and questions, the situation will likely get out of control and violent.
The findings show that when a situation escalates, it is generally the cop who is doing the escalating.This disgusting racist PoS is "a man of God". It makes my stomach turn.
Btw, a rightwinger "pastor". What a surprise!
"'A hundred-fifty years ago, or 200 years ago when the Blacks were slaves: Did they ever go to Washington, D.C., and have a rally 200 years ago to protest against slavery? Did they? No. What did they do? Well, a lot of good people on the plantations would say 'Hey, it's winter time. Let us help build a church for you, dear folks', And they loved them and taught them how to read so they can read the Bible. And here’s what the Blacks did about 150 years ago, They humbled themselves. They prayed. They sought God's face and they turned from their wicked ways and God made slavery illegal through several white presidents, right?. It worked, didn’t it? They didn’t protest.'"
Watch the video:
https://twitter.com/davidhth/status/167 … 15014?s=20Shocking sentiment from this man.
"Btw, a rightwinger "pastor". What a surprise!"
Both sentiments turn my stomach --- both in my view, radiate discrimination and hate. Hate can be reconized no matter what it is wrapped up in.Are you thinking a Leftwinger pastor would say the same thing? I don't think so.
Isn't that sort of like Trump saying their were "good" people on both sides of the Nazi march in Charlottesville?
So what is really the "motion lotion" driving the MAGA craze?
Amanda offers an interesting hypothesis.
https://www.salon.com/2023/07/05/memo-t … a-primary/Being a true supporter of Make America Great Again, I can tell you this article (my view) is a bunch of crap. It is so biased and insulting and makes little sense. It has become very clear, not only with the numbers that voted for Trump in 2020, but the recent polls with Trump taking the lead over Biden in the race --- Americans well may have come around to see right through what the Democratic party is making every attempt to dish up --- and many may just not be at the rancid trough any longer.
Making America Great Again means just what the context shares. Fixing America, before we it collapses. Saving our Democracy, and pure freedoms as we have come to appreciate. Saving our values, not tearing them down. Saving the very American dream for those that want to go for it.
Trump is such a threat, someone that promotes true change in government. He offered transparency, he worked on problems that plague our nation, he strived to make a fair trade, to make us energy-dependent, to fix our border, and so much more. I noted every action with a clear view, the proof was in the results.
Source for my thoughts in regard to Ameican's current thoughts on the current race to the presidency ---- News Week Is Joe Biden's Approval Rating Getting Even Worse? Here's What Polls Show
https://www.newsweek.com/joe-bidens-app … ow-1810691
Biden's approval ratings plummet to new lows, Trump leads Republican polls, DeSantis lags behind
https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-ne … 66058.html
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/bi … al-rating/
https://www.racetothewh.com/biden
This trend clearly says something to me.This is just my opinion, Sharlee.
Am I am sure that you have plenty of your own.
But we all do still retain the right to freedom of speech
I fail to understand his appeal to so many while I consider him anathema, with the stench of criminality on virtually everything that he touches. You say that the attacks are partisan, really, all of them? You want your rightwing America, you can have it from any number of Republican candidates that at least for the moment are not up to their necks in criminal controversy.I did not bring Trump's character or his legal problems into my comment. I brought in his, (what I feel was his job performance). I think it would be easy to agree he has problems with how he may present himself, and that yes, he has many legal problems. I was discussing the concept he offered "Make America Great Again".
This is something I believe in because I like America, and what it offers, and respect a government that promotes democracy. I am so proud to say I don't see a right or left America --- I see an America that generally has worked to offer all a good solid place to live, and thrive, if one has a mind to.
Yes, I prefer conservative values, because they have offered me all that I find good about America.
Let me remind you Biden as well as his entire family are up to their necks with alligations of criminal activity. You can choose to ignore this fact, but nonetheless, it is evident, with a ton of evidence backing up many of the allegations.
