Racism, Institutional or Otherwise, in America
To my progressive friends, I am getting nervous.
Can Harris really pull off a win?
Trump's last term was a dumpster fire, yet inspite of that he did relatively well in 2020. Joe Biden's advantage is that he had connections with middle American and had earned their trust and respect over many years, that certainly helped to tip the balance in his favor. Candidate Harris does not have that advantage, but she was wise to select Mr Walz as a running mate to attempt to address it, but will it be enough?
After Trump made a fool of himself on national television in what I consider the poorest performance from any candidate in the history of these debates, the needle seems to have changed little. So, his continued allure obviously has nothing to do with any competence on his part.
When all the usual factions take their respective side the Harris candidacy is challenged.i am counting on the votes of white women to bring a variable into this equation that can push Harris over the top. I can't speak for you and I won't try. But, if I were among your number I would find the patriarchal attitude of Trump and the Republicans enough to not give them so much support this year. After Roe and Dobbs and disaster in so many states regarding principles of rights regarding reproductive control, will you abandon the politics of your husbands, sons, uncles, etc?
We are going need you to get over the top as to what should be an overwhelming advantage for Harris.Can Harris pull off a win? Yes, yes she can.
Haley was right...
"If Donald Trump becomes the Republican nominee, we will get a president, Kamala Harris. You mark my words. He cannot win a general election. He can't get independents. He can't get suburban women."
But also,Trump and the Republicans lose because they re-nominated a loser. There's a reason that doesn't usually happen.
I'm also confident that a majority see Trump as mentally, morally, and physically incapable of serving as president.
Lastly, it looks like Trump's electoral map in terms of a path to victory is shrinking. North Carolina is now a toss-up. She also has very strong pulling and states that Dems haven't won in decades.So, there is hope.
The GOP made a mistake in keeping Trump, Haley had a better chance in the general election considering all the baggage associated with Trump.but he attracts an inordinate amount of brooding and sad sack men, looking for an excuse and a shoulder to cry on over their failed lives.
I hope you are right in confidence that the majority of people will see Trump as mentally, morally and physically incapable of serving as President. Thus far Trump had committed every outrage and he still thrives, what I was believed was just plain common sense, may not be as common as I thought.
Let me hook you up to this graphic that is generally updated daily...
https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2024/ … Sep16.html
Now Trump wants to blame Jewish people, 2 percent of the electorate, if he loses. If the man actually was not so callous and shallow and cracked a book to understand before running his mouth he would realize the Jewish support for Democrats go far beyond the politics of the nation state of Israel. Jews, from history, know what happens when one is targeted and forced to be an outcast.
As the Republicans cling to these sorts of themes, Jews want nothing of it and can be consistently relied upon to vote against it.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-i … =113853150As EVERYBODY knows, even MAGA, he will say what he needs to say to get elected. The TRUTH does not matter to the delusional.
Also, there is a reason why most Jews reject the far-right - they are too close to Hitler.Not only Jews but MOST people reject the far right fringes as they reject the far left fringes of society. Both extremes are dangerous. The average extremist, whether left or right, is devoid of logic.
Agreed. Why don't you don't consider Trump an extremist given his Hitleresque-type rallies, his cats and dogs hate speech which will probably get someone in Springfield killed, "poisoning the blood" of Americans, his referring to almost any black country as "infested", calling Democrats "vermin"?
Research has shown that that kind of rhetoric is intended to brainwash anybody sympathetic to him. Hitler did it. Putin is doing it, Trump makes Putin look amateurish in that regard.Perhaps for the same reasons you don't consider Harris an extremist even though her every goal seems to be to play Robin Hood, taking from one to give to another. Every move is to enrich one person at the expense of another. Little to nothing is designed to better the country, just select individuals while denying others what they have earned and built.
In a country that began with people leaving Europe to start a new life on their own, in a country populated with descendants of people walking thousands of miles through hostile territory to start a new life on their own, in a country of people dedicated to providing for themselves, isn't it more than a little radical to decide that those same people do not own what they build and instead must give it to others, a little radical to decide that 200,000,000 people are but children, unable to care for themselves, unable to make decisions, able only to live off the charity of others?
But no, you do not think that, do you? It is not only not radical it is reasonable and true because they are all victims somehow.There is a huge difference between fulfilling gov'ts function of protecting its citizens from harm, as Harris is proposing, and you object to, and the extremist rhetoric spewed out by Trump and his cohorts. It makes, IMO, for a disingenuous false equivalency.
And the "radical" idea is that people of a society don't owe a debt to the society that protects them and allows them to prosper.Of course they owe a "debt" to the society that protects them. They owe their share of the cost of maintaining that society.
But of course that isn't the discussion - it is the demand that they somehow "owe" a "debt" to those that do nothing to add to our country even to the point they refuse to support themselves. To those individuals, the people of America owe nothing.
(As always I also take exception to your outright lie that I take exception to Harris' plans to protect America. You will not find that anywhere in any of my posts.)Wilderness, Trump sees the nature of the migrants. He knows that they are exhausting American infrastructures. A blind person can see this. Liberals wants to be inclusive of everyone. No no no. Conservatives believing in vetting people to include only those who add to America. These migrants DON'T add to America. They are detrimental to American society & need to be deported to their countries of origin.
The Democrats are socialistic in origin. Because of Democratic policies, there is a plethora of inane social policies which are totally UNNECESSARY. There was the war on poverty which created the welfare state. This resulted in people being entitled & generational welfare. These inane socialist policies have taken the initiative away from able-bodied people who can contribute. Republicans believe rightly in lifting oneself by his/her bootstraps. Republicans believe in work, effort, & making one's way.The impact of migrants on American infrastructure is a complex issue, influenced by factors such as the number of migrants, the geographic area, the type of infrastructure (e.g., housing, healthcare, education), and local policies.
Strains on Infrastructure
Healthcare: Some communities, particularly in border states like Texas, report that the influx of migrants puts pressure on healthcare systems. Emergency rooms in certain areas are seeing more patients, leading to longer wait times and resource constraints(
Brennan Center for Justice
).
Education: Schools in areas with high migrant populations may struggle to accommodate non-English-speaking students or those with interrupted educational backgrounds. This can require additional resources such as English language programs and specialized teachers(
Brennan Center for Justice
).
Housing: In regions where large numbers of migrants settle, there can be a strain on affordable housing. Cities like New York have seen shelters and low-income housing become overwhelmed, leading to temporary housing solutions that put a financial burden on local governments(
Brennan Center for Justice
) .
Why do Conservative Always Overlook this:
Economic Contributions
On the other hand, migrants also contribute to the economy, filling labor shortages, especially in industries such as agriculture, construction, and service. This economic activity can, in some cases, help support local infrastructure through taxes and consumer spending
(Brennan Center for Justice).
Regional Differences
While some areas experience infrastructure strain due to sudden or large-scale migration, other areas benefit from migrants revitalizing local economies, increasing demand for services, and contributing to tax revenues. Studies show consistently that in aggregate, migrants add more to our economy that take away from it. I have provided links to several of those many times in the past.
Overall, while there are regions where the influx of migrants strains local resources, the broader impact of migrants on U.S. infrastructure is not uniformly negative. Many factors, including federal and state policies, determine how well local systems handle migrant populations(
Brennan Center for Justice) .
Springfield, OH, according to its mayor and the Ohio governor, NEEDED that Haitians to fill jobs!!
In many cases, the federal gov't steps in to help the Temporary need of communities with an influx of migrants. Texas and Florida ought to help those communities they force migrants to go to.
It is a good thing we didn't have the kind of "vetting" program that Conservatives want back in the 1800s. Also, be happy Native American's didn't have that vetting program in the 1600s and 1700s.I obviously need to provide the TRUE "origin" of the Democratic Party (I don't think you will find the word socialist mentioned even once.)
The Democratic Party in the United States has undergone significant ideological shifts from its founding in the early 19th century as a conservative, pro-slavery party to becoming one of the most liberal major political parties today. Here's an overview of this transformation:
Early History: Conservative Origins (1828–1860s)
Founding and Jacksonian Era: The Democratic Party was founded in 1828 by supporters of Andrew Jackson. Early Democrats promoted agrarianism, states' rights, and limited government. They opposed centralized federal power and advocated for a laissez-faire economy. The party's base was strongest in the South, and it supported the institution of slavery as a cornerstone of Southern society and economy.
Civil War and Reconstruction (1860s–1870s): During the Civil War, the Democratic Party was associated with the Confederacy and largely opposed the abolition of slavery. After the war, Democrats in the South were the main political force behind the implementation of "Jim Crow" laws and segregationist policies during Reconstruction.
Shifts Toward Progressivism (1890s–1930s)
Late 19th Century: As industrialization grew, the party began to support more populist and progressive policies. Leaders like William Jennings Bryan championed anti-corporate reforms, advocating for the working class and pushing for free silver and opposition to the gold standard. The party still had a conservative wing, especially in the South, but progressivism began to gain influence in the North.
The New Deal Era (1930s): Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal in the 1930s marked a decisive turn towards liberal economic policies. In response to the Great Depression, Democrats embraced government intervention in the economy, creating programs like Social Security and establishing labor protections. This solidified the Democrats as the party of the working class, though the party still had a conservative, segregationist faction in the South.
Civil Rights Era and Liberal Realignment (1940s–1970s)
Post-War Period: After World War II, Democrats increasingly supported civil rights, as the liberal wing of the party grew stronger. Figures like Harry Truman pushed for desegregation of the military, and John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson advanced civil rights legislation.
1960s Civil Rights Movement: The passage of the Civil Rights Act (1964) and the Voting Rights Act (1965) under President Johnson alienated Southern conservatives (Dixiecrats), leading to a major political realignment. Southern conservatives gradually left the Democratic Party and began aligning with the Republican Party, while the Democratic Party increasingly became associated with liberal positions on social justice, equality, and racial integration.
Modern Liberalism (1980s–Present)
Post-1970s: By the 1980s, the Democratic Party had become the dominant liberal party in the U.S. It embraced progressive stances on environmentalism, women's rights, LGBTQ+ rights, and healthcare reform. Economic policies continued to support welfare programs, government regulation, and a more robust social safety net. The party also adopted positions advocating for multiculturalism and diversity.