I will vote for the Republican candidate this time around, I feel it critical that the Democrats are pushed out of Washington at this point in our history.
He lied to the American people about Covid and hundreds of thousands died as a result.
Trump is to blame for the deaths caused by the New York governor, that chose to put the lock the sick COVID patients in with the healthy in nursing homes in his state?
Don't know about that, but I do know what the experts that worked for him said. To quote one of them - "I look at it this way: The first time, we have an excuse. There were about 100,000 deaths that came from that original surge," Birx said. "All of the rest of them, in my mind, could have been mitigated or decreased substantially."
Then there is this - Trump’s Policies Resulted In The Unnecessary Deaths Of Hundreds Of Thousands Of Americans: Lancet Report - https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/ … f7def177e8
Then there is this US could have averted 40% of Covid deaths, says panel examining Trump's policies - https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 … lth-policy
Now let's see if you can respond by providing evidence that is not true.And how does that change the fact that Trump is responsible for hundreds of thousands of deaths all over the United States?
Thanks for sharing your view. However, in short, I respect not wasting much energy on the subject. As I won't on your response.
I do like to know that my comments are being read.They inform us of the latest batch of mis- and dis-information the right-wing media is brainwashing susceptible MAGA with.
Hopefully, we are all supporters of Make America Great Again given the hole Trump put us in during is four years of autocratic rule. I feel President Biden has done a great job of repairing much of Trump's damage. Although there is still a lot to do because the hole was so deep.
He is doing his damnedest to keep democracy alive in America while Trump and his MAGA army try almost as hard to destroy it.
Trump promoted change alright. He just about turned a vibrant democracy into an autocracy. He has single-handedly destroyed the belief of his brainwashed followers that our elections are fair.
He and his acolytes like my own fascist governor Ron DeSantis have worked very hard to rig the voting system.
It is truly a shame that so many people have fallen victim to Trump's con. But, many of them simply don't care. I am talking about the millions who revel in Trump's misconduct and want to see more of it. I am very afraid that these people will react violently once the mountains of evidence is brought out at trial and he goes where all major criminals belong - Jail.Not sure you have recognized, I don't respond to your post anymore. I find them too toxic. Just my view. But we all have the right to our personal views. Another problem is you are banned frequently, I don't want to be caught up in bait.
I suspect my banning results from just one vindictive person (and it isn't you).
I have always told you when I reported you, and the reasons that I felt it was necessary, due to personal insults. I have not reported you in a very long time. As I said I am not interested in your view, and I am not going to have any political discussion with you.
That is why I didn't say it way you, I highly suspect someone else who dishes it but can't take the truth back. The feeling is mutual.
BTW, I offer truth and facts - those are not toxic except to those who believe in Trump. It is disinformation and misinformation from the Right that are what is toxic.
Since July 2022, Biden's trend has been Up.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epoll … -7320.htmlA hypothesis, ESO,what do you think?
In 2020, 85% of voters who cast a ballot for Trump were White non-Hispanic;
"Why is a reality-TV star billionaire the 2016 U.S. presidential nominee of the Republican Party? What explains why so many Americans support Donald Trump and the anti-immigrant policies that he espouses? Some political scientists claim that Trump’s support stems from economic discontent, particularly among working-class White Americans. Still others claim that support for Trump and his policies stems from anger against the existing political establishment and rejection of traditional politics (De Jonge, 2016). Yet another possible explanation, and the one that we examine here, is that the changing racial demographics of the United States are at the core of support for Trump and his policies among White Americans. The U.S. Census Bureau (2012) projects that the national population of non-White racial groups will exceed that of Whites before the middle of this century. Many White Americans in the US view race relations as “zero-sum,” in which status gains for minorities means status loss for Whites (Wilkins & Kaiser, 2014) and less bias against minorities means more bias against Whites (Norton & Sommers, 2011). The belief that Whites are losing out to ethnic minorities is particularly prevalent among Trump supporters (De Jonge, 2016)."
This was an excerpt from the following article:
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.117 … 0216677304
Seems to me that the first two explanations for Trumps support, if they were valid, would find an appeal over a far more broad spectrum of the electorate, particularely in 2016.
The third explanation is the only one that would make sense is based on racism and race based fear and resentment, why else is there such an overwhelming white support for Trump? It is unfortunate that racism is such a powerful force in American life that people would grasp at straws in its defense. Thus, it being more powerful and comparable to gravity as a foundation as to how the universe works. But the Trumpers would have you believe that a conspiracy theory can explain why the Apple falls from the tree.I think the first explanation, along with the Russians, is what put him over the top. By the next election, he had driven most of those white Americans away from him.
It would seem the third reason (which I have read elsewhere as well and is called "White Backlash") is what is driving his support today. He speaks for the worst in society and they flock to him."Some political scientists claim that Trump’s support stems from economic discontent, particularly among working-class White Americans."
My problem with your explanation as you believed that the first explanation has weight, why is the economic discontent limited to working class white Americans? What is different about working class black Americans where they would not have the same economic discontent and consequently not embrace Trump as a solution?
Trump voters were 88 percent white in 2016, while only 84 percent in 2020. I think that the "backlash" explains the Trump phenomenon far more throughly than anything else.I think the economic discontent applies to the 2016 election for two reasons - Trump targeted that group for those reasons and the Democrats ignored them.
The difference is the dynamics are quite different, in my opinion. Mainly - Trump is white and a so-called conservative and the modern Republican Party historically reject Blacks. The white working class are white, tend toward conservativism, and are not particularly sympathetic to Blacks.
It doesn't apply to 2020 or 2022Yeah, so whatever our gripes are, because of Trump and the historical animosity and distrust blacks have had for the Republican party, Trump could not possibly be considered as a viable solution for whatever economic distress we were experiencing at the time.
WOW!!! This conservative senator puts his allegiance to White Supremacy above our nation defense. DESPICABLE!
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/11/politics … index.htmlI saw this little Tommy Tubbyville, a card carrying member of the KKK in Brook brothers suits and Gucci shoes.
I have little patience with Black Republicans who are apologists, accomodationists or plain out "Uncle Thomases", who can allow themselves to be a party to a Republican party that accommodates and encourage outright racists as part of its "big tent".
Republicans will say that HE does not represent them, yet you accept and herald his presence giving him power to drag our military into the mud by withholding General Officer placements and promotions because of Tubby's archaic ideas and beliefs.
I condemn the Republican Party for warmingly embracing a clear racist as part of its family and continue to ask them, why, under these circumstances, would you think that me and mine could possibly vote for you or any of your candidates?
That's Trump's America for you, bringing the most extreme and heinous bigotry, once on the periphery, right into the mainstream of the Republican Party.I also do not understand the current appeal of the MAGA party to Blacks or women (or Latinos, for that matter). It is like being in bed with the big bad wolf on one side and a Great White Shark on the other.
Before MAGA, I could understand them holding their noses because of fiscal conservativism, but these people buy into the social conservativism as well.The few black women that I have spoken to about this and supported Trump were generally single issue people, as 95 percent of black women support the Democrats. There are a few for whom "abortion" is the "hot button" that does not allow consideration for anything else.
I have a younger brother who saw Trump as a challenge to goad our own people to be more activist and self sufficient in the face of this tsunami and every other woe that the white man can throw at him. What does not kills you, makes you stronger. There is some of that macho streak through select parts of the community of black men. I believe that that attitude drives Clerance Thomas to a certain extent, as his radical past can never really be entirely expunged over time."is the "hot button" that does not allow consideration for anything else." - I guess that may explain a lot. The inability to not see the whole picture is a dangerous thing.
White Power!
https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status … 0173283400
https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status … 35308?s=20
“White power” chants from members of the ‘Blood Tribe’ and ‘Goyim Defense League’, out holding flags with swastikas, doing ‘sieg heil’ salutes in Altamonte Springs, Florida.