21st Century: Today, the Democratic Party champions a platform that includes universal healthcare, climate change action, racial and gender equity, and a more interventionist government to ensure economic and social justice. While there are moderate factions within the party, such as the Blue Dog Democrats, the overall direction is solidly progressive compared to its origins.
Key Moments in the Shift
The New Deal (1930s): Shift towards government intervention in the economy.
Civil Rights Movement (1960s): Break with Southern conservatives over race issues.
1970s–1980s: Southern conservatives left the party, and Democrats embraced modern liberalism.
The Democratic Party’s transformation from a conservative, pro-slavery party to a liberal advocate of civil rights and progressive policies was gradual but decisive, driven by major events like the New Deal and Civil Rights Movement.
Sources:
History.com
Britannica
The Atlantic
Yesterday's conservative Democrats was the Party that DENIED you the right to vote while what is Today's liberal Democrats was the Party that won you the right to vote.
Also remember, the original Liberals in America where George Washington, James Madison, John Jay, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Benjamin Franklin, etc.Data released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics, an arm of the Department of Labor, shows native-born Americans lost more than 1.3 million jobs over the last 12 months, while foreign-born workers gained more than 1.2 million jobs.
First, while I am parsing the data, which I am sure you did as well, are you blaming illegal immigrants or legal immigrants waiting for asylum resolution for all of that?
I'm blaming the Biden-Harris Administration for reversing efforts Trump had made to lower migration and to disincentivize their coming.
The Biden-Harris Administration joined the UN Global Compact on Migration and redirected hundreds of billions of tax-debt to aiding in migrants migrating to America and receiving social services and government support in getting jobs... Americans were sometimes fired from jobs so that migrants in turn could be hired, that the Biden Administration supported and gave incentives to corporations for.OK, so you and Trump would rather have a shrinking US population and shrinking GDP to go along with it? That is the implication of your position to stop or limit immigration.
Why is Native-born American employment declining?
1. Our Native-born population is rapidly getting older and retiring or leaving work due to health.
2. The observed Native-born Non-Institutional population is decreasing.
3. That leads to a observed shrinkage of the Native-born Employment Workforce
4. The reverse of 2 and 3 is true for foreign-born Americans.
Contrary to the belief that foreign-born workers are taking jobs from native-born Americans, studies show that both groups are experiencing job growth. In fact, since 2021, employment for native-born workers increased by about 5.7 million, with foreign-born workers gaining approximately 5.1 million jobs in the same period(
PolitiFact
)(
Check Your Fact
). Labor experts also argue that immigrant workers complement the domestic workforce by filling gaps in industries like agriculture, construction, and healthcare (Economic Policy Institute). Thus, while there may be short-term declines in native-born employment due to retirements or economic shifts, there is no strong evidence that immigration is driving this trend.
See how a little research does a 180 on your preconceived notions?
2.You know as well as I do that the programs funded and supported by the Biden-Harris Administration come at a cost to our economy and add to inflation (as they add to our debt).
Is there long term benefit to this effort to bring in millions of very low-skilled migrants into America?
There is benefits for corporations, there is benefit if the goal is to break down the fabric of what makes a cohesive nation built on similar beliefs and language.
If the goal is a borderless world that overwhelmingly favors the interests of the corporations over the interests of citizens then continuing on the path the Biden-Harris Administration has set us upon is the way to go.
If eroding the benefits of citizenship, or if eradicating the concept of national citizenship in favor of a global citizenry beholden to international corporate interests and a select elite is what you seek... then continuing on the path the Biden-Harris Administration has us fast tracking on is the way to go.
You will own nothing... you will have no rights... and you will be happy.I agree with Ken. These migrants are very low skilled & they add nothing to the American economy. Au contraire, they are exhausting the American infrastructure. An astute middle schooler knows this. The Democrats are becoming more & more socialist w/each decade. It started en masse in 1965 with the war on poverty programs. These programs created the welfare state as we know it. These programs were problematic with middle class taxpayers being taxed to the hilt. The Democratic Party has always been socialist in one form or another. Now, they have taken it to the extreme. Cognizant people won't be voting Democrat as Democrats are destroying America by creating debt. They will be voting Republican.
"I agree with Ken. These migrants are very low skilled & they add nothing to the American economy. " - I have shown where that is NOT true. Can you show me studies that says it is?
"Au contraire, they are exhausting the American infrastructure. " - I have shown and provided the links where that is NOT true in most circumstances and certainly not in the way you mean. Can you show me studies that says it is?
Do you know the definition of "socialism". Hint, it is not welfare. If it were, then ALL nations would be "socialist" because ALL nations provide welfare to their population to one degree or another. Studies show that America falls on the low-end of that scale - 26th out of 35 developed nations - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_c … e_spending - Can you provide something similar that proves that wrong or will you modify your stance?
Creating debt, that is a laugh. Don't you remember that Trump declared himself the King of Debt and then went on to prove it during his four years. His current economic promises will make the terrible job he did between 2017 and 2021 look good by comparison. Are you sure you want to vote for huge increases in debt?
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/ … ebt-224642
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 … any-other/
Highest annual debt per year is Trump at $1.95 trillion increase per year in office. The second highest ever was Obama at $1.19 trillion. Will you now agree that Trump, true to his word, is the King of Debt and not the Democrats?
"16 Nobel Prize-winning economists say Trump policies will fuel inflation" - Why do you want more inflation under Trump? https://www.reuters.com/world/us/16-nob … 024-06-25/
Modelling shows Trump want's to raise the national debt by $580 billion per year while Harris's program will increase it by only $120 billion a year. I would go with the candidate that increases the debt by less and actually helps middle class people as opposed to Trump's almost FIVE TIMES bigger increase that helps mostly himself and his wealthy friends. I am sorry to see you seem to want the second option while I prefer the first.
https://www.axios.com/2024/08/28/trump- … t-electionApparently, you cannot provide studies to back up your claims. I didn't think you could.
Now that you have gotten that out of your system, please tell the truth or back up your incomplete, out of context statements with facts. I took the time and effort previously, why can't you now?
Ken, there are people who will vote Democrat no matter what. It is analogous to a German person who saw that Hitler was losing the war yet insisted that Germany will win the war.
I see you are projecting MAGA onto the Democrats again.
No, they are projecting it unto themselves but love using their displacement mechanisms unto the Republicans who want to remedy the mess the Democrats put us in. I know that you vehemently refuse to acknowledge the truth, hmmmm.
Sure, let me pull some truth and facts out of the internet... lets see...
The full picture of our economic well-being is disparaging when considering the (Trump) pre-pandemic economy.
When factoring in real average weekly earnings, the average worker has seen a nearly 4 percent decline in wages after inflation since January 2021.
That value is more than 3 percent lower than it would be if wage growth had continued at the (Trump) pre-pandemic rate.
In contrast to the Biden-Harris Administration's wage growth narrative, stagnant real disposable income per capita and a nearly 4% decline in real avg weekly earnings indicate a substantial decrease in economic well-being.
Statistical data reveals real incomes have either stagnated or declined since Jan. 2021.
The Real Cause of Inflation Is Insane Government Spending
https://www.texaspolicy.com/the-real-ca … -spending/
The Fleecing of America: How an Unprecedented Federal Spending Spree Created Economic Turmoil
https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spe … ee-created
And I am blaming Biden for increasing immigration and increasing our GDP.
Let me remind you what your comment was that I responded to: "Perhaps for the same reasons you don't consider Harris an extremist even though her every goal seems to be to play Robin Hood, taking from one to give to another. "
How can my comment that you object to something be a lie when virtually every word you write points in that direction. Shall I go back and find all the times where you wrote you oppose anti-discrimination laws or social safety nets? If that is not "objecting to helping people" I don't know what is.
This I understand. Thank You, wilderness.
Cred, Jewish people, for the most part, are politically liberal, especially Reform, non-traditionally religious, & secular Jews. Conservative & Orthodox Jews tend to be politically conservative.
Yes, but 70 percent of the American Jews vote for Democrat, so it would appear that as a composite group they fear the excesses of the right over those of the left. And, you know something, I agree with their assessment.
I also agree with their assessment. It was the right wing in America that preached & practiced anti-Semitism. In the 1930s, a rabid anti-Semite, Father Coughlin, preached that the Jews caused the Great Depression. As we all know, Charles Lindbergh, was also an anti-Semite. Also it was the anti-Semites in the 1930s that refuse to increase quotas for Jews fleeing Nazi Europe. We all also know that the right-wing fascist governments in the 1930s lead to the extermination of the Jewish people. There is a book called HITLER'S ALLIES by Norman Ridley which discusses Americans who supported Nazism. Yes, there are those reactionaries who consistently blame the Jews for everything.
But, in spite of this and other examples of out and out bigotry, Trump has quite a following. Anyone bothering to open a book can understand the Jewish affinity for Democrats. Trump's stable genius is full of holes. He is too dumb to realize that he is just as much an advocate for anti-semitism as any of the personalities 80-90 years ago. Trump and HIS followers wear the mantle of reactionary.
"... he is just as much an advocate for anti-semitism as any of the personalities 80-90 years ago. Trump and HIS followers wear the mantle of reactionary.
How so?Read my earlier comments regarding trump blaming the non support of the Jews as the potential cause for losing the upcoming election.
"Trump wants to reinstate his Muslim ban,
putting the blame largely on Jews if he loses the election." willowarbor
Huh?
I guess this topic is over my head.Here is more in case you missed the uttering of an insufferably stupid fellow.
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-i … =113853150Okay, thank you. Its all a can of worms to me. (this Jewish stuff)
The world is a very harsh place. I guess its always been like this and I just wasn't aware. I tend to look for the easiest most joyful solution.
I'm starting to realize there is no easy, joyful solution.
The world is a harsh place.
End of story.And your man is making it so much harsher with his paranoia, his hateful rhetoric, and actions he has taken in the past as President, e.g. Muslim ban.
"I'll put it to you very simply and as gently as I can, I wasn't treated properly by the voters who happen to be Jewish," he said. "I don't know. Do they know what the hell is happening if I don't win this election and the Jewish people would really have a lot to do with that if that happens because, at 40%, that means 60% of the people are voting for the enemy. Israel, in my opinion, will cease to exist within two years, and I believe I'm 100%," said Trump as the crowd appeared to chat among themselves.
Keep in mind, Jews, including children who can't vote, make up a whopping 2% of America's population.
And Wilderness and others wonder why I have such a distaste for conservatism in practice.
If you read Russell Kirk's 10 Conservative Principles you will find several of them quite appealing and reasonable. But at least two of them are poison pills.
One is number 5:
Fifth, conservatives pay attention to the principle of variety. They feel affection for the proliferating intricacy of long-established social institutions and modes of life, as distinguished from the narrowing uniformity and deadening egalitarianism of radical systems. For the preservation of a healthy diversity in any civilization, there must survive orders and classes, differences in material condition, and many sorts of inequality. The only true forms of equality are equality at the Last Judgment and equality before a just court of law; all other attempts at levelling must lead, at best, to social stagnation. Society requires honest and able leadership; and if natural and institutional differences are destroyed, presently some tyrant or host of squalid oligarchs will create new forms of inequality."
It is the practical application of the bolded section that gives Conservatives permission to support things like slavery in the 1800s and earlier, slavery-adjacent from 1870 - 1964, and then attempting to degrade the Civil Rights Act in the decades that follow. It is that sentence that defines the major difference between Liberals and Conservatives.
As you can tell from his essay, it is the Conservative's position that this "hierarchy" should not be disturbed because these natural differences between people and groups are baked in to the human psyche. And if they are to be disturbed, then it needs to be in slow, small, measured steps. It is that philosophy that permitted conservatives in good "conscience" to defend the practice of people of one race owning people of another. This is why Conservatives are so reticent to fix social problems and worse, rarely even tries.
Liberals, on the other hand, reject that idea wholeheartedly. While Liberals agree that the idea of "hierarchy" is ingrained in the human psyche, they are not afraid to TRY to do something about it. And, for the most part, they want to take pragmatic steps to correct social ills. Liberals, by and large are not revolutionaries as Kirk and other Conservatives claim. In today's America it is true (because you can count them) that while there are plenty of wrong-headed Liberals who want to push things too far, too fast, there are even more Conservatives who want to drag us back to the stone age. (Ironically, from what I have read, the people of the age before agriculture were more egalitarian in practice than what Liberals want in theory.)
The next principle, Sixth, conservatives are chastened by their principle of imperfectability. , further emphasizes the Conservatives desire to leave discriminatory systems in place rather than trying to fix the problem.Thanks, ESO.
5. The only justification for inequality is one that is based upon merit, attained by everybody and anybody who has the talent and the desire to succeed, not preference or privilege. I don't not accept the idea of royalty or that one man is intrinsically better than another.
I always will resist the idea of a caste system as normal.
Just because something falls short of perfection does not justify our resigning ourselves to accept this as the status quo. We would have had no record of any progress in this society with that attitude. Rigid injustice and inequity that persists is a powder keg, the very stuff revolutions are made of, let's look at Paris in 1789.
It's hard to keep up with all the hate these days.
Haitians eating pets, Trump wants to reinstate his Muslim ban, putting the blame largely on Jews if he loses the election and that gem of a senator from Louisiana who told the executive director of the Arab American Institute....“You should hide your head in a bag.”
Us versus them demagoguery. Fear mongering is baked into the cake and it's being served up relentlessly. History has shown us, this generally leads to violence.And the kind of dictatorship Trump wants and advocates for.
And what kind of dictatorship does Trump want and advocate for?
~ what is the "extremist rhetoric spewed out by Trump and his cohorts."?
~ how does "Trump and HIS followers wear the mantle of reactionary."?
Man, I'm confused.GOP congressman tweets racist rant about Haitian immigrants
Rep. Clay Higgins, R-La., called Haiti the "nastiest country in the western hemisphere" in a post on social media Wednesday, saying migrants from the Caribbean country, the majority of whom are in the U.S. legally, should "get their ass out of our country."
Higgins' rant on X — which was deleted hours later — came in response to an Associated Press story about a Haitian nonprofit group that filed a citizen criminal charge against former President Donald Trump and Sen. JD Vance for their repeated baseless claims about migrants in Springfield, Ohio, including Trump's assertion at the presidential debate they were "eating the dogs" and "eating the cats."
"Lol. These Haitians are wild. Eating pets, vudu, nastiest country in the western hemisphere, cults, slapstick gangsters… but damned if they don’t feel all sophisticated now, filing charges against our President and VP," he said, referring to Republican presidential and vice presidential nominees Trump and Vance, respectively.
"All these thugs better get their mind right and their ass out of our country before January 20th," the post concluded. That would be the day Trump and Vance would be sworn into office if they win November's election.
Higgins is a staunch Trump ally who has become known for using heated rhetoric, including saying last year of special counsel Jack Smith, "I’ll just say that his days are numbered and American patriots are not gonna stand idly by, good sir, and allow our republic to dissolve."
After a 2017 terrorist attack in London, Higgins said anyone even suspected of being an Islamic terrorist should be killed.
“Not a single radicalized Islamic suspect should be granted any measure of quarter,” he wrote on Facebook. “Their intended entry to the American homeland should be summarily denied. Every conceivable measure should be engaged to hunt them down. Hunt them, identify them, and kill them. Kill them all.”
The musings of a typical MAGA xenophobic racist. SAD for the Republican Party. SADDER for America.
I thought that this article might be of interest to you, IB
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/27/politics … index.html
Did you know that Trump had mentioned about the possibility of selling Puerto Rico, as if the residents have no say or input in all of that. It is forgotten that Trump made a fool out of himself a few years ago by asking Danish authorities if he could buy Greenland, as if the residents there had no say as to how and by whom they are to be governed.I remember that.
About the "comedian". I dont know. Im not offended by their stupidity. But it wasnt funny. He also said offensive/sexual comments about latinos in general, and racist comments about black people.
To have a guy making racist jokes at your rally, when you're frequently accused of being racist, and at a moment when you're trying to get brown and black votes... The stupidity of MAGA. I guess most of them like that stuff.
Continuing to stoke the flames of bigotry and intolerance, this is just how Trump and MAGA work their playbook. How else can such a hateful man manage to remain so prominent for so long? Republicans count on the xenophobic and racist attitudes held by much of American public to get them over the top, and they might well succeed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … nt-threat/A Wisconsin City Welcomed New Refugees. Then the Angry Billboards Went Up.
Eau Claire had a plan. But opponents, mostly from rural areas, were convinced that the newcomers would destroy their Midwestern way of life.
The billboards marked the beginning of a searing monthslong battle in central and western Wisconsin over 75 refugees, mostly from countries in central Africa. Each one had been vetted, often for years, and then invited by the federal government to come to the United States. An evangelical nonprofit would help them settle, at least initially, in Eau Claire, a predominantly white, liberal-leaning city of 70,000, surrounded by a conservative swath of rural Wisconsin.
Standing against the resettlement: a loud protest group, dozens strong, made up in part of evangelical Christians, who said cities and states should be able to say no to refugees coming to their communities.
Often deploying selective facts and misinformation, they insisted the resettlement was unlawful and founded with ill intent, and that the refugees would bring a rise in crime, disease and disorder — along with Shariah law.
When the City Council president, Emily Berge, saw the false accusations plastered last October above a thoroughfare in this river-crossed Midwestern city, her heart sank.
“I was shocked such claims would be made,” Ms. Berge said. “It was so xenophobic, and not at all what we stand for as a community.”
Xenophobic? “Hardly,” said Matthew Bocklund, an avid supporter of former President Donald J. Trump and an activist who helped raise funds for the billboards.
“I don’t want to live in a third-world hellhole,” one protester said at a public gathering.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/09/28/us/p … tests.htmlSo, what we have in this situation is people who have seen on the News and in Social Media for years now, all the horrible things that can occur when foreign migrants are brought (without informing the populace of that town and gaining their trust and acceptance of such an effort) to a town (rural community) that hasn't experienced this.
IF our media, and our 'leaders', and our government spent as much or more effort in putting out positive messaging and making sure that things appeared fair and reasonable, and taking time to gain the communities support BEFORE shipping in dozens, or hundreds, or thousands...
AND IF our government actually DID vet foreign migrants as well as the above article you provided noted for those particular migrants, and actually DID keep out all the hardened criminals and predators...
You would be 100% right about your perspectives... and how you consider those rural white Americans racist, xenophobic, etc.
But that isn't the case... and you are not near to 100% right.
[EDIT - PART II]
So... now let's consider what our government is REALLY doing, and who they are REALLY spending billions flying in, supporting, and dumping (deliberately chosen word) into unsuspecting communities.
The hundreds of thousands of inadmissible aliens the Biden-Harris Administration authorized to fly over the border into the interior of the country but then determinedly fought to shield from public knowledge.
Florida airports by far led all other states in flight landings of 326,000 immigrants through March of this year.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and his top lieutenants have voiced their displeasure that Biden’s government kept the program hidden from them.
“It is a secret because . . . they don’t tell us anytime somebody comes in,” DeSantis complained during an April 4 press conference when asked about the Center’s report of a few days earlier. “They don’t give us any information on it. They are not coordinating with state government at all. If they throw six people on a commercial flight coming from a foreign country, there’s no acknowledgement at all to state or local authorities. That’s just a fact.”
The administration reports that the immigrants are mainly from Cuba, Haiti, Nicaragua, and Venezuela.
https://cis.org/Bensman/Secret-Finally- … -Thousands
An internal DHS report found massive fraud occurring among thousands of sponsors for the migrants, with the listing of fake social security numbers or phone numbers some of which belonged to dead people.
“Venezuela’s Violent Deaths Fall to 22-Year Low on Migration”. Well, crime is definitely falling in the country since the surge of Venezuelan entrants to the United States began.
On December 28, 2023, Bloomberg reported: “Venezuela’s rate of violent deaths dropped to its lowest level in more than two decades following years of massive migration as both criminals and victims fled the nation’s economic crisis.”