SMHGiven the governor we have, he has given permission for that type of sick activity to happen in Florida.
The Blues Brothers had a response for this. (It's a movie clip - skip to 1:12 for the chuckle)
Nazis protesting on a bridge.
GANazi's in Blackface on Bridge.
https://twitter.com/BGOnTheScene/status … 97619?s=20
This was a surprising and affirming story to read about a small place in MAGA country that thinks Drag is OK and that being queer isn't the mark of Satan.
There is one line in it that at a drag fundraiser for a local theater to fix its roof, there were were a handful of protesters outside holding signs and hypocritically praying. One of the performers commented that the Lord gave birth to gays to.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2023/09 … cnnphotos/I just donated another $100 to this lady's fight to save her home and take down greedy corporate America.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/09/0 … td-vpx.cnnA novel approach to diminish Black heritage - zone them out of existence.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/13/us/sapel … index.htmlMore from DeSantimonious
https://news.yahoo.com/neo-nazis-gloat- … 00174.htmlDeSantis must be so proud of his avid followers. He fits right in with them (minus the tattoos).
Did you see the tattoos on that fellow, how can anyone who looks so ridiculous possibly be taken seriously?
So Agree! I mean look at this piece of work... Is it really fair to point someone out who chooses to express themself, in yes, In my view, an odd unattractive way with tattoos? I mean it's a mindset that leads to discrimination, is it not?
Yes, Sharlee these guys are gross, but I know from where and when they are coming.
It's the guys in the Brook Brothers suits at the highest levels of government that fundamentally believe the same things that has me concerned. These are the ones that I have to watch out for.
It is the Kens and Karens that while not wearing clownish attire, their mindsets and attitudes are not much better that the ones who do.Worse, actually, because they are in positions where real, wide-spread, long-lasting harm can come from. Jason Miller is a great example or Steve Bannon or Peter Navarro, or the Trump sons, or Michael Flynn, or Lauren Boebert, or MTG, or Matt Gaetz or...
They, and many more, are the ones that almost let Trump become the dictator he is has always dreamt of being.Labeling individuals as "Kens and Karens" based on their perceived mindsets and attitudes can be problematic for me. Using terms to categorize people implies that you are making sweeping generalizations about them based on certain behaviors or attitudes.
Could labeling people, be in some ways confirmation bias? This can work to hinder open-mindedness and meaningful conversation. In my view, this is where we have been led today, by the media as well as our own government.
Creating derogatory labels can perpetuate a negative stigma around certain behaviors or attitudes. This leads to discrimination, making it harder for individuals to change and grow past discrimination. The labels run rampant today, do they not? And we have done so well in our nation's growth to stamp out labels. So, are we going back to a time when we as citizens just felt comfortable with labeling others?
I wonder if Instead of resorting to labels, it's more productive to engage in dialogue and seek to understand the underlying reasons for people's actions and attitudes. Could that potentially address root causes and promote positive change?
Labeling people seems to be working to further polarize our society. Just deepening the divide and making it difficult to find any common ground to work together toward solutions to shared problems. Understanding that we have differences, and sharing them, instead of just putting up a label barrier is more likely to lead to positive change and a more inclusive society.
So lastly, do we let the fellows in the Brooks Brother suits at the highest levels continue to lead us around? Do you want change or just want to pay for Brooks Brothers suits?
We are busy calling names, (like immature children) concentrating on all they hoped we would, while the country is being torn apart.
My God time to really look around. "They" have us right smack where they want us --- I should say some, and they have done a superb job at it.I guess without offending anyone, my point is this. During my present lifetime, the appearance of KKK and Nazi protesters is not common. But I still have to deal with the DeSantises accused by the NAACP of creating a hostile environment for Black residents here for example. Should I not listen?