That article quotes Roberto Briceño León, director of the Observatory Venezuelan Violence, which found there were 26.8 violent deaths in the country per 100,000 in 2023, a marked decline from the 35.3 violent deaths the previous year, as “criminals and gangs have emigrated due to the lack of opportunities to commit crimes”.
https://cis.org/Arthur/Venezuela-Sendin … ted-States
So, we have a government that Secretly flies in migrants. Denies the fact, does nothing to quell the fears of Americans as strangers are put into their neighborhoods... and the current Administration was either duped or too dumb, or just didn't care enough to ensure these were not thousands of violent criminals they were letting in.
And then, we have a media and select politicians that call American citizens who get upset about it racist, xenophobic, when another girl is raped, or a gang takes over an apartment building, or a hotel is filled and crime skyrockets in the neighborhood."AND IF our government actually DID vet foreign migrants as well as the above article you provided noted for those particular migrants, and actually DID keep out all the hardened criminals and predators..."
Are you able to discuss the laws and the resulting policy that exists in terms of vetting? How are immigrants vetted? Have these policy/processes changed over the past 4 years? Are they different under this administration versus the Trump administration? Please provide citation of written policy.
If, we as a nation, are unhappy with such policies, should we put pressure on our elected representatives to craft legislation to change such?
What a surprise. Not.
The open, almost proud, xenophobia and racism in US (inc HP) has become a new normal.Predictable... flew right over like a jet plane I see...
If the job was done right, not in a rush, not with 'just check-in and let us know where you want to go' ease of entry...
But its not...
Tren de Aragua gang started in Venezuela’s prisons now in the US
https://apnews.com/article/tren-de-arag … a893e09e53
'Ghost criminals': How Venezuelan gang members are slipping into the U.S.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/immigr … rcna156290
This is the failing of the Biden Administration...
It is the job of the American people to be accepting of the people who are in need...
It is the job of the American Government to protect its people, by ensuring it is not letting in thousands of criminals intent on doing harm...
If the Biden Administration cared about the Citizens of America more than catering to an elite class and posturing for political gain, things would have gone much better for those in need, as well as those who received them."This is the failing of the Biden Administration..".
Has Congress given him more funds, additional resources?
Considering our actual immigration laws, what would you have him do? That is legal?Baloney...
Trump refused to join the UN Global Compact on Migration.
Biden joined it on day 1.
Trump made an agreement with Mexico to hold migrants in Mexico until they were properly vetted and gave NO incentive to migrants to come.
Biden rescinded those efforts on day 1.
I could go on, in great detail, documenting how this all went pretty badly because we have idiots (and one corrupt dementia patient) running the show, Biden, Harris, the whole damned Administration is the worst, most incompetent collection we have ever suffered in any Administration since I have been alive.
But I have already done that... over the course of the last 4 years... from Ukraine to Iran, from immigration to government spending, there has never been a worse Administration.
That's why Harris is running a campaign as if she is NEW and different, as if she will bring change and JOY... because they can't run on the truth, that a Harris Presidency will be a continuation of the last 4 years... only worse... because from Ukraine to Iran, Immigration to the Economy, everything IS worse today than 4 years ago.Ken, the amount this administration has spent on the border is outrageous -- bears repeating ---
Yes, money was given for the Border czars project to stop the flow ----In 2021, Vice President Kamala Harris announced a commitment of $310 million in aid to Central America, specifically targeting issues in Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador. This funding aimed to address the root causes of migration from these countries, including poverty, violence, and corruption. The goal was to improve economic opportunities and security in the region to reduce the flow of migrants heading to the United States.
And how much and where she spent in our Taxes
Guatemala: Approximately $144 million
Honduras: Approximately $60 million
El Salvador: Approximately $45 million
NOW the really ugly part ------
The combined budget for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for fiscal years 2021, 2022, 2023, and the proposed budget for 2024 is as follows:
Fiscal Year 2021: Approximately $52.8 billion
Fiscal Year 2022: Approximately $54.6 billion
Fiscal Year 2023: Approximately $60.2 billion
Fiscal Year 2024 (proposed): Approximately $61.5 billion
Combined Total for FY 2021-2024
Total: Approximately $229.1 billionThose numbers are drops in the bucket...
The money the Biden Administration gave out to NGOs and the UN to help fund migrants getting here is in the billions.
And they plan on spending much more:
The Biden Administration Wants Even More Money to Distribute Illegal Aliens Throughout the United States - March 2024
https://www.heritage.org/immigration/re … gal-aliens
Key Takeaways
The Biden Administration uses two little-known programs to provide taxpayer-funded aid to illegal aliens encountered along the southwest border.
Originally intended for temporary immediate aid, the Administration now uses the programs to transport as many as two million illegal aliens [each year] throughout the U.S.
Nonprofits Are Making Billions off the Border Crisis - March 2024
https://www.thefp.com/p/nonprofits-make … t-children
How feds use charities to hide the true cost of the US border crisis
https://nypost.com/2022/12/21/how-feds- … er-crisis/"Yes, money was given for the Border czars project to stop the flow ---"
Who is the "border czar? "
"Biden rescinded those efforts on day 1.". Nope.
MPP ran thru August of 2022. And during the time it was being litigated in the courts, The government of Mexico indicated that it would opposes any attempt by the United States to restart the program in the future.
Yes, money was given for the Border czars project to stop the flow ----In 2021, Vice President Kamala Harris announced a commitment of $310 million in aid to Central America, specifically targeting issues in Guatemala, Honduras, and El Salvador. This funding aimed to address the root causes of migration from these countries, including poverty, violence, and corruption. The goal was to improve economic opportunities and security in the region to reduce the flow of migrants heading to the United States.
And how much and where she spent in our Taxes
Guatemala: Approximately $144 million
Honduras: Approximately $60 million
El Salvador: Approximately $45 million
NOW the really ugly part ------
The combined budget for the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) for fiscal years 2021, 2022, 2023, and the proposed budget for 2024 is as follows:
Fiscal Year 2021: Approximately $52.8 billion
Fiscal Year 2022: Approximately $54.6 billion
Fiscal Year 2023: Approximately $60.2 billion
Fiscal Year 2024 (proposed): Approximately $61.5 billion
Combined Total for FY 2021-2024
Total: Approximately $229.1 billion
Pretty shocking, I would say --- yet you feel more should be added?
How or why do you defend this horrendous mess Biden/Harris have created?
More context.
https://www.wpr.org/news/after-backlash … eau-claire“These people have fled their homes and suffered unimaginable loss,” World Relief staffer Jodi Jewell told her fellow residents. “They’ve had to leave behind careers, cultural norms, homes, family members. However, their past difficulties are not what define them. They are some of the most resilient, driven and joy-filled people that you’ll ever meet.”
Good heart... all the right reasons.
critics of the refugee resettlement claimed a city manager made an agreement with World Relief in secret months before the public knew.
Bad actors... making decisions that impact communities, and the lives of those within, without their consent, without allowing the community any choice.
There is your problem.
And then the Billboard pushes those buttons... conflates an already badly handled situation making it worse.
But there is truth at the heart of it.
"We will put who-ever we want into your community... whenever we want... wherever we want... and go F yourself if you don't like it."
Its the message many are getting... not sure its going to receive any accolades for being a great sales pitch, but, you know, they are deplorables, so who cares what they want or think?
The topic of immigration to the United States encompasses a range of perspectives, with various reasons motivating individuals to seek a new life in the U.S. Many immigrants are drawn by the promise of economic opportunity, believing that hard work can lead to better job prospects and higher wages. Others flee political instability or oppressive regimes, seeking refuge and the hope of greater freedoms and human rights.
Conversely, some Americans express concerns about their rights being usurped by the influx of immigrants. They fear economic competition, arguing that an increase in immigrant workers can drive down wages and limit job opportunities, particularly in low-wage sectors. Cultural integration is another concern, as some worry that new immigrants may not assimilate into American society, potentially leading to tensions and divisions. Additionally, there are apprehensions regarding resource allocation, with some feeling that an expanding population strains public resources like education, healthcare, and social services, which they believe should prioritize citizens. Legal and security issues also come into play, as fears about illegal immigration can heighten concerns regarding crime and national security. Some Americans believe that immigration policies may infringe upon their rights, impacting property rights, public safety, and their ability to voice opinions on immigration.
Bridging the divide requires understanding both the aspirations of immigrants and the genuine concerns of many Americans. Finding common ground may involve promoting policies that facilitate fair immigration processes while addressing security and economic issues. Community engagement and dialogue can foster understanding between immigrant populations and long-standing residents. This complex issue is deeply rooted in historical, cultural, and economic factors, and addressing it requires a comprehensive approach that respects the needs and rights of everyone involved.
Yes, while the emotional appeal of accepting migrants is understandable, it’s essential to recognize that there are significant drawbacks and challenges associated with immigration. Emotional arguments can sometimes overshadow practical considerations, leading to policies that may not effectively address the complexities of the situation.
For instance, while many individuals genuinely wish to help those fleeing hardship, concerns about economic impact, cultural integration, and resource allocation cannot be overlooked. A purely emotional approach may lead to an influx of immigrants that some communities are unprepared to accommodate, potentially straining public services and creating tension among residents.I submit an appropriate article for your reading pleasure...
Will white people people tell me what is the reason for this obsession in America for beating down Black People for so long? Is it really just because they were different? You give Trump a standing ovation today, here and now, for still doing it. I can have no confidence in you nor your motives as a result.
https://www.salon.com/2024/10/06/kamala … formation/
"Its the Same Old Song"
The Four Tops-1965
Here is a little entertainment to go with my diatribe
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CkKJy4UaPHM"Will white people tell me what is the reason for this obsession in America for beating down Black People for so long? "
It's pretty unfair to say that all white people are to blame for the long history of oppression against Black folks in America. The roots of this problem go way back, with things like slavery and segregation shaping our society. When we generalize and put all the blame on one group, we ignore the reality that many white individuals are actively fighting against racism and pushing for social justice. Racism is a complex issue influenced by a bunch of social, economic, and political factors, and it doesn’t help to pin all the responsibility on one race. We all have a part to play in tackling discrimination—everyone, regardless of their background, should be working together to make a difference. Plus, it’s important to recognize that Black experiences aren’t the same for everyone; things like class, gender, and where someone lives can make a big difference. Instead of pointing fingers, let’s focus on having open conversations and finding solutions together. That way, we can build understanding and unity in the fight against racism and inequality.