Racism is subtle and surreptitious in America and does not always wear a hood or swastica
The point is that conservatives have proven to be the most resistant to the kinds of changes in society that are substantive and not merely symbolic. When we actually do become a more inclusive society in action and deed rather than mere rhetoric, you will have my attention.
A Karen is someone who intimidates minorities solely for their very existence, it is a distinct attitude and personality aberration. Anyone can avoid being a "Karen" so I do not apply a broad brush here.It may be "subtle and surreptitious" today, but not long ago, say 1970, it was "in your face"
I didn't think she would know what a "Karen" is. I had to look it up myself but did understand it to be shorthand for a certain type of person. Wouldn't conversations be interesting if they contained no labels whatsoever. She couldn't call you Liberal, and you couldn't call her Conservative. To get a point across, each where you get to a point in a conversation where you would normally use such a label, you would have to replace it hundreds of words describing what you mean about the other. It would bring conversation to a halt.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-53588201
What shouldn't be happening is using terms like DeSanctimoneous.
Because of the permission that Trump gave, I would argue that the KKK and Nazis and other white supremacists coming out of the closed in larger and larger numbers.You do understand that 1970 was over half a century ago? Before the internet, before cell phones, etc. etc.? The changes since that ancient time have been technological, cultural and even religious. They have changed our society and our cultural beyond what could have been imagined then.
There are some things that seem to remain a fixture in America society and culture be it 1970 or 1920.
So, according to you we have arrived at parity on the racial front in America?And they are fixtures in 2023 as well? Because that is what you continue to insinuate; that the wrongs of 1920 are still present and ubiquitous today.
Yes, from the surface it has improved, but I have to wonder if root attitudes that were explicitly expressed 100 years ago are still there, but have been subject to a little window dressing since?
I don't think you need to wonder. It is evident that an embarrassingly large portion of Americans still hold the same racists attitudes of their forefathers. Why? Because nobody tried to teach them as kids that what their parents think is actually vile.
It is not lost on me that those same people are Trump voters because he gives them permission to be that way.
In 1970, I was just heading to Vietnam, so no, it is not that long ago. Our attitudes about race have not changed much in 250 years. There are hopefully fewer of those that hold that disgraceful attitude than before.
It was in your lifetime, so it was not long ago.
Tell that to your grandchild going entering school or even college.
Your attitude may not have changed much, but I guarantee the attitude of American society has. That (attitudes about race have not changed much in 250 years) is probably the most false and silly thing you've put on these forums and there have been some doozys.We have made progress but it feels like we are backsliding. It's most shocking to read about the increase of racially motivated acts by children/ young adults.
A high school football season was canceled due to the principal finding out some team members had a group chat named "kill the blacks"
At a school in California, administrators found a video with students featured in a mock slave auction. In Georgia, students showed up to a school game wearing t-shirts that spelled out a racial slur. Nooses found at various middle schools around the country And just yesterday two teens are being investigated for hurling racial slurs targeted at kindergarteners and first graders at a school football game. I could go on but you get the picture. This is a troubling trend. I have to ask where are young folks are getting this?
Just as an aside, as conservatives attack schools with fear-based initiatives to limit gender discussion we are also seeing lgbtq students being bullied more often.
"As conservative politicians and activists push for limits on discussions of race, gender and sexuality, some students say the measures targeting aspects of their identity have made them less welcome in American schools — the one place all kids are supposed to feel safe. The first encounter with racism that student Harmony Kennedy can remember came in elementary school. On a playground, a girl picked up a leaf and said she wanted to "clean the dirt" from Harmony's skin.
In sixth grade, a boy dropped trash on the floor and told her to pick it up, "because you're a slave." She was stunned — no one had ever said anything like that to her before"
We need to tone down the rhetoric and innuendo in this country, children are listening.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/education/ … -less-safeAlthough it is being picked up as racism and lgbtq hate, I see it more as a division of the people in general. It is more and more acceptable to degrade and denounce anyone that is even slightly different than we are, and the divisions are growing.