I can't defend many of Trump's words. But I can offer his deeds when he had the job of representing all Americans. Words can certainly be hurtful, and work to damage relationships. But deeds can work to say, I care, I am working to make things better.
Trump----
Donald Trump's administration, there were significant achievements related to Black employment, especially for Black women. The unemployment rate for Black women reached a historic low of 4.5% in August 2019, which was the lowest rate recorded at that time(
Word In Black). This accomplishment was part of a broader trend where Black unemployment overall declined significantly during his presidency, reaching its lowest point of 5.4% in September 2019
Criminal Justice Reform: Trump signed the First Step Act into law in 2018, which aimed to reform the criminal justice system, particularly reducing sentences for non-violent offenses. The law helped address the disproportionate impact of harsh sentencing on Black communities and led to the release of thousands of individuals from federal prisons, many of whom were Black.
Funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs): The Trump administration increased federal funding for HBCUs, making permanent funding commitments. In 2019, Trump signed the FUTURE Act, providing $255 million annually for HBCUs and other minority-serving institutions.
Opportunity Zones: Established under the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, Opportunity Zones provided tax incentives to encourage investment in economically distressed areas, many of which were predominantly Black communities. This aimed to spur economic development and job creation.
Low Unemployment Rates: Before the COVID-19 pandemic, the unemployment rate for Black Americans reached a record low of 5.4% in August 2019. The Trump administration frequently highlighted this achievement as an indicator of economic progress for Black citizens.
Prison Reform and Pardons: In addition to the First Step Act, Trump issued a number of pardons and commutations for Black individuals who had received long prison sentences for non-violent offenses. He also supported high-profile advocacy efforts by figures like Kim Kardashian to bring attention to and rectify sentencing injustices.
These initiatives contributed to progress in areas such as economic opportunity, education, and criminal justice reform that were aimed at improving conditions for Black Americans.I do appreciate your attempt to engage on this question.
"It's pretty unfair to say that all white people are to blame for the long history of oppression against Black folks in America."
Well most of you were, as you could not maintain a society of systemic oppression without it. What is so complicated about treating people with a degree of respect even though they don't look like you? It is attitude that I associate with primitive thinking and there seems to be a lot of that in the American populace today. Trump and MAGA seems to be bringing it all back.
It is one group that is primarely responsible for what has happened, so I do point fingers and do not generalize.
I hold people responsible for what they say. What you consider beneficial actions toward the Black community by Trump have not been recognized as such by us as confirmed by our voting choices.
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"Economists generally credit Obama with getting the recovery solidly underway and Trump with keeping it going until the pandemic recession. The steady job and pay gains in recent years have been the biggest drivers of rising middle-class incomes."
In August and September 2019, when Trump was president, the Black unemployment rate hit a new record low of 5.3%.
But the rate was even lower for several months of Biden’s presidency, hitting its lowest point at 4.8% in April 2023.
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Like I said, it is the "same old song"
I would have liked to believe that IT could not happen here, but I may well be mistaken….
The parallels between 1937 in Germany and 2024 in America are frighteningly similar.
Yes, the rhetoric you described—referring to an "enemy within," dehumanizing minorities, demonizing migrants, and speaking about concepts like "bad genes"—bears strong parallels to the language and ideology presented in Adolf Hitler’s "Mein Kampf."
In "Mein Kampf", Hitler frequently used such dehumanizing and fearmongering language to rally support for his extreme nationalist and racist agenda. The following key themes are similar:
1. "Enemy Within" and Scapegoating Minorities:
Hitler repeatedly portrayed Jews as a dangerous internal enemy undermining Germany. He claimed they were conspiring to destroy the nation from within, a central idea in Nazi propaganda.
The idea of an "enemy within" often serves to create a sense of moral panic and social division, encouraging people to distrust and even hate certain groups within their own society.
2. "Poisoning Blood" and Racial Purity:
Hitler used the concept of "racial purity" extensively in "Mein Kampf". He viewed the intermixing of different races as "polluting" the Aryan race. The phrase "poisoning the blood" directly aligns with the Nazi obsession with "racial hygiene" and preventing the "dilution" of the so-called superior race by non-Aryans, especially Jews and non-white people.
This rhetoric about "bad genes" and genetic inferiority is part of the pseudo-scientific justification Nazis used to promote eugenics and discriminatory policies against Jews, Roma, and other minority groups.
3. Dehumanization of Minorities (Calling Them "Vermin" or "Animals"):
In "Mein Kampf", Hitler consistently referred to Jews and other marginalized groups as subhuman, often using animalistic language such as "vermin" and "parasites." The dehumanization of these groups was central to Nazi ideology and helped justify violent policies, including genocide.
Referring to groups as "animals" or "vermin" plays on fears and deepens hostility by suggesting these people are not only different but less than human and thus deserving of harsh treatment or eradication.
4. Immigrants as a Threat:
Hitler also portrayed Jewish people and other minority groups as a threat to the social and economic stability of Germany, accusing them of taking jobs, undermining the economy, and spreading crime. This scapegoating of minorities for social and economic problems is a recurring theme in nationalist, xenophobic rhetoric.
The idea that immigrants are not just criminals but existential threats to the nation (suggesting they will "eat our pets" or "eat us") is an extreme form of this demonization, meant to stoke fear and hatred.
5. Racial and Genetic Superiority
Hitler’s belief in Aryan superiority and the "purity" of certain races was central to his worldview. He used genetic arguments to support the idea that certain groups were inherently "inferior" or "dangerous" due to their ancestry. In modern times, any talk about "bad genes" among non-white immigrants echoes this kind of eugenic and white supremacist ideology.Besides Trump's year's long racist actions against Island Bite's home in Puerto Rico, institutional racism is alive and well in Michigan to.
After police doing nothing after multiple reports of racial harassment, Michigan police and justice system effectively allowed one white man to shoot a black man. Fortunately, if it can be called that since he shouldn't have been shot in the first place, the victim survived and it is only attempted murder.
This is what Trump's hateful rhetoric leads to. Racial crimes rose astronomically during and after Trump's term and his continued hate-speech. He puts David Duke, a proud supporter who Trump and his most avid cult members embrace, to shame.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/28/us/minne … index.htmlWhile this story isn't about the color of one's skin, it is certainly about how your genes are arraigned, This story is about the long journey of a very conservative Christian couple had in dealing with their gay son.
They found that their gay son was spot on when he told them "There is no hate like Christian love." To be fair, the only Christianity he knew was conservative Christianity, so a better declaration would be "There is no hate like conservative Christian love."!
This is a very long read, but worth every minute of it.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/03/us/conse … index.htmlGreat story. I am continually bewildered how many buy into the idea that God would have them make a choice between him and their child or that they would need to "fix" what he made and gave them.
They leave themselves between a rock and a hard place.
One the one hand, they say God is infallible.
On the other hand, they say God made a mistake when He created gays.
Their way out of that, of course is deluding themselves that gayness is a choice.
Yup, 5,600+ words or over a 20 minute read. Great story! Good thing I had just filled my coffee cup full. I got a lot out of the comments too.
Every once in a great while there is a modicum of justice for institutional racism at work.
In this case, Officer Coy said "Gun, Gun" and immediately pulled the trigger killing a Black man holding a cell phone. He then let his victim bleed out while help arrived.
Coy was fired and the Police Chief was forced out since his department was famous for killing Black men.
Believe it or not, the city had to pass a law forcing police to render aid. It is named after the murder victim.
Coy should never had remained a cop given the number of complaints against him which were ignored by the police chief.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/04/us/andre … index.htmlWe will forever be weeding out bad cops. If America lasts 1,000 years we will still be weeding out bad cops.
And if America lasts 1,000 years we will likely still be demanding and expecting perfection out of our cops. We will still nit pick and second guess them.
(Your link says of that Number of complaints, only a handful were substantiated. That you whine he should have been kicked out because of a handful of complaints over a 20 year span makes my point about expecting perfection.)
Another ramification of racist felon Trump being elected is an increase hate crimes and activity now that these people have a friend in the White House. They didn't even wait until he was sworn in.
Before attack Blacks.
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/07/g-s1-333 … 6FCyWQrXlQWell, we can all hope that Biden's FBI will find the perps and, in typical liberal fashion, slap their wrists and turn them loose. That will surely solve all racial problems, at least until liberal colleges crank up their racist admittance policies.
How is it that one is attributed to Trump (with zero supporting data) and the other is ignored as not happening?At least Biden's FBI will go looking. Trump's FBI will simply ignore it.
Since you never provide supporting data, I thought I would return the favor since data doesn't seem to factor in to your opinions.Deleted
He is so biased --- Trump appointed the current head of FBI. Never sure what he is talking about. I mean Trump has not even been sworn in--- Go figure.
And for supporting data! How can he support that Trump's FBI will as he put it --- "Trump's FBI will simply ignore it."
Maybe a mind reader. LOL Don't give him air...I refuse to do so. Why do they IRRATIONALLY FEAR Trump? Why are they AFRAID? Even when Biden won, I wasn't afraid. My life was good, I didn't suffer. What makes people SO AFRAID of Trump? He is harmless & is looking out for America.
Those discombobulaters are merely jumping to erroneous conclusions.
I guess that's just them exercising.Simple, because of what he did the first time and what he has promised to do this time around. There is a serious question as to whether America will survive as a free country after Trump is done being dictator.
Not afraid, yet you denigrated Biden and the Democrats to death. So, I reserve the right to do the same to Trump and the Republicans. Turn about is fair play, don't you think?
Trump had better watch his caboose, because I will be right on the top of it.What she refuses to understand is the fear half of Americans have of Trump is both RATIONAL and REAL. It is rational based on his previous conduct and the hate speech he spews.