The answer here, IMO, is not to attack racism per se but to attack the lack of tolerance that is being exhibited.I agree with that in general, but that division becomes racism when directed at minorities because of what makes them a minority, generally skin color and lifestyles.
And IMO, one must attack racism when it raises its ugly head.As I tried to get across, when you attack racism of that sort all you're accomplishing is to switch the hate to another group. That's not an improvement.
If, on the other hand, you attack the lack of tolerance in general, teaching kids that it's OK to be different, we just might get a real solution. Teach the kids that black or white, gay or straight, Downs syndrome or not, fat or thin, handicapped or not, Democrat or Republican, we are all people and no person is perfect in all ways.
Or so it seems to me.If, on the other hand, you attack the lack of tolerance in general, teaching kids that it's OK to be different, we just might get a real solution.
Bingo. That's why diversity and inclusion programs or initiatives should be welcomed in education.
If we want to address discrimination based on race or lgbtq issues we need to make sure that we can deal with little Johnny when he comes into the classroom vocalizing his homegrown prejudicial ideas. I think we need to see public education embracing diversity and inclusion more than is currently happening especially with studies showing us that black children are experiencing increased racist experiences.The Left embraces that concept already. We are just waiting for the Right to stop fighting or, in Florida's case, reversing it. In Florida now, a teacher cannot address such things that Wilderness suggests without the risk of getting fired. It is a sad situation.
And we see pseudo institutions like Prager University infusing public school curriculums with outright lies. Telling lies and misinforming is not going to warm any of us up to a common solution.
We even have a state funding college in Florida doing the same thing because DeSantis took over the board and kicked most, if not all of the liberal thinkers out and put in his handpicked religeous conservatives.
Not sure there are any liberal "thinkers". Just "spenders" and "controllers".
Again, you speak of Trump - he spends like crazy and wants to control the world, just ask him - he alone can do it, lol.
I agree, but with the caveat that repeating over and over that people are different can also go too far, ending up reinforcing that difference instead of erasing it. Rather, we should teach our children that people are all the same, whether they look the same or not, whether they share common attitudes or not, etc. The key is that we are the same, just people, rather than pointing out the differences.
A "so what?" attitude towards differences, then, rather than "Johhny is a different color and that means you have to be careful not to offend him, careful to always include him, careful not to hurt his feelings". Instead, when a child comes up with that racist comment the reply might be something along the line of "So what? He's a person just like you - would you like to be treated that way?"
If that makes any sense. I just feel that true equality of treatment, rather than emphasizing a difference, is more effective in the long run than "Well, (s)he is black (or white or red or yellow or male or female or disabled or anything but the same) and must be treated differently as a result".
This country goes a long way toward destroying that equality, reinforcing differences rather than ignoring them. It must end if we really want to end discrimination, of ALL types." "Johhny is a different color and that means you have to be careful not to offend him, careful to always include him, careful not to hurt his feelings"" - WHY is it necessary to say such things? Could it be that Joe is calling Johnny names he picked up from his racist father. Could be because Johnny is being bullied all the time by White kids mimicking their racists parents?
Those things MUST be said because so many Americans do not ignore differences but instead punish people for their differences. Once they stop doing that, then is won't be necessary to educate kids not to be racist like their folks.
"Its a small world, after all....".
Just that simple?
From Disney studios..
It is more than about divisions, it is about one segment of society determined to exercise power and control over another. It has always been that way
I agree with the backsliding, you see it in the news every day more and more frequently.
A Black high school student is still suspended over his haircut even though Texas passed a law banning suspensions for just that.
https://apnews.com/article/hairstyles-d … 06b39e5243
Interjecting, along that line of thought Christianity today is both warning of the dangers of AI and advocating it for spreading the Gospel. If curious one such article is:
AI and Christianity: Navigating the Intersection of Technology and Faith in Ministry Work. Not sure of the source. I think it is a Pastor.
https://www.delmethod.com/blog/ai-and-christianity
It somewhat gives an overall view of AI and its usage in evangelizing and understanding the Bible. Kind of a lengthy read, yet the subheadings give a quick grasp of its subject matter.