In a later edition of the book which analyzed Trump's mental disabilities, the health care professionals noted that after Trump was elected in 2016, visits to therapists skyrocketed because people, mainly women, were very fearful of what Trump would do to them. Turns out they were right - they lost some of their freedom.
I can't imagine the number of visits these analysts are getting now!Oh gawd . . . The mental image . . . Cred riding Trump like a jockey. In jockey colors (brilliant & shiny silver and blue). His nib held high, like a quill driving down towards a huge caricatured orange butt. Get it out, get it out.
No, wait, he said he'd be riding Pres. Trump's caboose. I can see it now. Cred in full striped-cloth engineer garb, complete with hat, blue neckerchief and oily pocket rag, hunched over riding that caboose (like we've all seen the adult 'engineers' do at kids' amusement parks) with his quill a breaker bar jabbing down at the couplings. That's better, the jockey one was a little freaky.
GA ;-)Yeah....
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That's two of the three mental images you can come up with
Snarky, still are we? Let your imagination run free.
There is a hot poker waiting for his bum the very moment he gets out line, none of this is anatomical, literal but figurative only.Get it right, bud. That wasn't snark; it was comedic satire (or so I claim). Snark is adversarial, but my satire was fun.
*I bet your favorite was the first one.
GA ;-)Have you not been adversarial in most our debates?
Comedic satire? So, you claim.....Sure I have, and will probably continue to do so. You leave too many open doors in your wanderings. But it isn't always adversarial, like now. Look how much fun we're having with your "caboose" comment (whew! talk about open doors).
Yes, comedic satire. I feel like it was funny and satirical. And you have to respect how I feel. ;-)
So let's get back to the ride; jockey or engineer?
GALet's face it, you are ruby red at heart. The reality is that you are either blue or red and there is not much room for blending, not really from what this forum has shown me. Another backhanded slap against my criticizing Trump? Well, there is a lot more coming and I guess many more "open doors" as well.
I acknowledge how you feel, but respect is something else.
Yeah, but again I asked for it by leaving a door for all sorts of unwanted guests.It was fun for a while. There were no barbs or criticisms intended. The images were drawn from recollections of your past self-descriptions. And I didn't even hint at Ken's suggested 3rd image.
However, your disapproval should at least be aimed at something real. Without scrolling to check, I bet you can't point to any criticisms of your criticisms of Trump in any of my comments. You won't even find a 'between-the-lines' unspoken code message. There were no 'backhanded slaps'.
You only 'read' that because you wanted to. You would also be more correct if you said there is only red & blue, with no middle ground for you. I think it's baloney, but it's no skin off my nose for you to think so.
And then . . . respect was never an inference in my comments. You already had it, even on the nutty parts, so I don't see why you felt the need to read so much negativity into comments edited to be sure there was none.
Oh well, I did hold out hope, right to the very last. I didn't know I was an unwanted guest.
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GA
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. . . *gotcha!*Ok, but you've done better memes and barbs before, this one was a bit off color for me and disturbing, missing the humor.
But, if you have to know, it would be an "engineer"Let's finish with this: I understand you didn't get the same 'mental image' and thought you were being made fun of. My thoughts (about the "image") were laughing with you, not at you.
Come on bud, if you can't make fun of your friends' gaffes, what are they good for?
Wait! Don't jump on the "gaffe" thing, let me jog your memory.
Years ago we were in a discussion about resisting Pres. Trump (this was during Trump's first term), and you said something about your pen being your sword and your 'loins were girded' for the fight. Those were fertile seeds. ;-)
GA
That is the way it works for the Progressive Left... Democrats... thankfully that messaging is doubling down, from what I saw of the MSNBC rants the NYTimes articles and here in the Forums...
So... if Trump is legit... if he lets RFK Jr. and Gabbard and the rest do what needs to be done... and America begins moving in the right direction again... that attitude you espouse will ensure that we really do see a landslide in 2028, it will make this election look like it was close in comparison.
Your side doesn't want to compromise... it wants to fight until it gets everything it wants.
You will continue to label people racists, misogynists, etc. ... keep doing what you are doing, the majority of the country is sick of it, and that majority will continue to grow.As far as labels go . . . yours would be 'Denial.'
Ken's "What if?" has been on my mind since the election. I would guess that it is also, now, on the minds of a significant segement of Trump voters. I think the election analysises (by all the media) illustrates that point.
All the talking heads noted that it was small increases (2020 as a baseline) in many segments for Trump and small to serious decreases in Democrat support, in several segments, for Harris. The details of specific stats and deep study aren't needed to understand that message.
Even the folks that held out to the last minute because they couldn't vote for Trump, ended up deciding they couldn't vote for Harris. Surely you don't include all those folks as stupid and brainwashed too? What about the Dems that didn't vote for Harris, could they have been thinking about Ken's 'What if?'
Ken's description is mostly spot on and your dismissal of it is denial. The proof is in the election results. You would have been parading them as proof of your 'rightness' if Harris had won, but since she didn't it was because of "reversal and projection."
Geesh.
GA
I agree. There is a clear disconnect from understanding what concerns most Americans, and it may be time to acknowledge that the ideologies of the left do not align with the majority's views. If even Bernie Sanders came to recognize this, then it should be comprehensible to most.
Well... Over 71 million people voted for Harris. So there's that. And by no means do all those folks share the same views or "ideologies". It seems as though maga generally prefers to refer to itself as a monolith but I don't subscribe to similar thought when I look at the Democratic party. There's a lot of diversity.
It should be...
But so long as MSNBC still espouses the radical extremist views they do...
And so long as the likes of the NYTimes propagates lies as facts that the 'establishment' stooges feed them...
And so long as there are many regular folks willing to see Trump (and any supporters) as Credence and Eso do, as enemies that must be defeated, never listened to, never given any compromise...
Personally I think it is a good thing... they will continue to push as they have and come across as the extremists they are... they have long been calling Trump and his supporters Nazis and Racists and Sexists...
The more people who are clearly NOT those things... like Tulsi Gabbard and RFK Jr that joins with Trump in this effort... the more foolish and detached such rhetoric will appear to the majority of Americans."But so long as MSNBC still espouses the radical extremist views they do...
And so long as the likes of the NYTimes propagates lies as facts that the 'establishment' stooges feed them..."
This makes sense, but what’s even more telling is the election results and the poor ratings these propaganda machines are getting—they’re clearly badly weakened. I truly believe a big change is coming for these outlets. They’re losing revenue, and it’s possible they’ll either be forced to stop spreading lies or face a reckoning that could make them find new careers. The public’s frustration is evident, and I think it’s only a matter of time before these networks are held accountable for their role in shaping a misleading narrative.
"And so long as there are many regular folks willing to see Trump (and any supporters) as Credence and Eso do, as enemies that must be defeated, never listened to, never given any compromise..."
Ken, I’m not sure if you spend much time on social media, but I’ve noticed a significant shift among some hardcore never-Trumpers giving up on the fight. I've been saying this for about six months now. Many have looked in the mirror and not liked what they see— Trump didn’t just win with his base. Yes, there will always be Trump haters, but if Trump does well perhaps those who’ve been so resistant will also take a look in the mirror and reconsider their stance. It’s clear that the dynamics are shifting, and more people are starting to question their previous positions.
I also agree it's not all that bad to have some hold out with all the crazy, could not hurt.
The better Trump will cause the stragglers to drift off with tails between their legs."And so long as there are many regular folks willing to see Trump (and any supporters) as Credence and Eso do, as enemies that must be defeated, never listened to, never given any compromise..."
I have never seen the Right compromise, they will take it all now that there is the opportunity. But it will not come without national strife and turmoil, the dust will never settle. Trump can expect a tack in his seat every time he sits or live in fear that there may be one there even when there isn't. Was I not correct on my last wager that Trump would win? Then he will have an excuse to release his jackbooted Storm Trumpers to silence the dissent. That is what I will wait for, as any tyrants' first move.
"Personally I think it is a good thing... they will continue to push as they have and come across as the extremists they are... they have long been calling Trump and his supporters Nazis and Racists and Sexists..".
So, am I an extremist? Trump's past record in regards to what I have against him are documented and cannot be denied. Gabbard and RFK Jr. are kooks denied by the rank and file of Democrats whom I support. Anyone who supports Trump is in one way or another part of those THINGS, or otherwise have no issues with those who do.I think you have become extremist in your outlook...
I also believe you have earned every right to express your beliefs and demand that they be heard, here, or elsewhere.
That others may disagree with some of them, does not make them automatically evil, or racist, or whatever...
Your side right now is doubling down on pushing an insane perspective... from what I have seen from clips of MSNBC and various articles I have seen written from the likes of the NYTimes.
It would be funny if there were not so many unbalanced people pushing so many insane perspectives and ideas... like poisoning, murdering, others... and we are not just talking TikTok'ers... what the talking heads on MSNBC have been spouting is just as deranged...
Not for criminals who have raped and murdered... not for endless wars... but against people who voted... for Trump.Should I not be alarmed, Ken?
Trump Says,
“I think the bigger problem are the people from within. We have some very bad people. We have some sick people. Radical left lunatics,” Trump said told Fox News’ Maria Bartiromo in an interview on “Sunday Morning Futures.”
Or
“I think it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by National These are bad people. We have a lot of bad people. But when you look at ‘Shifty Schiff’ and some of the others, yeah, they are, to me, the enemy from within,” Trump said in an interview on Fox News’ “MediaBuzz” that aired Sunday.Guard, or if really necessary, by the military, because they can’t let that happen,” he added.
So, a sitting member of congress classifies as one of the enemy within?
Or
And Trump’s complaints are clearly about content. In January 2023, he wrote on Truth Social that “FAKE NEWS SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO ‘STINK UP’ OUR AIRWAVES!” In October 2023, he asked why CBS should “get free public airwaves” for a “highly partisan” episode of “60 Minutes.” In July of this year, he scolded Fox News, writing, “STOP PUTTING ON THE ENEMY!”
What Presidential candidate has ever had the gall to threaten a free press? Just who does he think that he is?
He will follow the rightwing PRoject 2025 like a grade school primer. As a 999 page cookbook for tyranny and authoritarianism, did you not think that all those right wing bobble heads created it just to have it ignored? It is their bible and I suspect that they will deploy it, and being the tyrant that he is, Trump will follow its prescriptions to the letter.
Trump will also lie, and I will bet you on this. You say the Left won't compromise? Watch a Republican congress vote in a national abortion ban, all that States Rights stuff Trumps talks about is bullsh!t. He would sign it as soon as it comes to his desk. Yes, he will protect women whether they want it or not.
There has been no greater threat to our current system, so yes, to resist this man, I am extreme. Regardless of your attempt to spin your way out of it, the man is an unhinged dope in my opinionAs to the above quoted... I 100% agree...
I think it is sick to allow men to compete with women and share their showers and bathrooms.
I think it is sick to give children hormone blockers or sex changes.
This is your side advocating and supporting these things...
Its your side that has the Cheney family with it now....
Its your side pushing for WWIII... Biden has refused to talk to Putin...
Its your side funding all sides of the conflicts raging in the Middle East...
So... we have what your guys are doing and have been doing...
Vs. what you claim Trump will do once in power.
Well... hard to imagine anyone doing more harm and putting us closer to Nuclear War than we have been these past couple years...How about turning off the pilot on your gaslighting, Ken?
https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-go … 63864.html
The issues Trump took over Schiff has nothing to do with bathrooms.
Your "stable genius" is going to end all the "Democrat wars", yeah. He will fold up before Putin like a law chair.
I am of the opinion what you say is bad now will be worse under Trump and I will wager you on that.
When things start escalating everywhere once Trump is in charge, I am going to call you out on it.
Oh, so WIlderness' comment wasn't mind reading?
How many people has Trump hired that he fired or forced out? I am just playing the odds and Trump's history. He already has said he doesn't like Wrey.
Seems to me you are the one who is very biased not me. I use history, facts, and logic to form my opinions. What do you use?
It's a forum though? I would think that if any members don't want to participate in conversation or debate, it's really easy to leave the forum.
Prove your statement "At least Biden's FBI will go looking. Trump's FBI will simply ignore it."
Looks like you think you're a mind reader. You seem pretty bitter. Many of us predicted Trump's win and highlighted the real issues that the general public was facing. Meanwhile, you kept defending Biden's administration and his positions. It’s clear now that you’re in the minority, and your views have been placed in the category of a minority mindset. Perhaps become more open to other's views.As soon as Wilderness proves "Well, we can all hope that Biden's FBI will find the perps and, in typical liberal fashion, slap their wrists and turn them loose."
or the others on this forum who make wild unsupported accusations prove theirs. They have been asked many times and all we get are crickets.
The Biden administration will go down as one of the most successful single term presidency in history. When history looks at it, all the right-wing bias will be removed and the Truth that people like Island Bites, Credence, Valeant, Willowarbor, and many others see is that:
* Like Bush left Obama, Trump left Biden an economy in shambles.
* Biden worked hard and was mostly successful in keeping people alive from Covid while Trump and your side battled him the whole time.
* That Biden built up a very sustainable economy from the rubble he was left.
* That he successfully battled inflation with historians will pin on the pandemic, its rightful place, and not Biden as the Right lies about
* They will report on how successful Biden was in battling through the hate from MAGA and the BDS that is rampant among any Trump supporter to get a whole host of mostly bipartisan bills past that addressed the economic problems Trump left him.
* They will note that Biden past a wonderful bi-partisan Infrastructure bill which Trump, although promised, FAILED to do.
* They will see how Biden brought jobs back big time through the Infrastructure and CHIPS act.
* They will see how Biden protected a citizenry in still crisis from the pandemic with the American Rescue Plan while some on the right would rather have had Americans continue to suffer. Ironically, Trump did the same thing, only bigger yet the Right won't even talk about that for fear of being blamed for inflation.
* They will report on Biden reducing health care costs through his various initiatives that capped the cost of insulin for seniors at $35 as part of the wide ranging and successful Inflation Reduction Act.
GOT TO GO TO A MOVIE. There is so much more to write so I will pick it back up later.Save your energy. Biden has nearly completed his term, and continuing to dwell on him is like beating a dead horse. I’ve already criticized his mistakes thoroughly. As for what Trump would do when sworn in, neither you nor I can predict that with certainty. He was certainly a law-and-order president and supported law enforcement. However, his oversight of the FBI left much to be desired, and he bears responsibility for underestimating its issues. The FBI was not honest when they buried the Hunter Biden laptop story, which further undermines trust. Whether Trump learned from those past mistakes is unknown, but I suspect Wray’s tenure would end. When you say, "Trump's FBI will simply ignore it," it reads as a definitive statement, but it’s more of a prediction.
On the topic of the Biden administration being viewed as one of the most successful single-term presidencies, that is subjective. Supporters like Island Bites, Credence, Valeant, and Willowarbor are entitled to their views, and their beliefs regarding Biden. Myself, I feel history will show he was a poor president on some issues, and perhaps more favorable on others. I am not sure you should speak for others regarding their perspectives. But, have at it.
That said, it’s worth considering that more Americans felt Trump would be more effective than Harris, and we’ll never know what would have happened had Biden remained in the race. The majority has spoken, and it’s essential to respect that. If he has failures there will be time to point them out in real time.
It seems you show little respect for the will of the majority and, by extension, our democracy. While it’s fair to point out real-time issues, predicting failure is speculative at best. What will your response be if he succeeds and fulfills the promises entrusted to him by the people’s mandate?
Is it wise to believe one perspective outweighs that of the majority? You, often revisit the past, making comparisons that no longer hold relevance. Perhaps it would be more valuable to reflect on why the party lost despite massive spending, one billion dollars! What lessons can be drawn from the loss?"As for what Trump would do if re-elected, neither you nor I can predict that with certainty."
He has made a load of promises.. has no one heard them?? His intentions are clear unless people think he's lying.Yes, unfounded and very partisan criticism that was mostly untrue.
What is "subjective" is your opinion that my facts are "subjective". BTW, Where is your proof my claims about Biden are false?
I may not be able to predict with certainty, and neither can you, I can easily use Trump's past actions and words and his current action words provides ample fodder to make Very Educated conclusions as to what he might do.
You are quite right, a majority (for the moment) of Americans voted for Trump. (50.4% at the moment but shrinking as more votes come in. Chances are good that Trump ends up with just a plurality)
As to respect for the so-called "will of the majority" or plurality - those who voted for Trump break down into several groups.
* You have those that like Trump and voted for him because he represents their nativist, racist values. The fact that he is a criminal doesn't phase them because they respect it. Well, no, I don't respect them.
* You have most of MAGA with I claim, for good reason which I have provided support several times in the past, they are essentially brainwashed as any Cult member is. It boils down to "they no not what they do". Those people I have pity for and hope someday the fog lifts from their brains and the neural pathways that Trump changed go back to normal. That generally happens only after some sort of intervention or trauma.
* You have the group of voters who don't really know who Trump is but love his machismo and his false promises of a better economy. They will come around when Trump's economy goes south, assuming he implements the policies he says he will. I understand those voters and feel sorry for them.
I am deeply disheartened that hate and harassment seem to be making a resurgence in our culture. First racist text messages aimed at black children and young adults and now a firestorm of misogyny has taken hold of various social media.
In the past 24 hours (November 8), there has been a 4,600% increase in mentions of the terms “your body, my choice” and “get back in the kitchen” on X.
Female social media users are reporting that accounts are commenting “your body, my choice” en masse on their posts.
On Facebook, the phrase “your body, my choice” is currently trending, with 52,000 posts in the last 24 hours.
On Reddit, users utilized the platform to warn others of offline harassment. One user stated, “Women were being harassed today at UNM and told to ‘go home where they belong’ by groups of men in MAGA gear.”
In some instances, women influencers that cater to “traditional values” joined male counterparts. Their content included videos of women upset by the election loss of Harris, referring to them as “retards;”
Previous calls to repeal the 19th Amendment, which previously spiked on X on October 22, resurfaced online. Posts calling for the repeal of the amendment increased by 663 percent compared with the week prior.
influencer Andrew Tate, in a post on X on November 7, stated: “I saw a woman crossing the road today but I just kept my foot down. Right of way? You no longer have rights.” The post received 688,000 views in under two hours. Another X user, stated: “women threatening sex strikes like LMAO as if you have a say”; the post has received 10 million views.
I think what is most deeply disturbing, at least for me, is that this trend has hit children. Specifically into schools. Young girls and parents have used social media to share instances of offline harassment. They include the phrase being directed at them within schools or chanted by young boys in classes. As young as 12 harassing their female classmates.
I'm horrifically saddened by all of the emboldened men on social media right now. Seeing threats like this and 'Your body, MY choice' over and over on posts... We're slipping backward. What are we going to do about this?
https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispa … ds-online/I copied this from a post I just made on the Presidential Election forum since it fits here as well;
With any luck this "4B" movement will take hold in America. This movement started in South Korea in reaction to male making women subservient in that society. What is "4B" you ask? It is a movement where women basically swear off men. They won't marry them, have sex with them, date them, or have children with them. These women are sick and tired of having men tell them how to run their lives.
To understand this, we need a little history.
Fast forward to America. Like with Blacks, America has a very long history of keeping women subservient - for as long as America has been around. Only in the PROGRESSIVE State of New Jersey were women allowed to own property (if they were single), divorce, and vote. That disappeared in 1807 due to what would be called Conservatives today led revolt claiming there were voter fraud issues and the fear women were being manipulated.
Over the next 200 years, women fought for (with the help of some liberal oriented men) and gained basic human rights. That culminated in 1964 *civil rights), 1965 (voting rights), and 1973 (right to privacy and controlling their own bodies).
Ever since those decisions social Conservatives have campaigned to take those rights away, slowly chipping away at things like protection from abusive husbands and the right to sue for discrimination in federal courts. The straw, as it were, that set off this movement was when social Conservatives finally got their way with the Dobbs decision which put control over women's bodies back in the hands of Conservative legislators (ironically, many of them women).