Labels are descriptive and are the very basis of debate. We easily define liberals verses conservatives. Great point….
My parents could have easily related to the “in your face” days. But as Dr. King said in 1965, the glaring eye of television made the obscenity that was America broadcast for the world to see. The cell phone camera will also bring more focus on what was once lied about or otherwise well hidden.
I may have to give Wilderness credit in mentioning burgeoning technology as responsible for some of the changes over time in this matter.
I appreciate your response. It's evident that the points you've raised are valid concerns that continue to persist in our society as matters of common sense.
As always I appreciate the care you take when sharing your views.
Yes, I did. While he has every right to wear them, it does say a lot about his state of mind. I bet many of those tats are related to gangs, Nazi's, and other white supremacy oriented symbols.
Evangelicals on the attack AGAIN. This time they abused and murdered an Asian woman in a disgusting act of anti-Christ hate.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/15/us/soldi … index.html
God WILL get them for that.MAGA has found another way to put America back to the 1950s. Until now, certain minority groups were presumed to be disadvantaged because, well, that is what the data shows.
Now, a Native American business owner will have to prove his ethnic group is disadvantaged before it can get a SBA 8a certification.
https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/feder … 2C%20the,8(a)%20program%2C%20violatedIncredible that whole groups, and anyone claiming membership of those groups, are simply assumed to be disadvantaged.
This is the correct procedure; prove you are disadvantaged before getting govt. assistance. Then apply for govt. goodies.Let's move one day after 13th Amendment. Would you agree the whole group, as a general rule, of Blacks who live in formerly slave states would be disadvantaged in terms of trying to start a business or get a job in one of those formerly slave states or are you saying you believe each individual Black would have to prove they were individually disadvantaged?
That is a binary choice."Would you agree the whole group, as a general rule, of Blacks who live in formerly slave states would be disadvantaged..."
Sure! Now - would you agree that every individual black that lived in formerly slave states was disadvantaged? Because if we're giving away freebies to people I would prefer to know that they actually need it, not just assume they do because of their skin color. You may feel differently, that rich and powerful black people deserve help running a small business even if they don't need it.
How to win friends and influence people - Trump lambasts the 75% of Jews who didn't vote for him. He said they " “voted to destroy America & Israel.” A flier he posted ended with "“Let’s hope you learned from your mistake & make better choices moving forward! Happy New Year!”
Reaction:
Democratic Rep. Jerry Nadler of New York, who is Jewish, said in a post on X: “Next time you attack American Jews, think twice before about doing it on one of our holiest days. Your antisemitism is loud & clear.”[/i\
and
[i]“Trump marks the end of Rosh Hashana with an antisemitic post accusing Jews who voted against him of ‘destroy[ing] America & Israel,’” Amy Spitalnick, the CEO of the Jewish Council for Public Affairs,
and
Jonathan Greenblatt, the CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, said in a statement to CNN that Trump was “playing into conspiracy theories about dual loyalty.”
“It is dangerous and wrong to suggest an entire segment of the Jewish population voted to destroy America and Israel,” Greenblatt said in the statement.
Trump has a long history of antisemitic speech. For example,
In 2021, Trump said Jewish Americans “either don’t like Israel or don’t care about Israel,” while also suggesting that evangelical Christians “love Israel more than the Jews in this country.”
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/18/politics … index.htmlIt is the shallow thinking of conservatives that is in plain sight.
Jewish Americans vote Democratic because of a respect of diversity and pluralism, and fear of the concept of intolerance which is part and parcel of the Republican Party, today. The results of which they are familiar with from history. That is more important to them than to support Netanyahu and his authoritarian regime
The headline gets you thinking in one direction, but the story suggests the opposite in this case, in my opinion.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/18/us/alaba … index.html
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