And women in America have a bleak future given that the three liberal justices on the Court are old so Trump will probably have the opportunity to appoint even more young, socially Conservative Justices to the bench cementing in the oppression of women for years, decades to come. Even if the older Conservative Justices leave the bench, Trump will just appoint younger ones; and with the far-right controlled Senate, those appoints will fly through. Can you blame them?
This "4B" movement might be the last chance women have to become equal with men again.
The question is: can women who join this movement be able to keep their commitment. The urge to have sex, have children, and to have a mate is very strong. I wish them the best.
One word of warning (several, actually) is joining the "4B" movement can be dangerous (sort of proving the point) as this anecdote reflects:
"Abby K., a 27-year-old from Florida, recently broke up with her boyfriend over dismissive comments he made about Trump’s history of sexual abuse. When she posted a video about that and her decision to join the 4B movement, she says men flooded her DMs with death threats and hateful comments about her appearance."
On a personal note, while I sympathize with and support their view, as a liberal man I feel bad about being lumped in with the social Conservatives who are at war with women. But, it is their life and wellbeing they are fighting for.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/09/us/4b-mo … index.htmlWomen should punish MAGA men socially and culturally, since these men obviously missed the political message. No dates, no intereaction, no nothing for the neanderthol, let frigidity reign. Be celibate and present a less social persona before them.
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Yeah... that's funny stuff..,
Saw a lot of that... "I'm deleting all my dating aps" ....
No easy f-them and forget them dates for the chads out there...
Well, one might say it is at the bullying stage or psychological abuse. The question is will it be progressive leading to physical abuse, to violence, followed by sexual assaults, and then leap to rape. A simple Google University search brought up article after article on the new trend, I see. Is it a fad?
I think you’re spot on—this could definitely be called bullying. As someone who navigates social media regularly, I can attest that the issue is mutual. The insults, threats, and genuinely frightening attacks come from both sides. With X embracing free speech, people can push the boundaries of what’s acceptable. On this topic, it’s only fair and wise to acknowledge that the problem exists on both sides. Trusting platforms like Google for a complete picture can be misleading; a quick scroll through social sites reveals what’s really happening. I have even been personally attacked with vile rhetoric. It’s shocking to see how the new president and his supporters are being vilified and subjected to some of the most offensive insults.
I can agree with Willow, "I'm horrifically saddened by all of the emboldened men on social media right now." The threats I have received as a Trump supporter are from both men and women.Is that the same both sides as was in Charlottesville? That there are good Nazi's?
It it is a shame people resort to false equivalencies to justify things. As I see it, saying both sides are doing equivalent things puts murderers on the same level as jay-walkers (where did that term ever come from?). They are both law breakers, after all.I shared my perspective, and I don't see any reason for you to insult it. In fact, I took great care in crafting my response to Tim.
Why do you feel justified in accusing me of using false equivalents? It seems you believe your view is always right, but that’s not how I see it. Have fun with that. It's obvious you're upset that Trump won, but the fact remains that he did.Where did I insult you? I simply asked a question and shard my thoughts about false equivalencies.
Couldn't agree more and they have a great role model in Trump.
The question should be... will the FBI put a stop to it... OR ... is the FBI helping propagate it and stir dissent?
It is simple, IMO, pre-2nd Trump, Stop. post-2nd Trump Propagate.
Is Lynching back?
Dennoriss Richardson, 39, was found hanging in an abandoned house in Colbert County, AL. The local authorities quickly ruled it a suicide, but his wife disagrees. I think she is thinking the local police lynched him in retaliation for a lawsuit he filed against them. The local sheriff, to his credit, asked the FBI to investigate.
Richardson's wife pointed out these discrepancies:
* He filed the lawsuit for police brutality.
* He left no note
* He had no connection with the house he was found in
Colbert County has a long history with lynching Blacks. There were 359 recorded lynchings in Alabama between1877 and 1943 and 11 of them were in that county .
https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/02/us/alaba … index.htmlOn the topic of the 2024 vote an interesting article provides great information and an analysis.
The numbers behind the vote for president by Investigative Post (Nov 10, 2024)
Yes, Trump won, thanks largely because of white male voters. But the shift to the right isn't as seismic as some portray when you consider that nearly four in 10 adults didn't cast a ballot. Apathy and disaffection are prevalent."
https://www.investigativepost.org/2024/ … president/
A question: Why the perceived apathy this election cycle of 2024?
"For starters, fewer people voted this year (145 million) than four years ago (158.5 million) despite an estimated growth of 8 million age-eligible citizens. The turnout of registered voters also dropped slightly from four years ago.
This helps to explain why Donald Trump won with fewer votes this year (73.6 million) than he garnered in losing (74.2 million) four years ago. He won because Harris received far fewer votes (69.3 million) than Biden (81.3 million) did four years ago.
Put another way: Trump did not grow his base. Harris lost a chunk of Biden’s."
And . . .
Let’s take a look at the demographics of this year’s vote, based on exit polls reported by The Washington Post.
** Men preferred Trump 55 to 42 percent.
** Women favored Harris 53 to 45 percent.
** Whites voted Trump 57 to 41 percent.
** Harris captured 85 percent of the Black vote.
** Hispanics/Latinos favored Harris 52 to 46 percent.
** Asians supported Harris 54 to 39 percent.
** College graduates favored Harris over Trump, 55 to 42 percent.
** Voters without a college degree voted 56 to 42 percent in favor of Trump.
** Harris fared best among younger voters (ages 18 to 29), winning by a margin of 54 to 43 percent.
** Trump did best with middle-age voters (45-64) by 54 to 44 percent for Harris.
** Not many Republicans or self-described conservatives crossed over to vote for Harris (5 percent Republican, 9 percent conservative).
** Independents and those professing third-party affiliations were about evenly divided, with 49 percent voting for Harris and 46 percent for Trump.
Another source I have been playing with of late is the NBC exit polls sharing information with simple graphics. They reflect the same as above.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-e … exit-polls"Put another way: Trump did not grow his base. Harris lost a chunk of Biden’s."
Yep. Hit the nail on the head. Too many folks stayed home.How true, with the stakes as high as they have been that so many were apathetic.
Off topic . . . wanted to get this to you. Today, being Veterans Day I tip my hat to you for your service and sacrifice for our nation!
It's just a thought, but what if the problem wasn't apathy, what if it was a perceived lack of choice? What if the missing voters (both sides?) were ones who insisted on voting for someone instead of against someone, would you view them as apathetic?
GAGA, I don't know as the choices has been more stark today than ever before.
Your point is well taken, we lost a lot of Dem votes from our constituencies of Black Males, and Hispanics generally. Harris had the trouble of the Palestinian issue and maybe failing to realize that you cannot attract the extremes on the left side yet still play the middle.
What votes were lost by Republicans were those that did not like or Trump. The Democrats lost because there was more confusion on our side than on theirs.
As one ostracized group really could not in good conscience vote for the other side, this is where we are.
Confused may well be a better term over apathetic.
Or... considering when you look at the election before and after 2020...
And consider that Trump's numbers were about the same now as in 2020...
The anomaly appears to be 2020... and an absurd number of "mail in ballots" that came in after the election was over... and were not properly vetted, verified, nor had secure means of custody...
Ah well... fool America once, shame on you... fool America twice, and I guess the people wouldn't really deserve America, land of the free, would they?
ESO, I thought that you would be interested in watching a 9 minute video outlining red lining and housing discrimination and its far reaching effects. My spouse lived in
East Palo Alto, CA during the early 1990s and could attest to conditions and what was shown in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geD6kYpGlmwDOGE Staffer Resigns Over Racist Posts
A key DOGE staff member who gained access to the Treasury Department’s central-payments system resigned Thursday after past racist posts from his social media accounts resurfaced.
The resignation came after The Wall Street Journal and NPR reported on posts advocating racism, eugenics, and hostility toward Indian software engineers, which had been archived before the account was deleted.
Marko Elez, a 25-year-old was part of a cadre of Elon Musk lieutenants deployed by the Department of Government Efficiency. Elez also worked for Musk's SpaceX, Starlink and X.
The Wall Street Journal reviewed archived posts from the account, including:
"Just for the record, I was racist before it was cool." (July 2024)
"You could not pay me to marry outside of my ethnicity." (September 2024)
"Normalize Indian hate." (September 2024)
"99% of Indian H1Bs will be replaced by slightly smarter LLMs, they’re going back don’t worry guys." (December 2024)
"I would not mind at all if Gaza and Israel were both wiped off the face of the Earth." (June 2024)
"I just want a eugenic immigration policy, is that too much to ask." (December 2024)
Openly, publicly and not even a month ago.
Disgusting. Racist and most likey inexperienced as well.
"Six engineers between the ages of 19 and 24 are at the center of Musk's DOGE team, according to a new WIRED report. The outlet reports that the young men have little to no government experience..."
Yep, makes me feel real comfortable with them rooting around in our private info...They are disgusting. All of them.
Musk asks X if he should rehire DOGE staffer under fire for racist posts
Tech billionaire Elon Musk took to his social media platform X to ask users if he should rehire one of his deputies who resigned Thursday after racist social media posts of his resurfaced.
“Bring back @DOGE staffer who made inappropriate statements via a now deleted pseudonym?” Musk wrote Friday morning on X , attached to a poll asking users to answer “Yes” or “No.”
As of 10:30 a.m. EST Friday, the post had nearly 2.9 million views and more than 232,000 votes. More than 80 percent of users who answered selected “yes.”
Vance: Bring back DOGE staffer who resigned after racist posts surfaced
Vice President Vance on Friday argued that the Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) staffer who resigned after social media posts of his came to light that espoused racist beliefs should be hired back.
Vance, in speaking out about the issue, said that social media posts shouldn’t be the reason he is fired, calling the 25-year-old aide to DOGE head Elon Musk a “kid.”
“Here’s my view: I obviously disagree with some of Elez’s posts, but I don’t think stupid social media activity should ruin a kid’s life,” the vice president said on social platform X, referring to the staffer Marko Elez. “We shouldn’t reward journalists who try to destroy people. Ever. So I say bring him back.”
“If he’s a bad dude or a terrible member of the team, fire him for that,” he added.
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